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February 12, 2013

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Dave (in MA)
Dorner was buying scuba gear in early February? He killed 4 during his bout of madness-- and bought scuba gear?
Maybe to use in escaping to Mexico?
fdcol63

NK, you got that right. He's got some serious mental health "issues" .... starting with his narcissism, ego, mommy/daddy abandonment, bi-racial cultural confusion, non-traditional American "cosmopolitan" upbringing in Indonesia and Hawaii, and then continuing with his radical left mentors and the Marxist/Socialist/Alinskyite ideology that he was indoctrinated with.

rse

His delivery last night made him seem high on power or something else or both. He definitely behaved like someone who knew there would be no fact checking. Reading about the importance of institutional power to community organizing he has certainly been given the ultimate keys to the kingdom.

Chubby

((...I didn't see any of the speeches, just read the transcripts.))

to be fair, being the official responder, Rubio was under a lot more stress than Paul, and it showed. Rubio appeared nervous and Paul seemed totally relaxed and confident. But it the actual content that made Paul's speech better, imo, in that he tackled the root problems on the Hill, so he really does seem more for the people than for the club.

narciso

Well it's a little simpler, if you are pro America, 'do not pass go'


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/02/13/WSJ-Sen-Levin-s-Dual-Standards-For-Confirming-Cabinet-Nominees

Rob Crawford
I didn't watch the speech but am watching clips on Hannity's Show. Obama says he wants to put people immediately at work to fix our disintegrating infrastructure.

I don't know about you guys but that sounds to me like "Shovel Ready Jobs" all over again.

He's gonna borrow an old idea and have lots of people dig a canal.

Porchlight

Like the old story of Milton Friedman visiting China in the 1960s:

Friedman was at a large construction project and noted that thousands of workers were using shovels, so he asked his Chinese hosts why there were no bulldozers or backhoes in use. The reply: Using shovels creates more jobs. Friedman’s classic response, “Why don’t they use teaspoons?”
NK

Didn't watch the videos, but the Paul/Rubio issue is THE ISSUE for conservatives. The welfare state will self-destruct sooner than later-- what happens then? The Dems will still be around pushing the same faux socialism and racial politics -- they've done that since Williams Jennings Bryant-- but what of conservatives? Do they join professional Repub politicians to win elections-- and change the country for the better (that's the Rubio/Rove option) Or do they join principled ideologues and change the country first, so the politics have to follow (Rand Paul/Tea Party option.) Not an obvious choice for me (anyway), but it will be THE choice that has to be made as the debt bomb goes off and OPM runs out.

narciso

They employ the same paradigm, regardless;


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/02/13/NYT-Misses-Point-The-Church-s-Crossroads-Is-Whether-It-Will-Defend-Its-Professed-Values

NK

Infrastructure improvement?-- very good, very necessary. Course JEF screwed the pooch on that by wasting our debt to pay for Medcaid for immigrant doctors/nurse, and foodstamps for the obese and drunkards, and cell phones for the slackers, and payoffs to AFSCME and UAW. Sorry, no mo' $$ for roads, bridges and the grid. Go eff' yourself JEF.

marlene

rse@8:53...someone last night (Man Tran?) said Obama sounded high.Commenters at other sites also thought his voice sounded weird.
I watched the dog show,so I missed the big news last night-Rubio grabbing a bottle of water.

narciso

You don't get it, maybe a program like the CCC might work, but that doesn't fit the mold, he wants like Chavez to let the country run down, while the people are holding on to their spoon ful of gruel, and be thankful for it. Four years later, they get around to fixing the span of the Seven Mile bridge, and that was right before it fell into the sea. There's another interchange, that they won't get around to, till it collapses.

centralcal

I keep wondering when Kirsten Powers will be thrown out of the Liberal club:

The president has only a few opportunities to speak to the nation, and he blew this one. It was so hackish, so devoid of any theme or purpose, that it makes one wonder whether part of Obama just wants to see how bad he can be before his cultists in the news media can see it. Every speech is exactly what they wish it to be, regardless of reality.
hit and run

daddy:
I don't know about you guys but that sounds to me like "Shovel Ready Jobs" all over again.

