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January 01, 2013

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Rick Ballard

Clarice,

I would agree if the Speaker showed the slightest aptitude for articulating a position based upon principle or simple arithmetic. I have seen no evidence of an ability to do so based upon either.

Speaker Boehner has a firm grasp of Governor Romney's inherent desire to seek the Goldilocks Optimum ("Rent a Spine" would work well for SCAM in DC) but the intestinal fortitude to grasp the male bovine by the sharp, pointy parts has yet to be demonstrated.

My personal hope is that Ryan is working on a putsch designed to put himself in the Speaker slot and Boehner in tall grass where he can munch away in contentment.

jimmyk

Why wouldn't the Senate be the bogeyman for refusing to go along with even modest spending cuts? Seems to me the House could have put the ball in their court.

It's hard to know what the best deal possible on taxes could have been. But as I understand it, we've got higher rates on income, dividends, and capital gains for those over $450K, deductions disappear for those over $250K, so that's a tax increase. We've still got the increase in Medicare taxes over $250K, extension of UI benefits for a full year, and on and on.

Maybe that's as good as it could have been, but now it's a bipartisan effort, so who is the recession going to be blamed on?

jimmyk

italiacto!

narciso

Is this the same Greene fils, he doesn't seem the Harvard type,

Clarice

Both the president and the media would have successfully argued to the public that it was the Republican Congress that scotched the deal.

In the meantime, deductions don't altogether disappear; the estate tax and Bush cuts stay pretty much intact.

I wish the Republicans could better articulate their position but that's what it is. Kantor can do a better job of that for sure.

This month there will be payroll tax increases I believe and Obamacare tsuris (agita) begins to hit home,

Clarice

Business Insider:
"By not extending the payroll tax cuts, the Senate agreed to raise payroll taxes on working Americans from 4.2% to 6.2%--a tax that will apply to the first $113,000 of earned income.
This tax increase will hit anyone who earns money in this country, including "the 47%."
So, it's almost like Romney got elected!"


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/payroll-tax-increase-2013-1#ixzz2Gn4SfqdQ

Clarice

The left is screaming that the rich aren't hit as class warrior Barack promised. There's something to that--the retention of a low capital gains tax and a $10 million per couple extension of the estate tax plus an income tax increase only on those earning ove $400k($450k for couples).


Obama has proclaimed he wants to raise taxes more--what will his constituency for this be? Bombers in Greenwich village? Maddow?

narciso

So it works out like a Glenn Reynolds trope, 'they told me if I voted for Romney, the 47%
. . ."

daddy

Narciso,

I think it must be. It would have to be a huge coincidence for Gliedman to be writing a total of 6 articles for some School publication and using 2 of them to glowingly print the words and actions of Aaron Greene, and him not being the one that became her baby's babydaddy.

Threadkiller

I lack the will to look something up. When this happened last time was it a simple House Bill that the Senate bastardized and sent back to the House in the final hours?

RichatUF

This month there will be payroll tax increases I believe and Obamacare tsuris (agita) begins to hit home...

It hits at 200K for single (I'm well short of that;) The device tax is what is really problematic and stupid and squeezing HSAs and upping the medical deduction is just as stupid. But the dopes wanted to see whats in it...Happy New Year. brb.

narciso

There's a bit of a confuzzlement, daddy, as they say about Greene, where did the Harvard data come from.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Ryan voted yes, Cantor voted no. If Cantor can articulate a position based upon principle or arithmetic then I hope he takes Boehner's job. Ryan can always go to work for Bain Capital to support his quest for the Goldilocks Optimum.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Ryan voted yes, Cantor voted no. If Cantor can articulate a position based upon principle or arithmetic then I hope he takes Boehner's job. Ryan can always go to work for Bain Capital to support his quest for the Goldilocks Optimum.

daddy

TK,

I can't help, being useless tonight.

Having watched "Lincoln" today, and witnessing a re-enactment of the House taking a vote on something that every member of the House had read and was completely familiar with, I am out of energy for trying to figure out what the hell our Government is doing deciding whether or not to vote on something that showed up this morning and had expanded from 5 pages to 157 overnight, and $4 billion tax increase per page.

