When Life Hands You Policy Lemons...

With unexpected candor the NY Times puts a big smiley face on Obama's likely gun control proposals:

Obama Gun Proposal to Look Beyond Mass Shootings

He's a big picture guy! And we learn why in the opening paragraph:

A new federal assault weapons ban and background checks of all gun buyers, which President Obama is expected to propose on Wednesday, might have done little to prevent the massacre in Newtown, Conn., last month. The semiautomatic rifle that Adam Lanza used to shoot 20 schoolchildren and 6 adults complied with Connecticut’s assault weapons ban, the police said, and he did not buy the gun himself.

So his "solutions" to Newtown wouldn't actually solve Newtown. Well, the Connecticut assault weapon ban does focus on scary cosmetic issues like the presence of a grenade launcher fitting.

But another proposal that Mr. Obama is expected to make could well have slowed Mr. Lanza’s rampage: banning high-capacity magazines, like the 30-round magazines that the police said Mr. Lanza used, which have been factors in several other recent mass shootings.

"Slowed the rampage"? Are they kidding? Left unmentioned by the Times - Adam Lanza had two semiautomatic pistols with him as well as the SA rifle. He also put between three and eleven bullets in each victim, so he did not seem to be pressed for either time or ammunition. And the shooter at Va Tech killed thirty-two people with two handguns and ten and fifteen round magazines. So in the specific case of Adam Lanza, the problem was neither the "assault weapon" (seemingly acquired legally under the Connecticut ban on assault weapons) nor the thirty round magazines.

Well, never let a crisis go to waste! Since Obama's proposals are a bit tangential to the Newtwon shooting, what is his point?

...But some of the proposals that Mr. Obama is expected to make at the White House on Wednesday, which are likely to include a call for expanded background checks, a ban on assault weapons and limits on high-capacity clips, will be intended not only to prevent high-profile mass shootings, but also to curb the more commonplace gun violence that claims many thousands more lives every year.

“The president has made clear that he intends to take a comprehensive approach,” Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, said Tuesday. Mr. Carney said the proposals were aimed, broadly, at what he called “the scourge of gun violence in this country.”

As Nick Gillespie notes, the scourge of gun violence has been falling for twenty years; if the crisis is random mass shootings (which have been trendless for the last thirty years), maybe the President could respond to that.

The Times dips their toe in the deep waters of reality:

While semiautomatic rifles were used in several recent mass shootings, including those in Newtown and in Aurora, Colo., where 12 people were killed at a movie theater in July, a vast majority of gun murders in the United States are committed with handguns.

In 2011, 6,220 people were killed by handguns, and 323 by rifles, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. So while the administration is expected to try to restrict some types of assault weapons, it is also focusing on ways to keep more commonly used firearms out of the hands of dangerous criminals and people with mental illness.

They segue to point/counterpoint on background checks:

The top priority of many gun control groups is to expand the background checks so that they apply to all buyers. All federally licensed firearms dealers are required to run background checks through the computerized databases that comprise the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. But the requirement does not cover guns that are sold by unlicensed sellers at gun shows and in other private sales, which account for about 40 percent of gun purchases in the country.

But...

Better background checks would have had little effect on several recent mass shootings — both Mr. Lanza, in Connecticut, and Jacob T. Roberts, who opened fire on a mall full of Christmas shoppers a few days earlier in Clackamas, Ore., were using weapons that they did not buy. But gun control groups say that expanded background checks would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals and people with mental illness, and would go a long way toward increasing public safety and could help prevent mass shootings.

Well, it might help. The Webster shooting in upstate NY was perpetrated by a mentally ill felon who was not legally allowed to purchase weapons, so he persuaded a friend to buy some for him. She is being charged with making a false declaration on a Federal form, but how about charging her as a co-conspirator in the crimes committed with the guns she helped purchase? That might require a change in the law (which lets her off the hook) but it would surely give future would-be straw purchasers pause.

Well. For a flavor of the scourge of violence Obama is trying to turn back, let's clip this non-fatal shooting from today's paper:

Judge Rejects Victim’s Plea and Sentences Teenager to 18 Years in Shooting

By RUSS BUETTNER

A Harlem woman who was shot in the stomach by a teenager aiming at rival gang members asked a judge on Tuesday to show leniency in his sentencing.

In a letter that was read in court by the teenager’s lawyer, the victim said that while the shooting had put her and her neighbors “at severe risk,” she also believed the boy had “the potential one day to be a valuable member of the community.”