...and again, and again, and again...

The challenge is to find one thing in Obama's speech that is new or innovative versus what he's said over the past four years. I didn't see the speech or read it, so I'm only guessing here - but I doubt anyone can find anything.

The economy has not recovered, we're deeper in debt, the world is less safe than four years ago.

And Obama wants to double-down on his same failed policies.

Obama is the walking, talking (and talking, and talking, and talking...) embodiment of Proverbs 26:11.

Janet

I only heard snippets of the SOTU.
What gets me is the mindless clapping & cheering for ideas/actions that aren't even thought out. What are the consequences for that action? Where are we heading with this?

Women in combat...fine, do they have to register now? If not, why not. Do Lina Dunham & Brian Williams daughter have to register for military service? If women can fight just like men...then sign their asses up just like all the young men have to.
...and that wind & solar crap. Are we gonna have to continue to subsidize those businesses? Those businesses are like a mirage. Govt. set them up, govt. makes citizens use the product, govt. subsidizes them. It's a total loser. Govt. could make up anything & make us buy it...or at least subsidize it.
Our govt. is a fiasco.

NK

ZeroHedge provides some good BLS and Commerce Dept charts -- we are headed towards recession in 2013. Just great. When the recession hits, tax revenues will decline, unemployment will increase-- and there's no mo' money for Keynesian monkey business, because creditors will demand higher interest rates that can't be paid. Energy and food prices will skyrocket because the Dollar will collapse further-- horrendous stagflation will follow. I blame Bush: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-13/where-did-all-hope-go

Old Lurker

My wife got three seasons of Downton Abbey on DVD so that's what we did during the speech. But I logged my iPad to Bing, muted the sound and simply voted "strongly disapprove" every five seconds.

Was that wrong?

NK

Women in combat? Meh-- it's just a way to reduce combat capability-- no offense to the fairer sex. But it's a drop in the bucket to the real destruction of combat capability-- what do these young people fight for? a paycheck because there are no other jobs? sorry-- that's a recipe for defeat. For 240 years the young have fought because they believe in something-- the liberty they have by birthright (or legal immigration) to America. JEF/Leftist destruction of liberty by a thousand cuts, will destroy the military capability of the country. Chaotic world follows.

narciso

'Justified' wasn't so bad, Raylan's kill rate is not as extreme as advertised, but as they said in Barcelona, 'he's a good shot'

centralcal

Oh.
Dear.

MOTUS has a post up this morning, including photos of FLOTUS (scroll down to the final two) that are . . . (sorry, can't find any words)

"SO TU, Brute" - indeed

NK

OL@9:36-- I like the cut of your jib sir.

Old Lurker

Women in Combat is simply a device to make using the military less popular in the future since it is in the male DNA to protect women. Not unlike the libs' desire to use a draft to file ranks even if there are enough volunteers...anything to make the military option more difficult to use is good for them.

centralcal

You da Man, Old Lurker!

I saw one link this AM that showed he tanked massively into double digit negative numbers on the subject of gun control.

I can't imagine it wasn't the same negative numbers from start to finish.

Chubby

((Was that wrong?))

yes, very wrong. it should have been every one second. :)

Rob Crawford
Maybe to use in escaping to Mexico?

I'm pretty sure there's an overland route there.

