And Sometimes The Medium Is Not The Message

From a Times profile of the Boston bombers we are offered this about the older brother from a former brother-in-law:

But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.

#MarketingFail.

Comments

[narciso]

Yes, curious how that works, eh;

http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/stunner-mosque-boston-bombers-attended-has-radical-ties-speakers-urged-beating-wives-killing-jews/

[NK]

I'm starting to get the idea that in addition to being a homicidal maniac, Tamerlan may not have been the sharpest knife in the draw. Unlike the ricin plotters in Tupelo, he was not MENSA material. Did he also hate people who disrespected other people's cultures and.... the DUTCH.

[Dave (in MA)]

Way to further your cause, Speedbump.

[daddy]

But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.

From Steve's link of the Brother's/Cops Shootout on the last thread:

...In the photo below, Kitzenberg has circled a pressure cooker bomb that the suspects threw at police moments after the picture was taken...The use of this explosive created an enormous cloud of smoke that covered the entire street. While the street was still cloudy with smoke one of the brothers started running down the street towards the officers, while still engaging them in gunshots. ..

[narciso]

Well he sort of 'Lurched' into the truth, in the course of another round of moral equivalence:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kerry-boston-bomber-radicalized-russia-chechnya-came-back-willingness-kill_719057.html

[narciso]

Btw, can someone explain to me, why the CIA wasn't the contact with the FSB on this, it happened over there after all?

[Captain Hate]

Speaking of JWF:

"Since the Tsarnaev's were on welfare did they use their ObamaPhones to detonate the bombs?"

[narciso]

So according to one source, the FBI was actually trying to stop the RCMP from revealing the Canadian plot, I wonder why that is?

[narciso]

'That's more than one ping, Vassili'

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/04/24/russia-contacted-the-fbi-multiple-times-with-concerns-about-the-boston-bomber/

[NK]

Kerry in Brussels-- you know Kerry really is the moronic, absurd, scoundrel we here at JOM said he is. He's a f*&^king imbecile.

[narciso]

True, NK, but you know baby steps, he's the only official who's not fully on the talking points

[NK]

Narc-- Canada's and Russia's security services are obviously far more proficient in protecting their Homelands than the US system- Fish rotting from the head down effect. God why can't we have Stephen Harper as POTUS.

[Melinda Romanoff on Kindle]

narciso-

It couldn't be the well drilled PR Branch of the FBI. The counterweight to the Secret Service tasked to preventing selfinflicted egg facials.

[Threadkiller]

Beck is angry too...

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/04/beck-i-have-ten-smoking-guns.html?m=1

It is tough to be king of the loons when you spent five years disparaging the loons.

[NK]

"One ping Vassili... one ping only." First time I saw Red October in a manhattan theater I was drunk on very expensive saki and some vodka I had at dinner with Japanese clients-- so I almost missed that. In september 1989 I took advantage of a comp from the Fleet Week people and took a ride aboard the USS Albuquerque SSN 706 out of Groton. Day trip out into the Atlantic near Block Island and back. We were stuck at pierside due to fog, so the tour took place before we got underway. Tour over, still stuck at pierside, so I was chatting with some sonar techs. A kid comes running into the compartment and says that the Red October film crew on the boat one pier over was recording background sounds, and wanted the Albuquerque to send out an active sonar ping for them to record. A radio conversation later-- it was done, 2-3 takes. The active ping sounded exactly like every one you've heard in movies. Unless they went to the sound effect library, I guess that's the one ping Vassili sent out in the movie.

[narciso]

Didn't know you had been a witness to that, NK,

[Cecil Turner]

Well, the most irritating thing in the news this morning is this from the Boston Herald (H/T: Drudge):

Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits

Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.

This is hardly a new concept. A couple months ago, Powerline did a short piece on it, quoting a radical imam:

Scrounging hate preacher Anjem Choudary has told fanatics to copy him by going on benefits — urging: “Claim your Jihad Seeker’s Allowance.”

He cruelly ridiculed non-Muslims who held down 9-to-5 jobs all their lives and said sponging off them made plotting holy war easier. …

And in fact, radicals have been using "benefits" payments for decades. You may recall the some of the London Tube Bombers were on their version of welfare, and practically all their preachers. Seems to me a great argument for enforcing the immigration restrictions on welfare (and possibly deporting those who flout them--seems to me that at least for Tamerlan, it shouldn't have been a hard decision).

