One Down, One At Large

The Wild West came to Boston last night. One bombing suspect has been killed and one remains at large. This is from the NY Times:

One of two suspects wanted in Monday’s deadly Boston marathon bombing was killed early Friday in a violent standoff with the police in a quiet residential neighborhood just west of Boston. The second suspect remained at large following what authorities described as a deadly crime spree that left one police officer dead and another seriously wounded.

...

Police confirmed that, at around 10:30 p.m. there had been a robbery at a 7/11 store in Central Square, Cambridge, apparently by the white-hatted suspect.

Shortly afterward, a campus police officer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was shot and killed while responding to a suspicious incident. Police chased the two suspects, apparently in a black Mercedes SUV, to Watertown, where two residents of Laurel Street said they heard what sounded like firecrackers going off shortly before midnight. When they looked out of their windows, they saw the two young men taking cover behind the black Mercedes, in a shootout with dozens of police about 70 yards away. A transit police officer was shot, said a police spokesman, Dave Procopio, and was in serious condition.

A Watertown resident, Andrew Kitzenberg, 29, said he looked out his third-floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets engaged in “constant gunfire” with police officers. A police SUV “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway.

The two shooters, he said, had a large, unwieldy bomb that he said looked “like a pressure cooker.”

“They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it. But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and one of the two men ran toward the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said.

The explosions, said another resident, Loretta Kehayias, 65, “lit up the whole house. I screamed. I’ve never seen anything like this, never, never, never.”

Meanwhile, the other young man, said Mr. Kitzenberg, got back into the SUV, turned it toward officers and “put the pedal to the metal.” The car “went right through the cops, broke right through and continued west.”

The two men left “a few backpacks right by the car, and there is a bomb robot out there now.” Police had told residents to stay away from their windows, he said.

At least two people, one of whom appeared to be a police officer and the other a man in handcuffs were taken from the scene in ambulances, said a Dexter Street resident who declined to give his name.

First, are they kidding me? The Times is quoting live eyewitnesses by name but this is still unbelievable. Are these guys lucky amateurs or did they manage to stand off and escape from a shootout with "dozens" due to military or terrorist training?

FWIW, and given the many media flubs I would say not much, one of the Fox Fiends claims that on the police scanners she overheard chatter about police in pursuit of a man of "Middle Eastern origin". I could probably switch to MSNBC and learn he is a Tea Partier...

7 AM: The Justice dept has identified the dead suspect. Apparently these are Chechen brothers. Fox is afraid to try and spell the name, which they can scarcely pronounce. Here they go with a graphic:

Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev

The brothers have been living in Cambridge for the past year [now, 'several'].

VIA the DU, a "Dzhokhar Tsarnaev" won a 2011 scholarship for Boston-area high school grads:

Cambridge announces 2011 City Scholarship recipients

Posted by Brock Parker  May 6, 2011 01:53 PM

The City of Cambridge has announced the 2011 City Scholarship recipients for seniors at Cambridge Rindge and Latin School and others pursuing higher education.

The city is awarding the $2,500 scholarships to 45 students using contributions from citizens and businesses. About 35 to 45 scholarships are awarded each year, according to the city.

...

The 2011 Recipients:

Sarah Adkins, Arjun Agarwala, Jason Tang, Neyka Alexandre, Paola Arias Sanabria, Ty Atkin, Ariane Berelowitch, Samuel Borrus, Samisa Brioso, Joan Brunetta, Gina Chen, Gwendolyn Child, Abina Cohen, Kayla Coleman, Katrina Cooper, Judy Cortes, Anne-Marie Denis, Sira Fati, Jillian Felie, Hannah Firestone, Carlos Galvao, Kidan Gebremedhin, Yordanos Gebremichl, Adam Gelaw, Lillianna Griggs, David Guan, Pouchy Guerrier, Michael Sferza-Lewis, Hichem Hadjeres, Regina Hallisey, Pasang Lhamo, Rebecca Loh, Rebecca Mazur, Amatullah Mervin, Kathleen Mullen, Suryani Dewa Ayu, Liam O’Leary, Rebecca Pearce-Probst, Megan Rebello, Rose Schutzberg, Hyun-Wook Seo, Alexandros Stefanakis, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Dorcas Yip, Fesehaye Zewdie.