Old Lurker

I tried, Chubby but Bing had a 5 second cycle rate...

jimmyk

"what of conservatives? Do they join professional Repub politicians to win elections-- and change the country for the better (that's the Rubio/Rove option) Or do they join principled ideologues and change the country first, so the politics have to follow (Rand Paul/Tea Party option"

Join professional Repub politicians to win elections? What next, hop on the Chicago Cubs bandwagon to win World Series? The principled way is win-win as far as I'm concerned.

narciso

Well at least they can't blame us, this time, they'll find a way though;


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-rebels-loot-artifacts-to-raise-money-for-fight-against-assad/2013/02/12/ae0cf01e-6ede-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2a_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop

NK

OL@9:42-- spot on. The libs realized that their volunteer force idea in the 1970s was a disaster for them. It made the miltary better, more respected and anti-lib -- so back to the draft.

PS: IBD calls out JEF debt 'fantasy'. I'm glad JEF refused to compromise and cut spending in 2011-- that would have delayed the day of reckoning. The debt bomb will go off sooner now, and we'll be better for it. BTW-- IBD calls it JEF's "fantasy"-- polite word for mental illness: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021213-644203-debt-crisis-is-nowhere-near-being-solved.htm?p=2

rse

Dorner made yesterday a particularly bad day to push for gun control. And running all those things together without regard to facts or economics diminished all of them.

I think shovel ready is the wrong idea in this reality does not count vision. Spoon ready would create far more jobs than shovel ready. Especially if we went with teaspoons instead of tablespoons. That adjustment alone will mean 250% more jobs than tablespoons would. And if someone will get me the size of the shovel he has in mind we can calculate the difference going to spoons will make in generating more jobs.

And THEN I will get Christina Romer to apply her public sector multiplier to our teaspoon brigade turnaround vision. Then we can take all those anticipated revenues from all those new jobs and apply it as deficit reduction so there will be no need to cut all that wonderful spending to deserving constituencies of loyal voters. The kind that can be relied upon to vote multiple times even if it is a 3 hour wait.

But if there was no wait at all, think of how many more precincts one devoted progressive could go to voice support for radical democracy.

Sue

C,

Holy cow. I think she has a penis.

Chubby

((I keep wondering when Kirsten Powers will be thrown out of the Liberal club
))

she sounds like a genuine intellectually honest classical liberal, not the hypocritical COP liberals (COP: cult of personality) It's sad the latter have confiscated the name "liberal"

centralcal

When the subject got to Immigration last night, McCain put on his dance moves. Ted Cruz, definitely did not. Click the link below:

Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin

Thank God for @SenTedCruz refusing to drink the Obama-ade w/ McCain, Graham & Schumer. My new fave GIF==> http://bit.ly/X0LwO5

centralcal

Sue: !!!!!!

as I said - Oh. Dear.

Threadkiller

I watched the black guy burning down the house last night so I missed what happened in Big Bear.

NK

jimmyk@947-- if I may-- a rare bit of glibness from you. When the debt bomb goes off, Dem voter groups get crushed (young, foodstamp-welfare recips etc) plus swing voters get hurt-- so the Dems will be in trouble both from their voters and swing voters. Conventional Repub politicians can do very well in that environment-- all over the country, including Blue State suburbs. They can win a lot of elections. But is that enough for conservatives to support conventional Repubs to effect real change after they win elections? That's the choice as I see it, because 'ideological' conservatives are less likely to win many of those elections. As a conservative, I need to BOTH win elections and effect BIG changes. The choice is -- which will be more likely to effect BOTH. It's not so clear to me how to best make that happen.

Pofarmer

Little shocked our host is a Justified fan, not sure why.

NK

What is 'Justified'?

Sue

What is 'Justified'?

Making fun of Michelle Obama's ass.

Oh wait...you were probably talking about a show that kicks ass. Not a woman with an ass.

Chubby

CC, I wonder what McCain and Graham were so gleeful about? Tthat picture shows how hypocritical McCain and Graham are when they feign indignation about the actions of the president of the club. They are so out of touch with the people it's not funny,

Sue

I should explain my bad self. If Michelle would stay out of my business I wouldn't make fun of her fat ass. That is not something I normally do. Make fun of the way people look. With the exception of Henry Waxman. His face just screams make fun of me.

