Until They Repeal The Law Of Unintended Consequences...

From Reuters:

Gun checks soar 39 percent, set new record: FBI

December broke the record set in November, the month of Obama's re-election. Christmas always spurs sales but the renewed talk of legislation lit the fire.

Comments

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

They also had the greatest # of background checks ever in a one month period.

[Danube of Thought]

They're going to lose.

[Danube of Thought]

They're going to lose.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

They're going to lose.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

I could explain, but....

[narciso]

If it was a Times piece, it would be Butterfieldian, after Fox Butterfield, who couldn't understand why crime went down, as more people were arrested.

[fdcol63]

And ammo and high capacity mags (especially David Gregory's favorites) are in short supply now.

[Free State Paul]

Propaganda of the Deed.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Who is "They" Dot?

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Wow

[Clarice]

wow, what?

[matt]

I tried to buy a couple of boxes of .22 Long at three different places over the holidays and each of them was sold out.

The girl at one of them said it had been the busiest time she has ever experienced in 10 years at the store. Prices have also soared.

In other news Sully is leaving the Beast to start his own pay site. Ha!

[Clarice]

Ironic, now that something's really up in Isfahan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xfug_ncuP9o

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

From the last thread by DoT;
--I don't know how the State Troopers are going to go about enforcing that law. Will they get warrants to enter the households?--

If Ill acts on this law they have a very large problem which transcends their State machine, it seems to me.

After Heller and MacDonald (which was a Chicago case after all) anyone who has a gun confiscated or is even subject to search is going to eventually have a very large civil rights case against the state and whatever locality might have been involved in the deal.
As long as Heller and MacDonald are intact the potential liability of Ill or Chicago trying to pull off what they're talking about is immense, almost off the charts.

[Soylent Red]

Bought 4x high cap mags for one of my rifles the day after Newtown. Prices went up 200% overnight and 400%-ish to date.

If I would have bought stock in 2008 in some of these companies, I'd be typing this at my sunny tropical compound.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

I am sure there are many IL plaintiff lawyers salivating at the prospect of filing a class action Sec. 1983 claim against anyone who attempts to implement this patently unconstitutional law.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

"Who is 'They' Dot?"

The anti-gun nuts.

The anti-gun nuts.

The anti-gun nuts.

[narciso]

That reminds me of this program;

http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2012/12/latma-has-a-new-show.php

It all starts to make sense now, lol

[Jane on Ipad]

Hmmmm, should it be: who Are they? I swear I get dumber by the day.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Florida has brought to the Sugar Bowl an large assortment of young ladies who are far to beefy to be clad as scantily as they are.

[narciso]

Hey, being cryptic is my job,

[Clarice]

matt, I hope Sully's not counting on making a living on his for pay blog. Like many who contributed to his original blog, he suckered me once and not again.

[fdcol63]

DoT, they're corn-fed Gainesville girls. LOL

[Janet]

Powerline has a lovely post on the real Men of the Year.

[narciso]

Without a doubt, Janet,

[Melinda Romanoff]

The bill is passed out of committee. It goes to the floor for a "pro forma" vote tomorrow.

This will be fun. Will there be rampant violations of the 4th in Chicago starting Friday? Hmmm, I'm not taking any bets.

[Gus]

The record sales we are seeing vis a vis guns, is really really bad news for LIBTARDS. They have created an armed and ready opposition. And clearly these Marxists/Alynskyites, have no idea whom they are trying to oppress.

[Beasts of England]

Looks like UF may need to suit up those beefy young ladies... Wow - shocker!

[narciso]

Ney Gus, I didn't you and henry, went to the same alma mater;

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2013/01/finally-zero-dark-thirty-gets-its-very-own-senate-probe/60526/

[Melinda Romanoff]

And here's the quality of reporting that passes for Chicago news these days.

Todd has outlined what's in all the amendments, it's going to be a full grab.

[Gus]

Narciso, Henry has a MUCH MUCH higher Pedigree than me. He is a very very very accomplished dude. I am not kidding Narciso. He and I are friends here in Wisconsin, but he's an Ivy League grad. I don't think it's my business to say anymore!!! I was Magna Cum laude at a State School!!!