Dzhokhar has a MyLife account which I can't access.

However, there is a Dzhokhar Tsarnaev on Facebook; 2 minute ago he posted a link to this eerily prescient post ostensibly from April 15 just after the bombing. The claim, made Monday, is that a "security commission" is staging this and will take down a young, unstable man in a Friday raid; the NRA will be blamed and gunpowder banned.

Obvious ploy - as of Monday, Dzhokhar put up similar predictive posts for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and so on. When the time came he highlighted the one that has panned out.

Or, someone else altogether staged the predictions and has created a new Facebook account with that name once it was released. Mark Zuckerberg can track the history of the account but I can't. And do I know anything about how to manipulate Tumbler timestamps? No. [FWIW, several false twitter accounts have been set up in this guys name. Presumably, a fake Facebook account would have been easy.]

WHILE I WAS TYPING: OK, that Facebook account is down and I don't have a screenshot. Boston Truthers will want this Tumbler to which the poster linked:

Yes, it's crazy, but eventually it will be in the news.

MY LATEST ABSURD SPECULATION: Buzzfeed runs down online info on the Tsarnaev family, including this:

Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, who shares an address with the two men and could be their mother, was arrested last summer for shoplifting.

Loss prevention from Lord & Taylor called to report they had detained a shoplifter. Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, of 410 Norfolk St., Apt. 3, Cambridge, was arrested and charged with larceny over $250...

There is a Lord & Taylor at the finish line of the Boston Marathon near one of the bomb sites. Coincidence or motive?

Chechnya: The Council On Foreign Relations has a brief history of Chechnya and terror, with a section on the Al Qaeda connection:

Experts say there are several ties between the al-Qaeda network and Chechen groups. A Chechen warlord known as Khattab is said to have met with Osama bin Laden while both men were fighting the 1979-89 Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Alexander Vershbow, a U.S. ambassador to Russia, said shortly after September 11, 2001, "We have long recognized that Osama bin Laden and other international networks have been fueling the flames in Chechnya, including the involvement of foreign commanders like Khattab." Khattab was killed in April 2002.

Zacarias Moussaoui, who was convicted for his involvement in the September 11 attacks, was reported by the Wall Street Journal to be formerly "a recruiter for al-Qaeda-backed rebels in Chechnya." Chechen militants reportedly fought alongside al-Qaeda and Taliban forces against the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance in late 2001. The Taliban regime in Afghanistan was one of the only governments to recognize Chechen independence.

Russian authorities, including Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, have repeatedly stressed the involvement of international terrorists and Bin Laden associates in Chechnya--in part, experts say, to generate Western sympathy for Russia's military campaign against the Chechen rebels. Russia's former defense minister, Sergei Ivanov, claimed that a videotape of Khattab meeting with bin Laden had been found in Afghanistan, but Russia has not aired the tape publicly.

Daniel Pipes and the Middle East Forum have more.

Comments

[Steve]

Video: ONE BOSTON MARATHON EXPLOSION SUSPECT IS DEAD!

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/04/video-boston-marathon-explosion-update.html

[Cecil Turner]

First, are they kidding me? The Times is quoting live eyewitnesses by name but this is still unbelievable.

It is. Police in general are not known for their marksmanship/combat skills, but still . . .

And I'm just spitballin' here, but what in the world is a most wanted type doing taking down a 7-11? Like the rest of it, a little hard to believe.

[DGS]

Glad they got the rat bastard. Now get the other one.
All MBTA service in Massachusetts is suspended so lots of people, myself included, can't get to work today.

[mad jack]

Searching house to house. AP says these guys are from Chechnya. Brothers who have legally been in the country for a year.

[rse]

Does anyone else find it interesting that of all the 7/11s in Boston or other convenience stores these terrorists went to Cambridge Square to rob that one?

That appears in your face and at your beloved events and at your best and brightest and in your suburbs.

[rse]

And what did Pres Snit Fit know on Wednesday when not getting his way on the 2nd Amendment was the source of such personal outrage?

[mad jack]

White hatted suspect said to be 19yrs old.