Here's the 13th Amendment in it's entirety that they were voting on in the Lincoln movie in 1864:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

I suppose the better question to ask is the following: When the hell was the last time our Congress was actually voting on some Legislation where every member actually had read the damn thing start to finish and understood it. Beats me.


jimmyk

Obama has proclaimed he wants to raise taxes more--what will his constituency for this be? Bombers in Greenwich village? Maddow?

There's never a limit as long as it is sold as a tax on the rich. Can you imagine anyone on the left saying, "Ok, I think taxes are progressive enough"? Taxes on business hit everyone, but people just see higher prices and blame greedy capitalists.

Either adults will get control over spending, or eventually the debt will have to be inflated away. When interest rates go up the deficit will explode and the debt will snowball.

narciso

From the Daily Mail piece;


Greene claims he went to Harvard University for his undergraduate degree and did graduate work at the Kennedy School of Government there, as well.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255609/Morgan-Gliedman-Aaron-Greene-junkies-terrorists-police-say.html#ixzz2GnCEeMxY
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narciso

Hey 'Justified' is back next week, well that's something,

Beasts of England

Ig@8:03 - Certainly an improvement. Had no idea the pear-bottom was back in vogue? ;-)

Dave (in MA)

Apparently the orange chain-smoker told the guy who doesn't deny being a pederast to "go f--- yourself".

daddy

Narciso,

Interesting that when she attends the Art School founded by Aaron Greene's father she winds up interviewing the father for articles and then later quotes his son Aaron in her stories. Seems like she had the Nepotism angle figured out early.

So whats the prognosis now for the baby? A better chance being the child of hard core heroin addicts, or a better chance being the child of domestic terrorists?

Geez.

Dave (in MA)

daddy, people are good at multitasking these days, so why not both?

RichatUF

come on daddy, they are parciptiants in a victimless crime. Was the girl wanted on some credit card fraud charges-another victimless crime.

Clarice-

Both the president and the media would have successfully argued to the public that it was the Republican Congress that scotched the deal.

They've been blamed since 2006. Obama won reelection with record high gas prices and 8% unemployment. We had the "worst economy ever" under Bush with 5% unemployment and gas about $1.25 cheaper. Snark aside, you are probably right that this is the best deal that could be crafted given the election loss and timeframe. I just wish that the can kicking would stop and a real plan for solvency would be on offer, however, with the administration and Senate in Dem hands and the House in disarray it is surprising they could put anything together. My resolution should be to always be disappointed with what comes out DC-it is one that I wouldn't have any trouble keeping.

It is also disappointing that Ryan voted yes on the plan.

RichatUF

Beasts-

Ig@8:03 - Certainly an improvement. Had no idea the pear-bottom was back in vogue? ;-)

That was an inspired picture.

narciso

Where was that picture from, I couldn't find the source?

RichatUF

Not sure narciso. Iggy must have all the good sites bookmarked.

Also, from above, wasn't the issue in Argentina 1991, the formation of the currency board, which pegged the peso to the USD to kill a decade's worth of hyperinflation? Not seeing the similarities here.

A currency crisis would be tough to start because other countries (eg. Japan) are starting to devalue and oil and food demand (OPEC). Not that I don't think it could happen just that I think it less likely than believed.

Holly

I'm catching up after missing a week of JOM and just now read Sue's surgery post.

Sue, I'm praying now and will be praying all day today that your surgery goes well and you awake in recovery cancer free.

I'm sure you know by now that folks in Cancerland call this load of bricks that knocked you silly, your "journey." I fervently hope that yours is short and boring. :) But if you ever get the urge to liven it up a bit, take a closer look at those multiple versions of Ecclesiastes 3: 1-4 friends and family have been sending you (or will be sending). Reflect upon the deep stuff (“To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven" - and if you figure out where cancer fits in there let me know because I've been working on that for ten years), skip the useless weeping and mourning part, and then get to the good stuff and highlight it: : "a time to laugh . . . and a time to dance.”

