Back To Benghazi

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[Peter]

h/t appalled for this thread

[Appalled]

Thanks for the plug...

[Captain Hate]

The Repuke party at its most inept.

[Appalled]

Captain:

Senators seem unable to ask questions. They feel like they have to make statements in these hearings. Which is actually great for the witnesses. If someone like Senator Paul is going to fry his five minutes blovating for the Nightly News (and I picked him for a reason -- his statement was posturing, and his question was goofy), he's going to lose the opportunity to ask, for example, whether Hillary had advised the President to call in the military.

[Captain Hate]

Appalled, it was a complete failure of leadership by McConnell (whom I usually support but not here) and Boehner to get those dunces in line for this. This was an opportunity to get to the bottom of a failed policy and abdication of responsibility with fatal consequences which was entirely squandered.

[Clarice]

When she said "What difference does it make?" and they didn't slam that back at her, you know they are not the persons to handle interrogations. I don't know what they a re good at except pandering to get elected, but there you are..dunces to the right of us, dunces to the left...

[Captain Hate]

It was very infuriating, Clarice; I've been depressed since it ended.

[narciso]

'Well Madam Secretary, we know that's no good enough, we returned Bin Qumu, to Tripoli, on the condition he would not be released, he subsequently was, and is one of the suspects on Benghazi'

Now knowing that it alleged he has connections with the Syrian Islamists, that is not a sufficient answer.

The Post's cover, not surprisingly missed the point, it's not about her rage, it;s about 'How dare he use these men's deaths as a shield

[Peter]

Clarice, any run of the mill trial attorney or low level assistant d.a. could have done a better job of questioning. Hell, college freshmen enrolled in mock trial competitions could do a better cross.

[Rob Crawford]

I wonder if the infuriating deference to Hillary comes from the knowledge she's seen all of their FBI files...

[Clarice]

No--they are AFRAID of her because she is beloved by the press and the LIVs and she can lie with a straight face from now to eternity and they are too lazy to call her to account.

[narciso]

Well one wonders, Rob, one recalls that famous drug case, down here, that sort of inspired the book, 'Strip Tease' well it turns out the drug kingpins had bribed the jury, and killed off at least one witness, in order to secure the hung jury, and the US Atty (who had no prosecutorial experience when Clinton picked him) to have his nervous breakdown,

[Rob Crawford]

Don't exclude the possibility of both being true. She could always go with the Harry Reid "someone told me" tactic: "well, you didn't hear it from ME, but so-and-so's associations with such-and-such-group certainly got some notice from the FBI!"

The press would run with it harder than they did Reid's BS.

[Rob Crawford]

"Today, sources familiar with so-and-so's FBI file have told us that he has been closely linked with the controversial militant group blah-blah..."

[narciso]

You know how the news crawl at the bottom of the page, often gives you the important information,

well at several points, it showed that her campaign debt was all paid up, as of today,

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

I am discouraged that the only way Hillary can be kept out of the White House is for His Excellency to get in his head that His reign can be extended by the election of HRH Michelle.

[bgates]

I saw firsthand what Ambassador Pickering and former Chairman Mullen called timely and exceptional coordination: no delays in decision-making, no denials of support from Washington or from our military....But the specific security requests pertaining to Benghazi, you know, were handled by the security professionals in the department. I didn't see those requests.

She saw firsthand that there were no denials of the requests that she didn't see.

Admiral Mullen goes on, "it is not reasonable nor feasible to tether U.S. forces at the ready to respond to protect every high-risk post in the world"

Hillary can't be responsible for every under-capitalized small business in America, or every under-defended small outpost of America.

[centralcal]

I saw some Tweets to that effect too, Narciso - saying Obama paid off the remainder of HRC's campaign debts.

[narciso]

I remember that first remark, bgates, it showed even then their goal was to lead to single payer,

[narciso]

Just another example;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/algeria/9813567/Algeria-hostage-crisis-Was-one-of-the-al-Qaeda-terrorists-freed-from-British-custody.html

[MarkO]

On the issue of DOOM, we certainly seem to be leaderless at the moment. Even Dr. K suggests the best bet is to let Obama run his course. That was apparently Duke's strategy last night.

I'm disheartened by the listlessness and ineffectiveness of our "opposition."