The teenager, Troy Folk, who was 16 at the time of the shooting and turned 18 on Monday, was convicted by a jury last month of assault and criminal possession of a weapon in the shooting. He faced up to 25 years in prison.

So, how did he get this gun and why was he shooting it?

During the trial last month, Andrew Warshawer, an assistant district attorney, said Mr. Folk and an accomplice, Carl Flournoy, had picked up the gun at the St. Nicholas Houses, where they lived, and set out to taunt members of a rival gang. But they were outnumbered and ran, with the rival gang members in chase.

Mr. Folk turned and fired, Mr. Warshawer told jurors. Though Mr. Folk has maintained that it was Mr. Flournoy who fired the gun, the evidence at the trial included a recorded phone call from Rikers Island in which Mr. Folk said he could escape prosecution “if the woman I shot” did not testify before the grand jury.

And the woman was shot totally by accident as a bystander on the street.

So stricter background checks, crackdowns on straw purchases, and better liason with mental health professionals will help with this sort of behavior?

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE SECRET SERVICE WAS PROTECTION ENOUGH...

Obama plans to surround himself with children during gun control announcement

 

Comments

[Mark Folkestad]

First?

[Mark Folkestad]

I'm shaking my head over that Harlem woman asking for mercy for the gangsta who shot her "by accident". I'd be there asking for the death penalty, and begging to administer the lethal injection myself.

I'm waiting for the other shoe (or shoe store) to drop when Emperor Barry I announces his imperial decrees. The narcissist-in-chief really does think that he received a mandate from the electorate to do anything he wishes.

[matt]

One of the practices in the ghetto back in the day was to rent guns. The owner could say the gun was stolen if it was id'd.

This often used to happen on weekends. Not sure if it still does occur.

The children are hostages, TM....

[PDinDetroit]

Now comes the oppression of a Tyrant hell-bent on depriving the Rights of Persons when it is clear to all involved that New Gun Control Laws will not stop the next Sandy Hook.

It was a nice American Experiment while it lasted...

[Rob Crawford]

Will the stricter penalties on straw purchasers cover the BATFE?

[Porchlight]

I mentioned in the earlier thread that a friend's niece was one of the children invited to the WH and that I didn't know how she was chosen. I forgot. She wrote a letter to the WH, probably at a teacher's direction. ABC published them here.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/kids-write-letters-to-obama-on-gun-control/

[Melinda Romanoff]

With this High Capacity ban, what's Cosmopolitan going to do?

[narciso]

There is occasionally some sanity in my fishwrap, but they have to import it from their TV critic

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3182521/myths-about-assault-weapons.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Well, it might help. The Webster shooting in upstate NY was perpetrated by a mentally ill felon who was not legally allowed to purchase weapons, so he persuaded a friend to buy some for him. She is being charged with making a false declaration on a Federal form, but how about charging her as a co-conspirator in the crimes committed with the guns she helped purchase? That might require a change in the law but it would surely give straw purchasers pause.--

Unless you can prove she knew what he was going to do with them, which I believe is already sufficient grounds for tougher charges, seems to me it would be tough to constitutionally change a law to charge her as a co-conspirator in a crime she didn't know about, beyond the crime of being a straw purchaser.

[Porchlight]

My friend is beaming with pride on Facebook at the blatant exploitation of her niece. Pheh.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

And completely eliminating straw purchases would have approximately zero effect on crime since there are so many other illicit ways for ex cons to acquire guns.

[Jack is Back!]

Rush called them human shields.

Boortz noted how despots like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Kim-yung whoever, all cover themselves with children to soften their image.

I wonder if they will break out into "Barack Hussein Obama, mmmmm, mmmmm, mm"

[Jack is Back!]

Mean't to add that 23 is the new 19.

Reminds me of the 23 enigma.

[Rob Crawford]

And completely eliminating straw purchases...

Is impossible so long as the BATFE is allowed to order FFLs to go along with them.

[narciso]

Well the Times managed to find 'the dark cloud' in the silver lining of the North Dakota fracking
boom, too many men, harassing too few women, or something.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Porch-

Wasn't it called Blaxploitation back in the 70's?

[Porchlight]

Rush called them human shields.

Heh. That's going to get him into trouble, I think.

Seriously, though, even if I was pro-gun control I would think this was terrible.

