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April 19, 2013

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Steve

Video: ONE BOSTON MARATHON EXPLOSION SUSPECT IS DEAD!

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/04/video-boston-marathon-explosion-update.html

Cecil Turner

First, are they kidding me? The Times is quoting live eyewitnesses by name but this is still unbelievable.

It is. Police in general are not known for their marksmanship/combat skills, but still . . .

And I'm just spitballin' here, but what in the world is a most wanted type doing taking down a 7-11? Like the rest of it, a little hard to believe.

DGS

Glad they got the rat bastard. Now get the other one.
All MBTA service in Massachusetts is suspended so lots of people, myself included, can't get to work today.

mad jack

Searching house to house. AP says these guys are from Chechnya. Brothers who have legally been in the country for a year.

rse

Does anyone else find it interesting that of all the 7/11s in Boston or other convenience stores these terrorists went to Cambridge Square to rob that one?

That appears in your face and at your beloved events and at your best and brightest and in your suburbs.

rse

And what did Pres Snit Fit know on Wednesday when not getting his way on the 2nd Amendment was the source of such personal outrage?

mad jack

White hatted suspect said to be 19yrs old.

rse

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311443/Boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-killed-shoot-Police-officer-shot-dead-second-terrorist-run-car-chase.html

MJ-that helpful link says that it is the Russian region near Chechnya. Whatever the precise ethnicity they came to kill and as we discussed Tuesday this is many things but prestigious colleges that say they are creating tomorrow's world leaders (that was a Wednesday email) should not be teaching this as senseless and incomprehensible.

That keeps us all intellectually disarmed in acknowledging the existence of Evil. Just like too many were on 9/10/01.

mad jack


The 19 yr old still at large. Searching houses in Watertown.

Cecil Turner
AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.
Chechen?
mad jack

They apparently carjacked an SUV last night and held the driver for an half hour and then let him go. They told him they were the bombers. Long half hour for that guy.

Cecil Turner

From the WaPo :

WASHINGTON — AP sources: Boston bomb suspects from Russia region near Chechnya, lived in US at least 1 year.
and, NBC :
The suspects are brothers with the last name Tsarnaev, law enforcement officials told NBC News. The suspect on the loose is 19 and has a Massachusetts driver’s license, they said. Law enforcement officials told NBC News that both men had international ties, had been in the United States about a year and had military experience.

Clarice

Perfect..How's MSNBC going to report this? Fast work--I can't beat TM on this story.

NK

Has suspect #2 been arrested?

mad jack

Search focused on Cambridge / watertown line area. Can't believe the second guy was able to drive away from shootout!

NK

So if the kid is taken alive.... Does Obummer send him to Gitmo? Or Charleston Navy Brig? How heightened interogation to get actionable intel? Strip him? Sleep deprive? Or say eff it and go right to waterboard?

C.R.

No, he's still at large. A good breaking news twitter feed in the LUN

mad jack

Didn't Putin say he could help a few days ago? Did the Russians guess these bombers were chechnian? I have a vague memory of a report that Putin offered help.

Skoot

Cop killer now - probably won't survive the day.

NK

Thanks CR

NK

Thank you Cambridge and Latin school-- schmucks and traitors

NK

Thank you Cambridge and Latin school-- schmucks and traitors

Patriot4Freedom

Condolences to the family of the slain MIT campus police officer, and wishes for a full recovery to the MBTA officer who was shot.

Sad to hear that Breitbart reported the suspect as Sunil Tripathi (the missing Brown Univ. student) Any competent photo recognition expert could see the suspect wasn't Tripathi.

Hope they catch the murderous little bastard ASAP.

mad jack

Retired FBI agent just had the first mention of the religion of peace when asked on local news what their motive might be. Subject dropped like a bad habit right after.

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Well if you need instant cash 7/11 is a good spot since not to many debit/credit sales there. Plus its quick in and out.

If Chechen or Turk with international military even para this fight to death. Odds are against us to capture alive for humint.

AQ is alive and well.

peter

Hard to believe these terrorists didn't have cash on them, unless they were cut off from their stash.

Skoot

Obscurant reportedly used during manuever. Trained urban fighters? (MOUT).

Rob Crawford

Ever since 9-11 we've heard that AQ wanted Chechens to carry out attacks in the US, on the assumption they don't stand out as much. And a long-term presence means nothing. They plan ahead.

