More On Lead And Crime

I had a longish post on Kevin Drum's Mother Jones piece on the link between lead and crime. Now Ron Bailey of Hit & Run is pushing back a bit.

Short Drum: Exposure to environmental lead, from paint and tetraethyl lead, the once popular now-banned no-knock additive in automobile gasoline causes mild brain damage (reduced IQ and impulse control) that can be linked to rising and falling crime rates. Banning lead in gasoline was a great first step but for $20 billion a year we could remediate the residual lead dust accumulated near inner-city highways and blighted areas.

Short Yours Truly: The lead is probably only slightly more toxic than the racial politics this topic introduces. Which Democratic hero wants to propse we spend $20 billion a year on the inner cities because, through no fault of their own, the poor black inhabitants are brain-damaged? I don't even want to think about how we relate that spectre of brain damage to welfare work requirements, or to affirmative action.

Short Bailey: Average measured IQ has been rising throughout the century; diagnoses of ADD have been going up even as lead has been going down. So probably other factors are still important:

Drum is right that exposure to lead increases the chances that a person will suffer the sorts of neurological damage that lowers their intelligence and lower intelligence is well-known to correlate with increased criminality. Reducing such exposures has no doubt contributed to our happily falling crime rates. But it is likely that other factors including more policing, more incarceration, less crack, increased concealed carry, and other such efforts to control crime have contributed as well.

I just can't see the path to a sensible discussion about this. Republicans are not looking for new spending programs, and certainly not at spending programs targeting the inner city Democrats. Nor are they likely to declare a notable chunk of Democratic voters to be brain-damaged, regardless of medical science.

Barack Obama is not going to stand up and tell the nation that blacks who grew up in Chicago, like Michelle, are brain-damaged but he is in the clear because he is from Hawaii.

I don't think any other Demcrats are going to make the case for cash by arguing that one of the pillars of their party has been inadvertently poisoned and brain-damaged.

But I can easily see the Jeremiah Wrights of the world, who were comfortable blaming AIDS on whitey trying to keep the black man down, blaming this on whitey too. That is unlikely to be helpful.

WE NEED A PLAN! Lest you think that lead was just discovered last weekend, perhaps there is reassurance in the news that the Center for Disease Control has been tracking this for years, as have the states.

I am still trying to figure out what the data might mean. In New York State, for example, New York City screens roughly 30%-45% of children, with 0.1% to 1.3% showing elevated levels (that is pretty good relative to the state-wide numbers). In what looks like the Syracuse-Cortlandt area I see the same level of testing but 1.4% to 2.4% show elevated lead. One wonders - are they randomly testing kids or targeting at-risk kids? A bit to the east (Utica?) shows elevated levels in 3.8% to 5.5% of children, but only 24%-31% were screened.

For some seemingly good news, this chart tells me that from 1997 to 2008, New York State tested roughly 200,000 kids per year. About 6.5% had elevated lead levels in 1997; that was down to 1% by 2008.

I expect the random v. targeted question will be easily resolved once I figure out where to look. But help is welcome!

Comments

[Rob Crawford]

Barack Obama is not going to stand up and tell the nation that blacks who grew up in Chicago, like Michelle, are brain-damaged but he is in the clear because he is from Hawaii.

*snort*

He's brain damaged from all the drugs.

[narciso]

Here is some of Nevin's earlier work, it has a certain flavor to it;

http://www.ricknevin.com/research.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I'll bet Austria has more lead in it's soil and air than say Belize or Cote D'Ivoire.

[bgates]

Which Democratic hero wants to propose we spend $20 billion a year on the inner cities

All of them, and you're being willfully obtuse by suggesting they'd pin it to a reason.

because, through no fault of their own, the poor black inhabitants

Now, that's some phrasing they could use. "We're committed to spending whatever it takes on these urban areas, because, through no fault of their own, the poor black inhabitants" - it's just the end that's off.

are brain-damaged?

No, no, no. Your Democratic hero says that through no fault of their own, the poor black inhabitants have been subjected to various health risks by poisons from the evil oil industry. Then let some Republican bring up the nature of the health risks - probably too much to ask that he use the word "retardation", but one can hope - and flay him alive for his racism.