Pofarmer

Tonight's Justified, was ok, but it was missing something, maybe too much of Elmore Leonard's trademark violence, and less of the light touch,

I dunno, I am enjoying the tone so far this season. Thought last season got a little too dark.

fdcol63

Quite simply, there is no hope of the GOP ever winning in the "court of public opinion" so long as that opinion is created, shaped, molded and perpetuated by the GOP's political enemies - the liberals and Leftists in the major institutions of the MFM, academia, Hollywood/entertainment and gov't bureaucracies.

America used to be a "center-right" country, but 2008 and 2012 proved - to me at least - that the other side has been successful in shifting the political gravity through their dominance of these major instituions. This is what Antonio Gramsci's incremental strategy of the "long march through the culture and institutions" is all about.

No matter how much establishment and so-called "moderate" Republicans and conservatives do to bend themselves into pretzels to appeal to these people or to pander to certain electoral groups, the lying partisan hacks in the MFM, academia, Hollywood and gov't bureaucracies will continue to lie, obfuscate, misrepresent, misinform and maleducate the American public and to ridicule the GOP and conservatives and their policies, values, interests, and goals.

All attempts to change "public opinion" will continue to fail so long as these liberals and Leftists dominate these institutions, and the GOP will continue to be doomed to electoral failure - NO MATTER HOW RIGHT AND EFFECTIVE Republican and conservative policies actually are - because these liberals and Leftists are always successful in shaping public opinion and attitudes. It's why tear-jerkers and advertising are so successful in motivating and affecting people's behaviors and attitudes.

The first step in saving America and taking back the country is to end the liberal monopoly in these institutions. Peacefully, if possible, through attrition and hiring.

But I personally don't think we have the time for that, and even if we did, I don't think the liberals and Leftists who currently possess this power are going to go quietly and meekly. Stronger measures will be necessary.

But continued talk about long-term GOP victory until this occurs is mere fantasy.

Pofarmer

"What is 'Justified'?"

You have got to be kidding me.

FX television show produced by and starring Timothy Oliphant.

narciso

All the while, you were a Democrat, NK, NYC was melting down, Ed Koch kept the place from
completely going up in smoke, then they elected Dinkins, and you were this close to 'Escape from New York' territory, Guiliani,
finally started turned the place around in '93,
and Bloomberg has let the place fall apart.

maryrose

I think I should start watching "Justified"
I guess I didn't miss much last night wrt the SOTU.
Obama is phoning it in and not answering the phone{Benghazi} when he should be.
I also thought of Reno and Waco when I heard the cabin was on fire. If we are this inept at finding this lunatic how are we ever going to effectively fight the war on terror?
Nk: I agree with your summations.
Good to see you Pofarmer.
Sue: Hysterically funny as always and yes you can criticize Big Butt Obama {Moochelle}

fdcol63

Kirsten Powers. Yeah, she's one of the more sane and honest liberals out there.

Everytime I think Juan Williams shows some promise, it seems that he then dips further into that COP liberalism. LOL

Captain Hate

The mention of 15 Regional manufacturing consortiums I knew about because I have those NRC reports from all those workshops. It marries the Regional Equity Movement and Metropolitanism with a planned Green Energy economy coupled with directing who must be hired and where jobs are to be located. It is the latter aspect that endeared Van Jones to the Green Energy cause. Government dictates equity.

Sherrod Brown was yammering in his imbecilic hoarse voice (doubtlessly from screaming at his ex-wife post restraining order) about one of them located in Youngstown, that hub of economic wonderfulness.

narciso

Yes, maryrose, I thought that was the whole purpose of having a drone, out there. Raylan is a no nonsense sort, that doesn't suffer fools gladly, unfortunately that keeps his supervisor in the Marshal's service, Art Mullen, drowning in paperwork, everytime he shoots someone,

centralcal

We need more Ted Cruz types, that's for sure, Chubby.