[NK]

For those of you outside the NY metro area, national homicide statistics WILL spike by several hundred starting in 2014 when Federal Court ordered injunctions against NYPD "stop and frisk" fully go into effect. In 2012, NYC had about 420 homicides (including one --Etan Patz-- who was murdered in 1979, but wasn't classified as a homicide until 2012 when his body was discovered. ) That's a miraculous number-- when you exclude domestic disputes, drunk driving homicides and organized crime assassinations, that leaves very few disorganized crime shootings on the street, and almost no shot cops and bystanders. A miracle. The Lefty Federal Judge is about to end that miracle by ending NYPD stop and frisk. The thugs will be able to carry and use their guns on the streets again. The thugs will shoot each other by the hundreds every year, but many cops and innocents will be shot and killed as well. The national homicide rate will spike.

[Porchlight]

Wasn't it called Blaxploitation back in the 70's?

Yep.

What do we call it here? Kidsploitation? We need a special term.

[henry]

Well JiB, the Illiminatus! need 23 to release chthulu.

[marlene]

Porchlight,what is the age of your friend's niece? Seems likely that a teacher gave her students a "writing project."
rse,any thoughts?

[Rob Crawford]

Well. If there were a Whole Foods around, I'd stop in one just for their CEO saying this:

“Technically speaking, it’s more like fascism,” Mackey said of the Affordable Care Act. “Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn’t own the means of production, but they do control it, and that’s what’s happening with our healthcare programs and these reforms.”

[Porchlight]

marlene, she is 11. I haven't heard but I would be astounded if it wasn't a teacher-directed classroom or schoolwide project.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Rob-

That's a new conversion, I believe he was an Obamabot for the 1st iteration.

[NK]

CaptH-- we mentioned PJ Carlesimo a few weeks back-- he's actual now the 'acting' head coach of the Brooklyn Nets (and doing well through about 10 games); here's an interview with the NYPost from yesterday. I had no idea PJ had such a basketball and sports pedigree -- DreamTeam asst in '92 Olympics, Bobby Knight Coach K connection-- VINCE LOMBARDI? http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/serby_special_with_carlesimo_nHiPWGS0UgUyKKIJsMoACM

[Frau Wut]

Onkel Adolf had his little yutes who met in uniform on Sundays to march and sing--right at the very time of morning services.

In my day, my pupils/students wrote letters to the city council complaining about dogs leaving stinky messes on the playground. Today, there are signs at all the school entrances, telling dog owners to stay out--all ignored, of course.

Wake me when it's time to march on D.C. and throw our shoes over the WH fence.

[Extraneus]

even if I was pro-gun control I would think this was terrible

No you wouldn't, because you'd be an immoral leftist, giddy with power, for whom the ends justify the means.

These people have been waiting and hoping for years that someone would kill a bunch of kids, and they finally got their wish. Who cares if the proposed solutions have nothing to do with the crime?

Does anyone think the monstrous NY bill was drafted in a month? It's like Obamacare: years in the making, with hundreds or thousands of drones involved, waiting, clawing, scratching like rats at the pantry door.

[AliceH]

Here's the list: http://freebeacon.com/obama-announces-slate-of-23-executive-actions-on-guns/

[narciso]

Well there is a difference between the strategists like Creamer, who is an sleazy Denebian slime devil, and the muddle who don't know any better.

[AliceH]

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

(Clarify that patients are not obliged to answer that, right? Right?)

[Frau Wut]

Good news again about Whole Foods' Mackey. He is consistent but doesn't get the coverage, does he?

[narciso]

Drudge raises a good point, although 'goggles do nothing'

http://twitchy.com/2013/01/16/matt-drudge-asks-would-rahm-emanuel-pass-mental-health-check-after-naked-rage-on-capitol/

[Dublindave]

We're merely testing the defenses at this stage; push a little here, a little there.

The real coup has been convincing the majority of Americans that the NRA are evil bastards. That's a perception that will get stronger with every new gun rampage, eventually enabling us to dismantle the 2nd amendment.

[Ann]

Frau:

I am with ya and I have closets filled with shoes. :)

On twitter:

Obama, 2008: "I wouldn't want my daughters punished with a baby." Obama, 2013: "If it saves the life of just one child, it's worth it."

[narciso]

You make a good point, NK, the same judges and other officials, are often opposed to the police,
acting proactively to prevent criminals.