[narciso]

Maybe they can replace the Florida bench, yikes.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Janet, the San Diego Union-Tribune named Doherty and Woods their Men of the Year.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Ah.

There are TWO confiscatory bills pending floor votes. Just in case.

[Rick Ballard]

"have no idea whom they are trying to oppress"

Sure they do. I don't have any more problem with participating in jury nullification involving a security apparat getting shot in the face while trying to grab guns than I do with a tax evader but you just can't count on me being on the jury if you shoot a fascist agent.

I anticipate a sudden increase in reported burglaries involving stolen guns in Illinois until the Supremes boot this idiocy. Maybe a small increase in machine oil and shovel sales as well.

[Gus]

Danube, my State Dept Bro, called me the day after Benghazi (Sept 12), he simply said. "Gus, those 2 dudes...C.I.A". He is coming in from Denver Friday for the Packers Playoff WIN vs Minnesota. After he goes back to Denver. It's off to Libya. He's paid his dues, and he'll do his duty, and further...HE ISN'T A CONSERVATIVE, he's a-political. But he NOW has his doubts about The COCOA WONDERBOY.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Rick-

The thefts will be massive. I may be an unknowing victim, to date.

[Gus]

Rick, they aren't smart enough to realize who and what they are up against, is what I meant. George Washington et al, were told to give up their guns too. How'd that work out?

[Melinda Romanoff]

G'night all.

[daddy]

On Elmendorf/Fort Richardson Military Base 3 days back, while getting a hair cut and buying groceries, I stopped at the gun counter in the Base Exchange to look at what is new for Bear Insurance.

The guy recommended a Glock 10, but said he couldn't show it to me because they were so out of stock of just about everything.

No surprise to anyone paying attention at all.

[Clarice]

Night, Mel.

[Captain Hate]

matt, I hope Sully's not counting on making a living on his for pay blog.

I'd pay money to never hear about Sully's worthless existence ever again.

[Gus]

Goodnight Melinda!

[Danube of Thought iPad]

Daddy, I hope you're not thinking about a Glock for insurance against grizzlies.

[Gus]

Sullivan can always pretend he's CONSERVATIVE and gain MANY THOUSANDS of subcribers!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaahahaha.
Does anyone remember LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS!???
Hhahahahahahahahahah And Charlie the Goat effer Johnson!!!!!!???
Precious stuff.

[narciso]

And this is kind of too precious,

http://www.france24.com/en/20130102-monti-criticises-berlusconi-launches-campaign?ns_campaign=editorial&ns_source=RSS_public&ns_mchannel=RSS&ns_fee=0&ns_linkname=20130102_monti_criticises_berlusconi_launches_campaign

[narciso]

'Well isn't that convenient'

http://www.soopermexican.com/2013/01/02/man-bear-pig-hypocrisy-al-gore-sold-current-tv-before-january-1st-to-save-on-taxes/

[Captain Hate]

LGF used to be a fun place before Cahrlse Snoohjn lost what little tiny mind he had and just became a boring smooth jazz guitar playing bicycle riding paranoid idiot. Then it became so pathetic I didn't even stick around to get banned.

[narciso]

She really 'chose poorly' in this endeavor, I'm speaking of Feinstein, of course;

http://theothermccain.com/2013/01/02/ted-cruz-vows-to-lead-opposition-to-diane-feinsteins-gun-grab-bill/

[Gus]

Capn' you didn't have to stick around to get banned. They actually ban people posthumously. Charlie the Goat Effer, is and always WAS a nut job with a pony tail.
I however got ACE to ban me. And I did NOTHING to deserve it!!! Can you sense my PRIDE????

[Rick Ballard]

Gus,

Nullification was a necessary precursor to the Declaration. Jury nullification predated the revolution by about 30 years and it was the growing use of nullification by the colonies which made Georgie and his parliament resort to other means.

