Obama gave an inaugural speech intended to rally his liberal base and annoy the rest of us, and the NY Times is still aquiver.
Their latest installment of West Wing is here:
Obama Speech Leaves G.O.P. Stark Choices
WASHINGTON — President Obama’s aggressive Inaugural Address on Monday presented Congressional Republicans with a stark choice over the next two years: accommodate the president’s agenda on immigration, guns, energy and social programs and hope to take the liberal edge off issues dictated by the White House, or dig in as the last bulwark against a re-elected Democratic president and accept the political risks of that hard-line stance.
Obama spoke and the world shifted. Just like it did with health care. And more stimulus.
Mickey Kaus takes the Times to task for their packaging of the debt-ceiling maneuvering. The Times is also amusingly hopeful with this:
Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, vowed Tuesday to put on the floor any gun control measures passed by the Judiciary Committee, inching closer to another showdown with the House.
A showdown with the House? As the Times editors noted last week, Reid is inching closer towards a showdown with a slew of unsympathetic Red State Democratic Senators, himself included:
The gun lobby is focused within the Republican Party, but Democratic lawmakers have also been to blame for failing to pass meaningful gun regulations. Already, some Democrats who should be strongest on gun controls are showing familiar signs of weakness.
Senator Pat Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, will be needed as a leader in this effort but has been mumbling about the need to hold extensive hearings. And Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, was making ominous, cowardly remarks over the weekend about tailoring whatever the Senate does to what he thinks could get through a House dominated by the far-right fringe of the Republican Party. He has started to wriggle away from the idea of an assault weapons ban, for example.
And in other reporting the Times noted yet another plot twist in their West Wing episode - the Keystone pipeline is back and Obama needs to figure out how to duck it again:
WASHINGTON — The governor of Nebraska on Tuesday approved a revised route through the state for the Keystone XL pipeline, setting up a decision for President Obama that pipeline opponents say will be a crucial test of his intentions on climate change.
Uh huh. If we don't take the oil Canada will sell it to China, so the impact on global warming of turning away this pipeline will be roughly zero. Still, liberals progressives will howl, so what will Obama do (other than blame Boehner and Bush?). Maybe another dramatic speech? Stay tuned...
I'm shocked, shocked to hear that Hillary is lying, obfuscating, whining, and weeping her way through these hearings.
Posted by: derwill | January 23, 2013 at 03:58 PM
shocking!!!
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 04:01 PM
Clarice!! You get the quote of the day!
Posted by: sailor | January 23, 2013 at 04:02 PM
They really are plumbing new depths;
http://twitchy.com/2013/01/23/salon-piece-says-give-truthers-a-chance-twitterers-offer-up-other-salonpitches/
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 04:02 PM
what a joke Alan Grayson on Foreign Affairs .
Posted by: BB Key | January 23, 2013 at 04:05 PM
I haven't watched any of this Hillary thing. Did I miss any live sex acts on her?
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:06 PM
P.T, Barnum has nothing on the Clintons,
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 04:08 PM
Could've omitted your last three words, BB Key.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:11 PM
What the hell is wrong with people in Florida to elect human garbage like Grayson and toss Allen West out?
Posted by: Captain Hate | January 23, 2013 at 04:11 PM
Karen Bass gave it to her, Lyle.
Posted by: Threadkiller | January 23, 2013 at 04:12 PM
Actually we could have done without the whole last sentence;
http://twitchy.com/2013/01/23/cbs-sharyl-attkisson-after-hillarys-disgraceful-benghazi-testimony-it-makes-a-difference/
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 04:12 PM
Clarice @ 2:04 - we need more such deeds from the "stupid" party.
Posted by: Frau Prost Gemeinschaft! | January 23, 2013 at 04:12 PM
RNC/DNC consent decree, CH.
Posted by: Threadkiller | January 23, 2013 at 04:13 PM
They should keep going until they get the answers now! Wear her ass out.
You're looking for spines in the wrong place. There's a party that would be absolutely blood-thirsty in this setting on offense; but they're playing defense.
Posted by: Captain Hate | January 23, 2013 at 04:15 PM
Karen Bass, huh? You'll appreciate the reticence it takes to not make a vulgar joke here.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:18 PM
Hil says the US was not allowed to have a security force there.
Will somebody please ask what the annex full of SEALs and other military was all about.
Posted by: Threadkiller | January 23, 2013 at 04:20 PM
NK-
Go look into Tommy Moe's trip through the looking glass.