[henry]

Good grief, most of Obama's list relates to creating Stasi level files on law abiding citizens.

[Jack is Back!]

Re: Alice H's 12:58 on the 23 EO's.

Pablum. Not one of them or all of them collectively would have prevented Sandy Hook.

In fact, I don't think any of them can prevent any gun murder either legal or illegal.

Nominate an ATF Director? That's your bloody job you ignorant twit.

Start a dialogue with the HHS secretary? She can't even listen to Cardinal Dolan on condoms.

Asking Holder to look into new classification of individuals to deny gun rights? How about starting with Mexican drug gangs and silly ass ATF agents?

Even Senator Leahy, about as left as the come, has indicate he is reluctant to see new laws but will hold hearings at least. The Dems do not want to have to vote on any new gun laws and I doubt if Reid will even bring it up for a vote.

The clown has no suit.

[NK]

The 23-- I'm no expert on gun regulation, but my quick read of the list indicates that Items 6 and 13 are the unlawful power grabs by the Unitary Executive; 18 and 20 are payoffs to the welfare industry and-government worker unions, and 16,17,21 and 22 are LOL funny realizations that Obamacare endangers kids. Too funny. The rest? useless things that Obama should have been doing for 4 years as far as the Obamaniacs are concerned.

[NK]

DD@1:07 actually does say what HRH BarryI is on about-- he does useless things, but if it makes one person like him moreand hate his enemies more, his narcassism is pleased.

Narc@1:09-- just one more example of the mental illness that is liberalism.

[Jack is Back!]

DuDa,

LOL. You have become a parody inside a satire wrapped in a delusional fantasy coated with wishful thinking. But you're damn good at it.

[harrjf]

Porch,

How about prosti-tot-ion?

Makes them prostitots.

[Captain Hate]

DreamTeam asst in '92 Olympics, Bobby Knight Coach K connection

PJ's been an outstanding NBA assistant coach and NCAA head coach. We'll see what happens in Brooklyn but I'm not sure he has what it takes to be successful at the highest level as an NBA head coach.

[Jack is Back!]

New hostage crisis in Algeria. Includes Americans at a BP gas processing plant in Southern Algeria.

[narciso]

What was that line, about AQ 'on it's last legs' I had it on the other thread;

[Captain Hate]

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

This isn't the first time that doctors have been co-opted into being agents of the state.

[Enlightened]

Whatever - 23 more Stupid Things Obama Did For Children Like Dudu.

[Porchlight]

Makes them prostitots.

Pretty good - although I'd argue it's the pols and hte kids' teachers and parents who are more responsible as pimps.

These people have been waiting and hoping for years that someone would kill a bunch of kids, and they finally got their wish.

I'm with you there, Ext. Hurricane Sandy and then Sandy Hook were the perfect storm crises for these guys to exploit. How does he get so lucky?

[Porchlight]

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

We get asked that question at the pediatrician's routinely.

[NK]

CaptH-- I think that's right-- I don't see him inheriting the NBA head coach gene at 61yo, but Mike Woodson is definitely a better head coach at 51 than he was at 45 in atlanta. Woodson, another Bobby Knight coach disciple BTW-- Knight has created more successful basketball coaches than the Almight.

[maryrose]

AliceH
Thanks for the list.
NK:
Agree with your analysis.
After Columbine, our school put a plan into effect and practiced it. What has taken others so long to get their individual school's act together. Even if there is a shooting anywhere else the school goes into lockdown.
Pablum as stated by JIB is right. When the lawsuits start against mental health professionals for revealing confidential info federal law won't mean diddly.
At the beginning of any session any counselor knows to say" I will not protect your confidence if you are a threat to yourself or others"
It is standard counseling practices 101.
Many medications for depression are not prescribed to students under the age of 17.
Sometimes for psychosis, a temporary prescription with minimal dosage is given. Each situation is different. I have dealt with many of the contingencies. There is no cure. Extended in hospital situations should be available. I saw no provision for increased mental health spending. This is why we have a near epidemic. Mental health funding is always the first to go. My brother in his social work job spends hours looking for independent grants and donations and fighting for the few available dollars.

[NK]

BTW-- the low information Obamaniac reaction to the "23" will be WTF!!-- I thought they were confiscating Whitey's gunz!

[Porchlight]

We get asked that question at the pediatrician's routinely.

Oh, and I'm guessing that refusing to answer is as good as a yes in their book. So I would advise folks to lie.