[NK]

Ig-- there you go again talking facts and logic. That doesn't apply here.. we're talking about... the CHILDREN.

[Melinda Romanoff on Kindle]

Ig-

How long does lead stay in French, German & Spanish vineyards/battlefields and what does the FDA require importers to add to their wines for lead abatement? No joke.

Portuguese wines are exempt, BTW.

[narciso]

they have this thing, about the other kind of lead;

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/04/Dems-push-eight-bills-gun-control

[NK]

TomM said: "I just can't see the path to a sensible discussion about this."

On which Leftwing instigated issue can there be 'a sensible discussion.'? This is a group of people who suggest minting a "Trillion Dollar Coin". Sensible discussion?... sorry it doesn't exist with the Left. And when race is introduced? OY!!!

[Douglas2]

The source of the environmental lead in question is the formerly ubiquitous use of tetraethyl lead as a motor fuel additive.

It began being officially phased out in the USA in the mid 1980's, but in my experience it was hard to locate even then in my region.

However it was in quite common use right up into the 21st century in Europe, so it should be easy to see cross-culturally if the same decreases in crime rate lag by 15-25 years there compared to North America.

[Extraneus]

As to the previous thread's discussion, here's the most recent proposed Balanced Budget Amendment:

`Section 1. Total outlays for any fiscal year shall not exceed total receipts for that fiscal year, unless two-thirds of the duly chosen and sworn Members of each House of Congress shall provide by law for a specific excess of outlays over receipts by a roll call vote.

`Section 2. Total outlays for any fiscal year shall not exceed 18 percent of the gross domestic product of the United States for the calendar year ending before the beginning of such fiscal year, unless two-thirds of the duly chosen and sworn Members of each House of Congress shall provide by law for a specific amount in excess of such 18 percent by a roll call vote.

`Section 3. Prior to each fiscal year, the President shall transmit to the Congress a proposed budget for the United States Government for that fiscal year in which--

`(1) total outlays do not exceed total receipts; and

`(2) total outlays do not exceed 18 percent of the gross domestic product of the United States for the calendar year ending before the beginning of such fiscal year.

`Section 4. Any bill that imposes a new tax or increases the statutory rate of any tax or the aggregate amount of revenue may pass only by a two-thirds majority of the duly chosen and sworn Members of each House of Congress by a roll call vote. For the purpose of determining any increase in revenue under this section, there shall be excluded any increase resulting from the lowering of the statutory rate of any tax.

`Section 5. The limit on the debt of the United States shall not be increased, unless three-fifths of the duly chosen and sworn Members of each House of Congress shall provide for such an increase by a roll call vote.

`Section 6. The Congress may waive the provisions of sections 1, 2, 3, and 5 of this article for any fiscal year in which a declaration of war against a nation-state is in effect and in which a majority of the duly chosen and sworn Members of each House of Congress shall provide for a specific excess by a roll call vote.

`Section 7. The Congress may waive the provisions of sections 1, 2, 3, and 5 of this article in any fiscal year in which the United States is engaged in a military conflict that causes an imminent and serious military threat to national security and is so declared by three-fifths of the duly chosen and sworn Members of each House of Congress by a roll call vote. Such suspension must identify and be limited to the specific excess of outlays for that fiscal year made necessary by the identified military conflict.

`Section 8. No court of the United States or of any State shall order any increase in revenue to enforce this article.

`Section 9. Total receipts shall include all receipts of the United States Government except those derived from borrowing. Total outlays shall include all outlays of the United States Government except those for repayment of debt principal.

`Section 10. The Congress shall have power to enforce and implement this article by appropriate legislation, which may rely on estimates of outlays, receipts, and gross domestic product.

`Section 11. This article shall take effect beginning with the fifth fiscal year beginning after its ratification.'.

What's wrong with this version?

[pagar]

O/T but might explain more reasons the Islamists are so happy with Obama.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/egyptian-lawyers-muslim-brotherhood-took-billions-from-obama/

"According to Aswat Masriya, the two plaintiffs claimed that the United States granted the Brotherhood the money illegally to back its interests in the region."

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Hey wait a minute--I thought the whole idea of the so-called "IQ" was bogus anyway. And that even if it weren't, blacks scored lower than whites only because the tests were culturally biased.

