Policing v. Incarceration

John Tierney of the Times looks at data from New York City suggesting that locking people up is not the best way to bring down the crime rate. Hmm, Butterfield is unbaffled. And no mention at all of the association of lead and crime.

Comments

[Jim Eagle]

1st.

[Clarice]

Don Surber today says better the criminals should be locked up than that poor widows should be afraid to leave their homes at night

[peter]

Excellent point, Clarice. Does Don Surber still have a column? I believe he retired from blogging.

[Jane (A dog in the crate is better than one on the plate)]

Did anyone else see the Hannity special last night about the revolving door of money in DC? I've stopped watching Hannity pretty much but it was really good, and really went to the heart of the corruption we are facing. Big government is in the best interest of every elected official, of either party, and their bank accounts reflect that.

I recommend it.

[narciso]

What exaxtly are they trying to prove here;

http://www.nij.gov/journals/266/weisburd.htm

[Jim Eagle]

Gun control/safety/confiscation doesn't stop killings, freezing temperatures do.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

I don't watch Hannity, but I saw this morning that D.C. has now surpassed Silicon Valley for highest median income in the U.S.

[AliceH]

John Tierney may well have looked at data, but he didn't share much of it in that article. It was all hand-wavey allusions to numbers pre-encumbered with conclusions. Also, liberal use of the "but NYC numbers dropped MORE STEEPLY", with complete disregard (burial) of baselines. Pfui.

[narciso]

Hey, Alice, I tried to see where the big get, was in that piece, and I got squirrels,

[narciso]

The other expert, cited in the piece, seems to rather ambivalent about evidence:

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2002/10/16_empir.html

[AliceH]

Haha, narciso!

[Bruce]

The lead and crime issue was just plain silly. Yes, people are more likely to turn into criminals if growing up in certain areas, and, yes, there may be more lead. But, the far higher correlation, ignored for political reasons and for political correctness, is between crime and lack of having a father growing up. I call it the "bastard" problem. My understanding is that one of the traits that has the highest correlation with being in or having been in prison is the lack of a father in the household while growing up. Males are not sufficiently domesticated and civilized when they don't have responsible males in their lives to do so. And, so they continue to run in violent juvenile packs long after they should be settled down into marriage and fatherhood. And, it is getting pretty bad when the media celebrates some guy with maybe 11 kids with 10 wives. How many of his boys are going to end up in prison and his girls pregnant with the next generation of criminals?

The reason that this subject is politically embarrassing for the left (and, therefore also for their lapdog MSM) is that this situation is a fairly direct result of failed progressive social engineering, starting really with LBJ's War on Poverty, where single motherhood was subsidized by the state, destroying the family structure in poorer communities.

And, the reason that it is the height of political incorrectness is that the community that has been harmed the west by this is that of inner city Blacks. With a weak family structure thanks to slavery, and a tendency towards dependence, for probably similar reasons, along with a significant amount of poverty, inner city Blacks were esp. vulnerable to becoming dependent upon the government for their living conditions, and the financial pressure to break up their families and households.

Now, 2 or 3 generations later, the norm in those communities is that the females bear most of their children out of wedlock, supported to some extent by the state, and not much by the fathers of their kids, and the unfathered males tend to turn to violent crime. Which is why maybe half or better of the murders in this country are committed by these males, and this community also provides the bulk of the victims of these crimes.

But, of course, we have to ignore the elephant in the tent, because that would seriously question the entire theory of progressive social engineering.

[narciso]

This seems to be from last year, where he came to these conclusions,

http://www.vera.org/files/franklin-zimring-the-decline-in-crime-new-york-city-transcription.pdf

[henry]

Hah! IL is now number 1. Don't worry Californians, I'm sure Gov Brown has a plan to retake the title of worst run state.

[Bruce]

I should add to my previous comment that in the last day or two, the Dems pushing gun control have admitted that their primary purpose for gun control is to dry up weapons in these violent father-free urban zones, ignoring, of course, that criminals tend not to be overly bothered by laws, that there are some 300 million guns already in this country, and smuggling guns is easer than smuggling drugs. They are trying to reduce the violence that is the direct and consequential result of their failed progressive social engineering through disarming everyone else (except, of course, government officials, police, and retired police). Never mind that that approach only addresses the symptoms, not the underlying problem, nor that it increases the danger, and reduces liberty, for the rest of the populace.