Posted by: Melinda Romanoff | January 23, 2013 at 04:20 PM
OK, maybe a slight one. I've seen some pix of SecPantsuit grinning from ear to ear. Was this during the, ahem, Karen Bass episode?
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:21 PM
I would appreciate the vulgar joke even more.
Posted by: Threadkiller | January 23, 2013 at 04:21 PM
So long as they only get 7 round magazines, no problem.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | January 23, 2013 at 04:21 PM
Is Huma even there?
Posted by: Rob Crawford | January 23, 2013 at 04:22 PM
Clarice, when they roll you out to the guillotine at least know that the useful idiots like Duda and Jor will be in the cart along with you. You see, when a tyranny is first getting established the ruling party is always in danger of being overtaken by other, competing fascist factions, who want all the plums and the dachas for themselves. Duda and Jor, having proved themselves to be idiotic enough to swallow any lie, easily susceptible to propaganda, and hence quite useful in a crude sort of way, make perfect tools for any counter-revolutionaries that might crop up, and so they too must be eliminated. Call it a preemptive strike, if you will.
Small consolation, I know, but at least you will have the satisfaction of laughing at them while they whine about how this wouldn't be happening to them if only their lord and savior, Obama, knew.
Posted by: derwill | January 23, 2013 at 04:25 PM
What happened with Karen Bass? I left when Janet did.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 04:25 PM
"Small consolation" indeed, derwill.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 04:26 PM
Is Huma even there?
Hillary is spinning her fable
about as a leader, she is quite able
something in her tone
sounds much like a moan
I think Huma is under the table
Posted by: Threadkiller | January 23, 2013 at 04:26 PM
It is such a joke, they didn't know this would happen, how about the 60 page LOC report, that named the groups involved, from open sources,
not to mention, how they weakened the regime of whom they suupposedly put in power, unless they prefer Bel Hadj in charge, which I can't absolutely
deny,
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 04:26 PM
Wear her ass out.
Even if there were good evidence that the august body was up to this...have you seen the size of her ass??
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:27 PM
Hey--maybe with all that military experience she's now touting, we ought to offer a front rank in Panetta's new female commandos.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 04:27 PM
Tere you go again, narciso. Start buying collaless shirts to make the executioners' job neater.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 04:29 PM
*collarless*
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 04:30 PM
"Will somebody please ask what the annex full of SEALs and other military was all about."
There were no US military people there. Those two guys were former SEALs working for CIA.
Posted by: Danube of Thought iPad | January 23, 2013 at 04:30 PM
O/T This is hilarious even by Top Men standards: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ncaa-falls-flat-face-announces-improper-conduct-miami-202219480--ncaaf.html
Posted by: Captain Hate | January 23, 2013 at 04:32 PM
It takes skill to be this incompetnet, Captain,
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 04:35 PM
clarice:
Your 4:27 is another best comment of the day. You are on a roll.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 04:36 PM
Oh, fercryinoutloud. From CH's link:
A Clinton admin retread is the prez of UM? Why am I not surprised?
As if the NCAA could possibly be a bigger joke.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:38 PM
Thanks.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 04:39 PM
Hil looked pretty washed out at around 3:15. I still want to know if anything else interesting happened. Looks like her snotty comment is already making the internet rounds. Johnson has skewered her by making her lose her temper. Bill wouldn't have fallen for that. Obama gets miffed all the time. Amateurs.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 04:39 PM
maryrose, I still think Hillary has learned a lot from "Slick Willie." For the most part, she has been extremely slick except for that one time of losing her temper. It makes me sick looking at her arrogant smile.
Posted by: sailor | January 23, 2013 at 04:41 PM
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 04:41 PM
Maybe the Secretary could also decree that since women are unlikely to be able to carry 200 lbs over their shoulder for 1/2 mile that there will be no more fallen comrades in need of carrying?
Or to leave them so there will be equity in who is expected to carry someone?
Posted by: rse | January 23, 2013 at 04:43 PM
Shalala wa President of the Univ of WI and did a great job there. She is one of the few Dem hacks with some executive experience and talent.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 04:46 PM
There were no US military people there. Those two guys were former SEALs working for CIA.
This is true. Questions should still be asked.
Posted by: Threadkiller | January 23, 2013 at 04:46 PM
"Or to leave them so there will be equity in who is expected to carry someone?"
And equal numbers of casualties.
Posted by: fdcol63 | January 23, 2013 at 04:46 PM
People died, Rice lied, and Hillary said, "What difference does it make?"
Today's Democrat Party in a nutshell.