[rse]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311443/Boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-killed-shoot-Police-officer-shot-dead-second-terrorist-run-car-chase.html

MJ-that helpful link says that it is the Russian region near Chechnya. Whatever the precise ethnicity they came to kill and as we discussed Tuesday this is many things but prestigious colleges that say they are creating tomorrow's world leaders (that was a Wednesday email) should not be teaching this as senseless and incomprehensible.

That keeps us all intellectually disarmed in acknowledging the existence of Evil. Just like too many were on 9/10/01.

[mad jack]

The 19 yr old still at large. Searching houses in Watertown.

[Cecil Turner]

AP: Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.

Chechen?

[mad jack]

They apparently carjacked an SUV last night and held the driver for an half hour and then let him go. They told him they were the bombers. Long half hour for that guy.

[Cecil Turner]

From the WaPo :

WASHINGTON — AP sources: Boston bomb suspects from Russia region near Chechnya, lived in US at least 1 year.

and, NBC :

The suspects are brothers with the last name Tsarnaev, law enforcement officials told NBC News. The suspect on the loose is 19 and has a Massachusetts driver’s license, they said. Law enforcement officials told NBC News that both men had international ties, had been in the United States about a year and had military experience.

[Clarice]

Perfect..How's MSNBC going to report this? Fast work--I can't beat TM on this story.

[NK]

Has suspect #2 been arrested?

[mad jack]

Search focused on Cambridge / watertown line area. Can't believe the second guy was able to drive away from shootout!

[NK]

So if the kid is taken alive.... Does Obummer send him to Gitmo? Or Charleston Navy Brig? How heightened interogation to get actionable intel? Strip him? Sleep deprive? Or say eff it and go right to waterboard?

[C.R.]

No, he's still at large. A good breaking news twitter feed in the LUN

[mad jack]

Didn't Putin say he could help a few days ago? Did the Russians guess these bombers were chechnian? I have a vague memory of a report that Putin offered help.

[Skoot]

Cop killer now - probably won't survive the day.

[NK]

Thanks CR

[NK]

Thank you Cambridge and Latin school-- schmucks and traitors

[NK]

Thank you Cambridge and Latin school-- schmucks and traitors

[Patriot4Freedom]

Condolences to the family of the slain MIT campus police officer, and wishes for a full recovery to the MBTA officer who was shot.

Sad to hear that Breitbart reported the suspect as Sunil Tripathi (the missing Brown Univ. student) Any competent photo recognition expert could see the suspect wasn't Tripathi.

Hope they catch the murderous little bastard ASAP.

[mad jack]

Retired FBI agent just had the first mention of the religion of peace when asked on local news what their motive might be. Subject dropped like a bad habit right after.

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

Well if you need instant cash 7/11 is a good spot since not to many debit/credit sales there. Plus its quick in and out.

If Chechen or Turk with international military even para this fight to death. Odds are against us to capture alive for humint.

AQ is alive and well.

[peter]

Hard to believe these terrorists didn't have cash on them, unless they were cut off from their stash.

[Skoot]

Obscurant reportedly used during manuever. Trained urban fighters? (MOUT).

[Rob Crawford]

Ever since 9-11 we've heard that AQ wanted Chechens to carry out attacks in the US, on the assumption they don't stand out as much. And a long-term presence means nothing. They plan ahead.

[Porchlight]

I agree with Skoot, beyond the guy's probable desire to go out fighting, it will be unsurprising if a child and cop killer isn't taken alive. But I hope he is.

[Rocco]

Local channels are reporting he was a high school wrestler. I think this might be him on masswrestling.com

http://www.masswrestling.com/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?180940.post

[Patriot4Freedom]

Anyone expecting Obama to mention anything other than guns when he gets around to addressing tonight's events? Not me.

I'm sure he will also find a way to ignore the AQ/jihadist/"War on Terror" aspects.

[narciso]

Why do they assume they are an isolated cells;

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/02/chechen_commander_le.php

not to mention, several top figures, are Saudi, in their leadership structure, Khattab, most prominent among them..

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

So, is the FBI and the Joint CIC on the job to unearth any other cells or fellow cellmates? Does he have a safe house and way out? This may be more than these two only.

[Marlene]

These guys are expendable,isn't it probable that a larger cell/plot exists? If they have been in the country for several years,they must have been radicalized as teens for this purpose.
TC,please check in when possible. Greater Boston is shut down?