A time to dance. Now THAT's what I call a journey. *grin* So, Sister Sue, anytime you wanna join me on my journey, email me at chinogarza at aol.

daddy

I think the dog speaks for me:

RichatUF

Poor doggy.

daddy

I've got a suggestion.

I think it is time for the Republicans to act like Democrats, to pick a project, screw the expense, and pass whatever is required to create in downtown DC a Museum, similar to the Smithsonian or the Newseum etc, called something like the Museum of Federal Pork Projects and Government Stupidity, and so ostentatious and big it would be impossible to ignore---an Eternal Monument to our collective Legislative and bureaucratic stupidity.

Make the name come out better than what I penned above so that it spells "Pigs" or "idiocy" or something similarly catchy, but it should be some colossal monument on the Mall that every tourist will want to go have a look at after the tours of Nat History or the Archives or the Spy Museum, in order to be reminded of the colossally stupid and wasteful ideas our Solons have come up with and inflicted upon us over the years. You guys I'm sure could come with a thousand marvelous and appropriate exhibits.

For instance, lets have our 80 Million dollar Alaskan Ice-Breaking Ferryboat in the front lawn for kids to climb over, with placards explaining how no thought was ever even given to the idea of whether there would be Ferry Terminals available that might actually be able to handle the monstrosity. And certainly we need a section on Government Procurement run amuck---the $800 Toilet Seats: "Fact or Fiction?" And definitely a room called, "The unintended Consequences of Good Intentions"---just let your imagination run riot for a while about that!

The Lawrence Welk Museum. The Cowboy Poetry Funding idiocy. Paying Sam Donaldson or Brokaw or whomever to raise Mohair Sheep. The Federal Tea Tasting Department. The Susan B Anthony Coin Minters. The Midnight Basketball Leagues. The Shrimp or Cockroaches or whatever the hell it was on treadmills at $150,000 a pop.

And we need 50 Exhibition rooms for each of the 50 States, detailing the God damn dumbest Federal funded projects each of you guys can come up with in your home state to constantly remind us all of the Lunacy of DC and why we can't let these things simply keep going down the Memory Hole. You guys flesh it out.

We Americans need an "in our face", concrete, tangible, touchable reminder of the stupidity our Legislators have inflicted upon us with our on money these last 50 to 100 years, once they forgot that they were our "public servants" and that it is "our money" and somehow reversed that equation in their noggins.

I don't give a shit how many billions it would cost, I'm for it, and will vote for any sunuvabitch that will push it thru Congress and across the President's desk. I think great hay can be made of this. This would finally put us on the path to spending for something worthwhile for a change, and force the Dem's to sit on their butts screaming about wastes of the Taxpayers money, and then we can come back with "You Senator so and so, don't want to support this popular grass roots supported Legislation, because you're the dumb sunuvabitch that pushed thru Federal Funding for The Cowboy Poetry Fair in the first place", etc.

I'm confident it's a damn good idea whose time has come, and I nominate bgates for curator, but maybe I should sleep on it. I welcome your thoughts.

G'nite.

Extraneus

Great idea, daddy. Perhaps it would be best if it were privately funded.

Captain Hate

Is Boehner still lining up votes for his Plan B From Outer Space or did it finally dawn on him why purging members of his own party in the eleventh hour wasn't such a bright idea? The ham faced fool couldn't even be bothered to state why preserving tax breaks for Hollywood isn't the best way to support conservative principles. Quisling idiot.

Jane:  Mock the Media

WHy on earth does that man keep getting married? I love the dog.

I'm about this { } far away from saying screw all of it. I don't want to know what Washington is doing, I just want to bury my head in the sand. I sure as hell can't do any more about it.

Soylent Red

We Americans need an "in our face", concrete, tangible, touchable reminder of the stupidity our Legislators have inflicted upon us with our on money these last 50 to 100 years, once they forgot that they were our "public servants" and that it is "our money" and somehow reversed that equation in their noggins.