[Extraneus]

Ex-Burglars Say Newspaper’s Gun Map Would’ve Made the Job Easier, Safer

“That was the most asinine article I’ve ever seen,” said Walter T. Shaw, 65, a former burglar and jewel thief who the FBI blames for more than 3,000 break-ins that netted some $70 million in the 1960s and 1970s. “Having a list of who has a gun is like gold - why rob that house when you can hit the one next door, where there are no guns?

[snip]

Frank Abagnale, who was portrayed by Leonardo DiCaprio in the 2002 film “Catch Me if You Can,” and is perhaps the most famous reformed thief to ever earn a legitimate living by offering the public insight into the criminal mind, called the newspaper’s actions “reprehensible.”

“It is unbelievable that a newspaper or so called journalist would publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners, including federal agents, law enforcement officers and the like,” said Abagnale, who noted that he grew up in the suburban New York area served by the Journal-News. “This would be equivalent to publishing the names of individuals who keep substantial sums of money, jewelry and valuables in their home.”

[Danube of Thought iPad]

How about this: we just give $20 billion to inner-city blacks and tell them to spend it however they choose. Surely they would opt for lead-paint remediation. Or must they be told what is best for them?

[Extraneus]

Labor Sec Solis: All of these unemployment benefits have saved millions of jobs, you know

“We helped to provide, I think, some stop-gaps, and what I think about is, those two million people who would’ve lost their unemployment insurance — because think about it, all that money that goes out in terms of what’s being spent by that unemployment check, helps to generate two additional dollars back in the community so small businesses, everyone continues to keep their jobs, so, I can’t give you an exact figure but I’ll tell you that just by the movement the president made, we saved millions and millions of jobs.”

Every government dollar given out equals two dollars back. So if we just give out nine $1T coins, we'll be out of debt and running a surplus!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--However it was in quite common use right up into the 21st century in Europe, so it should be easy to see cross-culturally if the same decreases in crime rate lag by 15-25 years there compared to North America.

Posted by: Douglas2 | January 04, 2013 at 06:07 PM--

That will be almost impossible to measure because Europe already is crime free because they don't have any guns; except for Switzerland which is swimming in full auto machine guns and as is commonly known is the crime and murder capitol of the world.

[Rick Ballard]

"...blacks scored lower than whites only because the tests were culturally biased."

That's always been true - the exciting part is tracking down the roots of the Chinese conspiracy which modified the tests so Asians come out on top. That and trying to identify the Jewish team which stole the Chinese secret code and sells it only to Jews.

How else can the results be explained?

[Clarice]

I grew up on Highway 41--literally--with leaded gas polluting the air 24/7. We also played with mercury from broken thermometers. Who do I sue?

I'm pretty sure my bedroom was once doused with DDT when we were attacked by bedbugs. And definitely the walls were covered in leaded paint.

I imagine the soil in our backyard was also heavily polluted..a rail spur to the Patrick Cudahy packing plant and the plant itself were just beyond the backyard, across the alley. We used to put pennies on the tracks to see what happened and despite my mom's warning that they were poison, I regularly ate the currents growing there.
Who do I sue?

[Clarice]

Also, the boys in my school played with toy guns and drew a lot of pictures of guns shooting bullets and planes flying thru ack ak. It definitely affected my psyche. They also always took the trucks in kindergarten,

[jack is Back!]

Back in the Hamptons after a 3 hour ride on the Hampton Subway (hey, its Friday).

I see Ted Cruz is doing what Scott Brown refused to do even though he was elected thinking he was going to do it. This guy will not be quiet - thank God. Can't wait for him to take on debt ceiling.

[rse]

Clarice-don't forget the insensitivity of someone crashing through your clenched armhold in Red Rover.

I actually did take a Revolutionary War musket to show and tell in 4th grade.

[narciso]

And he's going to carve up the Feinstein bill, like a belated Christmas goose, JiB. I think even TK would make an exception for him,

[jack is Back!]

Clarice,

I sure hope you didn't eat the "currents" out there on the tracks but rather you ate the "currants" that grew beside the track:) But I know that there are no more electrified railways in Milwaukee.