[NK]

Can't say that I was-- the movie may have gone to the sound effect library. Anyway-- the 'real thing' does sound like the movies, and I would bet that the sound of the ping hitting the USS Dallas hull was recorded that day-- you could definitely hear and feel the rebound of the ping on the Albuquerque's hull. One more thing, the duty officer did this, and when the first ping went out, the CO came running into the compartment with a 'what the hell is going on' look on his face. He took the duty officer out into the passagway and you could hear one of those muffled conversations, like when you're kid and your parents don't want to argue in front of you.

[narciso]

Yes, CT, it's remarkably like the London bombers, the CCTV caught them on video, but because 'Operation Crevice' had been blown the year earlier, they couldn't or wouldn't recognize them. the older brother replicated the patterns of the trips to the Mosque outside Lahore, similar with the Times Square bomber,

[Cecil Turner]

This from the Times is more than a little hard to swallow:

The investigation into the bombings is still in its earliest stages, and federal authorities were still in the process of corroborating some of the admissions that law enforcement officials said were made by the surviving suspect in the attacks,Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. But they said some of his statements suggested that the two brothers could represent the kind of emerging threat that federal authorities have long feared: angry and alienated young men, apparently self-trained and unaffiliated with any particular terrorist group, able to use the Internet to learn their lethal craft.

Yeah, and that explains how the Russian intelligence services got wind of Tamerlan's activities . . . because they monitor amerikansky interwebs usage of random expatriates. What? Not persuasive? Yeah, for me neither.

Marco Rubio seems to've swallowed it whole, though. Which is another disapointment. Seems to me he needs a stiff dose of skepticism tonic.

[NK]

"...angry and alienated young men, WHILE APPARENTLY unaffiliated with any particular terrorist group, able to MEET WITH OTHER JIHADIS BOTH IN CAMBRIDGE AND RUSSIA ALONG WITH use OF the Internet to learn their lethal craft."

The caps clean up the NY Times' sloppy editing. Unless... they intentionally mislead their readers. The ghost of Walter Duranty lives on.

[narciso]

ThinkRegress, came up with largest 'Squirrel' yet, it's not Salafism, it's brain injury,

[Cecil Turner]

On a similar vein, I was listening to Rush in the car yesterday, as he drew parallels between the media using old pictures of Dzhokhar and Trayvon in an effort to make them look more innocent. I think that's spot-on, but the bigger point in this case is that they're focusing on Dzhokhar's background, which seems to me to be ridiculous. Obviously Tarmerlan is the leader of the two, and it's his experiences that matter.

So: "kid"; "born in Krygyzstan"; "came to America as young boy"; "raised entirely in the US" and similar statements are non-operational. Tamerlan was born in Chechnya and had early memories of the conflict (probably leaving when he was 6-7), lived in Kyrgyzstan and then Dagestan, and came to the US as a teenager. His boxing photo shoot shows he was Islamic and considered himself Chechen, well before his sudden 2010 "radicalization." Suggesting he was influenced solely by the internet is just not plausible.

[Captain Hate]

Duranty was just the stooge of the Sulzberger family. If he hadn't spewed the type of garbage propaganda they wanted to print, they'd have just found somebody else who would.

[Manuel Transmission]

JiB, sorry for not getting back to you yesterday. I was building a full scale 8' chunk of railroad track in my shop.

Probably know him (FIL). Where in the sand was he? Doing petro projects? Aramco or big contractor? I was in Jubail, Ras Tanura and Al-Khobar and Dharan.

He worked for Aramco, but most of the construction was conventional stuff: roads, shopping centers, airports, etc. his name was Russ Armstrong (passed away some years ago).

I just remembered the real legacy he left: he was the guy that stopped all construction for some extended time after asking the 'innocent' question -- do we position all the toilets so you face Mecca, or does your ass face Mecca? Up to that point he had only seen the ragheads using the planters in the malls as crappers.

[narciso]

Ditto, Herbert Matthews, who as Buckley wagged 'got Fidel his job,' then Halberstam in Vietnam,
followed by Salisbury, Shirley Chisholm was a rare exception in Central America, as AM Rosenthal pulled out Bonner, before he got himself killed,

[Rob Crawford]

it's not Salafism, it's brain injury

What's the difference?

[Neo]

“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see.

Did John Kerry just say that Muslims have "no belief system" ?

LUN

[Old Lurker]

Cecil, I know we here don't like to throw otherwise good guys under the bus prematurely, but am I the only one who has about had it with Rubio? To me his ambition has out run his experience.

[Rob Crawford]

Did John Kerry just say that Muslims have "no belief system" ?

Keep in mind that the elite pravda is that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. Therefore, these terrorists believe nothing.

