Immigration Plans

ABC News sneak previews Obama's expected immigration plan and compares it to the current bipartisan Senate effort.

Comments

[henry]

sneak preview? you always include the marketing department in a product roll-out.

Apparently the lack of border control is a feature (no bug) to his skeet-shooterness.

[cathyf]

Geez, just posted this off-topic in the other thread:

If we decide to give some sort of amnesty to illegals who are here, why does it have to lead to citizenship? What about a plan which says that illegals can become permanent legal residents -- with the right to work -- but they may never become citizens. Only those immigrants who follow all the laws get to become citizens.

In most of the world, "guest workers" can come, and some can stay indefinitely, but they don't become citizens and they don't get to vote.

[Clarice]

Open borders, generous welfare benefits, free medical care. That'll surely work in fantasy land.

[rse]

I think we should remember on immigration that this Administration wants to use education to foster the sense of grievance and group identity of everyone of these illegal immigrants. It is planning on using schools and later higher ed to community organize around those identities to change the mainstream politically.

Not only is their no interest in assimilation, but integration seeks to dismantle the current majority culture and transform what constitutes the mainstream.

So we are not just talking about a path to citizenship. We are talking about a determined effort to use immigrants to change the nature of the US. If they remain illegal at least they are supposed to not be voting. This way they will officially have the vote after education has nurtured emotional outrage and deliberate false beliefs designed to precipitate political action.

Please do not forget those 10C's; A Model of Diversity Awareness and Social Change is intended to be used in every school. Becoming a core part of each student's filtering mindset as they become an adult.

I actually do not go tiptoeing around looking for something inflammatory to quote. It comes to my attention precisely because it is going into widespread effect.

[Peter]

Great point, rse, a permanent underclass who will need government assistance, aa, and who knows what else? Is this thing going to pass? Say goodbye to our country as we know it.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

Cathy,

That's a great idea - in both threads.

[glasater]

In our part of the country there are Farmworkers Medical Clinics throughout the center of the state. So 'migrant' workers have been getting good health care for many years.

I'm with Cathy's plan but I just don't want these people to vote--period and amen!

[Dave (in MA)]

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[centralcal]

LOL, Dave (in MA) - both Tweets are funny.

[Rick Ballard]

RSE,

Mexican illegals had plenty of exposure to Commie Core prior to leaving Mexico. I wonder if they need any encouragement or training in parasitism at all. Recent indoctrinates in the Commie Core system appear to be receiving quite a bit of reality education and reacting to it as one would expect of excellent Commie Core deadbeats.

Perhaps immigration reform could be postponed until the unemployment rate declines to 5%? Dumping more deadbeats on top of the current crop of parasites seems a bit Cloward-Pivenish. The oligarchs better make good on their gun grab prior to shooting for complete immiseration.

[Dublindave]

This Amnesty bill (pushed by Democrats and a Democratic President) will add millions of new voters to our Democratic base. If Republicans stand in our way the sheer demographic backlash will destroy them.

Damned if you do etc..

[rse]

Rick-yes but they are even less likely to learn to read properly here. And they will be taught to hate the Gringos that nationalized what should have been their territory all over the SW and CA. Here, dependent, with a vote, and taught by our institutions to hate us.

[henry]

add millions of new voters to our democratic base

A cursory check of the Cesar Chavez Center in Racine WI will show that they already vote multiple times each. All that will change is they will have to get a license to drive now.

[boris]

"Not only is their no interest in assimilation, but integration seeks to dismantle the current majority culture and transform what constitutes the mainstream."

Something I wrote some years back ...

There is a form of pathological mindset I see too much of in the US. Let me describe it hypothetically this way:

“We were poor, unfree and oppressed so we came to this country the US. Now we are prosperous and free but the culture we live in lacks the familiar comfort of our home culture. So now lets change the US culture to be more like our home country.”

If you like your home culture so much why don’t you go back there?

“Because it is better to be prosperous and free, but we now want both.”

But ... if you recreate your home culture here in very short time you will no longer be prosperous or free. The prosperity and liberty of the US is not an artifact of location it’s the essence of our culture.

The leftists were born here but their thinking is the same. The culture they want to impose just happens to be from La La Land and not from elsewhere on planet Earth.