[Rick Ballard]

It's odd Giuliani's reversal of Dinkin's pathetic performance doesn't rate a mention. It's almost as bad as not noting the impact of three strikes removal of the mopes responsible for a dis-ordinate amount of crime and the illustrative value of putting them away.

[Captain Hate]

D.C. has now surpassed Silicon Valley for highest median income in the U.S.

If ever there was an indicator of what's wrong with America...

I don't know if anybody mentioned it here but somebody @ AoS said Tom Harkin is retiring after his current term.::woot::

[narciso]

You notice that, Rick, ten yezrs he had already made his mind up, about 'three strikes', yet the heyday of gun control regulation, from the Dodd bill to the Omnibus crime act, doesn't factor into his thinking,

[Captain Hate]

Here's a nice headache for Stedman: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/tech/anonymous-threat/index.html

[AliceH]

No one seems to question that the cost of a cop (salary, benefits, admin, etc) might legitimately and reasonably be less than the cost of the 24x7 securing, housing, feeding of a prisoner. In other words - why SHOULDN'T budgets for prisons be higher than budgets for policing? Shouldn't the prison-budget number be compared to the total cost of crime (including courts, juries, opportunity costs, property damage, costs due to fraud, loss of life, etc...)?

[matt]

Daniel Patrick Moynihan stated the problem clearly in 1965 and was called a racist and vilified by the Left.

On the way home the other night, Larry Elder was on the air discussing this same subject. The absence of a male authority figure/mentor is the greatest tragedy in many if not most African American families today.

This and drugs are the two greatest scourges in our country today.

[Soylent Red]

Anonymous has taken over the U.S. Sentencing Commission website in retaliation for that Reddit guy killing himself. Whatevs.

It is interesting that they cite "the erosion of due process, the dilution of constitutional rights" among the reasons for the action. I wonder how many of them voted, and how many of those voted for Obama.

Don Surber today says better the criminals should be locked up than that poor widows should be afraid to leave their homes at night
We have a choice between locking them up, or locking ourselves in. Simple as that. I know which I would prefer, but given the current Justice Department and gun grab, I'm going long on home security companies, steel bars for windows and padlock manufacturers.

Now, 2 or 3 generations later, the norm in those communities is that the females bear most of their children out of wedlock, supported to some extent by the state, and not much by the fathers of their kids, and the unfathered males tend to turn to violent crime. Which is why maybe half or better of the murders in this country are committed by these males, and this community also provides the bulk of the victims of these crimes.
Oddly, I was reading something last night that made me think about this, and the Great Society programs that caused it.

From the book, "Greatness"

In a nutshell, for all of its drive to expand the size of government, the dominant social purpose of the New Deal was the preservation of the middle class. There was a problem, however: the inherent weakness of post-New Deal liberalism was its lack of a limiting principle. There was no social problem for which a centralized government remedy could not be devised. Reagan understood this problem before it became more widely apparent. He made a clear distinction in his own mind between the social insurance mentality of New Deal liberalism and the social engineering mentality of the Great Society liberalism that emerged in the 1960s."The press is trying to pain me as now trying to undo the New Deal," Reagan complained in a diary entry in 1982. "I remind them that I voted for FDR four times. I'm trying to undo the 'Great Society.' It was LBJ's war on poverty that led us to our present mess."

It seems to me that this is the defining difference between a Liberal and a Progressive. A Liberal is happy to expand the government to limit the consequences of actions, whereas a Progressive expands government for the purpose of changing behaviors and limiting choices it deems undesirable.

Yet, for at least as long as I've been paying attention, Progressives use Liberal social policies as cover for their grabs for power over basic human nature. It's always about conservatives wanting to take away the social net, destroy Social Security, etc. rather than defending the Progressive stance against people who don't want government to dominate their decision making.

Reagan did a good job at making that distinction and taking the argument away from the Progressive wing (or at least he did a better job than most). That is the path forward for conservative politicians, IMO.

[Captain Hate]

"Anonymous" are the dickweeds that wear the Guy Fawkes masks, no? That's automatically 2 strikes against them.

[Soylent Red]

"Anonymous" are the dickweeds that wear the Guy Fawkes masks, no? That's automatically 2 strikes against them.

Yeah. In a battle between them and Holder's DoJ, it really becomes an Iran-Iraq War scenario. You root for them both to lose.