[NK]

Neo-- I referred to that quote in an earlier thread. Kerry is just a f%&king imbecile, he really is as moronic as we describe him here at JOM.

[narciso]

Yes, that was a foolish statement on Lurch's part, and he's repeating the mistake by funding
Al Nusra's partners, it is interesting, to see the limits of Volodya's 'Zachista' cleansing, he has decimated practically every major leader in the Caucasus, yet like 'dragon teeth' they grown back.

[NK]

OL-- fair criticism of Rubio. I described him 2 years ago as a show pony. Last year I described Cruz as a work horse-- hopefully Cruz stays true to his convictions. I am actually optimistic about that.

[Threadkiller]

From Beck's Twitter, assuming it wasn't hacked.

" At 10:06am ET, the hammer drops. NO THEORIES. WE READ THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE http://t.co/widfjnERZA WG z

[NK]

TomM-- congrats on yet another Instalanche re Ricin Follies.

[Janet]

and no policy for jobs???
Who is this fool talking about? Islamic terrorists? Kerry doesn't think they have a belief system & his complaint is that they don't have a policy for jobs!?!

Oh my goodness!

[Janet]

am I the only one who has about had it with Rubio?

No. Me too, OL.

[Rick Ballard]

OL,

I think of him as a Bush Family marionette. The Connecticut Idiot class has carefully studied their Club of Rome charts and determined the necessity of doubling immigration to make up for Americans slaughtered by choice (and Americans in full flight from Blue Hells).

Rubio is just mouthing the garbage generated by the pathetically failing oligarchs unwilling to loosen their clutch on the end of the rope.

[Rob Crawford]

am I the only one who has about had it with Rubio?

I've had it with every pol who's forgotten who they're supposed to work for.

[narciso]

He was on a rant about the Congress, after Lurching into the truth, about the Tsaernaev's

[Janet]

A repost from the last thread -

A wonderful Sultan Knish - Why Muslims Kill

It is brutal.
Maybe I should forward it to John F'n Kerry

[matt]

Good news! Apparently there is division within the NYT. Politico reports that editor Abramson has peeved the staff to no end looking to add sizzle to the paper.

The insufferably arrogant editorial staff is, shockers, calling her insufferably arrogant. That must be some kind of insufferable, but they're all still cashing paychecks, so I guess it's a little bit sufferable.

Perhaps that is what so imbalanced Dowd last week. And Krugman. And Friedman. And Brooks.

Friedman was quoted as saying "I gotta get outa here and find me a dictator!"

[NK]

Carlos Slim will own the NYT Co soon enough..Hmm... Slim at NYT, Murdoch at WSJ/NYPost. Koch Bros at tribune Co-- newspapers may actually become relevant --and entertaining-- again.

[narciso]

The Times has not improved under Carlos Slim's allowance, unlike a respectable oligarch that owns the Independent,

[matt]

Better than Hearst vs Pulitzer, but there are no good papers to keep these people honest.

[Cecil Turner]

. . . but am I the only one who has about had it with Rubio?

Most of these things can be (at least partially) explained by his age/inexperience. He seems mainly to be willing to compromise too much (i.e., principles) to an opposition that's increasingly unprincipled. I think hanging around Chuck Schumer will do wonders for him . . . assuming he's trainable. I'd give him a bit more time before giving up on him.

Cruz, on the other hand, continues to impress. First rate intellect with common sense and a spine. Rubio is suffering at least partly from comparison.

[AliceH]

--“I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see."--

For a brief moment, I thought Kerry was talking about our President.

[maryrose]

Patriot 4 Freedom:
Yes I have been afraid that Thai food would be too hot and that I wouldn't like curry. Your suggestion is a good one and I will sample some dishes and see if I like it. I love egg rolls and rice but it is time to be more adventurous.

[Threadkiller]

I have trusted Rubio all along on matters of citizenship.

[Captain Hate]

Scarblowhard confused Meeka this morning by correcting her about Gosnell's victims not being "fetuses" but "babies". The poor girl has had to listen to Daddy ranting about Jooos being subhumans for so long she's having a hard time with her tiny brain distinguishing who is a real person and who isn't.

[maryrose]

Alice H
You have a wicked sense of humor! What Kerry has inadvertently stated is what the Palestinians are all about. This is why there can't be peace in the Middle East. The Israelis have a belief system. a work ethic, a deep religious faith. The Palestinians have rocket bombs and that's about it.