[narciso]

And I don't quite get this,

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/23/family-texas-man-killed-in-hostage-crisis-slams-algerian-military-response/?test=latestnews

The words you are looking for are 'ruina & perdicion' English is sometimes not evocative enough,

[narciso]

It seems it's a boom business, so to speak;

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/world/africa/faction-splits-from-islamist-group-in-northern-mali.html?ref=alqaeda&gwh=2FE1949AB455D9C895BC696A3516EAE3

[Captain Hate]

That was apparently Duke's strategy last night.

Miami's a good team; much better than the NC State bunch that the "experts" rated highly. You should have easy pickings on Saturday.

[narciso]

The good Doc is a Spenglerian sort, remember he looked down on the Tea Party, which was the only real resistance to the Obama agenda

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

If Biden and Hillary run for the nomination in 4 years they will both be very old for the job.

Next to a Ryan or Rubio that may not be a good thing.

[NK]

Reporting in The Hill based on a Repub group transcript: I think Boehner is far more realistic and than commenters here:

"We’re going to have to make some big decisions about how we as a party take on this challenge. Where’s the ground that we fight on? Where’s the ground that we retreat on? Where are the smart fights? Where are the dumb fights that we have to stay away from? We’ve got a lot of big decisions to make.”

House Republicans backed away from a showdown with Obama over the debt-ceiling on Wednesday, passing legislation that suspends the cap on government borrowing through May 18.

That’s part of a new strategy from House Republicans to embrace a minority posture in the face of Obama’s reelection. Rather than trying to force measures through the Democratic-led Senate, House GOP leaders are looking to achieve modest victories while serving as a check on Obama’s agenda. BTW-- BarryI paying off Lady Clinton for taking the Benghazi hit-- just one more example of Dem Party gangsterism:

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/278881-boehner-obamas-goal-is-to-annihilate-the-gop#ixzz2Iv0m8jLO
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[Captain Hate]

I think Boehner is far more realistic and than commenters here:

Really? Poor Boehner that anybody expects him to do his job as a Majority Leader. It looks like he's setting really low expectations which dovetail very well into what I expect from him. When the donks are in a minority position it sure doesn't shut them up or get them retreating to their Amy Vanderbilt/Emily Post guide books on accepting their lot in life graciously.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

I don't see any way for the house GOP to use the debt ceiling to any significant advantage.

[narciso]

We've learned to keep our expectations about S. Florida teams low, not to be dissapointed.

[Threadkiller]

I put this in the wrong thread:

Screw Boehner.

Mr. Speaker: The House is poised to pass HR 325. I respect the sincerity of its supporters, but I must firmly dissent.

This bill accommodates spending at ruinous levels far beyond the limits set by the House budget. It sets a terrible precedent by abolishing the debt limit for nearly four months, giving an unlimited credit card to this administration.

I think members will be stunned by the borrowing that this moratorium makes possible – certainly thousands of dollars of new debt heaped on every household in America.

House Republicans have passed two budget plans that put our nation back on a path to fiscal solvency. If the debt limit were increased within that trajectory at two month intervals, it would require only small and incremental reforms each time. That would both avert default now and the fiscal crisis that we are fast approaching. I believe that is achievable and far preferable to the bill to be voted on today.

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/01/debt-limit-hr-325-carte-blanche-credit.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvwF551l_gI

[Captain Hate]

You can make all the excuses for Boehner you want but he embarrassed himself by floating a Plan B when he didn't even have the votes for it. What type of effective leader does that?

[narciso]

Delusion, seems to be the order of the day;

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8871864/manti-teo-acknowledges-lying-first-tv-interview

[derwill]

--I don't see any way for the house GOP to use the debt ceiling to any significant advantage.--

There is a small advantage, I think, in passing these short term suspensions of the cap vs. capitulating completely and doing away with the debt ceiling entirely, which is what Obama wants, in that it forces the Dems to constantly revisit the issue of our massive debt and runaway spending. The polls do show that the voters are concerned about the debt and spending--they just want the other guy's gravy train cut off and not their own. Make the Dems keep defending over and over a position that isn't particularly popular, at least in the abstract.

[narciso]

You weren't kidding, Clarice, get the Ipecac stat;

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2013/01/24/washposts-gearan-forcefully-defends-hillary-clinton-gushy-front-pager-

[Captain Hate]

Delusion, seems to be the order of the day

My only interest in that story is that the World's Leader in Sports Entertainment Broadcasting loses all credibility.