[Porchlight]

A cursory check of the Cesar Chavez Center in Racine WI will show that they already vote multiple times each. All that will change is they will have to get a license to drive now.

I must disagree - although many illegals do vote (sometimes multiple times), many more probably would like to but are too afraid of getting caught. We will see millions more of them voting if this goes through.

[Jimmyk]

"Open borders, generous welfare benefits, free medical care. That'll surely work in fantasy land."

So does Barry have to get this priced out by the CBO? I'm sure they can find the magic fairy dust to have this be revenue neutral, like Obamacare.

[sailor]

FWIW--Marco Rubio was earnest and forceful on Rust Limbaugh today. Methinks, perhaps, he is too optimistic.

[maryrose]

Repubs like McCain and Rubio want a portion of these new voters helped by immigration reform. They don't want the dims to sweep the table of all these new voters. We have to sell ourselves as the Party of the Hispanics. I believe there is a method in their madness.
Happy Birthday JMH!
cathyf: Your plan is the correct one in my opinion.
Sue: I hope you feel better soon.
Pofarmer: Nice to see you posting again.
We have to wrestle the immigration issue away from the dems. I am tired of them using it as a club over us.

[Old Lurker]

Just listened to Rubio on Rush. Golly, gee he sounds earnest. Boy he talks a good line too, yes sir eee. Bet he has Mr. Smith on DVD.

As a father of daughters my reaction to his talk was what it might be when a dad sends his gorgeous curvy but naive young daughter to State U following years of dinner table lessons about fraternity life and the dangers to freshmen girls. "Daddy, Daddy I got invited to a great party at Animal House and I know what you taught me but golly Mr. Belushi and Mr. Akroyd really promised to take care of me..."

Rubio is a fool to trust his virginity to Schumer, Durbin, Mendendez, McCain or Graham and I'd list the last guy too but except for Narc's reaction to him he means nothing to me.

[Sue]

Maryrose

Thank you.

[Neo]

Soledad O’Brien was last seen wise-cracking with her old computer-generated avatar, “Dev.”

[centralcal]

Picking up on sailor's 1:56 above, here is a link to the Rubio - Rush interview. (I haven't yet listened to it.)

[sailor]

OL, I should have added that Rubio is naive.

[Porchlight]

Obama's flight to Las Vegas for the sole purpose of giving the immigration speech today cost taxpayers at least 1.6 million dollars.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-fly-over-9-hours-just-speech-immigration_698171.html

[marlene]

Maine also has a migrant health program. Hundreds of migrant workers come to Maine to harvest bluberries,potatoes and broccoli. A mobile migrant clinic travels to the blueberry barrens to provide medical care.

[Rick Ballard]

Rubio is no more naive than McCain or Flake. All three are pandering to Hispanics in recognition of the weight of the Hispanic demographic in Arizona and Florida. Graham continues to respond to threats of exposure of the Portrait of the Author as a Young Lady in his closet, just as he has done in the past. The worst thing about McCain's support is that it indicates the flatulent, brain dead old goat will run again.

[Chubby]

((Rubio is a fool to trust his virginity to Schumer, Durbin, Mendendez, McCain or Graham and I'd list the last guy too but except for Narc's reaction to him he means nothing to me.))

Unlike the joint interview of Schumer and Ted Cruz on Meet the Depressed ... not one tiny bit beholden to Schumer's seniority, took control of the debate, AND he got the last word, and all of that, ever so smoothly and not losing his cool one tiny bit. If you haven't seen it, LUN

[sailor]

Well, Chubby, I will have to look at that when I return. Am off for the afternoon.

[rse]

OL-last time my eldest was in town I told him I wanted he and Red to take the Diva out to lunch. And really talk about high school and all the foolishness etc.

She would never hear it from me or hubby. But she does not want to disappoint her brother.

I still think Rubio is representing the jeb machine on this issue. I asked the politicos I know who are involved at the state level when I was down for New Years how powerful it remained. The answer is very. And jeb's op-ed was Friday. And his selling brand is being bipartisan now.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

I live ten miles from the border, and interact with Mexicans, legal and illegal (I have no way of knowing) on a daily basis. I have never encountered a single one who was not honest, trustworthy and remarkably hard-working. This includes our housekeeper, who has worked for my wife for 35 years and who followed us down here from L.A. after we were married, and her two sons. She was illegal until Reagan's 1996 amnesty.