[narciso]

Beck seems to be showing that the Al Harbi lad is more a Crowder then a Givens,

[Threadkiller]

Let's wait until Rubio has been in as long as McCain. Otherwise we are premature in our judgments of him.

[NK]

Narc-- Slim owns 8% of the shares, what better way to get the rest cheap than to let Pinch and Jill and the gang carry on as they want, let nature take its course and then buy the rest CHEAP!

[Clarice]

Thanks for that link, Janet. Sultan is a genius.

[Threadkiller]

Beck does seem to have a little more bite than bark today. The link I posted above takes you to his radio show.

[maryrose]

CH:
Why does a know thing like Meeka, she actually had to have JoeBlow coach her on how to get a raise from the puppetmasters carry any gravitas at all wrt current events? Even Willy is better than her. Without her daddy, she's just another newsgirl wannabee.

[maryrose]

should be know nothing..

[narciso]

The trolls are already churning,

[Captain Hate]

Shirley Chisholm was a rare exception in Central America

I'm not getting this reference.

maryrose, there's plenty of Thai food that is mildly spiced. The Thai Orchid on Mayfield used to be good and inexpensive but I'm not sure it's still open.

Last night Levin was pounding Christie and his fans.

[AliceH]

NYU student arrested on several violations for unlawful possession of an imitation firearm

Yes. That says imitation firearm.

[narciso]

Sorry, not Chisholm, 404, she was the Central American correspondent, an outlier like Judy Miller,

[Extraneus]

no policy for education

Oh, they have one of those.

[Old Lurker]

TK, you trust him on immigration? Not me.

For example he falls into the classic DC trap of equating spending on enforcement as actual enforcement. He is always referring to "AFTER we arrange to spend $5.5B..."

I was saddened to see Bret Beir last night refer to a Fox pole that shows support for the immigration plan for citizenship to have gone up from the low 70's to the high 70's.

That will only encourage the McIdiots.

[Old Lurker]

Poll, sorry. And who knows how to spell Bret's last name...

[Clarice]

Michelle Malkin
More from @glennbeck re Saudi student al-Harbi event file: Says he had "no-fly" designation, "prior event," not subject to standard vetting

[Porchlight]

Most of these things can be (at least partially) explained by his age/inexperience.

I agree, but that's why he should keep his mouth shut until he's got more of the above under his belt. Instead he's letting his ambition get the better of him.

Right now he's no better than 2007-era Obama on the experience scale AND he's got a higher profile in the Senate than Obama had in his first term, which means any mistakes he makes are going to be happening under the klieg lights instead of on the back bench. And he's thumbing his nose at the base already. Obama wasn't dumb enough to do that.

[NK]

but which al-Harbi(s) are on the no-fly list? is it the same kid?

[Ignatz]

--Cecil, I know we here don't like to throw otherwise good guys under the bus prematurely, but am I the only one who has about had it with Rubio?--

Personally, I'm starting to feel a Strange New Respect for the guy.

[narciso]

Apparently, the document says it's the same guy,

[Old Lurker]

Iggy...say it ain't so!

:-)

[NK]

Same guy? that plus some family connections would explain Prince Saud marching into the Oval Office. Where's the kid now? back in the KSA?

[narciso]

Well here is part of it, in the LUN

[bgates]

Most of these things can be (at least partially) explained by his age/inexperience.

I'm younger than Rubio, I've never held elected or appointed office, and I can read people about as well as I can read Sanskrit, but I know that Chuck Schumer and the rest of his party are implacably hostile to the founding principles of this country.

Cruz, on the other hand, continues to impress. First rate intellect with common sense and a spine.

Cruz has joined the short list of federal government officials who give me hope (with Tom McClintock and Clarence Thomas...it's a short list).

[James D.]

Chuck Schumer and the rest of his party are implacably hostile to the founding principles of this country.

I don't think you can say it any more clearly and succinctly (and correctly) than that.

[Threadkiller]

OL, I also think he is eligible for POTUS.

[narciso]

That jackwagon Minehart in Philadelpia,reversed himself, maybe he realized the pikes were on the way

[narciso]

Well he says it's a typo, that's responsible,

[rse]

If I remember right there was a problem that came up during Rubio's campaign involving a credit card that he actually did not handle wisely at all.

And I think he ventured into the Bush camp after his election to the Senate. Much of jeb's rep on education stems from Fla's scores on NAEP which does not assess what he thinks it does. Fla does better than the norm because it has been using the higher order skills template sooner than most states. And his staffers are rude and worse.

When I go to political functions in Fla, there is very much a division between the Tea Party activists and the access to the trough Reps. Similar to Ga. You have a lot of politicians that are only Rep because that is the current preferred tag to gain election.