[narciso]

The Jimmy Stewart reference in the box, on that link, reminds of Harvey 'the six foot high invisible rabbit'

[bgates]

Score one for the melting pot in that weird football story, though. A Samoan Hawaiian Mormon kid goes to Notre Dame, and the world sees pictures of his girlfriend Lennay Kekua who is actually named Diane O'Meara.

[narciso]

'Only in America' bgates

[Frau Nase voll]

If Lady Hillary! had work done on her face, she should ask for a refund.

[centralcal]

LOL! I agree completely, Frau!

[narciso]

Yes, it was a great move to have her oversee he debate;

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2013/01/24/abcs-martha-raddatz-extolls-combative-charming-disarming-hillary-cli

[NK]

Derwil@2:02-- I agree with that. That is the reality of only controlling the House. keep bad things from happening i.e Feinstein's GUNZ law, DON't raise the Debt Limit,wait for the recession and/or debt bomb to go off (sooner than later) -- then, persuadable voters will take it out on the Donks in 2014. That's the reality right now.

[jimmyk]

I keep wanting to put Hillary's "What difference does it make?" together with her old "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies" line. There's a certain continuity of character there.

[cathyf]

I don't see any way for the house GOP to use the debt ceiling to any significant advantage.

Bullshit. And this time rather than money limit is an extraordinary change in the status quo. When Congress increases the debt limit by XYZ dollars it means that the debt can only go up by that amount. And it provides a very strong incentive in the right direction -- if the congresscritters don't spend money on X, then they can spend money on Y without having to go through a debt limit fight.

Think of it like giving your completely irresponsible teenager a credit card. If the credit card has a credit limit on it, there is only so much trouble the kid can rack up until he hits the limit. As opposed to a card with no credit limit, where the kid will fall all over himself wasting money as fast as he can.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

There's a certain continuity of character there.

All I could think of is "Rose Law Firm" during her entire testimony.

[maryrose]

cathyf:
You are right asusual.
Jane: I thought that also. Hil has a history of lying and having to defend her larcenous ways. The fact that she doesn't think lying matters is a huge character flaw.
I loved her comment about Not wanting to do the Sunday talk shows.When you have a tragedy of this magnitude IT IS PART OF YOUR JOB!Queen Hillary didn't deign to go out and explain all the screw-ups. She just didn't feel like doing it.
How many people do you know that have constantly been called to a courtroom{Whitewater} been married to an impeached President, and once again ended up in front of Congress testifying because the Department you are in charge of was involved in covering up what happened and totally displaying ineptitude in the field. There is a paatern of deceit and ineptitude here.Don't we have better people than this
Why should her debt from an election be allowed to rot for 4 years?Does it affect her credit rating?

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--I don't see any way for the house GOP to use the debt ceiling to any significant advantage.--

In a different world, with 200+ Republican vertebrates and a fourth estate that didn't function as a fifth column that would not be true.
In this world, it is difficult to see how the spineless schmoes in the GOP facing a Quisling press could do anything besides make Newt's "government shutdown" gambit with Clinton look like strategic genius.

[Manuel Transmission]

Hillary can't be responsible for every under-capitalized small business in America

When Ms. MT heard that 20 yrs ago, she was so infuriated she could have beheaded the bitch on the spot. I think that was the moment that politics suddenly became personal.

[maryrose]

The House of Representatives will live to fight another day. I believe Sequester should be a go.
I know there are military cuts but I want 1.2trillion off the deficit. Cut, Cut, Cut. I also know the dems don't want it so that is my incentive for pushing it forward. I want to hear and see the weeping and the gnashing of their teeth.

[Captain Hate]

Why shouldn't the military suffer spending cuts? The JEF is bugging out of everywhere we have a strategic interest so the money would probably be spent on homo marriage receptions and other enlightened uses.

[narciso]

There are some promises he keeps, and the 'Iowa Peace Pledge' is in that latter group.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

"it forces the Dems to constantly revisit the issue of our massive debt and runaway spending."

Except that they never do. And the GOP can't credibly complain about the level of spending unless they specify how they would reduce it. No method available to them is feasible, and all are anathema to the electorate.

[jimmyk]

the money would probably be spent on homo marriage receptions and other enlightened uses.

Somewhere I read recently that the latest humanitarian crisis that must be solved immediately is that the military doesn't recognize gay marriage, and therefore doesn't provide spousal benefits for its married gay soldiers. (Or I should say, its "gay-married" soldiers, since if they are actually married to someone of the opposite sex, they will get the benefits regardless of their sexual habits.)