Posted by: derwill | January 23, 2013 at 04:48 PM
sailor:
I hate that snirky snile as well. And yes, she haslearned a great deal from Slick Willie. Karma is bound to catch up with both of them. Their pact with the devil can't last forever. Blacks will not turn out and vote for her like they did for Bammy. She's no soul sister no matter how many accents and drawls she puts on.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 04:49 PM
derwill:
You summed that up nicely.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 04:50 PM
If Croly's legacy are the Children of the Corn,
what feral tribe would describe these folk, Captain'
http://theothermccain.com/2013/01/23/liberal-blogger-how-dare-you-smear-hillary-by-quoting-her-accurately/
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 04:51 PM
Shalala was the only member of Slick's cabinet to register outrage that he'd lied to them about Monica, to which the predator didn't react well.
Posted by: Captain Hate | January 23, 2013 at 04:53 PM
I am glad that Susan Rice had to pay a price for her deceit.
McCain was good today and I like Barasso and Jeff Flake. I thought Rubio might be a bit more forceful but then Hil would be crying that Senator Rubio was mean to me like she did during her Senate run with Rich Lazio. We all know how she loves to play the victim.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 04:54 PM
Shalala wa President of the Univ of WI and did a great job there. She is one of the few Dem hacks with some executive experience and talent.
I'll take your word for it. But ISTR, wasn't she the lead liar for Slick Willy's denials about the kneeling zaftig chick?
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:55 PM
Oops. Should have refreshed. I was right that she was out in front. I'd forgotten, she believed his lies at first.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 04:56 PM
"Shalala wa President of the Univ of WI and did a great job there." UH -- no!!: Shalala's legacy at UW was imposing speech codes and denying due process to men accused of sexual misconduct. that was par for the course for a 80-90s University president, but nothing that should be confused as a 'great job'. BTW her student speech codes were ruled unconstitutional in Fed Ct, and even the faculty dropped her faculty speech code. She did learn one thing from Bubba-- The MONEY, always get the money. In her 10 years at University of Miami she has been very successful laundering money from SA drug cartels and cowboy capitalists-- I mean she has been an effective fundraiser from ... ahem.. non-traditional sources.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 04:57 PM
CH:
Yes I remember that and I respected her for her stance. Clintons hate to have the truth thrown up in their face. That's why today's day of reckoning was put off for so long. Hil is incompetent and now the whole world knows it. She is not presidential material. Her whole office Never saw the memos? Yeah right.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Oh, so I find out @ Climate Audit that Kellerman won't release the full data set for his 1993 study finding that home gun ownership tripled the chance of residents being hurt or killed. Another researcher has speculated that Kellerman's full data set vindicates the safety of home gun possession.
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Posted by: Grist for the grinding narrative. | January 23, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Seems like a pattern, there, kim, On the previous thread, I tracked down that the main source for the 40% factoid, was a long time Joyce Foundation recipient, just a coincidence,
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 05:02 PM
I remember Shalala being the only one of the gals in front of the WH who did not stand with Clinton's lie..The first to raise her "I believe" hand was the noxious Albright,
Shalala did go along with the unconstitutional speech codes00something I'm sure 99% of the school community was all for at the time. BUT she also demanded that the school recruit smarter athletes and educate better those they had recruited, and did this without antagonizing sports fan alums whose support was crucial.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 05:03 PM
Shalala tsk, tsking Slick Willie for using Monica as a humidor?... NOPE NO CREDIT FOR THAT EITHER. Her whole career was built on women as victim narrative...she was presdent of Hunter College for god's sake, so she wasn't going to give up her career credibility for Willie the predator. Granted many women did just that... Shalala just had a higher regard for herself, that's all. Saying she wasn't as big a moron as Jane Fonda or Gloria Steinem isn't praise worthy.. but that's just me.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:06 PM
Has the Fat Assed piece of shit given you as an American citizen any answers???
What does "Accepting full responsibility" mean,
Good fuxing Gawd we are a stupid Country now.
Posted by: Gus | January 23, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Go along with speech codes?... she was one of the high priestesses of 80s-90s 'every man's a predator' schtick. She tried to adopt guidelines that a man walking on UW campus couldn't follow a woman for more than X Feet, becasuse that would give the woman legitimate cause for apprehension she was about to be attacked. Plan dropped because having men darting across the street continuously to avoid following women was deemed... unworkable. Unworkable?.. it was downright Monty Python. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of "great job" but facts are facts.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Albright. What's the etymological opposite of an eponym?
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 05:14 PM
Gus: WHAT DIFFERENCE-- at this point-- DOES IT MAKE!!