[narciso]

No, I don't think that's it, the new charges against Barrett Brown, one of their spokesman, might be the proximate cause

[AliceH]

So we(govt) spend $75B/year on prisons. We (govt) only spend about $30B/year on mental health.

We also spend $110B/year on soda.

What does it mean??? It means different THINGS cost different AMOUNTS, and it's stupid to think one can determine the "right" budget for item A by looking at costs/budget of item B.

If there were a society for abolishing the torture of statistics, I might just join.

[Rick Ballard]

doesn't factor into his thinkingfeeling

Narciso,

I've seen nothing indicating thought is involved in the production of his gibberish. Had any thought process been involved, mention would have been made of the disparity between Giuliani's NYC and Daley/Emmanuel's Chicago. Comparing Deep Blue Cesspools requires a strong stomach but there is a difference in the level of putrescence.

[Danube of Thought]

Tom Harkin, liar:

[narciso]

Here we have this Butterfieldian example;

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/11-08-1999.html

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Was watching the old show Freaks and Geeks on the Sundance channel and during a commercial break saw a short interview with Redford.
I guess I had somehow forgotten how monumentally stone headed he is. It took him less than 30 seconds to thoroughly refresh my memory.

[narciso]

Some sensible attitudes, with dissent from the usual idiots'

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/26/video-milwaukee-country-sheriffs-psa-on-self-protection/

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

John Boehner and Paul Ryan have both now admitted that Barry and the Dems would very much like to destroy or annihilate the Republicans.
The normal response to someone who is trying to destroy you is to respond in kind, only twice as hard, to avoid being destroyed yourself.
Does anyone think the GOP will?

[henry]

narciso, local TV news had a full run of verklempt Milwaukee pols excluding only the Chief of Police (who is out of town). Shooting ranges are packed.

[Clarice]

Yes, Peter, he still has his column and he links to it on FB.

[Captain Hate]

I guess I had somehow forgotten how monumentally stone headed he is. It took him less than 30 seconds to thoroughly refresh my memory.

In some of his roles he gets this dreamy far away look. I think he wants people to react that he's contemplating something incredibly nuanced but it's always looked to me as if he doesn't have a coherent thought in his empty quarry of a head.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Besides being stupid he's a terrible actor.
Watch a scene or two with him beside the equally knotheaded but talented Meryl Streep in Out of Africa to truly appreciate what a stumblebum he is.
Klaus Maria Brandauaer made an excellent counterpoint to Redford, easily holding his own.

[AliceH]

I was never a Redford fan, until he started to direct. I think "Ordinary People" is just outstanding -- which struck me even more given I read the book (Readers' Digest Condensed!), which was gawdawful. As for his politics - meh.

[narciso]

Another rocket surgeon pipes in, it's not a matter of whether Klein will get it wrong, it's more which
number of standard deviations,

http://michaelscomments.wordpress.com/2013/01
/18/another-of-kleins-12-facts-about-guns-fact-not-so-much/

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

John Lott demolishes Barry's "40% of guns are sold without background checks" myth, giving us a real number likely under 10% presently.

He also obliterates Barry's even more egregious myth that NICS checks kept 1.5 million guns out of the hands of the wrong people by pointing out over 94% of those rejections were initial denials that were dropped after preliminary reviews revealed them to be improper denials.

[Captain Hate]

Besides being stupid he's a terrible actor.
Watch a scene or two with him beside the equally knotheaded but talented Meryl Streep in Out of Africa to truly appreciate what a stumblebum he is.

For some pernicious reason those characters in that movie work on the part of my brain that turns me into more of a babbling fool than usual. Very guilty pleasure territory.

[narciso]

The score for Ordinary People was good though, and it was the debut of Timothy Hutton, who it's hard for him, to screw up a part,

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Wahoo:

"A federal court delivered a serious blow to the Environmental Protection Agency’s renewable fuel agenda, ruling that the agency exceeded its authority by mandating refiners use cellulosic biofuels, which isn’t commercially available. The court sided with the country’s chief oil and gas lobby, the American Petroleum Institute, in striking down the 2012 EPA mandate that would have forced refineries to purchase more than $8 million in credits for 8.65 million of gallons of the cellulosic biofuel. However, none of the biofuel is commercially available."

[Old Lurker]

So what is the JOM consensus 24 hours after the court ruling. Does it stick?