We're seeing some fine examples of nullification being exercised wrt to dope - it will be amusing to watch the lefty pretzel twisters explain the black and white difference between Colorado legalizing weed and Oklahoma authorizing continuing sales of 30 round magazines, regardless of whatever the DC fascists enact.

Nullification first.

[Gus]

Rick. You are using LOGIC and PRECEDENT. Libs use BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Therein lies their (LIBTARDS) BEEEEG problem.
We are locked and loaded. Libtards do not take NO for an answer to ANYTHING. We are not talking about POLICY, we are talking about POWER. They over reach, and we MUST take this Country back.

[Ralph L]

the potential liability of Ill or Chicago trying to pull off what they're talking about is immense
They know they'll be in bankruptcy court by the time any suits get rolling.

[Captain Hate]

Ace was an idiot to ban you, Gus. Night all.

[narciso]

Ok, the Bronson Pinchot reference confused me, Gus, now for something completely different, in the LUN, the rest are probably borderline NSFW.

[Danube of Thought iPad]

If Illinois passes and even attempts to enforce this law, it's going to be a fiasco of incalculable dimension. I really, really hope they try.

If there is to be a revolution, let it begin right there, right now.

[Gus]

Who is that Narciso!?

[Gus]

Goodnight Capn. Capn, do you remember what ACE attacked me about??

[narciso]

Karen Gillan, the most recent of the Doctor's companions who happens to be a redhead, or as they say a ginger.

[narciso]

Who knows, anymore, he was verklempt today about the time travel paradox in Looper.

[Gus]

Narciso, my family is full of Gingers!!!!
A teen employee of mine who is like a nephew to me, is a Ginger. He had a Packers #12 Jersey on, and I asked a customer at my business, what his name should be......SHE GOT IT.
GINGER RODGERS.
Karen Gillan should be gorgeous, when she becomes LEGAL.

[Gus]

Danube, your comment should have been the clarion call last night/night before by the REPUBS. If we don't stand for something NOW....then WHEN???
Ron Johnson and Paul Ryan voted YES.

[narciso]

She's actually 25, but she doesn't look it, that was dissapointing on Johnson's part, in this, it seems a bridge too far, to trade, for limited utility,

[narciso]

Have we been watching the same last year;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323874204578217852669300688.html?mod=WSJ_GoogleNews

[Gus]

Sanchez may suck. He may be good. The JETS are dysfunctional. They fired TANNENBAUM, (how lovely were his branches). You don't build a crap team around a young QB in general. Favre, who coincidentally played for the JETS (briefly..pun intended), preceded Sanchez. Aaron Rodgers, who slipped to pick 25 in the draft, sat on his talented ass, in Green Bay, and learned. Not from FAVRE, but from Professional coaches who recognized Rodgers abilities in their raw state. Sanchez can still be a very very good pro-QB, but not for the JETS. He's been whipped and mutilated by the team, the GM, the Coach and the Media.
Rodgers is the best and most talented QB in the League now. Yes of course I am biased, but Rodgers can do things NO OTHER QB can, and he's won the big one. He SAT for 3 full years. He just turned 29 a couple weeks ago, and he has thrown for 25000 yards after sitting for 3 years.

[xbradtc]

The only upside to the GOP collapse on the edge of the cliff is, every time the deficit is raised in discussion, we can point out that Obama's precious tax on the rich hasn't even slowed the rate of growth of the deficit.

"Oh, the rich are paying their fair share now. Why is the deficit still increasing?"

[Gus]

Yes Brad, and the MARXISTS will say.... THE GOP AGREED WITH US.

[xbradtc]

The obvious reply is:

Well, we tried it your way. It failed.

[Gus]

Brad, Obama and his ilk have ZERO interest in ever being held accountable, WIN nor LOSE. My friend... Obama is a MARXIST. You CANNOT deal/negotiate with HIM. Each and EVERY time the WEEEEPING JOHNNY BOEHNER gets his candy ass handed to him, Obama moves to the NEXT MARXIST victory. Milllllllllllllllllllionaires AND Billlllllllllllllllllllllllllionaires IS THE BLUNT OBJECT. The MFM and IDIOT MASSES HAVE BOUGHT THE CLASS WARFARE. Brad, the MILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIONAIRES and BILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIONAIRES are NOW, ANYONE WITH MORE THAN OBAMA'S PROLETARIAT.
The MARXIST IN CHIEF is not PLAYING!!! His attempt, is to BRING DOWN our CAPITALIST Society and culture.
Obama does not share yours, nor my normal American values.