While your idea is admirable, my tastes lean toward something more like the Tower of London.

Of course if it is privately funded, we could save money by constructing a 535-trap gallows.

Jack is Back (Again)!

A true ship of fools met last night and once again demonstrated how out of touch they are with the economic realities of today, the past and tomorrow.

It is nothing short of pure cowardice and even avarice on their part. Perhaps it is time for the "Tea Party" to organize and incorporate themselves into a real political machine and alternative to the GOP. But probably will do no good. Why?

The number of people who continue to admire both Obama and Clinton per the Gallup poll. We as a society and culture are stuck on stupid. As so, it is most likely terminal.

Janet

The ham faced fool couldn't even be bothered to state why preserving tax breaks for Hollywood isn't the best way to support conservative principles.

Have Republicans been on TV much? I just never feel like they get much of a public forum to explain or discuss their ideas. The few times I see them on talking head shows...they are having to battle the moderator. An official Dem doesn't even have to show up.
I don't trust the MFM to give an accounting of what the Repubs did or didn't do.
All that's left is to go to the Repubs own site or watch clips on YouTube of Conservatives speaking to an empty chamber.
I don't know....the playing field is just too biased.

Melinda Romanoff

Janet-

That's by design.

Captain Hate

I don't know....the playing field is just too biased.

Stop defending Boehner. I saw him on FNS and he just muttered like an inarticulate boob on the tail end of a bender. I know that Chris Wallace is a turd who is as biased as the rest of the MFM but this went beyond his input. Boehner is a joke when it comes to being a leader.

pagar

This one is for Daddy!

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/france-muslims-celebrate-new-years-eve-by-burning-1200-cars.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Janet

I believe YOU, Captain. I don't watch much TV, so I didn't know.

NK

I'm not a jet-setter like JimmyK, so only one JOM meet up for me this week-- a second is planned MLK weekend, so I get 2 in one month, the good Lord willing and the river doan rise.

As to the Fiscal Cliff nonsense? Meh! Just craven greedy DC pols out for themselves, so no one is happy because they helped no one and accomplished nothing except kick the can a few feet down the road. As to the politics, I'm with Clarice, the Repubs did quite well for their main constituents, small business owners and families. As to REALITY? what is the REALITY? the Federal debt limit has been breached, Geithner is at this moment playing accounting games with Federal pension fund accounts, and the US Federal budget overspends by $4B-- PER DAY! Per DAY!!! Those things cannot continue so they won't. How will they play out? I have no idea, although the combinations of variables are few-- they mostly involve a default af some kind, and hyperinflation/Dollar devaluation, and oh-- shafting the muddle out of Medicare and Soc Sec payments. Personally I can't wait-- I just can't tolerate the lying any longer.

Captain Hate

I'm sorry Janet; you're the last person I should be sniping at when I'm in a bad mood brought on by politics. My point should be that these guys know the lay of the land and if they're not set to deal with it they should step aside for somebody who is.

marlene

Good Morning! I have a question. Have most of you given up on calling or writing your Reps and Senators? Many here at JOM live in blue states/districts,so probably think contacting them is a lost cause.
Well,four snowmobilers went through the ice on Rangeley Lake on Sunday.One body has been recovered,three still missing. Tragic but stupid.

centralcal

Good morning.

I for one am sick of reading (just about everywhere, left and right) about Obama's "failure" of leadership. What failure?

Obama is succeeding. He is successfully destroying the USA and it is all according to plan. Why isn't that the message being shouted from the rooftop at least from the Right?

Janet

No problem, Captain. these guys know the lay of the land and if they're not set to deal with it they should step aside for somebody who is.

You are right.

pagar

Centralcal, IMO, you have it exactly right.