[Old Lurker]

By that I meant yesterday's recess appointment ruling not DoT 12:39 good news.

[narciso]

Well they'll have an expedited enbanc appeal, and they are 50/50 in getting to the right conclusion,

[Jane (A dog in the crate is better than one on the plate)]

"I don't watch Hannity, but I saw this morning that D.C. has now surpassed Silicon Valley for highest median income in the U.S."

That was the tip of the iceberg.

The corruption is so deep, so pervasive, so perverse, and so self perpetuating that I don't think there is any other choice but revolution, or giving up.

It's democrats and republicans, and no one rises to power in DC unless they are willing to embrace and endorse it. We need to evacuate Clarice, and then shut the place down, and cut off all resources.

[AliceH]

"Out of Africa", in contrast to "Ordinary People", was a lovely, lovely book. Much better than the movie (but then I can't stand Meryl Streep, so I'm v. biased).

[Old Lurker]

"We need to evacuate Clarice"

Hey what am I, chopped liver????

[Danube of Thought iPad]

My guess is it sticks, OL.

Redford's character in Out of Africa (Denys Finch-Hatton) was an Oxford-educated Englishman. They tried and tried to teach Redford how to speak accordingly, but it was hopeless. They finally gave up and told him to go ahead and speak American. His performance in that flick was cringe-makingly wooden.

[Old Lurker]

Thanks DoT, fingers crossed.

[narciso]

I think the first adaptation, he ruined was the Great Gatsby, he just didn't act or look the part.

[daddy]

Mornin' folks.

Downtown NYCity. Tad chilly and a small bit of white stuff on the street below as I look past the bedbugs and out my midtown hotel window. Thought today I'd take my co-pilot down to Fraunces tavern for the George Washington Farewell Address Museum Tour, then maybe hit the Strand 18 Miles of Books for a couple hour browse, then stumble over to McSorley's for lunch and beverages.

NK, are you close to JimmyK's neck of the woods? Don't know what's most convenient for you guys, and we are back thru town on the 1st and second so maybe that's better for you guys, but I am very flexible. Keeley's Pub just a block down from JimmyK's is a nice casual place for a brew and I'm happy to go there. I'll drag along my cel-phone today and if it rings (907)231-1422, I'll answer it.

Anyhow, please advise what is decent for you guys. I'll probably be off line much of the day, but will try to check back now and then. BTW, since I'm reading Grant's Memoirs, is it worth visiting his tomb to see who's buried in it?

[AliceH]

The problem w/ making a movie of The Great Gatsby is the title character can't be believably portrayed by ANYone Hollywood would want to cast.

I could see casting Redford as Tom Buchanan.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Hey what am I, chopped liver????

Damn! There goes my plan to squat at an ocean-side home in Nantucket! Okay, we'll get you too!

Yet, for at least as long as I've been paying attention, Progressives use Liberal social policies as cover for their grabs for power over basic human nature.

Soylent,

I've been arguing that point for years to different degrees of success. And think of those goals in terms of freedom. A person who thinks government's role is to change human nature has zero stake in freedom!

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

I'm not sure I have a clear understanding of Aaron Schwartz and Reddit, but isn't this an area where we could actually find common ground with the moonbat contingent?

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Interesting take on recess appointments from Marty Lederman in 2005 concerning John Bolton's recess appointment. He concurs completely with the DC circuit's opinion.
Interestingly he now serves in Barry's OLC. I'm guessing they didn't allow him anywhere near this one.

[narciso]

Well this explains it, from the Wiki;

The rights to the novel were purchased in 1971 by Robert Evans so that his wife Ali MacGraw could play Daisy. After MacGraw left Evans for Steve McQueen, he considered other actresses for the role, including Faye Dunaway, Candice Bergen, Natalie Wood, Katharine Ross, Lois Chiles, Cybill Shepherd, and Mia Farrow. Eventually Farrow was cast as Daisy and Chiles got the role of Jordan. Warren Beatty, Jack Nicholson and Steve McQueen were considered for the role of Gatsby but they were rejected or declined the offer. Beatty wanted to direct producer Evans as Gatsby and Nicholson didn't think that MacGraw was right for the role of Daisy, who was still attached when he was approached.