[Gus]

Bottom Line. And Any JOM'er, please correct me where you see or feel that I am wrong.
Obama does nor fear, nor does he CARE about whether WE/AMERICA ever went over a FISCAL CLIFF. He cannot be SHAMED, because he has NO FEAR of the CONSEQUENCES of AMERICA being BANKRUPT. Obama has ZERO CONCEPT of Money, nor how it is created. Obama has ZERO CONCEPT of any ECONOMY, nor how the money he spends without any responsibility comes from. Lastly, Obama has NEVER been a responsible nor fiscal Man. His personal finances have always been GIVEN to him, and once an adult, Obama was always living BEYOND his means. IN SHORT. Obama is economically illiterate and has been irresponsible in his own lifes finances. He is an IDEOLOGICAL MARXIST.

[Jimmyk]

"Oh, the rich are paying their fair share now. Why is the deficit still increasing?"

xbrad, you'll never hear the first of that sentence from the left. Ever.

Very enjoyable but all too brief rendezvous with NK, JiB, Mrs JiB, and Frederick. Now off to sunny but bankrupt CA, with DoT and perhaps TK tonight. I brought my BC just in case.

[Jimmyk]

Sorry, delete "of that" from my previous post.

[marlene]

Good Morning! Happy New Congress Day! I was going to be sarcastic and predict that our new Senator,Angus King will become a media darling. Sure enough,he will be interviewed by Tom Brokaw on tonight's NBC Nightly News and on Sunday will appear on Meet the Press.
Wonderful news about Sue. Ccal,are you getting updates?

[Jane: Mock the Media]

Are you guys aware that the fiscal cliff bill included about a kajillion dollars for Goldman Sachs?

[marlene]

Jane, your state has a new Senator today also. : )

[Melinda Romanoff]

iBama autopens the cliff deal.

[Melinda Romanoff]

And it looks like the US banking system fended off the planned Asian assault. Only a couple of issues at smaller banks here. More later.

[Melinda Romanoff]

But MSFT's servers get taken out, for now.

[henry]

Mel, got a link for the MSFT server thing?

[pagar]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-how-corporate-tax-credits-got-in-the-cliff-deal/article/2517397#.UOTPwUbDVSJ

"GE, Goldman Sachs, Diageo -- they planted their seeds over the summer. They'll enjoy the fruit in the new year."

While taxpayers pay and pay and pay forever.

[narciso]

'Down the rabbit hole, we go, as Fitz proved to be everything they accused Starr of being;

http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2013/01/01/the-truth-about-the-valerie-plame-case-10-years-later/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+illinoispaytoplay%2FNfhA+%28Illinois+Pay+To+Play%29

[narciso]

Yes Comey, was the operator here. but Fitz continued the fiction, because Armitage was demmed not to be touched, despite he would subsequently play a part in the future Abu Ghraib
scandal,

[pagar]

Narciso, the same site has this link:

http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/12/30/nadhmi-auchi-further-outed-by-john-shaw-thanks-to-doug-ross/

which leads one to:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/12/arab-money-and-purchase-of-president.html?m=0

Bad, bad news for America!

[Melinda Romanoff]

Sorry, hemry, no link. More of a hiccup than downtime.

[henry]

OK Mel, the tech blogs will get them later.

[cathyf]

from pagar's 8:36 link:

A Republican Senate aide familiar with the cliff negotiations tells me the White House wanted permanent extensions of a whole slew of corporate tax credits. When Senate Republicans said no, "the White House insisted that the exact language" of the Baucus bill be included in the fiscal cliff deal. "They were absolutely insistent," another aide tells me. (The White House did not return requests for comment.)