But I don't see why she should become a citizen, and so far as I know she doesn't want to be.

[Chubby]

Like others, I wasn't impressed by Rubio on Rush. He answered Rush's great questions with canned responses as though he was in campaign mode, getting way off point. He said more than once that he dearly wants to explain the case for conservatism -- what did that have to do with Rush's questions, and if he wants to do that, why didn't he vis-a-vis the illegal immigration question.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Yahoo:

"A conservative pro-immigration reform group has issued talking points to Republican lawmakers, telling them to avoid referring to the U.S. citizen children of illegal immigrants as 'anchor babies' or calling for the construction of an 'electric fenc'" on the border, among other things.

"The talking points, published by BuzzFeed, went out to Republican lawmakers on the Hill as momentum builds for an immigration bill that would legalize most of the country's 11 million illegal immigrants. The memo urges lawmakers to call them 'undocumented immigrants' and to avoid terms such as 'aliens' or 'illegals,' which are seen as offensive and dehumanizing. Another phrase to avoid? 'Send them all back.'"

[Thomas Collins]

I have been silent on the Super Bowl, because I'm sure there are JOMers who are Ravens fans, and I don't want to appear to disrespect the team notwithstanding my revulsion over the fawning of the media and Goodell over Ray Lewis. But the LUNed article just put me over the edge. Ray Lewis is forgiving Wes Welker's wife for her Facebook comments about Lewis. Ray Lewis has no moral authority to forgive anyone. Roger Goodell may feel him worthy of a hug. What he is really worthy of is being ignored, except for a terse acknowledgment that he had a solid football career.

[Old Lurker]

The flaw in Rubio's talk with Rush was in saying "if the final law does not support each one of these principles, then it will not get my vote."

The value of his "vote" was in the presser yesterday. In the end his single vote will matter little. That's why I went with my "naive virgin" metaphor above. He has already given it up and will look the fool when the big boys turn on his principles.

[Chubby]

hi rse,

long time, no read, hope all is well with you

((I still think Rubio is representing the jeb machine on this issue. I asked the politicos I know who are involved at the state level when I was down for New Years how powerful it remained. The answer is very. And jeb's op-ed was Friday. And his selling brand is being bipartisan now.))

your analysis seems spot-on to me. My God they are SUCH SLOW LEARNERS.

[rse]

Thanks Chubby. Doing fine. Hoping to be doing really well next week. Janet will understand.

How is this immigration bill not the same motive as what Blair did with the Pakistanis and other immigrant groups with no need to assimilate. Put in place to create a group of loyal, dependent voters.

That has worked out so well for the UK.

[bgates]

1) Lax border security leads to a large population of culturally progressive illegal immigrants.
2) That leads to a compromise between Democrat demands for amnesty and Republican demands for border security in which the government provides amnesty.
3) That leads to a larger population of culturally progressive illegal immigrants and a large population of reliably progressive Latino voters.
4) Step 3) leads to Republican demands to repeat 2).

[Danube of Thought iPad]

I'm just tired of Ray Lewis and his dance. I have no rooting interest in either team, but am contemplating putting a little money on the Ravens with 3 1/2 points.

[Bill in AZ sez it's time for Obama/Holder murder trial in Mexico]

Rubio is a fool to trust his virginity to Schumer, Durbin, Mendendez, McCain or Graham and I'd list the last guy too but except for Narc's reaction to him he means nothing to me.

That would be Jeff McFlake - bought and paid for by McCain.

[Porchlight]

I have no regard at all for Lewis, but I enjoyed seeing the Ravens take apart the Patriots and I expect them to do the same thing to the Niners. Sorry TC.

[bgates]

The Republican plan is to increase the size and importance of a large Democratic voter bloc by helping to pass a Democratic legislative goal which will be signed by a Democrat president. The reason they think they'll win votes is that they're being very specific in their public statements that they're supporting the plan to pander to Hispanic voters in a crass display of political opportunism, while Democrats are just talking about human rights and the American dream and the statue of liberty and crap like that.

[Rick Ballard]

RSE,

The rationale of "dancing with the one what brought 'em" wrt Rubio and Prescott's grandson makes sense and ties to the banalities uttered by Powell and Rice. He can't be on the ticket should Prescott's grandson prevail but he's very young.