Always consider it could have been worse, they had Truman Capote in mind for the screenplay

[AliceH]

BTW, the other day, I had a brief opportunity to shoot an air-pellet pistol. Learned 2 things: 1) I seem to be pretty good at aiming -- I hit the 2" target at 25 feet every single time and 2) I'm not as strong as I remember - it was very hard to pump the air-gun, and not only because of limited leverage. :-(

All in all, though, not a bad effort for a complete beginner.

[Captain Hate]

The problem w/ making a movie of The Great Gatsby is the title character can't be believably portrayed by ANYone Hollywood would want to cast.

This is their quandary but it won't stop them from trying again, like communism, to get it *right* this time.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Redford's only good role was Jeremiah Johnson.

Presumably this is because he had about three words of dialog and his perennially frozen face could be excused by the fact it was about 30 below the whole time.

[narciso]

And Baz Luhrmann can't possibly mess this up, right.

[Captain Hate]

I'm not as strong as I remember - it was very hard to pump the air-gun, and not only because of limited leverage. :-(

You could try a CO2 cartridge BB pistol. On the trip where I met Clarice, Janet, Soylent, Rich and Walter, I showed my college roomie's wife how to shoot one so she can plunk squirrels.

[jimmyk]

Daddy, I can meet you at Keeleys later this afternoon, after 5, and tomorrow is wide open. Will call later.

[daddy]

I thought Redford was good in that old Twilight Zone episode where he is death and comes to take away the old lady:

Man, Rod Serling sure smoked a great cigarette:

[Captain Hate]

his perennially frozen face could be excused by the fact it was about 30 below the whole time.

And he had a full beard covering those hideous bumps on his face that somewhat negate his natural good looks by making his skin resemble a topographic map of the Himalayas.

[pagar]

I believe this link has to do with policing.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52538?utm_source=CFP+Mailout&utm_campaign=3fd84918ab-Call_to_Champions&utm_medium=email#.UP3LsESYkJM.mailto

"The Guns of Obamerica"

"Obama won every major city in the election, except for Jacksonville and Salt Lake City. And the higher the death rate, the bigger his victory. He won New Orleans by 80 to 17 where the murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. He won Detroit, where the murder rate of 53 per 100,000 people is the second highest in the country and twice as high as any country in the world, including the Congo and South Africa. He won it 73 to 26. And then he celebrated his victory in Chicago where the murder rate is three times the statewide average."

Where the Democrats are is where the most policing is needed.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

My understanding is Aaron Schwartz took a bunch of docs he was entitled to download and intended to do something with them that he was not entitled to do.
If you don't like copyright law or other laws which protect documents and intellectual property you think shouldn't be protected you can either change the laws or violate them. If you do the latter you should be prepared to accept the consequences.

Should he have gotten jail time; maybe, maybe not.
Should unstable people not be prosecuted?
Answers itself I think.
He did something similar previously and got away with it. I suspect that led him to erroneous conclusions.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

This final two sentences make the point I was making on the previous thread:

"The Recess Appointments Clause occupies an interesting niche in
constitutional law. In terms of importance and vagueness—the two
essential ingredients of controversy and scholarly attention—it falls far shy of, for example, the Due Process Clause. On the other hand, it does not suffer from the irrelevance or the precision that have doomed the title of nobility prohibitions or the requirement that the president be thirty-five years old to the Siberia of constitutional discourse. There are stakes, but they are not too high; there is substantial text to work with, but no shortage of interpretive issues. In considering the scope of the clause, moreover, one is perforce behind a sort of Rawlsian veil of ignorance. A given interpretation may be good for your team at one point in history and bad at another. Therefore, ideology and the appeal of desired outcomes in the short-term can more easily be set aside here than when considering many substantive constitutional issues."

[Danube of Thought iPad]

I note that Terps v. Blue Demons is on CBS, affording a rare opportunity to see an ACC game without hearing the unendurable Vitale. But it has been many a year since I watched a college hoops game before March Madness.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

My understanding is Aaron Schwartz took a bunch of docs he was entitled to download and intended to do something with them that he was not entitled to do.

So he was about to be tried over what the prosecutor determined was his intent?

It would be a rare day when I would think that a MA prosecutor was not over-reaching.

I assume I'm still missing something.

[Captain Hate]

Yes DoT the Terps are doing better at kind of hanging in with Los Diablos Azure than I was expecting but I think Dem Debbils will prevail.