NK

IBD editorializes this morning; they adopt a combination of my pox on all craven DC politicians; MelR's ChiTown politics culture coming to DC, and they even mention Barry's CHOOM gang. It's a winner of an editorial-- unfortunately all true: http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/010113-638801-obama-spreads-chicago-style-divisions-through-american-politics.htm?p=2

narciso

There was a rebellion against Newt, around this time, in the cycle, and he was much more successful then Boehner, 'So cry Havoc and let loose the Dogs of War'

narciso

In other new, 'You Blew the Transaxle, You're just grinding metal now;

http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/new-yorks-putnam-county-denies-gannett-papers-request-for-gun-permit-database/

Clarice

Here's Heritage's take--they, too, note everybody's taxes are going to be raised--even the 47%.http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?reason=ignore&rs=1 I consider that strong eyewash.

Marlene, are you near Rangeley Lake? I've spent a lot of time there and love it. Sorry about the accident.

sbw

Have most of you given up on calling or writing your Reps and Senators?

Even in New York you have to tithe some time to tilt against windmills. I emailed my rep last night and have wrote a scathing editorial for today. More to come.

Let's hear it for Jimmy V. Never give up! Never, ever, give up!

Threadkiller

Daddy, your idea reminds me of this:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/filmmakers-document-quest-to-secure-congressional-earmark-for-museum-of-govt-waste/

Extraneus

Market's up 230, so investors are apparently loving the fiscal deal.

Clarice

Here's the final House vote:http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll659.xml

centralcal

Clarice - your Heritage link is wrong at 9:53 am.

Appalled

Captain:

I think Boehner's main mistake has been to try for really big deals involving lots of revenue, when there really is not support for that in his caucus. I don't think that speaks well of his caucus, but never mind...it is Boehner's job to understand the realities of his party. He is fortunate Obama never really took his first deal. If he could not deliver THAT, he would have been permanent toast as speaker, and even Ronald Reagan would not have been able to win the following eletion.

That said, I wonder whether the more full-throated approach (is that diplomatic enough?) advocated by many here would have worked. The choice WAS between high taxes on everyone, or just higher taxes on people over a certain high threshhold. I'm puzzled by the political utility of raising taxes on someone making $75K for a Don fight to preserve the lowest tax rates for Mitt Romney and Jon Corzine.

No blog today. I am just not feeling the love of my own voice, today.

Appalled

"Don fight" was supposed to be "Don Quixote fight". Arg.

NK

With all due respect to the honest and earnest JOM conservatives calling for "Boehner out", "what happened to Ryan" etc., I think there is disconnect between those earnest thoughts and reality, both arithmatic and political reality. As Sallozzo said about the Don-- tu pensa antiquita. These are NOT normal times. The US debt bomb is about to go off-- ugly truths about entitlement spending are about to be understood by the muddle. It will be revolutionary times for everyone, but the fervor will be displayed differently, by different factions for different reasons (the Left will demand the 'rich's' wealth be confiscated, Taxpayers will demand spending be cut, saying I'll take care of my own mom thank you.) These factional frictions will not be reconcilable by 'normal' politics. There will be a war-- and the war starts with the debt limit. Boehner is not a war leader-- nice guy from suburban ZinnZinatti but no war leader-- who will be the War Leaders? Methinks Cantor in the House and McConnell with Rand Paul as his public spokesman in the Senate. The dems will put out the tired olf Pelosi/Reid team, and BarryI will be on permanent VaCa and leave things to SloJoe and Geithner. Heh.. HehHeh...HAHA!! It will be terrible and tragic,the poor and the young will get it in the neck the worst. Be ready.

Threadkiller

"Let’s see, compact fluorescent lamps are feared as a fire hazard that could burn down your home, may damage skin, contain mercury so that if one is broken, a hazmat team is recommended to do cleanup, and cost much more than incandescents.

So of course the government is mandating that CFLs replace the older technology bulbs.

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The nation took another step in that direction today, with the ban on 75-watt bulbs taking effect. No more will be made in the U.S. or imported. They joined the 100-watt bulbs, which came under the same sentence of banishment a year ago. Next year, it’s the 40-watt and 60-watt bulbs that will go away.