I sure hope this chapter of Twilight of the Oligarchs wraps up quickly.

[Peter]

Stated perfectly, bgates. Happy Birthday JM Hanes.

[bgates]

If Democrats approached gun control the way Republicans approach immigration, you'd have already received a .50 Browning in the mail with a postcard saying you might have to get fingerprinted in 2025.

[rse]

Yes Rick. I actually just remembered I was already annoyed with rubio. Sometime in the last week I got an invite for a meeting or via webinar of an education forum he was participating in with the Super of Miami-Dade among others pushing businesses to get involved in supporting ed reform. That's another priority of Prescott's progeny. As I have written the foundation is just riddled with advocacy for positions that benefit the day jobs of so many involved.

I got involved with a discussion, jibing, over drinks with a CFR member vacationing in Fla with someone who knew me and likes to give me a hard time. He loved the discussions because nobody in his world argues with him much less with facts and non-platitudes. Such a bubble so many powerful people live in.

[bgates]

The Democrats have nothing to offer Hispanics except amnesty, generous welfare benefits, and the kind of class warfare rhetoric that seems to be so popular in Latin America, plus years of talking about upwardly mobile undocumented valedictorians.

But Republicans can offer abject capitulation to Democratic demands, plus predictions that they'll vote for us if we let them do the shittiest jobs in America.

[bgates]

Hispanics are natural conservatives, and everybody is inclined to support the politicians who help them out. That's why when Reagan signed the last amnesty bill, shut up.

[Thomas Collins]

Don't worry about it, Porchlight. I don't take it personally. I think the Ravens have been a consistently fine team. And it isn't even the fact that Lewis paid a good lawyer, avoided a murder charge, and went on to have a Hall of Fame NFL career. It's the way he is treated as a role model that disgusts me. And Goodell hugging Lewis to me was puke inducing.

DOT, I'm surprised the Ravens are 3 and a half point underdogs. I would have thought that Flacco's extensive playoff experience itself would have meant enough action on the Ravens to keep the line a lot closer. Perhaps I don't give San Fran enough credit because they went 0-1-1 against St. Louis this year.

[Thomas Collins]

Even the JOM spam guard wants to protect Lewis. On my two posts mentioning Lewis, I had to type the blurred letters shown in the spam guard to be able to post.

[Gus]

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same.........remember that old song.
Menendez,
Graham (her majesty)
McCain (his trajesty)
Schumer/Durbin
Durbin/Schumer What's the difference h/t Rodham.
Rubio.

Which one is going to PROM with Fonzie???

[NK]

Barry I closes down the Office to Close Gitmo; now Lady Michelle shuts down "Let's Move". Other than flying to Hawaii and Vegas and shooting skeet-- WTF do these people do all day?

[Gus]

That would eat drink and LIE...NK.

[NK]

Here's the "Let's Move" RIP link: http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/01/29/stop-michelle-abandons-move-campaign/

[hit and run]

Yeeeessssss...

Speculation on Ray LaHood’s replacement as President Obama’s Transportation secretary is focusing on a group of former transportation officials and 2012 presidential campaign surrogates — including Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa (D) and former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D)….

That's current Distinguished Practitioner of Law and Public Policy at UC Berkeley, soon to be former hostess of a Current TV show, former Dating Game star and former Governor of Michigan, thankyouverymuch.

Go Jenn go!

[RichatUF]

and since hit keeps the list...Happy Birthday JM Hanes!!!!!

Hope you are lurking and doing well.

[Porchlight]

It's the way he is treated as a role model that disgusts me. And Goodell hugging Lewis to me was puke inducing.

Absolutely fair, TC. Disgusting that anyone would hold him up as a role model. I don't follow any sports coverage beyond just the games so I don't see this stuff.

[Porchlight]

Hispanics are natural conservatives,

I know bgates is being funny here but just taking this straight - I am really getting tired of this line. I live in Texas and have never seen much evidence of it.

[glasater]

But ... if you recreate your home culture here in very short time you will no longer be prosperous or free. The prosperity and liberty of the US is not an artifact of location it’s the essence of our culture.