Porchlight

I agree with Skoot, beyond the guy's probable desire to go out fighting, it will be unsurprising if a child and cop killer isn't taken alive. But I hope he is.

Rocco

Local channels are reporting he was a high school wrestler. I think this might be him on masswrestling.com

http://www.masswrestling.com/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?180940.post

Patriot4Freedom

Anyone expecting Obama to mention anything other than guns when he gets around to addressing tonight's events? Not me.

I'm sure he will also find a way to ignore the AQ/jihadist/"War on Terror" aspects.

narciso

Why do they assume they are an isolated cells;

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/02/chechen_commander_le.php

not to mention, several top figures, are Saudi, in their leadership structure, Khattab, most prominent among them..

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

So, is the FBI and the Joint CIC on the job to unearth any other cells or fellow cellmates? Does he have a safe house and way out? This may be more than these two only.

Marlene

These guys are expendable,isn't it probable that a larger cell/plot exists? If they have been in the country for several years,they must have been radicalized as teens for this purpose.
TC,please check in when possible. Greater Boston is shut down?

NK

Obummer? this is shaping up as epic fail for Obummer and the entire elite Blue Social economic model. The City of Cambridge and Cambridge Latin invites these monsters in? deval patrick gives them driver's licenses? they murder and maim; Obummer will give some platitudes to the professional work of law enforcement-- my ass-- the kid put a pre-confession on Facebook! Obummer can't talk Gunz-- the dem pols refuse to do anything, he can't talk immigration now, because Butch Napolitano will be rightly torched for her epic incompetence-- SECURE THE BORDER, the economy? NEXT TOPIC!...so with Obummer it will be all Gay all the time. I'm sure he's fine with that... paging Mr. Love... Mr. Reginald Love.

fdcol63

The problem isn't that they were radicalized in Chechnya and the Muslim world.

The problem is that the radicalization probably continued or even increased WHILE THEY WERE LIVING IN THE BLUE HELL OF CAMBRIDGE.

Janet

Would they be given citizenship under the Gang of 8 amnesty law? Imagine, all their relatives could come here too.

Thomas Collins

Unusually light traffic for a Friday morning in Needham Center. Bagels Best, which is usually crowded at this this, has plenty if ooen seats. Two marked cruisers with uniformed Needham police officers near town hall. It's as if most of the town is in self imposed lockdown.

When I get to work, I'll check back in. I'm taking Washington Street through Dedham, Roslindale, Jamaica Plain, Roxbury and the South End to avoid the Newton/Warertown area.

NK

In Cambridge... no doubt. Who knows if they were active AQ affiliates, in Cambridge they could have easily carried on their free agent Jihadi studies on line... the pressure cooker bomb is right out of the online AQ cookbook.

Jane:  Mock the Media

Marlene,

TC lives outside of Boston - and not in Watertown.

I've been having a posting problem all night ( I can't believe I was awake) and I think it is the LUN that is causing it.

WE'll see if this works.

Thomas Collins

Make that this time and plenty of open seats.

Jane

Hmmm can't post. 3rd attempt

hit and run

TM:
Obvious ploy - as of Monday, Dzhokhar put up similar posts for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and so on. When the time came he highlighted the one that has panned out.

Or, someone else altogether staged the posts and has created a new Facebook account with that name.

Another possibility is that someone working with him simply has access to his account. It's not him (or not always him), but it's not a hoax either.

NK

Janet-- exactly right. The Schumer Amnesty bill is apparently chock full of Open Borders BS, no 'profiling' extended citizenship for relatives, even deported relatives. Do you think Schumer will have a vote in the senate today? Har--dee--har--har.

Jane

I bet that's him Rocco. 1st place. Gee.

hit and run

Has Obama ordered drones available to take the other guy out?

hit and run

Whatever you do, do *not* wear a white hat anywhere in MA today.

NK

Nah... the drones are for Mcconnell.

Captain Hate

Why do they assume they are an isolated cell

Exactly; there have to be a lot of people who knew exactly what these two were up to.

Thomas Collins

I hope this focuses the credentialled moronocracy on the reality that border control and immigration policy is a national security issue, not a we are the world game. Probably a forlorn hope.

Mark Folkestad

Now that some of the confusion has been settled, I'd still like to hear an explanation for the guy they arrested, young with dark, curly hair. I saw the clip several times, and it was not the brother who died. Unless it was number two, and he escaped the handcuffs and custody.