Didn't you listen to lady Macbeth... I mean Clinton.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:15 PM
Well Lyndon Johnson said of Fulbright, half bright, I think that would be too charitable for Madelyn.
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 05:16 PM
OK-- there are at least 2 people in DC dumber than John effin' Kerry -- Biden and Albright.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:23 PM
ValJar tweeted this today:
If there's one thing we should all agree on, it's protecting women from violence. Congress needs to pass the Violence Against Women Act.
One of Panetta's generals today:
"The time has come to rescind the direct combat exclusion rule for women and eliminate all unnecessary gender-based barriers to service,"
American men are more violent than jihadis. QED.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 05:23 PM
... or,... Secy Panetta and his Generals don't agree with ValJar.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:27 PM
At Hillary Clinton's Benghazi hearing at the House this afternoon, Democratic congressman Eliot Engel said that "Barack Obama was not responsible for the Benghazi attack any more than George W. Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks"
Of course. Remember all those cables from Egypt Bush chose to ignore? Some as early as late spring 2001? Me neither.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 05:27 PM
NK, she wasn't a hypocrite on the Clinton-Lewinskymatter..that puts her head and shoulders ahead of the rest of his cabinet.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 05:31 PM
If Croly's legacy are the Children of the Corn, what feral tribe would describe these folk, Captain'
I'm tapped out after the dial hits 'eleven', narc; and thought it was unpossible to go further.
Posted by: Captain Hate | January 23, 2013 at 05:32 PM
Speaking only for myself, that's a pretty low bar, Clarice.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 05:33 PM
Responsibility-- IMO Lady Clinton wasn't responsible for 4 assasinations .. the Jihadis were responsible. That said... why did lady Clinton lie like a ... well...a Clinton, about the video BS-- in front of flag draped coffins no less. While Hillary's not in the chain of command-- why didn't she demand the CINC use all military means to try to save her people, or at least punish the Jihadis that same night? Hillary didn't kill those 4 people, but she's been grossly negligent since then in failing to protect american interests and personnel, by lying about the video and then sitting on her fat ass and doing nothing since the Jihadis struck.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:34 PM
Low bar indeed,... yes Shalala is light years smarter and has more self-respect than Albright.. I grant that.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:36 PM
Low bar it might be, but no one else on that cabinet did make it.
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 05:45 PM
BTW, I'm not too concerned about the distaff side in combat roles. The way we're going with Zero, I doubt we'll be fighting anyone, anywhere soon.
And like Barry and all his ever-so-smart advisors, I just know that the jihadis would treat a captured servicewoman with utter respect and within the bounds of humane and moral dimensions. Y'know, just like they treat all their women now.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 05:48 PM
Speaking of low bars... while Lady Clinton isn't responsible for the 4 dead in Benghazy (IMO), she is getting lady Macbeth like blood on her hands as the cauality list builds in Algeria, and Mali, and wherever else AQ kills because Hillary and Barry have done nothing since they assasinated our Ambassador.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 05:49 PM
Here is a link to tell the GOP what you think of the job they are doing.
http://growthopp.gop.com/
Posted by: Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!) | January 23, 2013 at 05:54 PM
Yes, Shalala was the only one to speak out. Bent Willie barked once and she backed off.
WaPo 11 Sep 1998- Shalala's Remark Irks President":
LUN
Posted by: Frau Feigling | January 23, 2013 at 05:54 PM
I like your Lady Macbeth analogy, NK. My only question is who is King Macbeth in this tale?
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 05:54 PM
I would suggest 'lord of the flies' for that crew of shrieking nazguls,
So who wins the 'Caligula's Horse' prize, for this hearing probably Chris Murphy since he's new, although I'll take suggestions,
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 05:56 PM
'I don't care about the lying, but I'm appalled at the behavior.'
Yep. Demcrats NEVER care about the lying.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 05:56 PM
she wasn't a hypocrite on the Clinton-Lewinskymatter
She didn't resign in disgust, either. Did anyone?
Posted by: Ralph L | January 23, 2013 at 06:02 PM
"...My only question is who is King Macbeth in this tale?"
Not to be too obvious but it's Bill... I just wonder what prophesy his death will fulfil. The Book of Revelations?
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 06:02 PM
New Zealand still has relatively liberal gun laws, although they do have some sort of ban on "military style" weapons based on their appearance, but just in case you're considering relocating there...
NZ to eradicate pet cats? Purr-ish the thought!