Boris is exactly correct. Every illegal I've ever known (and I've met my fair share in that department) wants to change our culture to the one they left South of the border. Its a complex thing though and not easily defined. Sometimes I think its their history they don't want forgotten.

[fdcol63]

I voted for Rubio when he ran for US Senate, but I won't vote for him again.

And if the GOP keeps up this McAmnesty BS, I'll do as TK has done, and leave the GOP.

I can empathize with why they came here, and I can accept that most are hard-working, decent, nice people that, otherwise, we'd like to have assimilate as Americans.

Deportation may not be economically or socially acceptable, but we don't have to abandon our principles and pander to Hispanics for their vote. I don't believe that we must forgive those who broke our laws to get into the country and put them ahead of those millions of others who have waited patiently and obeyed our immigration laws to get here legally.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

WTF do these people do all day?

Spend our money.

[MarkO]

Wow. That Ray Lewis is really quite something. Not only is he a killer but for years he's been a PED cheater. By all means, celebrate his character. Cry with him. Fools.

[Rob Crawford]

Sometimes I think its their history they don't want forgotten.

No one's asking them to forget their history. We're just reminding them that:

1) it took place over there, not here.

2) we have our own history.

[Neo]

I'm sure that if a homeless person squatted in the White House that the Obamas would just open a bedroom to them. LOL

[Thomas Collins]

See LUN for the contest I think should be carried on at halftime of the Super Bowl. My money is on Madame Congresswoman.

[Dave (in MA)]

Go Jenn go!

[Old Lurker]

Heck it is not just folks from south of the border who seek to recreate their home ways.

Talk to my friends in Wyoming about how much they despise transplants from CA.

Or North Carolina about the transplants from the NE.

[pagar]

"'aliens' or 'illegals,"

I know many, many legal naturalized citizens./legal green card holders, every one I know uses the term illegals for people who are in the US illegally. Illegals are obviously far ahead of the people who have tried to come here legally, but have not yet been allowed into this country.How can any American think that is fair?

[fdcol63]

Here in FL we say, "We don't care how y'all do it up North." LOL

[matt]

the hell with a path to citizenship. They are leapfrogging every legal applicant worldwide.

Gastarbeiters, yes, but if they want citizenship, they must go home and apply like everyone else.

[centralcal]

Liking Ted Cruz more and more today....

Melissa Clouthier ‏@MelissaTweets

RT @mikememoli: Just two nos for Kerry so far, both from Texas: Cornyn and Cruz

[centralcal]

Something is wrong with JOM today (both at work and at home) - the page loads but takes forever to stop (the spinning icon at top of browser). What would cause that?

[Old Lurker]

Happening here too CC.

[Clarice]

PJMedia-suggests Obama wants to sink the Immigration compromise which is why he floated his own--when his loses, he'll just do whatever his old caudillo heart wants and issue a passel of executive orders on Immigration, blaming the nasty Republicans for Congress' failure to pass a law.

[rse]

Sounds about right Clarice. I am hearing now they actually do not want an ESEA renewal right now either lest it override all those poorly appreciated waivers.

[BB Key]

Anybody know the final vote count on John F*ing Kerry

[Rob Crawford]

Anybody know the final vote count on John F*ing Kerry

Too many for, not enough against.

[Porchlight]

Well well well, John Cornyn must be up for re-election or something.

[Jim Eagle]

You know you have to be the most petulant, childish grandstanding little prick to want to scuttle the compromise his own left wing (Durbin and Shumer) are working out with the despicable Republicans. Good for him. I hope he succeeds and gets the blame for "no reform" because of his interference.

Mrs. JiB would like to know when she'll get the nod since she has been a green card holder since 2003.

But then I an a fan of cathyf's proposal of tax paying, law abiding green cards or guest worker status more than what the current proposals offer.

[bunkerbuster]

It's edifying to see the collective confession here that what identity conservatives truly fear about Latino immigration is that it's likely to diminish their political power. Latino mmigrants owe Tom and the JOM gang for pushing that classically bigoted, politically self-destructive meme into the right-wing echo-chamber noise machine.

[RichatUF nee GMU]

centralcal-

I think it might be the ads that are loading slowly. I've been have problems with the site too.

Oh goody. An illigal alien amnesty and just in time for the worst effects of Zerocare. The next 4 years are going to be so great. Maybe O can get unemployment back up to 10% with enough effort.