[NK]

Obummer? this is shaping up as epic fail for Obummer and the entire elite Blue Social economic model. The City of Cambridge and Cambridge Latin invites these monsters in? deval patrick gives them driver's licenses? they murder and maim; Obummer will give some platitudes to the professional work of law enforcement-- my ass-- the kid put a pre-confession on Facebook! Obummer can't talk Gunz-- the dem pols refuse to do anything, he can't talk immigration now, because Butch Napolitano will be rightly torched for her epic incompetence-- SECURE THE BORDER, the economy? NEXT TOPIC!...so with Obummer it will be all Gay all the time. I'm sure he's fine with that... paging Mr. Love... Mr. Reginald Love.

[fdcol63]

The problem isn't that they were radicalized in Chechnya and the Muslim world.

The problem is that the radicalization probably continued or even increased WHILE THEY WERE LIVING IN THE BLUE HELL OF CAMBRIDGE.

[Janet]

Would they be given citizenship under the Gang of 8 amnesty law? Imagine, all their relatives could come here too.

[Thomas Collins]

Unusually light traffic for a Friday morning in Needham Center. Bagels Best, which is usually crowded at this this, has plenty if ooen seats. Two marked cruisers with uniformed Needham police officers near town hall. It's as if most of the town is in self imposed lockdown.

When I get to work, I'll check back in. I'm taking Washington Street through Dedham, Roslindale, Jamaica Plain, Roxbury and the South End to avoid the Newton/Warertown area.

[NK]

In Cambridge... no doubt. Who knows if they were active AQ affiliates, in Cambridge they could have easily carried on their free agent Jihadi studies on line... the pressure cooker bomb is right out of the online AQ cookbook.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

Marlene,

TC lives outside of Boston - and not in Watertown.

I've been having a posting problem all night ( I can't believe I was awake) and I think it is the LUN that is causing it.

WE'll see if this works.

[Thomas Collins]

Make that this time and plenty of open seats.

[Jane]

Hmmm can't post. 3rd attempt

[hit and run]

TM:
Obvious ploy - as of Monday, Dzhokhar put up similar posts for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and so on. When the time came he highlighted the one that has panned out.

Or, someone else altogether staged the posts and has created a new Facebook account with that name.

Another possibility is that someone working with him simply has access to his account. It's not him (or not always him), but it's not a hoax either.

[NK]

Janet-- exactly right. The Schumer Amnesty bill is apparently chock full of Open Borders BS, no 'profiling' extended citizenship for relatives, even deported relatives. Do you think Schumer will have a vote in the senate today? Har--dee--har--har.

[Jane]

I bet that's him Rocco. 1st place. Gee.

[hit and run]

Has Obama ordered drones available to take the other guy out?

[hit and run]

Whatever you do, do *not* wear a white hat anywhere in MA today.

[NK]

Nah... the drones are for Mcconnell.

[Captain Hate]

Why do they assume they are an isolated cell

Exactly; there have to be a lot of people who knew exactly what these two were up to.

[Thomas Collins]

I hope this focuses the credentialled moronocracy on the reality that border control and immigration policy is a national security issue, not a we are the world game. Probably a forlorn hope.

[Mark Folkestad]

Now that some of the confusion has been settled, I'd still like to hear an explanation for the guy they arrested, young with dark, curly hair. I saw the clip several times, and it was not the brother who died. Unless it was number two, and he escaped the handcuffs and custody.

[Janet]

This LI link has updates. It also reminded me of the Beslan School massacre.

[jimmyk]

Aspects of this seem pretty amateurish. They obviously have bomb-making and street-fighting skills, but the grand plan doesn't seem very well thought out. Maybe as someone said upthread, they are just expendable operatives. Or maybe it is a small group of very twisted misfits. I hope they catch the second one alive and waterboard him. That'll be ok with Bammy in charge.