And if/when the Ted Cruz types start behaving like McCain and Graham, then it's time for them to go and be replaced too.

narciso

I think being from Texas, central, and rather closely identified with the Tea Party, will keep Ted from straying, Cornyn has drifted, but
he wasn't elected explicitly as a conservative.

henry

15 Regional manufacturing consortiums

a quick search puts this program in with the old Commerce Dept / NIST MTCs -- pulling together state and federal govt cash with higher education and local beltway bandits private orgs to spend money "doing something" about manufacturing. It appears they brought in crony firms to get free workforce training describe technical education requirements.

In grad school I was farmed out to the GLMTC in Cleveland. Most activity was MRP training / software selection that private industry did much better. It was operated by CAMP at TriC with money from NIST and the Ohio Edison Fund with academics from CWRU and Cleveland Sate. At one point it added DoD money through a CSRC center at the same location. As far as I could tell it was John Glenn's piece of a pie that Murtha kept mostly to himself.

Sue

Cornyn pissed me off when he voted for Tim the Tax Cheat. He probably knows me by name, not sight, since I have never let him forget it. It depends on who his opponent is on whether or not I'll vote for him again. I swore to him I wouldn't, but I swear a lot.

Janet

Totally agree, fdcol63 @ 10:09.

Thought last season got a little too dark.
Same here. We don't have cable, so we're just now watching last season....have to walk out sometimes.

Sue

Maryrose,

Thanks. There's a comedian born every minute and I have to stay ahead of the pack.

narciso

They didn't get much of a tingle in my fishwrap;


http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/12/3231215/obamas-state-of-the-union-speech.html

Yeah, the thug that was the butcher did get out of hand, now that I think about it,

Captain Hate

Wow, Poppin' Fresh was just on Andrea Tantaros and was talking about the missed opportunity in the early 2000s by Repubs to cut spending when they were in control of everything. Compassionate conservatism FTL. I usually criticize the little doughboy, and maybe this was in recognition of whose show he was on, but he was bang spot on this time.

Captain Hate

Cornyn must have been impressed with your message, Sue, since he voted against Stedman's confirmation.

Sue

Capt'n,

Impressed or wore out? I'll probably never know.

narciso

Well they had that dynamic duo of Dennis Hastert and Bill Frist in leadership, must have been an oversight, the thing about Newt
was at least he tried to rein in spending,

narciso

Well did he vote againat Lurch, that would indicate he 'bought a clue'

Captain Hate

Yes narc, there were plenty on "our side" who had the long knives out for Noot.

Janet

As far as I could tell it was John Glenn's piece of a pie that Murtha kept mostly to himself.

Murtha was something. Uber thug. I think my Rep.Jim Moran is lost now that Murtha is gone. He was like Graham to McCain.
Moran is having money problems....divorced again.

NK

Narc-- you're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. mayor Nanny is an irritant and has no bigger critic than me. Despite his liberalism and nannyisms, he is an astute manager (see Bloomberg LP)-- he's used the cops effectively through database deployment and most importantly stop and frisk, so crime continued the down trend guiliani started (well below the rates of Fla cities for instance.) The NYC headcount of employees (except for teachers) continues to fall, and he's guilty of only one tax increase since 2002 when he came in. His biggest failure?-- obviously is fiscal. Pension costs are out of control and squeezing current spending, State/City income taxes are way too high (technically OUT of his control-- that's Albany stuff) so new business is dead in the water, and of course the end of wall Street securitization/monetizing debt is the major challenge to business in the City. So basically, Bloomberg's 3 terms have been alot like Guiliani's second term -- except, wall Street has been shrinking during Bloomie's third term. There will be fiscal hell to pay in NYC when the debt bond goes off -- just like every other Blue Hell. Bloomie's at fault for leaving NYC exposed-- because unlike the other Blue Hell politicians he knows better. But as far as nuts and bolts management and City QOL, Bloomie's been BETTER than Koch-- even with the City Council having more power than it did during Koch.