There used to be - the first - in fact Wisconsin Electric was founded to provide electricity to the Milwauke Electric Railway or Trolley system. No longer there but the WEPCo building was designed to be converted into a hotel if that electricity thing didn't work out.

Those ingenious cheese heads.

[Ralph L]

It began being officially phased out in the USA in the mid 1980's
Hardly any was sold after about 1975. Cars were required to be able to run on no-lead gas in the early 70's. The catalytic converter emission control on almost all cars since 1975 is ruined by leaded gas. They made the gas tank openings smaller so people couldn't fit the larger nozzle for leaded gas in their cars and ruin them accidently.

Lead paint was banned in 1978, but it was largely replaced by titanium dioxides years earlier. I hate to think how much lead and asbestos and antique pollen I absorbed when I gutted my Old House 14 years ago. Now it would cost a fortune to pay someone to strip the paint and remove old ductwork and pipe insulation.

I think it was 60 Minutes that ran a segment years ago on a black woman who was collecting $32k a year in tax-free SSI payments for her 8 children--no doubt she'd like to blame it on lead fumes, but she was in rural Arkansas.

What is the likelihood innercity children have been eating the dirt around their highways?

[Stephanie]

Johnny football is playing tonight . Fox network . No ESPN Yakkity Yaks!!!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--What is the likelihood innercity children have been eating the dirt around their highways?

Posted by: Ralph L | January 04, 2013 at 07:28 PM--

Well, if they're anything like I was, probably pretty good.

[cathyf]

JiB -- are you guys going to be home any time soon? We just put WonderBoy on the plane to Miami so that he can play in the band for the BCS game. If you are going to be home, you should take Frederick to see the ND band play. WonderBoy and I spent Wed and Thu at his old grade school working on the computer lab, and the teachers were poking all of the kids and saying see, he played in the band here, and stayed with it in high school, and now in college he gets to watch every home game from the sidelines, and is going to Miami to play there!

[Frau Blei]

How many times can Pigford be cloned? Who is the Pigford czar?

I think my mother had something else in mind when she told us "Get the lead out!"

[Frau Blei]

cathyf - I always hope the nerds and band geeks will take over. We should be so lucky.

[cathyf]

Hey, Frau, he's a nerd and a band geek!

[narciso]

You know it's as if Drum and Nevins have left something out of the picture. inadvertently, of course;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/snoop-dogg-id-love-to-show-my-kids-how-to-smoke-pot/

[jack is Back!]

Iowahawk tweets:

"The horrors of not going to college: 19 y/o nephew (1 year vo-tech diploma) just landed a tech job with Bell Helicopter. $47 per hour."

Brown Collar v. White Collar jobs today. When the DoEdu hears this there will soon be a war on VoTech. Can't have this when Harvard and Princeton kids with Sociology or History degrees are still living in their parents basements.

[jack is Back!]

cathyf,

We are back in Florida on Sunday just to get ready for the game. Our principal is a ND guy but our best friends are Alabama and they are there at the Fountainbleu with the team. They send their girls to the same school. Going to be fun on Tuesday during car-rider to see who gets the razzes.

We, unfortunately, are exit 289 on 95 and Miami is 0. Wish we could be there but TV is better anyway. What instrument does Wonderboy play? Frederick is on Alto Sax. Tell him to wear a red ribbon around his neck so we can recognize him:)

[hit and run]

According to StubHub, the lowest price available to see ND play is currently $890 per ticket in the nosebleed corner of the upper deck.

Or if one would prefer Executive Suite 311, one would be in luck. Two tickets left for a mere $64,000 each.

[daddy]

Ni Hao!

Happy "Love You Forever Day".

[Melinda Romanoff]

JiB-

That war already exists. It's a war over the loans' destination that bothered the Administration. They're not known as reliable donors.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--According to StubHub, the lowest price available to see ND play is currently $890 per ticket in the nosebleed corner of the upper deck.--

Is it cheaper to see Alabama?

[Jim Eagle]

iggy,

Gurantee there are more Tide fans there than Golden Domers. But I think they made a mistake putting Bama in the Fountainbleau. Too many distractions while the Domers are up in Hollandale where the biggerst distraction is the Zimmer Frame races in Publix.