[Rocco]

If this Facebook page is his, (TM's link didn't work for me) it says "Islam" under World View.

http://vk.com/id160300242

[hit and run]

"As the authorities have said, people around the Boston area should be very vigilant, especially in the Cambridge, Newton, and close by areas. In fact, residents have been told to stay inside and lock the doors. Don't open your doors if anyone comes knocking unless you know it's a cop or a family member, but really they shouldn't be out, so it's probably not your mother-in-law. It's good advice not to answer the door and I'll tell you why. See, people may be tempted to grab an assault rifle to defend themselves, but I'm telling you that's not necessary. It's dangerous, okay? The authorities didn't say this, but I'm telling you, look, I'm Vice President, I've been a gun owner all my adult life, and I have a higher IQ than you do, so I know what I'm talking about. My shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

[centralcal]

Whoa - what news to wake up to!

Was it DoT who speculated they were brothers? I recall one of our commenters doing that.

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

Isn't this a black eye for the FBI, Homeland Security and our Counter Terrorism efforts. Shouldn't they have known of recent arrivals of Chechen nationals and monitoring their communities? I have a hard time believing these two weren't on the radar. If not then intel fail.

[NK]

TC-- hope is forlorn for voters in Blue hell states. the Blue Dems know their socio/political/economic model is dead-- TO USA CITIZENS. Their only hope for survival is to swamp current citizens with new impoverished socialistic citizens who'll vote Dem. Now that's a recipe for economic and social disaster-- but these traitorous bastards like Schumer and fauxchhontas don't care about American Civilization, they just care about their own personal power for the next 20 years. They are anti-american nihilists.

[Jane]

I think he was the "naked guy" Mark, and a mistake. But it seems everything turns out to be wrong.

SOmeone's just been captured - a woman. this is fascinating.

[jimmyk]

Yeah, hit, I was thinking along the same lines. This would have played out a little differently in Texas, I suspect.

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

Test

[NK]

jimmyk@8:36-- agree with your assessment, at this early point I tend to think these are free agent Jihadis like Underwear and Times Square;

Hit@8:36-- too funny!

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

Whats with that American flag?

[Rocco]

Agents on bullhorns yelling come out come out. House in Watertown

[Rocco]

Quimby and Dexter streets

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

Sorry to disagree but I believe because of Chechen connection they are part of something international and not independent operators. Chechens and Turks are known AQ mercinaries. Look at Tunisia, Libya and Syria.

[Porchlight]

OT - this was probably linked on the last thread but I can't keep up. Huge defeat for gun control bill in IL (!!!) per Insty. Many Dems join the GOP to take it down, 31-76.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/167355/

How do they not get that gun control is hugely unpopular? Obama may exaggerate poll results for his own benefit but remember, college-educated libs are supposed to be smart and way into FACTS. And they're supposed to be able to READ. Most polls showed a sharp dropoff in general support for gun control legislation since Sandy Hook.

Thanks Clarice for posting this on FB or I would have missed it.

[Rocco]

Here's a live stream of our local FOX TV

http://www.myfoxboston.com/category/235888/fox-25-live-video-stream

[NK]

pretty comprehensive report here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_CONVERGE_MASS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-19-07-09-32

[Clarice]

This should really hep the Immigration bill pass.

[NK]

In that AP report, the Md Uncle claims the Chechnans have been here about 'a decade'. Was the older Brother the more radical and he suicide vested himself?

[Mark Folkestad]

Jane, yeah, it may have been just some poor guy with the misfortune to look like one of the suspects. Hell to be him for a little while.

Fascinating details coming out, much thanks to the uncle of the terrorists. In this country for ten years. And this is how they repay their country of refuge.

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

MF,

Muzzies have only one country of refuge and loyalty - Islam.

[NK]

Open Borders = national suicide

[Rocco]

Lowell Sun article about older brother boxing in the Golden Gloves.

http://www.lowellsun.com/sports/ci_14998013

[Jane]

So they have got him in that house it seems. And now they just need to get him out.

I assume he is going to blow the place up.

[NK]

For the Jihadi... there is only the Ummah;

If they have been here a decade, I guess the meme on the Left will be; "Booosh let them in from Chechnya-- his fault. NOW we have much better relations with Putin, so we don't get his terrorists anymore" ...or something.

[Jack is Back! (On his iPad)]

test

[NK]

Jane-- I got a text saying that #2 has posted a message on line from the house. If authentic post, he wants to go out like Jimmy Cagney in White Heat.

[AliceH]

Porch - here's more on the defeat of the IL "may issue" bill defeat. Note, it was followed by a countering "shall issue" bill, also defeated.