Sue

I wonder if anyone that supports a $9 minimum wage noticed that the last time they raised the minimum wage everything I buy went up thereby negating the rise in minimum wage?

Kat

The only comment concerning this speech that comes to my mind is a quote from o pastor (though o never heard a word of any of the sermons).
"America chickens are coming home to roost"

NK

Minimum wage-- the real problems are that it 1. reduces job creation; 2. reduces wage increases for more experienced workers who left minimum wage behind, and 3. encourages 'off the books' work. It's a big macro-economic loser-- even liberal economists have accepted that for decades.

Enlightened

What is with the leftards and water drinking? They obssessed over Paul Ryan drinking it during one of the debates, they are obssessing over Rubio drinking it in his SOTU response...

Next time Rubio should just tip back a shot of JD with a coke back, at least it would be an event, unlike the gazillions of humans that drink - water.

Kat

Re: minimum wage increase. I am in such mean spirit since November that I actually hope they go for it. I always worried about impact of bad policies on the poor- now I don't care. Let them eat obamaphones.

Captain Hate

Once the JEF gets a thought planted in his empty noggin by the Iranian rodent, no pesky facts will dislodge it.

Captain Hate

What is with the leftards and water drinking?

They can't refute what he said so they resort to cosmetic issues. They did the same thing with Michele Bachmann saying she wasn't looking into the camera, thereby taking the discussion away from what she said.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Do they join professional Repub politicians to win elections-- and change the country for the better (that's the Rubio/Rove option) Or do they join principled ideologues and change the country first, so the politics have to follow (Rand Paul/Tea Party option.)--

I hate Titanic metaphors but the best professional Republican politicians seem capable of is making the bilge pumps run slightly more efficiently.
Rand Paul and the Tea Party option are only the bare minimum needed to get us on the life boats and eventually to the relatively safer and saner decks of the New Deal.

Not even they are talking about building a new ship of state about one third the size of the hulk we're currently going down with. Maybe we could call the new one the USS Constitution.

NK

CaptH@11:25-- very true. The inability to process facts is part of the Left/Lib mental illness.

Enlightened

-They can't refute what he said so they resort to cosmetic issues.

Or in the case of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, they blatantly lie before the speech is even given.

Ho Hum. Another day in Libtopia.

NK

Ig@11:30-- you may be right-- but I look at election results in Nev, De, Mo and Ind and wonder.

BB Key

OT, J Lew Lying on CSPAN 3

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--but I look at election results in Nev, De, Mo and Ind and wonder--

Why is the Tea Party only held to this impossible 100% standard?
Professional Republican politicians like Tommy Thompson, Larry Craig, Bob Hatfield, ad infinitum, can either lose elections or severely damage the GOP brand via corruption and it makes not the slightest dent in people's faith in their electability or ability to govern.

The left certainly doesn't hold their candidates to those standards and yet they have pulled the country inexorably leftward for close to a hundred years.

jimmyk

he's guilty of only one tax increase since 2002

False. This doesn't affect you directly, but property taxes have gone up immensely several times since 2002. And not just because of higher assessments, though even that still counts as a tax increase in my view.

The bottom line is this: What has the budget done under Nanny Bloomberg? I just looked. FY 2003 it was about $41B, FY 2013 it's $68B. That's a 66% increase over 11 years, roughly 5% annually. Almost Obama-esque.

AliceH

--(NK) but I look at election results in Nev, De, Mo and Ind and wonder--

-- (Iggy) Why is the Tea Party only held to this impossible 100% standard? --

Need to remove MO from that list, if we're criticizing "failed" tea party candidates.

AliceH

Also, I just cannot get my mind around the wide support for "stop and frisk".

Rick Ballard

"and it makes not the slightest dent in people's the relatively small group funding Karl Rove's faith in their electability or ability to govern."