[NK]

As best as I can tell the only significant effect of the "23" will have been increase gun sales in anticipation of EO confiscation. Can we see BarryI's portfolio-- was he long on Colt, Ruger and remington?

[Captain Hate]

NK, Woodson's done an amazing job with the Knicks until Garnett got inside 'Melo's empty head. I think he got as much out of the Atlanta team (the one that scored 20 points in the first half against the Bulls 2 nights ago) as was possible.

I'm a big Bobby Knight fan; in addition to his coaching successes, Vitale is afraid of him and keeps his stupid yap shut when he's in the vicinity.

[Danube of Thought]

The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.

These dopes labored and brought forth a mouse.

[Jack is Back!]

porch,

I would tell my pediatrician that its none of their business. Do not play politics with my son's health and if you think this is an important medical or health quesiton then pack up our records and we are out of here.

Do not give them the business.

[NK]

DoT@1:48-- I don't agree with that. Of course the "23" are useless, or slightly worse. But the real Unitary Executive fascism action will take place in dark corners that we never hear of-- the places that spawned F&F for instance.

[maryrose]

Does anyone else classify this as much ado about nothing? Personally Bammy was losing the PR battle by behaving like a spoiled petulant child on the deficit and cutting. He knows Americans want the debt problem solved and would like Him and Congress to do something. He just doesn't want to and in his stubborness he looks like a real prick. This conference today was to showcase the the so-called"good Obama" who cares about people PR stunt nothing more. There will be no follow-up. The irony is Holder after Fast and Furious is actually given a role to play here. You can't make this stuff up...

[Porchlight]

I think they're required somehow to ask, JiB. My kids go so rarely that I don't recall. I should find out. But I wouldn't be surprised if they all ask.

[Porchlight]

Never mind. Reading about the FL law that was overturned I can see that this is a doctor preference kind of deal. Well, I'll ask Mr. Porch what he thinks. We've had the same pediatrician for 10 years - I wonder how easy it would be to even find one around here that doesn't ask the question.

[Ann]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dhs-expand-and-formalize-coordination-gun-control-efforts_696127.html

DHS will also work with law enforcement to refresh, expand and prioritize the implementation of nationwide public awareness efforts such as the “If You See Something, Say Something™” campaign. This is a critical issue that requires immediate attention and I look forward to supporting the President and this Administration as we move ahead.
-Fräulein Napolitano

[Jack is Back!]

maryrose makes some excellent points.

Yesterday, at our school, the Principal showed me some of the security upgrades we would be making - most are diocesan driven but also some our own initiative. New door locks, cameras, card reader access control, etc. The reception area however is still going to be a large open area with a counter and buzz through door. I asked him if we should consider a plexiglass barrier from counter to ceiling and we then realized that all we are doing is buying seconds from a committed psycho.

I am more concerned where the kds congregate outside the physical protection of walls and roofs such as the play field, church, the lunch hall, etc. The only real security that would or could make a difference is armed guards and/or armed teachers. I don't see that happening but we do have a couple of retired New York and New Jersey cops are always around volunteering for certain school functions. Having those kind of eyes of experience can help turn those seconds into minutes.

[Porchlight]

So, while everyone is talking about gun control, it appears Americans and others have been taken hostage:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57564259/americans-among-hostages-taken-in-algeria-attack/

Will Obama or Hillary deign to update Americans on this situation, or is going to be left to flacks?

[Danube of Thought]

AP:

PRINEVILLE, Ore. -- Another Oregon sheriff says he would refuse to enforce any new federal gun law he believes is unconstitutional. Crook County Sheriff Jim Hensley said Tuesday he sent the same letter to Vice President Joe Biden that was sent Monday by Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller. The letter says politicians are attempting to exploit the deaths of innocent victims in the Connecticut school shooting by supporting laws that would harm law-abiding Americans.

As I have been saying, one of the principal weak links in federal gun laws is enforcement of them.

[Cecil Turner]

Does anyone else classify this as much ado about nothing?

Yes. I'd be a bit concerned about unlawful gun seizures by authorities (and using it as an excuse for "background checks"), but most of those 23 "actions" inspired nothing but a desire for a nap.

[Captain Hate]

The irony is Holder after Fast and Furious is actually given a role to play here. You can't make this stuff up...

An objective press would be pointing this out. As it is we have to depend on the members of the opposition party to say something about it. I'm not holding my breath.