Posted by: Extraneus | January 23, 2013 at 06:04 PM
I have been noticing this, with the frequent appearance of David Cay Johnston among others;
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/01/forbes-is-a-case-study-on-how-conservatives-lose-institutions/#comments
And some other choice commentators that TM has
found on occasion,
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 06:06 PM
So did AQ before the Embassies and the Cole bombing, wait that's not right.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/hillary-clinton-al-qaeda-in-africa-has-no-interest-in-attacking-our-homeland-video/
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 06:08 PM
lyle:
So true. But this goes beyond Benghazi. The fact that NO ONE is in custody or no one hel accountable only illustrates the half-assed State Dept.'s failure throughout these last 4 years. She has no decent legacy because she didn't get out of the door before the--it hit the fan. Bammy gets a pass because he lied just long enough to get himself re-elected,
Under Kerry I expect a dismal future and more failures in leadership. There was no reassurance today that A. They learned anything from their mistakes in judgement or
B. that any protocols are in place or will be reinforced.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 06:09 PM
I'm beginning to warm to idea that nothing makes a difference in this brave new world.
The amount of money the federal government would collect from me is like a teaspoonful of water to the oceans they plan on spending, so what difference does it make if I don't pay my taxes this year?
Since we all lie all the time anyway, what difference does it make if I lie on my background check?
Posted by: derwill | January 23, 2013 at 06:10 PM
she wasn't a hypocrite on the Clinton-Lewinskymatter
She didn't resign in disgust, either. Did anyone?
For me, this defined Shalala's character. Moral leadership lost out without a further argument.
Posted by: Frau Feigling | January 23, 2013 at 06:12 PM
NK:
Yes of course it is Bill. All roads lead back to him. He who hired a slew of lawyers to prevent Bammy from pinning the blame for Benghazi on Hil.
Posted by: maryrose | January 23, 2013 at 06:12 PM
Who was the most recent cabinet member to publicly quit because of the immorality of the president who appointed him/her?
Posted by: Clarice | January 23, 2013 at 06:12 PM
I'm a proud registered INDEPENDENT.
Let me know how the INDEPENDENT primaries go.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | January 23, 2013 at 06:13 PM
Didn't Reich also jump ship?
Posted by: Danube of Thought iPad | January 23, 2013 at 06:14 PM
Ah, maryrose, you sweet innocent thing, you.
There was no reassurance today that A. They learned anything from their mistakes in judgement
Per these people, they don't need to learn anything because they already know it all and, more importantly, mistakes are for other people, not them.
Posted by: lyle | January 23, 2013 at 06:16 PM
It's good now and then to watch the Worlds Greatest Deliberative Body in action.
Posted by: daddy | January 23, 2013 at 06:18 PM
"Let me know how the INDEPENDENT primaries go..." Very true, in Ct. Indies are disenfranchised in primaries by statute. Of course, as a one party State (on the federal level) a Repub primary vote is irrelevant as well.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 06:18 PM
He looks better compared to his successor, Alexis Herman, but he didn't resign;
She came under investigation for taking cash bribe and/or illegal campaign donations as an aide to Clinton from 1994 to 1996. She was the 5th cabinet officer be investigated by independent counsel. Bill Clinton testified on her behalf. In 2000 the investigation ended with no indictment. [5]
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 06:18 PM
It's nice to know that he's gainfully employed,
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=46858#comments
Posted by: narciso | January 23, 2013 at 06:28 PM
Today-- good day for conservatives-- Hillary makes herself electorally toxic with "What difference does it make" BS. A good day-- unfortunately, like Lady Macbeth she'll be drenched in blood as AQ takes advantage of her and Barry's and Brennan's ridiculous worldview/incompetence which will allow AQ to murder hundreds? thousands? before the Obamaniacs are forced to take action. It's 1997 all over again, Americans will die again, just like in Khobar Towers, East African Embasseies, Cole and 9/11.
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 06:37 PM
State Department Had No $$$ for Benghazi Security, Did Have $16 Mil for Kindles and $4.5 for Art
more stuff at the link. sickening.
Posted by: Janet | January 23, 2013 at 06:42 PM
If you wonder why unions are strictly political entities now, and cronies for the Dems, rather than representing members' ecomnomic interests, Obamanomics is killing union employment, and with OPM running out, government union numbers are falling as well: http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2013/01/23/16664517-union-woes-continue-as-membership-shrank-again-in-2012?lite=
Posted by: NK | January 23, 2013 at 06:44 PM
"Let me know how the INDEPENDENT primaries go."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_primaries_in_the_United_States#section_4
Posted by: Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!) | January 23, 2013 at 06:44 PM