The changes were set up by a law signed by former President George W. Bush in 2007 and has been promoted as a way to go green, and save energy..."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/75-watt-bulbs-gone-40s-60s-in-bulls-eye/#fFPTgrjupJZpy7uD.99

To all my friends at JOM who have not left the GOP, I want you to think about this.

You belong to the party that not only implemented this stupid ban, but also is impotent to stop it.

A. Light. Bulb. Ban.

Sounds stupid doesn't it?

Calling the Beltway Bozo's did not stop it, so leave the useless party. They will take notice.

Captain Hate

it is Boehner's job to understand the realities of his party.

He had two years to figure out what position he could take that would be acceptable to all. During that time he could've twisted arms and done the hard work of putting together a coalition that stood for something. There's no evidence he did any of that and to pull some last minute stunt in which he dumps on a small number of people and expects everybody to rally around him after that is a piss poor excuse for leadership.

Threadkiller

RNC/DNC Consent Decree, Captain.

That should be all you need to know...

boris

IMO the frustration is misplaced. Last November was a must win election.

This is what happens when must win elections fall short.

narciso

As AAS, is on the march, why wouldn't they be, this is a riot;


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/02/hillary-angst.html

jimmyk

Market's up 230, so investors are apparently loving the fiscal deal.

The market is a harlot. Remember the reaction to Geithner's nomination to Treasury? How'd that work out?

Threadkiller

O/T

http://cooperseeds.com/catalog/burgess-propane-insect-fogger-p1092.html

Has anyone here used one of these bug foggers?

I am having trouble finding the pesticide in So.Cal.(big surprise)

Melinda Romanoff

Headline algos, jimmyk, IMO.

Threadkiller

Where is Hit?

fdcol63

I turn 50 in a few months, and I've been a staunch Republican since I first registered at 18 years of age.

I'm a Republican because I believe in, you know, a REPUBLIC .... a representative Republic.

Ideologically, I'm a fiscal and national security Conservative, and fairly moderate socially.

I have always believed in our 2-party system, and still believe that this has created a far more politically stable system than we see in multiple party systems.

I don't like the idea of a 3rd party, at least in the long term, because it usually divides the electorate too much and usually prevents a party from gaining a simple majority of the vote that is necessary for a sense of "popular mandate" to legislate and govern effectively.

But I have sadly concluded that it's time for the GOP to die. The party's current leadership, IMHO, is no longer representing MY views or interests. They are no longer offering or effectively arguing the principles and values that I want from government.

Instead of offering me and other voters like me a clear difference between themselves and the Democrats, they are simply offering us "Dem-Lite" alternatives, and believe that they must compromise their core values and goals to pander to certain constituencies, especially the growing Hispanic bloc.

Baaah!

It's time for something else.

Extraneus

Plastic water bottles now illegal in Massachusetts town

A new ban on the sales of single-serving plastic water bottles has taken effect in Concord.

The ban began Tuesday and follows an April vote by Town Meeting, which made historic Concord one of the first communities in the nation to make the bottles illegal.

Stores will be fined up to $50 for violating the ban. An exemption is allowed during emergencies.

The new law was adopted after a three-year campaign by local activists. They pushed a return to tap water, saying banning the bottles will cut down on plastic waste and reduce the use of the fossil fuels used to make the bottles.

Businesses opposed the ban, saying it restricts of freedom of choice and will simply drive bottled water sales out of town.

narciso

He's still chasing the Khattalah rabbit, but no one else seems on the story at all;


http://freebeacon.com/the-ansar-al-sharia-threat/

Rob Crawford
Illinois is going for full gun confiscation in their next bill tonight

No, they're not. They're going for "confiscate the guns from the middle class", not "full gun confiscation".

The ghettos will still be armed camps; there's no way the left would crack down on the gangs that will form the bulk of their SA.

James D.

I'm sorry. Bohener can go to hell, along with most of the rest of the Rep "leadership."

I don't care how bad their position was; Bohener & co made it worse by refusing to understand their opposition, and their complete inability to make any arguments supporting their own side - or going after Zero in public.