[Fred Beloit]

Dear Mista Pwesident: I am a wittle boy seven years old. Pwease put my wetter on the television so all the people can see what a gweat poopagana twick you can make. Mommy says it will be a new wow in the histowy of poopagana.

My wetter:
“Hep us President Obama defeet the bad gun peeple.”
Tank you, your fwiend, Wittle Fweddie.

(Also posted elsewhere.)

[Danube of Thought]

Clayton Cramer:

It is an article of faith that closing the “gun-show loophole” would make America a safer place. But that is what it is: faith. In 2008, three criminologists (one of them not at all friendly to guns) studied the effects on murder and suicide rates in California (which prohibits private sales without a background check) and Texas (which does not). They looked at homicide and suicide rates for adjacent ZIP codes for a week after gun shows. They found no change in suicide rates, and in Texas, which has no restrictions on private party sales, a small but statistically significant reduction in gun homicides.

This might seem surprising, and at first glance, it is. Except for one little detail: Criminals appear not to buy guns at gun shows, because guns are expensive. It is so much cheaper to steal guns instead. At Newtown, the killer first murdered his mother to steal the gun. At Clackamas Mall in Oregon in December, the shooter used a rifle he’d acquired by stealing it from a friend. In April of 2007, David Logsdon of Kansas City, Mo., murdered his neighbor and stole her late husband’s rifle for a mass murder.

It really, really helps when your adversaries are this stupid.

[rse]

Porch-it's more than a doctor preference. And if the answer is yes to a gun in house they will ask a follow-up question on whether it is secured or out of reach.

henry-stasi level info files will go well with the longitudinal data produced by definitions of student growth and achievement that are largely values, attitudes, and beliefs and whether school is producing the desired changes. That's the new definition of learning.

Traffic was awful. Turns out one of the largest hospitals was having a job fair. It was tying up traffic from every direction trying to get there. First time I turned around. I expect people think healthcare is more stable than I suspect it is going to prove to be.

[AliceH]

--Does anyone else classify this as much ado about nothing? --

I admit my first reaction was "this reads like a standard-issue Powerpoint table of contents". My second reaction was remembering how the most benign bullet (heh) points on a powerpoint slide so frequently turn out to entail the most complex, nightmarish design requirements with no connection to reality and I started thinking Henry may be closer to the truth.

[Porchlight]

Porch-it's more than a doctor preference. And if the answer is yes to a gun in house they will ask a follow-up question on whether it is secured or out of reach.

But if it's not preference, who requires it? I'm not seeing any state laws in TX. Are there federal laws?

[Jane on Ipad]

Henry,

Have you any "do not miss" places in Naples?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I read it as 22 admissions of complete impotence and one (11. Nominate an ATF director) of complete incompetence.
Mostly I just laughed.
This list is considerably wimpier than what FFLs have been notified of before by ATF after various previous massacres.

[Clarice]

Mel, beat me to it. Whole Foods was part of the progressive army.

[OldTimer]

heh...Rush made some very cogent remarks regarding no personal background checks ever done on Barry, to this day.

Barry's gun control EO's demand universal background checks on everyone else, however. And doctors will be required to report on their patient's who own guns?

I've never broken a law in my life, so I hate that I'm now going to have to be very careful when answering questions from "professionals" and "officials", if questioned about my personal belongings.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

And I'd like to remind everyone here that what prompted a considerably more invasive new ATF reg sent to FFLs for reporting multiple rifle sales in border states than anything in this list of 23 were the numerous massacres committed by criminals who had been armed intentionally by this horror show of an administration on both sides of the border.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Hi Ann!

[Janet]

Wake me when it's time to march on D.C. ...

Clang! clang! clang!!!!!!

Does anyone think the monstrous NY bill was drafted in a month? It's like Obamacare: years in the making, with hundreds or thousands of drones involved, waiting, clawing, scratching like rats at the pantry door.

Exactly. Written & put together by all the organizations that essentially run our country. "Non-partisan", tax exempt groups. They send in news releases to the MFM, so those lazy-ass "reporters" never have to leave their desks.

All legislation should have to be hand written on a legal pad by the Senator or Representative that proposes it. One idea at a time....nothing added on. They should have a televised Q & A on their idea before it can be put to a vote.