Janet

This LI link has updates. It also reminded me of the Beslan School massacre.

jimmyk

Aspects of this seem pretty amateurish. They obviously have bomb-making and street-fighting skills, but the grand plan doesn't seem very well thought out. Maybe as someone said upthread, they are just expendable operatives. Or maybe it is a small group of very twisted misfits. I hope they catch the second one alive and waterboard him. That'll be ok with Bammy in charge.

Rocco

If this Facebook page is his, (TM's link didn't work for me) it says "Islam" under World View.

http://vk.com/id160300242

hit and run

"As the authorities have said, people around the Boston area should be very vigilant, especially in the Cambridge, Newton, and close by areas. In fact, residents have been told to stay inside and lock the doors. Don't open your doors if anyone comes knocking unless you know it's a cop or a family member, but really they shouldn't be out, so it's probably not your mother-in-law. It's good advice not to answer the door and I'll tell you why. See, people may be tempted to grab an assault rifle to defend themselves, but I'm telling you that's not necessary. It's dangerous, okay? The authorities didn't say this, but I'm telling you, look, I'm Vice President, I've been a gun owner all my adult life, and I have a higher IQ than you do, so I know what I'm talking about. My shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

centralcal

Whoa - what news to wake up to!

Was it DoT who speculated they were brothers? I recall one of our commenters doing that.

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Isn't this a black eye for the FBI, Homeland Security and our Counter Terrorism efforts. Shouldn't they have known of recent arrivals of Chechen nationals and monitoring their communities? I have a hard time believing these two weren't on the radar. If not then intel fail.

NK

TC-- hope is forlorn for voters in Blue hell states. the Blue Dems know their socio/political/economic model is dead-- TO USA CITIZENS. Their only hope for survival is to swamp current citizens with new impoverished socialistic citizens who'll vote Dem. Now that's a recipe for economic and social disaster-- but these traitorous bastards like Schumer and fauxchhontas don't care about American Civilization, they just care about their own personal power for the next 20 years. They are anti-american nihilists.

Jane

I think he was the "naked guy" Mark, and a mistake. But it seems everything turns out to be wrong.

SOmeone's just been captured - a woman. this is fascinating.

jimmyk

Yeah, hit, I was thinking along the same lines. This would have played out a little differently in Texas, I suspect.

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Test

NK

jimmyk@8:36-- agree with your assessment, at this early point I tend to think these are free agent Jihadis like Underwear and Times Square;

Hit@8:36-- too funny!

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Whats with that American flag?

Rocco

Agents on bullhorns yelling come out come out. House in Watertown

Rocco

Quimby and Dexter streets

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Sorry to disagree but I believe because of Chechen connection they are part of something international and not independent operators. Chechens and Turks are known AQ mercinaries. Look at Tunisia, Libya and Syria.

Porchlight

OT - this was probably linked on the last thread but I can't keep up. Huge defeat for gun control bill in IL (!!!) per Insty. Many Dems join the GOP to take it down, 31-76.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/167355/

How do they not get that gun control is hugely unpopular? Obama may exaggerate poll results for his own benefit but remember, college-educated libs are supposed to be smart and way into FACTS. And they're supposed to be able to READ. Most polls showed a sharp dropoff in general support for gun control legislation since Sandy Hook.

Thanks Clarice for posting this on FB or I would have missed it.

Rocco

Here's a live stream of our local FOX TV

http://www.myfoxboston.com/category/235888/fox-25-live-video-stream

NK

pretty comprehensive report here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_CONVERGE_MASS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-19-07-09-32

Clarice

This should really hep the Immigration bill pass.

NK

In that AP report, the Md Uncle claims the Chechnans have been here about 'a decade'. Was the older Brother the more radical and he suicide vested himself?

Mark Folkestad

Jane, yeah, it may have been just some poor guy with the misfortune to look like one of the suspects. Hell to be him for a little while.

Fascinating details coming out, much thanks to the uncle of the terrorists. In this country for ten years. And this is how they repay their country of refuge.

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

MF,

Muzzies have only one country of refuge and loyalty - Islam.

NK

Open Borders = national suicide

Rocco

Lowell Sun article about older brother boxing in the Golden Gloves.

http://www.lowellsun.com/sports/ci_14998013

Jane

So they have got him in that house it seems. And now they just need to get him out.

I assume he is going to blow the place up.

NK

For the Jihadi... there is only the Ummah;

If they have been here a decade, I guess the meme on the Left will be; "Booosh let them in from Chechnya-- his fault. NOW we have much better relations with Putin, so we don't get his terrorists anymore" ...or something.