[Melinda Romanoff]

I have a deep, inside ND connection that would blow a huge hole in my relative anonymity.

And I know where he's sitting and in what box.

[hit and run]

Iggy:
Is it cheaper to see Alabama?

I'd have to check the exchange rate.

[AliceH]

The following is what a growing number of comments read like to me:

The gimagwa have their own wagumbie yabdah, and only true golden mickey mouses get the megalooper. It's a lumpen fact.

[henry]

I want what Alice is *ahem* drinking. : )

[Clarice]

Did I say current? I meant currants, of course. Though it was thrilling running to the tracks and putting pennies on them just before the trains came thru. I think we thought we'd derail them or something because I recall we quickly rolled down the incline there after doing the deed.

[AliceH]

Henry: Bushmills. :-)

[Jim Eagle]

Clarice,

That would be either the Milwaukee Road or the Chicago Northwestern rail lines most likely. Two of the greats no longer to be seen. Shame what has happened to railways in this country but c'est la vie , we have United and American to save us the trouble of travel:)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I'm guessing retirement has proven more boring than Alice anticipated and she started watching "Moonshiners" on TLC and took notes.

Either that or it's all the football talk.

[Captain Hate]

Johnny football is playing tonight . Fox network . No ESPN Yakkity Yaks!!!

Excellent pickup of Gus Johnson (who announces in ALL CAPS) by Fox Sports. Go Aggies.

[AliceH]

it's the football. THIS time.

[henry]

Bushmills... all I got for Christmas was a "I Made Beer!" contraption.

[Jim Eagle]

Everett Dirksen call you office: CBO make $600 billion error regarding the Obama deficit.

My TI calculator did the same thing once.

[Stephanie]

Ultimate football in a few years -

Johnny Football v RGIII

Now that I would maybe pay big bucks to see .

[Captain Hate]

CBO was wrong?::thisismyshockedface::

[daddy]

Late to the thread, but I thought that the "Science" told us that the reason that the Roman population diminished was because of the lead in their aqueducts, in their plates, and in their eating utensils. That lead was was what supposedly negatively effected their sperm counts, thus accounting for the collapse of their birth rates and their inability to keep up demographically with the reproductive success of the Barbarian hordes that eventually overran them.

If so, then the "Science" should also show us that besides lead paint being responsible for "stupidity" and "criminality" in Chicago's highrise ghettos, it should also explain why they ought to have such low Birth Rates, and why there shouldn't be anything like Welfare Queens with many, many babies, because the lead should have prevented them from getting pregnant in the first place, better even than Sandra Flukes free contraceptives.

Did that part of the "Settled Science" somehow get changed?

[AliceH]

Aw, that sounds great to me, Henry.

I was long planning to buy a (IPA) beer kit as my retirement present - got a book and saved up some great bottles and everything. Instead, I have entered the great Low-carb dietary world, as a show of support and solidarity with my diabetic/overweight friend (who is doing fantastic, btw). Spirits are low carb - beer is not. Maybe next year.

[hit and run]

Alice:
Spirits are low carb - beer is not.

Like Iggy said, maybe you should be watching Moonshiners on TLC.

[daddy]

What Have The Roman's Ever done for us?

Here's famous Roman Architect, Vitruvius, (@80 BC - 15 BC) commenting on the use of lead in Roman waterpipes:

Water conducted through earthen pipes is more wholesome than that through lead; indeed that conveyed in lead must be injurious, because from it white lead [cerussa, lead carbonate, PbCO3] is obtained, and this is said to be injurious to the human system. This may be verified by observing the workers in lead, who are of a pallid colour; water should therefore on no account be conducted in leaden pipes if we are desirous that it should be wholesome (VIII.6.10-11).

And according to Wiki: Note that the atomic symbol for lead is Pb, from the Latin word "plumbum", of which plumbing is also derived.

[AliceH]

Re: Moonshiners. Though I've never heard of it, and though 2 people bring it up, I believe I'll give it a miss. Reality TV = not for me.

[henry]

Thanks Alice, I was a good lab chemist so there is a possibility that whatever comes out of (MrBeer) will be drinkable. If it works, WI has good home brew laws and excellent equipment for enthusiasts. If not, Hit claims he'll drink anything so I'll fly him up, get his confidence with some pineapple duck, then test that claim.