[Captain Hate]

I think Vitale is still in the ICU after the Miami game.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Listening to Clark Kellogg is no trip to the beach either, so I have opted to watch an episode of Dateline on ID on the DVR.

[The Force was with the computer geek.]

Ho, ho, ho, HaHa. LeBron got his $75,000 worth last night.
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[narciso]

Well Aaron was going to get more time, then Kirikaou
got for burning CIA officials, the real story, is they were after him, for his opposition to SOPA.

[You can detach retinas with those things.]

I once gave my Mother a fright by suggesting arming my Dad with a pellet pistol for the squirrels @ the birdfeeders.
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[Guaranteed cure for the problem.]

Hey, I've got some of that cellulosic biofuel, but I won't let it go for less than $8,000,000 per homeopathic dose.
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[Soylent Red]

And he had a full beard covering those hideous bumps on his face that somewhat negate his natural good looks by making his skin resemble a topographic map of the Himalayas.
Redford's face has always reminded me of dusty leather, beaten out with a golf shoe.

Liked the scenery in Out of Africa but not so much the ponderous acting, hated Redford's Gatsby. JJ was a good movie but Redford didn't make it that (that's a movie in serious need of a remake).

Only roles I ever liked him in were Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid, The Sting and The Natural. He's a better director than actor IMO.

Where the Democrats are is where the most policing is needed.
This includes the White House and Congress.

[Captain Hate]

Listening to Clark Kellogg is no trip to the beach either

Dear God, he never shuts up. It's as if he's getting paid by the word no matter how stupid. Too bad because he used to rule a playground where I played many years ago; lots of high level games then and there before the city shut it down (too many fights for the neighbors).

Kim, I don't know what you're referring to re: LeBron. I'm still basking in the Celtics blowing a 27 point lead at Atlanta to lose by a dozen in double OT. This was my favorite comment from Sons of Sam Horn's game thread: "Total implosion is complete. Please spare us the bullshit posts about how they will be a tough out come playoff time. This team is a fucking disaster. The rest of the league is going to have fun beating them for the rest of the year. We know how well liked they are."

[rse]

narciso-McGraw as Daisy?

Yikes! I still remember her wooden performance as Natalie Jastrow in The Winds of War. A well written part she was terrible in because she never could act.

[AliceH]

It is irksome to see "he didn't plan to profit by it" or "he was authorized to access the JSTOR(?) data" put forth as some sort of defense.

As I understand it, Aaron Schwartz circumvented the access controls and downloaded the work product of not only those who authored the documents, but those who developed the archive system library itself. SOMEBODY funded and worked to create this repository -- and SOMEBODY maintained and supported and managed and hosted this repository -- and that proprietary service is what Schwartz "stole".

[Captain Hate]

Anybody that participated in Love Story should have their guild card pulled forever.

[Manuel Transmission]

A commenter under Steyn's latest column linked here yesterday deserves special attention:

Benghazi was the 3 a.m. phone call that Hillary warned us about in in the 2008 primary campaign. The one that she would be ready for but Obama wouldn't. Turns out they both let the call go to voicemail.

[Jane (A dog in the crate is better than one on the plate)]

"SOMEBODY funded and worked to create this repository -- and SOMEBODY maintained and supported and managed and hosted this repository -- and that proprietary service is what Schwartz "stole"."

But access wasn't prohibited, was it?

[St James Hug, too.]

Guy hit a half court shot for the prize from LeBron's foundation.
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[Ralph L]

Very guilty pleasure territory.
It's the scenery. And the longing for a return to colonial domination of the brown people.

[Clarice]

Love that EPA ruling.
OL I won't leave home without you (and your lovely wife). Also Mr. C, my cat and your dogs.

I'm hardly the first to say it, Jane, but I've been here since 1965 and watched how increased federal laws and regulations have essentially forced everyone else to hire advocates for their positions, and no one is better equipped to race through the gauntlets than former govt employees and officials.Also, I can barely remeber any deposed office holders who ever left here.

Want to return money to your pockets? Keep fighting for smaller federal programs.

[rse]

Jane it is right now.

IIRC Arne Duncan has put it all off limits. Since I tend to track people more than ideas and already knew way to much when JSTOR went offline, it does not really affect me. Although I have seen some JSTOR stuff in last month I would love to get my hands on.