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

test

NK

Jane-- I got a text saying that #2 has posted a message on line from the house. If authentic post, he wants to go out like Jimmy Cagney in White Heat.

AliceH

Porch - here's more on the defeat of the IL "may issue" bill defeat. Note, it was followed by a countering "shall issue" bill, also defeated.

If no carry bill is passed by June 9 (a Sunday), then by default only the existing FOID card will be required for legal carry in IL.

rse

http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/I000016v_q53EMd4

Have you seen these photos that the older brother was a golden gloves boxer? The irony of the name will box for passport.

Porchlight

Thanks, AliceH!

daddy

Just came into the Hotel room and turned on the TV to CNN.

Almost the first words from the CNN reporter are exactly as follows: "The ethnicity of these suspects at this time are irrelevant."

Guess I will now start reading the thread to find out why the ethnicity of these suspects is irrelevant.

Captain Hate

If they have been here a decade, I guess the meme on the Left will be; "Booosh let them in from Chechnya-- his fault. NOW we have much better relations with Putin, so we don't get his terrorists anymore" ...or something.

His uncle said they came in 2000 so that would be Slick and his gang of idiots.

NK

Daddy-- IMO ethnicity is irrelevant... they are murderous Jihadis, that's what's relevant.

jimmyk

No disagreement, JiB, that was option #1, expendable operatives.

Jane

I posted this before but I don't think it worked.

The older (dead) brother said he liked America because you could work hard and make money which you can't do in Russia.

He was currently unemployed.

This is surely an impeachable offense.

NK

Thanks JiB...2000?...hmm.. expided saudi visas and Chechnyans. Hill/Bill the gift that keeps giving to America.

jimmyk

The People's Cube ‏@ThePeoplesCube
#manhunt which house will the suspect try to hide in? The one with the Prius in the driveway or the one with the pick up & NRA sticker #tcot

Wanda X

"If no carry bill is passed by June 9 (a Sunday), then by default only the existing FOID card will be required for legal carry in IL. "

But with home rule, any Illinois city/county can pass whatever restrictions they want as long as conceal carry is available...i.e. Chicago will impose NYC style "may issue" laws. That means the only folks who are allowed to carry in Chicago will be politicians and their connected friends. Anyone visiting or driving through Chicago will be required to follow the same rules or face charges with jail time and fines. There will be a patchwork of varying rules throughout the state. The lawsuits will be filed and work their way through the court for many years.

Jack is Back!

Isn't this a black eye for our counter intelligence efforts since 911? Why would a known Chcechan community with recent emigre's not be under some kind of surveillance or check out including photos? Did the FBI have face recognition on these guys or were they completely in the dark?

When you look at the Chechans even before 911 and then after their mercenary experience it is hard to believe they are not an "ethinicity of interest" at all times.

typical lurker

the dead mit police officer...was he armed?

Rick Ballard

Maybe he'll surrender if they offer him a Dream Act scholarship followed by a tenured position at Harvard? He'd fit right in.

Would anyone care to guess how many Mahometan sleepers are roaming around?

Jack is Back!

Very interesting link at rse's 9:10.

The boxer says he has no American friends. Doesn't understand them. I guess he does now.

Rob Crawford
They obviously have bomb-making and street-fighting skills, but the grand plan doesn't seem very well thought out.

Remember that after the first WTC attack, one of the conspirators attempted to collect the deposit on the rental van that carried the bomb...

And does anyone else think that "locking down" an entire CITY is overkill?

Marlene

Oh jeez,is Gretchen Carlson dim? "These young men have been in this country for years,will we call them domestic terrorists or foreign terrorists?"

Walter

Salon magazine must be thrilled: You can't get more Caucasian than the Caucasus mountains.

The fact they begin just north of Tehran is irrelevant.

sbwaters

Now I don't normally watch CNN, but, clicking through, I appreciate that the first time someone said "Islamic terrorist" another immediately interrupted to say, "Islamic and terrorist, but premature to link the two."

That is a parsing I think proper at this time.

Rob Crawford

The dead one had, according to the hospital, "too many gunshot wounds to count".

Since it appears they hit the right guy, I'll swallow the snark about police marksmanship.

NK

Could be coincidence... TBD: http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/211292/37/Source-Police-Investigating-Car-from-Mass-in-Niagara-Falls

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