[Jim Eagle]

Shouldn't he be vacationing in Antibes instead of Kailua?

[cathyf]

According to StubHub, the lowest price available to see ND play is currently $890 per ticket in the nosebleed corner of the upper deck.

Or if one would prefer Executive Suite 311, one would be in luck. Two tickets left for a mere $64,000 each.

Whereas WonderBoy gets it all -- airline ticket, hotel, meals, sideline seat for the game (ok, sideline standing -- ND students do not sit down!), even a per diem that's more than my cheap boy would ever come close to spending, so he makes a little money on the weekend.

He plays the trumpet. Tell Frederick that sax players can be in the band -- it's similar fingering to the clarinet. (DrF plays clarinet, sax and flute.) But WonderGirl is my resident trombone player and claims that they are the coolest instrument in the band, since they have those really cool sleeves on their slides. Also they get to stand in the front rows when the band plays in close quarters. (Which has nothing to do with the fact that when they stand that way if a trombone player whacks the kid in front of him, it's always another trombone player. No, nothing at all.)

All kidding aside, it's been fun to watch the boy play in a really big band. There are 68 trumpets in the ND band, which is just about double the size of his entire h.s. band. Because they practice 4 days/week from 6:15-7:30, they all eat dinner together afterwards in the dining hall. They segregate by section -- each section has their own goofy traditions, except that the trumpet "tradition" for everything is a nose turned up "trumpets don't do that!"

[Jim Eagle]

Well, catthyf, being a fish eating family, we are definitly ND fans for this game. And the trobmome is such a special instrument that in the school only the kids with long arms are allowed to even try out for it:)

You have to be proud that your WonderBoy is going to be on the same field as the footbal team without getting his ACL torn or even a turf toe:)

[Beasts of England]

Gus Johnson is an enjoyable sports announcer. Much more so than most... When he worked for my brother, he went by AC Johnson. Nice guy.

[hit and run]

henry:
Hit claims he'll drink anything so I'll fly him up, get his confidence with some pineapple duck, then test that claim.

I'll pass that test!

I made beer once back in our Colorado days. Wasn't half bad. A little light and too much carbonation, but the flavor was pretty good. My brother in Idaho has become a very very good beer maker. He now has about six varieties he rotates through.

I was thinking before Christmas of trying another batch myself.

[Sue]

Hi.

[hit and run]

Alice:
Though I've never heard of it, and though 2 people bring it up, I believe I'll give it a miss.

Probably a good choice. The dialog consists of a lot of "gimagwa wagumbie yabdah yabdah yabdah..."

[hit and run]

SUE!!!!!!!1!!!!!!

Best Moment of 2013

[Danube of Thought iPad]

I pray most fervently for a Bama victory--I love the reptile Saban and wish intractable STD's on the Domers--but I think ND plus nine is one of the great value bets in world history.

[daddy]

Hi Sue!

Wonderful to see you up and pounding the pixels!

[Melinda Romanoff]

cathyf-

The list of the Great Blasters8 from the early days of jazz through the later years will yield some great influences if there are open ears. Start with Kid Ory and his influence on Young Louis, run through Teagarden to Kai and JJ, with some Rosolino thrown in, side step to Brookmeyer and his valve trombone, and you will have shown off some of the bestest that ever were.

The Blasters were the nickname of the trombone section of any Big Band, with Woody Herman's (From Waukegan, no less) section having the most power of their day.

[Sue]

I just had a happy pill so I wont be around just wanted to say hi and thank you. You guys are wonderful friends.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Hi Sue!

Heal well!

[Porchlight]

Hello, Sue! xoxo

[Beasts of England]

DoT@10:11 - Which is why I don't bet on college football (or anything other than golf). +9 is very tempting, though. RTR

[henry]

Hit, MrBeer says it takes two weeks to brew. What are you doing in February? Probably can bring in a few others for a meet-up, but I'd have to get real beer for them. The pineapple duck is worth the trip.

Hi Sue! Glad you're home.

[Melinda Romanoff]

henry-

I've never shot pineapple duck. Are they common waterfowl near you, or do you have to cap them with a straight six?

[jack is Back!]