If no carry bill is passed by June 9 (a Sunday), then by default only the existing FOID card will be required for legal carry in IL.

[rse]

http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Will-Box-For-Passport/G0000VQW7v6xWA7o/I000016v_q53EMd4

Have you seen these photos that the older brother was a golden gloves boxer? The irony of the name will box for passport.

[Porchlight]

Thanks, AliceH!

[daddy]

Just came into the Hotel room and turned on the TV to CNN.

Almost the first words from the CNN reporter are exactly as follows: "The ethnicity of these suspects at this time are irrelevant."

Guess I will now start reading the thread to find out why the ethnicity of these suspects is irrelevant.

[Captain Hate]

If they have been here a decade, I guess the meme on the Left will be; "Booosh let them in from Chechnya-- his fault. NOW we have much better relations with Putin, so we don't get his terrorists anymore" ...or something.

His uncle said they came in 2000 so that would be Slick and his gang of idiots.

[NK]

Daddy-- IMO ethnicity is irrelevant... they are murderous Jihadis, that's what's relevant.

[jimmyk]

No disagreement, JiB, that was option #1, expendable operatives.

[Jane]

I posted this before but I don't think it worked.

The older (dead) brother said he liked America because you could work hard and make money which you can't do in Russia.

He was currently unemployed.

This is surely an impeachable offense.

[NK]

Thanks JiB...2000?...hmm.. expided saudi visas and Chechnyans. Hill/Bill the gift that keeps giving to America.

[jimmyk]

The People's Cube ‏@ThePeoplesCube
#manhunt which house will the suspect try to hide in? The one with the Prius in the driveway or the one with the pick up & NRA sticker #tcot

[Wanda X]

"If no carry bill is passed by June 9 (a Sunday), then by default only the existing FOID card will be required for legal carry in IL. "

But with home rule, any Illinois city/county can pass whatever restrictions they want as long as conceal carry is available...i.e. Chicago will impose NYC style "may issue" laws. That means the only folks who are allowed to carry in Chicago will be politicians and their connected friends. Anyone visiting or driving through Chicago will be required to follow the same rules or face charges with jail time and fines. There will be a patchwork of varying rules throughout the state. The lawsuits will be filed and work their way through the court for many years.

[Jack is Back!]

Isn't this a black eye for our counter intelligence efforts since 911? Why would a known Chcechan community with recent emigre's not be under some kind of surveillance or check out including photos? Did the FBI have face recognition on these guys or were they completely in the dark?

When you look at the Chechans even before 911 and then after their mercenary experience it is hard to believe they are not an "ethinicity of interest" at all times.

[typical lurker]

the dead mit police officer...was he armed?

[Rick Ballard]

Maybe he'll surrender if they offer him a Dream Act scholarship followed by a tenured position at Harvard? He'd fit right in.

Would anyone care to guess how many Mahometan sleepers are roaming around?

[Jack is Back!]

Very interesting link at rse's 9:10.

The boxer says he has no American friends. Doesn't understand them. I guess he does now.

[Rob Crawford]

They obviously have bomb-making and street-fighting skills, but the grand plan doesn't seem very well thought out.

Remember that after the first WTC attack, one of the conspirators attempted to collect the deposit on the rental van that carried the bomb...

And does anyone else think that "locking down" an entire CITY is overkill?

[Marlene]

Oh jeez,is Gretchen Carlson dim? "These young men have been in this country for years,will we call them domestic terrorists or foreign terrorists?"

[Walter]

Salon magazine must be thrilled: You can't get more Caucasian than the Caucasus mountains.

The fact they begin just north of Tehran is irrelevant.

[sbwaters]

Now I don't normally watch CNN, but, clicking through, I appreciate that the first time someone said "Islamic terrorist" another immediately interrupted to say, "Islamic and terrorist, but premature to link the two."

That is a parsing I think proper at this time.

[Rob Crawford]

The dead one had, according to the hospital, "too many gunshot wounds to count".

Since it appears they hit the right guy, I'll swallow the snark about police marksmanship.

[NK]

Could be coincidence... TBD: http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/211292/37/Source-Police-Investigating-Car-from-Mass-in-Niagara-Falls