Sure enough, Title II of the fiscal cliff legislation is nearly a word-for-word replication of the Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012.

WTF? Why couldn't the House republicans pick that as an issue to scream about?

[Melinda Romanoff]

For anyone interested, here is one of the bills voted out of committee in the Illinois Senate. All the fun stuff is in the amendments.

[Rob Crawford]

WTF? Why couldn't the House republicans pick that as an issue to scream about?

What makes you think they weren't? Because you didn't hear them?

The enemy controls the lines of communication; our objections will never be heard.

[Janet]

The enemy controls the lines of communication; our objections will never be heard.

Excellent, Rob. That was my point yesterday.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Don't have time to look it up so could someone distill the worst parts of the Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012?

[AliceH]

Ig: Cut/Paste from NRA-ILA article

Among other things, House Bill 815 would:

- Prohibit anyone without a FOID card from using a commercial shooting range, which in many cases would make it impossible to introduce new shooters to the safe and responsible use of firearms.

- Grant the State Police broad discretion to impose design, construction and operation standards that could shut down most commercial shooting ranges.

- Ban possession of magazines and other feeding devices that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition. A "grandfather clause" would require registration by owners of such devices and give the State Police discretion to impose and charge fees. Registration would require "proof of ownership" that could be impossible for most people to provide, and even registered owners could not transfer magazines within Illinois, except to an heir or a licensed dealer. Transfers of "grandfathered magazines" would have to be reported to the ISP.

- Violations of this magazine ban would be a felony. Failure to report theft or loss of a magazine would be a misdemeanor until the third violation, which would be a felony.

House Bill 1263 would:

- Ban, at a minimum, all detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and pistols. Remington 7400 deer rifles, Ruger 10/22 squirrel guns, Glocks, 1911s, etc. This ban would include about 80% of handguns now sold in the U.S.

- Possibly ban all semi-automatic rifles and even revolvers or single-shot pistols with the capacity to accept muzzle brakes or compensators.

- Ban "assault weapon attachments," so possession of a thumbhole stock, a pistol grip,or a fore-end (a "shroud" that "partially or completely encircles the barrel") would be a crime even if you didn't possess a firearm.

- Ban all .50 BMG rifles.

- Contains "grandfather" provisions that would require registration by owners of devices and give the State Police discretion to impose and charge fees. Registration would require "proof of ownership."

- Create felony penalties for violation of this ban on guns or attachments.

- Create lost and stolen penalties that would criminalize victims of gun theft.

[Melinda Romanoff]

AliceH-

Ig was asking about the Baucus bill inserted into the fiscal cliff deal. Massive tax breaks to reliable corporate donors. I'll go at it a bit later.

[AliceH]

Mel/Ig: Yeah, realized that the instant I pressed POST.

MUCH harder to find/summarize that mess than the IL gun grab - it will either take me a while longer, or I'll give up trying. Sorry.

[henry]

WSJ has an editorial today that covers the "high" points of the crony tax bill.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Thanks Alice,anyway.
I'll note before I run that California's intrepid legislators banned 50 BMG caliber weapons seven or eight years ago.
Since then the number of crimes committed in this state with 50 BMG caliber firearms has fallen precipitously from zero all the way down to zero.
In fact that low, low crime rate exactly matches the number of crimes committed with a 50 BMG firearm in the rest of the country where they are still legal; zero.

[matt]

by the way, Iggy, when I was in a gun store the other day, here in the People's Republic of California and noticed a Barrett in .416 Barrett, a model that can, apparently, be sold legally in California.

It's all a farce.

[pagar]

O/T but touching, IMO.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/01/03/photo-baby-reaches-out-from-the-womb/

I don't see how anyone can look at this picture and believe that abortion is not murder.

[Joey Bagadonuts]

"[Illinois] Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans"

http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/democrats-pull-plug-on-gun-ammo-bans/article_32f17fc4-55db-11e2-a7a7-001a4bcf887a.html

[AliceH]

Joey@3:15 - Hooray! Thanks for the update.