[Old Lurker]

I agree, James, bgates nailed it precisely.

[daddy]

"Since the Tsarnaev's were on welfare did they use their ObamaPhones to detonate the bombs?"

Mandatory registration of cellphones! That's the ticket.

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

Cruz has joined the short list of federal government officials who give me hope (with Tom McClintock and Clarence Thomas...it's a short list).

Compare and contrast the MSM's treatment of these three articulate and principled spokesmen for our point of view with its treatment of Rubio, Graham and McCain, et al, and tell me who is feared most by the lefty "intellectual" "elite". And yes those are scare quotes.

Who gets the McCarthy or Uncle Tom treatment from Chris Matthews? Not "My Friends" that's for sure.

[Threadkiller]

Your short list is longer than mine, bgates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zijev_8MF84

[Danube of Thought]

OL, I also think he is eligible for POTUS

Not to put too fine a point on it, but he's got to be nominated and elected first.

[Ignatz]

--"Since the Tsarnaev's were on welfare did they use their ObamaPhones to detonate the bombs?"--

Yes, under the brutality of the sequester we can't afford meat inspectors or air traffic controllers but a couple of days ago I did spot a charming and cheerful TV ad telling one and all about all the free phones Uncle Sugar still has available.

The government is at war with those who fund it.

[Old Lurker]

rse, since you are here, I intended to followup with you about a comment you posted a few weeks back about student comprehension on iPads vs real books. Was that for learning in general, or did you mean specifically that reading a physical book registers in the brain differently than reading the same book on an eReader?

Sorry to be so tardy in responding. I have spent years on the boards of private schools and have been involved in all the tech trends - all of them - and I must say I have wondered how much is for show and how much actually improves teaching and learning.

[hit and run]

Extraneus:
no policy for education

Oh, they have one of those.

Kerry has one for sure.

"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, and if you don’t you get stuck in Iraq.”

[Threadkiller]

Wrong.

[Rick Ballard]

Cruz is fine at pot banging but Walker of Wisconsin and Brownback of Kansas are actually moving agendas with measurable results and accomplishments. Walker's reforms in Wisconsin, made under unrelenting prog fire, are the most substantive I've seen at the state level.

It's interesting to compare a Fnork water carrier with a Tea Pary sound and fury fellow but the Kansas Legislature's "life begins at fertilization" bill may come to have much greater import than the antics of the leads in this week's "Heroes of the Senate" production.

[daddy]

LOL Alice at 10:24.

Unfortunately it's right on the money.

[Ignatz]

Speaking of TV, I was shocked the other day to hear the narrator of a program on the Dark Ages quite explicitly state that the grinding poverty of the Dark Ages was ground a little finer by the Little Ice Age and the spurt in prosperity and knowledge which followed in the later Middle Ages was largely the result of the Medieval Warm Period.

Not sure how such a heresy escaped the censors of our present Dark Age but there it was for all to hear.

[NK]

Ted Cruz effectiveness? TBD-- for sure. That said, if mitch mcconnell becomes majority leader and gives Cruz an investigative subcommittee on Obamacare or Benghazi-- I'd like to see what Cruz can get done with that.

[Danube of Thought]

Has Beck disclosed his ten smoking guns yet?

Glennbeckreleaseyourrecords.com

[centralcal]

Once again comments not posting. sheesh.

Have been trying all morning to thank AliceH for her tip last night re milky spores.

Changed email addy on this - so who knows if it will go through!

[centralcal]

Interesting that using a different email address works. Now trying with my normal email via sign in with Typepad.

[Clarice]

DoT--Here's the Beck short form--good work on his part:http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/armed-and-dangerous-becks-latest-revelations-on-saudi-national-once-considered-person-of-interest-in-boston-bombings/

[Janet]

The MFM are really making fools of themselves.

at WZ - TIME Runs Interference For Jihad, Claims Boxing May Have Been Reason For Boston Terror Attack…

IMO citizens HAVE to be waking up to the insane bias & propaganda of the MFM. That is why it is good to call 'em out every single time..even if it gets old.
Finally, one story will give a person a "light bulb moment".
I bet people in Boston or the Americans that had their legs blown off don't want to hear excuses made for the terrorists.

[Threadkiller]

Thanks Clarice.

[Eric in Boise]

Reminds me of the Onion headline after 911: "Palestinian Suicide Bomber Upset by Stereotypes."

[Rob Crawford]

Read the LUN and tell me I shouldn't be angry.