In any case, small matters like Benghazi, Mali, Syria, etc. can be pushed off until this grave injustice is rectified.

(And note how one thing leads to another: This only became an issue because DADT was ended. Presumably we will soon have to deal with the rights of cross-dressers and transsexuals in the military as well.)

[narciso]

And that came about because of Lawrence's reversal of Bowers, which Scalia presciently indicated would be the result.

[Janet]

How many people do you know that have constantly been called to a courtroom{Whitewater} been married to an impeached President, and once again ended up in front of Congress testifying because the Department you are in charge of was involved in covering up what happened and totally displaying ineptitude in the field. There is a paatern of deceit and ineptitude here.Don't we have better people than this

Amen!, maryrose. Amen!

[Captain Hate]

And the GOP can't credibly complain about the level of spending unless they specify how they would reduce it.

I know I read in the Weekly Standard a while back, before he was chosen as Romney's VP candidate, that Paul Ryan was working on this with some "moderate Democrats". Whether this became null and void when he became the devil incarnate to the donks because of his VP status or his own party deep sixed it, I haven't heard a peep about it since. But Ryan used to be the point man for the Repubs on this. I have no idea why that's not the case now.

[narciso]

Yes, he was working with Ron Wyden, not a moderate, who on a dime disavowed his own bill, this is par for the course,

[Captain Hate]

Ah, I left out that Pelosi Galore might have started waving the gelding shears and got all the apostates in line.

[narciso]

An overview of where the problem lies;

http://babalublog.com/2013/01/24/sen-rubio-questions-on-americas-role-in-the-world-at-kerry-nomination-hearing/

[bgates]

How much difference does it make?

Woman's been grasping for control of the entire health care field in this country for more than 20 years, and she doesn't think cause of death is important.

[squaredance]

It is not just deceit and ineptitude. It is a thoroughgoing lack of conscience. This is clearly illustrated but her response about what matters. Of course it matters; how could it not?

Under what moral vision could one respond that way? Well, none of course. It is completely preposterous. It is the sort of thing one gets out of both psychopaths and sociopaths. It revolts and disgusts at the must fundamental human level.

She is mired in evil. Her very face shows this, as does her very language, tone and tenor. She does not have a decent, honorable bone in her body.

This is the face of the Democrat Party. This is how low we have sunk: there is no real outrage at all about this. Her performance, comportment and character is actually held up as exemplary, held up as a sign of a "strong woman". It is nothing of the sort; she possess the very lowest of character. The fawning responses to her, much if it coming from GOP members and senators, amounts to a complete and willful rejection of moral and professional responsibility.

When we see how decent, reasonable and competent GOP cabinet members have had their characters repeatedly assaulted, Hillary's performance here is particularly galling.

Truly we have fallen into a dark abyss of collective insanity and immorality.

She is the very essence of the evil wrought by Liberalism and Feminism.

If she becomes POTUS it will be the final nail in the coffin.

[sbwaters]

Lurch and Hillary will fight it out for the nomination and Slo Joe still thinks he's going to get the nod?

[glasater]

I believe Hillary had that angry response wrapped up and in her pocket when Senator Johnson asked the question.
Heck, she may be practicing for '16!

It's pretty ironic that she's so popular with the MSM now when she was anathema in primary '08.

[narciso]

There's no logic to why they think things;

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/24/3199193/benghazi-hearings-remarkably-educational.html

[Clarice]

a, bgates. You still are my super favorite.

[Captain Hate]

I believe Hillary had that angry response wrapped up and in her pocket when Senator Johnson asked the question.
Heck, she may be practicing for '16!

Andrea Tanteros located a tape where she pulled almost the same thing when confronted in the past. I can't remember the particulars because my attention was on other things; but again this speaks poorly of the preparation of the Repubs.

[narciso]

In the early days of the Iraq War, when she turned on a dime, she went on a screeching diatribe, about having the 'right to speak out' or something,

[glasater]

Like Britt Hume said-you can't throw a bunch of questions at her 'cause she can just sit back and take her pick of which one she chooses to answer.

Captain-
Sorry I missed Andrea's sleuthing.

[Boing]

CIA agents are classified. No questions, just statements. Maya sells things...

[Boing]

Speak lies to power!

[mike]

Let's see - 4 dead Americans in Benghazi over a US government screw up.

However, 4000 dead Americans in Iraq over a much bigger US screw up.

And we Republicans wonder why the independents don't like us.