If only there were a descriptive term to identify a relatively small group of parasites using long standing positions achieved through birth preference to influence the advancement of boot lickers deemed trustworthy in protecting the interests of the group. Given that such groups have existed for at least 2500 years, one would think even the ancient Greeks would have come up with a descriptive appellation.

Jimmyk

RB, I thought we'd agreed on "fnork" some time ago.

narciso

We have the servile media of a police state, the latter isn't there yet, but there was no challenge of the central premise, that Obama was not going to improve the economy,

When Conneticut gets a sane statewide politician, NK, you can talk to me about the failures of the Tea Party. Blumenthal, Murphy,
six of one, half a dozen of the other,

NK

JimmyK-- the real estate tax rate was increased for once with Bloomie approval; the water usage and condo/coop increases you're seeing is from a combination of 'equalization' formulae and increased valuation assessments. Bloomie's Finance Dept sticks it to coop/condos so as to protect apt rental tenants and single/2family homeowners as much as possible. No doubt these are real increases, but they are not from 'rate' increases. I did say Bloomie's failure has been fiscal--- and a 60% spending increase over 13 years is failure. But facts have to be recognized-- over $7B (30%)of those spending increases have been increased pension costs which are State statute (pension costs are now almost 15% of the NYC budget)-- NYC can't unilaterally change that. Bloomie's paid for the excessive spending NOT with new taxes, but with BORROWING. Epic fiscal fail. Bloomie's been a terrible spending manager, no doubt. And that's no surprise given he's a Gulfstream Lib. But taxes have been the least of that failure- it's the spending and borrowing that he's failed worst at. BTW-- it will get worse with a dem mayor next year -- MORE SPENDING, and MORE TAXES.

NK

For the Tea Party to get financial support from me they have to prove they can win winnable elections. I don't think that's controversial. In Ct, neither the dems, the repubs or the Tea Party will change the status quo. Arithmatic will- when bond rating collapses and interest payments shoot up, 'temporary' tax increases will be imposed by the dems to keep the spending train gong, profitable businesses will flea, the tax base implodes, and then, and only then, will gov't spending decrease. Ct will be like Detroit or Camden, only with trees.

jimmyk

For the Tea Party to get financial support from me they have to prove they can win winnable elections.

They have done so at the congressional and state levels: Ted Cruz and Todd Walker, for example. There has only been one presidential campaign since the birth of the movement.

What standard of proof do you need, and to repeat Iggy's question, do you apply the same standard to GOP establishment given its record with Dole, McCain, and Romney?

centralcal

Yep, jimmyk - Fnork was the designation. I was able to find it in use here a year ago (February 2012) by none other than Mr. Ballard.

centralcal

Beth Fouhy ‏@bfouhy

Fox News signs Scott Brown as contributor, EVP Bill Shine announces. Says Fox appreciates Brown's "out of the box thinking" on key issues.

AliceH

It seems to me that "out of the box thinking" has come to mean "talking points ready for use; no assembly required".

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

NK-

The timeline is as follows.

Spend.

People notice and stop their own spending.

Tax receipts go down.

Govt raises taxes.

QED.

bgates

Do they join professional Repub politicians to win elections(that's the 2008/2012 option) Or do they join principled ideologues (2010/Tea Party option.)

centralcal

Then there is this absolute and utter nonsense about Brown from some giddy gal at The Hill's gossip blog:

The former senator is considered a rising star in the Republican Party, despite his short tenure in the Senate. He won a 2010 special election to fill the seat of the late-Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and then was defeated by Democrat Elizabeth Warren when he ran for re-election last year.

Rising star in the Republican party??????

Dave (in MA)

Signing Olympia Brown is more evidence of FNC's increasingly leftward tilt.

hit and run

jimmyk:
I thought we'd agreed on "fnork" some time ago.

Although oligarchy is what Rick was most likely aiming for here.

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