If you were trying to track down what all this ed funding research for example was really creating because you wanted to understand this admin's priorities and social science agenda and you had just started, you'd be out of luck. The idea has always been that by the time people recognize there's a problem, it's too late.

These charmers are going after physical changes to the brain that require several years of "doing" while the PFC remains malleable.

[Jane (A dog in the crate is better than one on the plate)]

If that show is rerun, I highly recommend you turn on your TV. If you can get past Peter Schweizer saying "the reality is" every 10 seconds and the typical Hannity BS, it really is quite amazing.

[Manuel Transmission]

We had a fun encounter with Redford about a dozen years ago. MT Jr was running in the Ogden Ironman and a bunch of us rented a house at Sundance to make it a party. There is a little restaurant there that is Bob's 'private' dining room. So one evening we are all partying there and Bob come in to dinner with a lady that I'm guessing is a filmmaker (not a hot chick) and sits in 'his' booth next to us. First off, a couple of the ladies at our table, who are smitten by him happen to be seated with their backs to him. That was pure ecstasy for the rest of us. (They were too cool to turn around!)

As the evening wears on, we're all laughing and telling stories that ol' Bob can't ignore, but he is not wearing his glasses, so he can't really put it all into context. Finally he and his guest finish and he just can't stand it any longer, so he digs out his glasses and as non-nonchalantly as possible gives us all a thorough once-over as he heads out. Of course we all completely ignore that he was even in the room.

[jimmyk]

"But access wasn't prohibited, was it?"

He had legitimate access, but subject to rules that you agree to abide by, which include not redistributing the material.

[jimmyk]

Also, I'm not sure how far along he was with the redistribution part, but he had downloaded a huge amount of material in order to make it available freely online. I had thought he'd gotten as far as actually putting it up online, but I'm going on memory here.

[Captain Hate]

He had legitimate access, but subject to rules that you agree to abide by, which include not redistributing the material.

Yes, AliceH is correct. What he did was wrong period; no matter what his fanboiz say.

[jimmyk]

On the NLRB ruling, the MSM is depicting it as Barry doing the same thing as all presidents have done for 100 years, to suggest the court overreached. In other words, "Bush did it too!" Is that so, or did he do something different, and the MSM is covering for him?

[Manuel Transmission]

Alice,

I have a lever-cock match pistol that you could probably work. It is a 'left-handed' side swing on the lever, which for most of us our weak side, but it is the reaction of the right hand that is tough. It is a Feinwerkbau with an electronic trigger. You would love it, because it only needs you the 'think' the pellet out. Benchresting it, you could put ten pellets in the same hole.

[AliceH]

He also bypassed the user front-end to the data - running some sort of data-scraping/content-grabbing script against the database server itself or something - not at all the same as logging in, then "downloading" a bunch of documents.

[Captain Hate]

"Bush did it too!" Is that so, or did he do something different, and the MSM is covering for him?

I think the JEF did something different because they weren't in recess by design. Slick and W both abused recess appointments imo (not that Congress has acted mature in confirmations, also imo) but this was a step previously not taken I believe.

[AliceH]

Thanks, CH and MT.

Actually, I think sometime in the next week to 10 days, I'll (probably) get my hands on a Crosman 2240 - which sort of combines both your pieces of advice, i.e. CO2 and lever/single shot.

[Threadkiller]

A plus for Texas:

Sec. 192.0301. UNIFORM APPLICATION FOR PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES (a) The secretary of state shall prescribe an official application for a place on the ballot, which must be used by a candidate for president or vice-president, regardless of the authority with whom the application is filed. (b) The application must require a candidate to provide:

(1) the candidate’s date of birth;
(2) the candidate’s length of residence in the United States;
(3) an affirmation of the candidate’s natural-born United States citizen status;
(4) authorization for the secretary of state to obtain a certified copy of the candidate’s birth certificate from the original issuing authority; and
(5) for the applicable candidate for president, the consent of the candidate for vice-president to be the running mate of the candidate.

(c) An application made under this section is a public record, as provided by Section 1.012. [...]

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=83R&Bill=HB650

I hope he gets the votes

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

He had legitimate access, but subject to rules that you agree to abide by, which include not redistributing the material.

Which I thought he had not done.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just trying to figure out the outrage - and lack there-of. Is this an example of the OWS types trying to cower the prosecution, or of prosecution over-reach or both?