As others have noted, the Hollywood tax breaks got stuffed into the 157 pages that Harry Reid sent Boehner to pass yesterday. How hard would it have been to get to a microphone and say something like:

"The President talks endlessly about the wealthty paying their fair share. So why did he and Joe Biden tell Harry Reid to stick a provision into this bill that gives multi-million dollar handouts to incredibly wealthty people like Steven Spielberg and Quentin Tarantino and Tom Cruise and Will Smith and the people who own Walt Disney Studios? Aren't they wealthy, too? Shouldn't they pay their fair share? Or are people who donated enough money to the Obama reelection campaign exempt from that?"

How freaking hard would that have been? Fight back! These jackasses ask us for our time and our effort and our money to elect them, but when it comes time to fight for the things they claim to believe in, and that we elected them to fight for, they can't be bothered, or they're afraid to because the media that already loathes and ridicules them will say (more) nasty things about them, and the public that already has no respect for them will, what, respect them even less? Or maybe they just don't know how to fight.

jimmyk

It's time for something else.

To elaborate on an earlier post, let's start a movement to target 50 or so Rs in the House and at least Graham in the Senate, and get strong Tea Party Republicans (not O'Donnell types but Ted Cruz types) to oppose them for the R nomination. I don't think a third party is realistic, but replacing the real toadies is.

Extraneus

The ones who do fight seem to get taken out by others from within party.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Where was that picture from, I couldn't find the source?

Posted by: narciso | January 02, 2013 at 01:21 AM--

That was no picture, that was my wife.

jimmyk

That was no picture, that was my wife.

Amazing what you can do with the internet now.

Best wishes to her for the New Year.

narciso

Everything is cyclical, in the 20s, the GOP pushed forward a solid agenda, and even in 1930, in the outset of the Depression they held the majority, then they went into basic hibernation till '46, and then the next forty years after that, until the next wave, crikey, that's a depressing review,

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I may get hammered for this but we'll just have to see;
I think this may have been a fairly good deal because it was only the first half of the whole deal.
IF and this is a very big, as in elephantine, IF, the Repubs can handle the second phase on spending cuts and the debt ceiling proficiently then it will have been a good tradeoff.
Taxes are going up on income above $450K but the most onerous and economically harmful taxes on investment are not or only are slightly. If they can parlay that into, most importantly, some type of entitlement reform, which is far more important than peanut discretionary spending cuts then it seems to me it will have turned out about as well as can be expected.
I realize the odds of them doing anything proficiently, or even not stupidly, are minimal but I'll reserve final judgment on how good or bad it was until the second half of this process is concluded.

Threadkiller

What mandates a second half to the deal?

narciso

Sorry for being so impertinet, Ignatz, best wishes for her, in the New Year,

Maybe with a new crew, they can push forward, otherwise this is like returning Rex Ryan, Norv
Turner, or that Schirmer fellow, the triumph of 'hope over experience'

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Amazing what you can do with the internet now.--

I was only kidding jimmy, but she did have a pair of acid washed jeans at one time which made that pic so nostalgic and familiar looking for me.

I learned very early in the relationship the value of clumsily dropping whatever I was carrying so that I had to catch up to her from behind. :)

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--What mandates a second half to the deal?

Posted by: Threadkiller | January 02, 2013 at 10:48 AM--

Not sure there is a "mandate" but the debt ceiling cometh and, as I read it, they agreed to put off dealing with sequestration for a couple of months.
If they extract meaningful concessions over the debt ceiling then they did about as well as can be expected, if they were going to play the game.
It may have been better not to have played at all, but we'll have to see.

narciso

Jacobsen seems to agree with the consensus here;

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/01/to-say-that-republicans-in-congress-folded-like-a-cheap-suit-is-an-insult-to-cheap-suits/#comments

Clarice

Sorry about the failed Heritage link This should work.http://blog.heritage.org/2013/01/02/morning-bell-taxes-to-rise-on-most-american-workers/?roi=echo3-14141204888-10828315-b5bfa2f7ea3104a69d9591d2c5c023fe&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

hit and run

TK:
Where is Hit?