[centralcal]

Anybody know the final vote count on John F*ing Kerry

Well, Senator Kerry voted "present."

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Frau Aussenministerin]

94-3
Three Republicans voted against Kerry — Texas Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn and Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma.

Has any other SOS revealed such a deep anti-American sentiment? Not even Hillary! met secretly with an enemy while "young and foolish."

[bunkerbuster]

Funny too how vehemently identity conservatives contradict their own talking point that they oppose illegal immigration, while supporting legal immigration. As the discussion here shows, what they fear most is legal immigration.

[RichatUF nee GMU]

"guest workers" can come

This has been a source of never ending problems in Germany.

[Chubby]

((..to scuttle the compromise his own left wing (Durbin and Shumer) are working out with the despicable Republicans.))

maybe D & S will now insist that the Organizer in Chief's wishlist be included in the bipartisan effort, thus making it impossible for the Republicans to sign on to, therefore the Republicans are "obstructionists" and "won't compromise" aka Obama's negotiating games redux.

[Rob Crawford]

Not even Hillary! met secretly with an enemy while "young and foolish."

Well, she did marry that one...

[Captain Hate]

Anybody know the final vote count on John F*ing Kerry

94-3 as most Repukes did what they do best. Catch this quote:

"Secretary of state is not a desk job—it requires constant personal interactions," said Sen. Bob Menendez (D., N.J.), the new chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. "John has already built strong relationships with leaders across the world."

You'd think that some latent sense of shame would keep this pervert's yap shut but obviously not. Has the identity imbecile weighed in on the abuse of underaged prostitutes of the brown people it claims to care about?

[RichatUF nee GMU]

identity conservatives contradict their own talking point that they oppose illegal immigration, while supporting legal immigration.

Oh geeze, how so?

There are current immigration laws, and they are generally not enforced and there are those here **legally** that have been waiting years for the naturalization process to complete. I happen to think a 7 to 10 year moritorium on all immigration would be a good idea but others disagree. However the Political Class are hoping to import an underclass that will vote Dem because of all the free stuff the Political Class can promise. All this crap about "coming out of the shadows" and "path to citizenship" is to soften the edges of the real agenda.

[Captain Hate]

Well well well, John Cornyn must be up for re-election or something.

He was on Andrea Tanteros's show this morning. He also voted against Stedman four years ago. He's not a bad person as long as he is kept away from coordinating Repub efforts to capture the Senate.

[BB Key]

Above is correct and the 2 Senators not voting were Hoeven R-ND and Murray D-WA

[RichatUF nee GMU]

CH-

the identity imbecile weighed in

Nope, he's still gloating though. How is it that turd is now chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee? We are ruled by the worst.

[Dave (in MA)]

Foreign Relations with Caribbean jailbait.

[Porchlight]

I agree about Cornyn, Cap'n.

[Captain Hate]

For any Richard Thompson fans: http://www.nodepression.com/profiles/blogs/richard-thompson-s-electric-adventure

[Danube of Thought iPad]

"1) it took place over there, not here."

Except for the part that took place in what is now Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Some day, perhaps the phrase "identity consevative" will catch on. For the time being, however, it is used by only one person on planet Earth, and he is a teenager.

[RichatUF nee GMU]

Where is that clip from DoT?

[jimmyk]

Isn't it interesting how a large show of support for legal immigration by regular posters (cathyf, TC, DoT, myself, and others) results in a post by some idiot claiming that we "contradict" our support of legal immigration. This is the cognitive dissonance of the left, unable to see what is plainly staring them in the face if it undermines their preconceived views.

[RichatUF nee GMU]

jimmyk-

It is the identity teenager. What would you expect? And I might have to revise and extend my remarks above. If immigration brought women over like my dentist-wow-stunning beautiful, interesting, radiant-I'd be all for the unrestricted immigration we could handle.

[marlene]

I'm catching up on the thread and minding my own business when my husband starts throwing F*bombs at the local news. I asked what's wrong? He said nothing in particular,everything in general. Please tell me he's not the only person feeling this way?! He can't watch the news and I'm starting to agree with him. I've been reading alot,mostly biographies and memoirs and keep HGTV on for background noise.