Jonny Touchdown is Tebow with vision. I love the Aggies for what they represent and wish them well but Frederick has OU in the pool and in order to stay in the money he needs them to either win or lose by less than 4.5 pts.

[Janet]

Hey Sue!!! Lots & lots & lots of love to you!

[narciso]

Was Rosellino, the original behind that song, or was that a cover,

[Captain Hate]

Hey Sue; great to read you.

[Clarice]

Sue!!!!!!!Good to hear from you!!!

[Stephanie]

Sue!!! All the best to you on the recovery.

[henry]

Mel, drive to Fargo, turn right and keep going for 12 hours past the border. All kinds of ducks fly over your decoys there.

[hit and run]

henry, I haven't any known plans in February.

According to The List I do have a special day, though. I should probably be here for that one. I would hate to deprive my family a day of pampering . . . me.

[Frau Blei]

A Sue ::sighting:: Lucky us!

[Melinda Romanoff]

narciso-

Never looked before, but here you go, composer Consuelo Velazquez, but the arranger for Rosolino would have been the game changer, not the composer. They make all the difference.

[cathyf]

SUE!!!!!!

[henry]

Hit, never skip pampering. I'll keep you posted on MrBeer's activities should you need to escape see snow for some reason. ; )

[cathyf]

The Blasters were the nickname of the trombone section of any Big Band, with Woody Herman's (From Waukegan, no less) section having the most power of their day.

The previous band director at the WonderChildren's h.s. was a trombone player, and she had this cartoon on her wall.

[fdcol63]

Sue, you're in my thoughts and prayers. Get well soon!

[Frau Posaune]

cathyf - The early music world could sure use a young female sackbut player.

Adam Woolf has some neat-o sackbut solos.
LUN

[Melinda Romanoff]

Perfect.

Does Dr.F. have a preference in Desmond or Pepper?

Just curious.

[jack is Back!]

For Sue:

"There's a yellow rose in Texas, that I am going to see,
No other soldier knows her, no soldier
only me
She cryed so when I left her it like to broke my heart,
And if I ever find her, we nevermore will part.

She's the sweetest rose of color this soldier
ever knew,
Her eyes are bright as diamonds, they sparkle like the dew;
You may talk about your Dearest May, and sing of Rosa Lee,
But the Yellow Rose of Texas is the only girl for me.

When the Rio Grande is flowing, the starry skies are bright,
She walks along the river in the quite summer night:
She thinks if I remember, when we parted long ago,
I promised to come back again, and not to leave her so.

Oh now I'm going to find her, for my heart is full of woe,
And we'll sing the songs together, that we sung so long ago
We'll play the bango gaily, and we'll sing the songs of yore,
And the Yellow Rose of Texas shall be mine forevermore."

The best to our Texas Sue:)

[Melinda Romanoff]

henry-

Fine. I just don't want to get a license to hunt something that has spoons and pins. If it works in al Pastor settings, I'm all over it.

[Jane on Ipad]

Sue,

You just made about 30 people's day. I'm pretty sure it isn't worth it, but since you had no choice we so appreciate the appearance .

We love you!

[jack is Back!]

Mel,

We all know Art Pepper was more tormented by drugs that Desmond. You can hear it in is solos. Paris remembers him more than he remembered them. I have his works and gave them to my nephew for Christmas when he was into Alto. Now Frederick is the proud receipient of both Paul and Art's works as well as The Bird and Nate Adderly.

[Melinda Romanoff]

jimmyk-

I found a new one!

Really interesting treatise.

[Porchlight]

Ditto Jane. I'm imagining Sue coming out onto the balcony and waving graciously at the assembled crowd.

[Frau Posaune]

Mel @ 10:55 - I've read "Space Merchants."

Chicken Little, a huge mass of cultured chicken breast, was kept alive by algae skimmed by nearly-slave labor from multistory towers ...

[jack is Back!]

Sooners need to pick it up big time. Johnny Football has dominated them so far. There goes Frederick's shopping spree:)

[henry]

Mel, cool link on employment. I've yet to see a duck of the size pictured, although I'm told the infamous sextuple breasted mallard has been frozen and passed customs on return from that locale. As for me, I shoot & bring back the tasty ones.