I'm here. In fact, I've found that wherever I go, I am always "here".

BTW, saw your note to DoT on his anniversary.

I would like to wish a New Year's Eve Happy Anniversary! to you and Extraneus as well (although not to each other [as far as I know]).

Clarice

Boris is right. You can't remake things holding only the House.

Clarice

Nick Gillespie at Reason thinks this deal will lead to reduced spending.http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/02/fiscal-cliff-deal-raises-taxes-delays-se

NK

I agree with Ig and Clarice that on this Tax Rate issue, the Repubs did well-- seriously. They of course helped their personal positions and their main supporters small business and family taxpayers. I have a different take on the NEXT PART-- the Debt Limit and spending. IMO-- the next 6 months will be the end of 'NORMAL' politics in the USA. In february BarryI hauls out the DEFAULT GUN MelR has referenced. He'll either DEFAULT on interest payments or order Geithner to issue phony-baloney T-Bills and order Bernanke to buy them with printed money-- UNLESS the Repubs increase the debt Limit 6 Trillion to carry BarryI until the end of his reign with NO SPENDING CUTS. PERIOD. Either BarryI threat would destroy the capital/market based US economy. Tough spot for Repubs-- tougher spot for professional Dem politicians. IMO-- a war starts and US politics breaks down into 2 Radicalized parties-- a socialist party and and a market ecoomy party. The political clarity JOM craves!! Be careful what you wish for....

Captain Hate

I think this may have been a fairly good deal because it was only the first half of the whole deal.

I might agree with you were it not for that Plan B nonsense which was an illustration of total ineptitude when it comes to herding cats. I lost all confidence in Boehner at that point; plus his inability to state an articulate position (which might have something to do with what Janet said about the MFM not providing an unbiased forum).

Chubby

I am surprised to learn that Cantor voted against, (thought he was Boehner's top support guy), and that Ryan voted with Boehner. I wonder how Cantor would do as Speaker. Don't know that much about him, but he seems to have an air of being both sharper and tougher than Boehner.

centralcal

Rep. King (and Sen. Schumer) are both in high dudgeon mode over the House not taking up the Sandy Relief Bill right this minute.

Gotta give Gabriel Malor some credit for pointing out the grotesque spending, unrelated to Sandy victims, that are included in the bill:

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Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor

Sandy relief shouldn't include $4 million for the Kennedy Space Center.

Sandy relief shouldn't include $20 million for a nationwide "Water Resources Priorities Study".

Sandy relief shouldn't include $188 million for new Amtrak lines (not repair, whole new lines).

Sandy relief shouldn't include $100 million for the federal Head Start day care program.

Sandy relief shouldn't include $41 million for eight military bases including Guantanamo Bay.

Sandy relief shouldn't include $56.8 million for charting the debris from last year's Japanese tsunami.

Sandy relief shouldn't include $5.3B to the Army Corps of Engineers (that's more than their annual budget).

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Oh, and there is even more, but you get the idea.

narciso

There are some large crumbs, taken off the table;


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/01/Fiscal-cliff-deal-kills-CLASS-Act

Chubby

CC there should be a rule that bills have to stick to their topic, and must be about only what they are about, and nothing else. Porkbarreling is used to camoflage so much.

Melinda Romanoff

Anybody else notice that iBama boogied before signing anything? CNBC just figured it out.

NK

MelR@11:12-- translation please!

NJ Jan

In the spirit of urgency of now, JEF left town for Hawaii without signing bill.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/obama-in-hawaii-fiscal-cliff-standoff-behind-him/

narciso

'you're fracking kidding me, right;


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/01/01/Governor-to-sue-NCAA-over-Penn-State-sanctions

narciso

They are swift over there, aren't they.

Melinda Romanoff

NK-

There is no agreement until Choom inks it.

Janet

Look at the Obama's New Years picture. It is terrible. Michelle's head looks huge! Oh my goodness. Her face starts over Obama's head & ends at the base of his neck! Good Lord!
Givin' Jim Webb a run for his money....

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