[henry]

Jane, I usually go wherever Mom or my brothers take me (and am bad at names). 2nd street (Ave?) has plenty to explore, and Old Naples (further south) has good places as well. Parking can be tricky, but you can walk to anywhere at either spot. When its just my Dad and I, we go to the mall on Park Shore Drive & Gulf Shore (turn right just south of the Inn of Naples from your hotel). Its an easy walk from the condo. There are a couple good restaurants in there.

[jimmyk]

Jimmy Carter was rightly ridiculed in the media when he quoted Amy on foreign policy. Now we've got kids brought to the White House after writing letters on gun policy and the only ridicule is directed at Obama's critics.

[rse]

Porch-I have been told it is state law. That seems unlikely but it is highly likely it is in guidelines put out by the Amer Academy of Pediatrics.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Jane-

Bistro 821, corner of 8th and 5th, by the river. And sit outside, if you can.

[henry]

Jane, Mel's recommendation met the fashionable east coast brothers test. : )

[jimmyk]

And what would have happened if one of those kids wrote "Dear Mr. President, Please don't take away my daddy's gun. It helps him protect our family"? Apart from flunking the assignment, that is.

[Tom Maguire]

seems to me it would be tough to constitutionally change a law to charge her as a co-conspirator in a crime she didn't know about...

Yeah, that was poorly written, but I tweaked it.

[Melinda Romanoff]

TM-

You have mail.

[Porchlight]

I don't think it's state law, rse, but it is probably in the guidelines. Still, my pediatrician doesn't follow all the guidelines in other areas.

[Ann]

Hi Iggy!

My fav is number 4:

Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

hahahahahah Does this include NOT selling guns to Mexicans?

WHAT A JOKE!!!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Yeah, that was poorly written, but I tweaked it.--

Not sure the tweak helped, Tom.
Presently, if she knows of a crime the guns will be used for I believe she can already be charged with conspiracy and as an accessory.
If she doesn't, she might presently be charged with reckless endangerment or something similar but I don't see how you can legally ever get to any charge tougher than that without her knowledge of their intended use. For all she knows the guy is being threatened by somebody and just wants to protect himself or his family.
Maybe one of our legal scholars can weigh in.

[Jack is Back!]

I thought it was a Clinton EO that required Pediatricians to ask about guns in the home? You know, we have never been asked that question by 5 different pediatricians. Two in Southampton (New Yawk) and 3 here in Florida [same practice].

But we have a law in Florida that prohibits physicians from asking those questions but I am surprised they never asked in New Yawk.

[Porchlight]

But we have a law in Florida that prohibits physicians from asking those questions but I am surprised they never asked in New Yawk.

I think that FL law was overturned, unless my Googling was revealing out of date info...

[Extraneus]

The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.

These dopes labored and brought forth a mouse.

It wasn't a mouse or much ado about nothing for NY.

[Jane on Ipad]

Thanks guys. We are headed to 5 th a little later so I will look for it.

80 degrees today while back home school was called off due to snow.

Poor me.

[Enlightened]

Seriously - 500 Mil for this? Hmm.

[anonamom]

Maryrose, not sure where you get the idea that kids under
17 aren't put on psychotropic drugs.
Oh, but that were the case.

They are, to a terrifying degree. Without any idea of what the long term effects on the developing brain are from these walking experiments.

[Frau Wut]

Porch -
We agreed to such this morning. My U.S. forebears who were distilling quality spirits at home during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries felt the same.

[Porchlight]

Good to hear, Frau. Mmm...quality spirits.

[narciso]

It's basically the CAP 'Christmas list'

[rse]

anonamom-my college freshman has been shocked by the ubiquity of the the attention drugs where the students have been on them for years.

I am concerned that so many of my eldest's friends who took them in elem school (private) are the ones who later developed tragic drug stories where the parents have tried everything.

And I had a dr put me on cymbalta as I had an undiagnosed bone break that healed and took up rubbing against another bone and nerves. Ouch. Before that diagnosis that the surgeon came too because one hand was markedly colder than the other I took the C for about 6 months. Quit taking it quickly as I always do when I am fed up and I had the weirdest dreams for about two days.

Stronger, more manipulative physiologically than most people appreciate.

porch-remember a lot of the med and legal trade groups are HQ'd in Chicago.

[maryrose]

anonamom:
I have heard of cases like this as well. Overall they are not supposed to give them these medications, but I agree it happens more than we think.Usually it takes about 3 weeks for the student to get adjusted. Sometimes they had to miss school while attempting to cope with it.