Obama drew a "red line" about the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime in Syria. Awkward:
U.S. Says It Suspects Assad Used Chemical Weapons
By MARK LANDLER
WASHINGTON — The White House said on Thursday that American intelligence agencies now believed, with “varying degrees of confidence,” that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons, but it said it needed conclusive proof before President Obama would take action.
The disclosure, in letters to Congressional leaders, takes the administration a step closer to acknowledging that President Bashar al-Assad has crossed a red line established by Mr. Obama last summer, when he said the United States would take unspecified action against Syria if there was evidence that chemical weapons had been used in the civil war.
I note a divergence - the Amdinistration now claims it needs "conclusive proof", but per this account Obama only needed "evidence". I know what he said last summer:
We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.
We are now learning that by "seeing" Obama meant seeing and tasting and touching and having some Syrian chemicals snuggle in his lap and tickle him. As Obama has said in another context and might have said here, "Don't call my bluff!"
Which is fair enough in one sense. By announcing a red line, Obama ceded the initiative to the Syrians. The odds are that "they" have chosen to cross it, but whether "they" are the Assad people directly or rogue regime hardliners who are willing to burn down everything is something we don't know and ought to find out.
That said, Presidential talk is not meant to be so cheap. Currently, the White House has its lawyers as the line of defense:
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, wrapping up weeklong travels in the Middle East that included daily discussions of the Syria crisis, said he was prepared to “give advice on policy decisions” for Pentagon action, but cautioned that much remained uncertain about the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime.
Asked if this assessment had proven that Syria had crossed a “red line” drawn by the president, he responded, “We need all the facts, we need all the information.” He noted that uncertainties remained over “what was used, where it was used, who used it.”
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Even if the United Nations investigation proves the use of chemicals, an official said, the White House must determine who used them and whether they were used deliberately or accidentally. He did not offer a timetable for that process.
“It is precisely because this is a red line that we have to establish with airtight certainty that this happened,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity so he could discuss internal deliberations. “The bar on the United States is higher than on anyone else, both because of our capabilities and because of our history in Iraq.”
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, speaking in Cairo during a Middle East tour that has been dominated by worries about Syria, said, “Suspicions are one thing; evidence is another.”
It is a war zone, not an NCIS crime scene, and it is inconceivable that we will gather "all" the facts. Which means that at some point, ready or not, away we will have to go. Or almost certainly not, unless the Pentagon offers some stand-offish cruise missile type responses. Syrian civilans can die in droves but Obama won't be putting US boots on the ground.
Menu items were suggested by the always temperate John McCain:
Mr. McCain called on the president to begin supplying weapons to the rebels, which he has so far refused to do; to enforce a no-fly zone over Syria; and to redouble pressure on Russia to abandon its support for the Assad regime.
Time will tell.
METAPHOR FAIL, OR, DO THE EXPERTS EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR?
Experts on chemical warfare said the administration’s methodical approach was warranted. The evidence that has emerged so far is suggestive of chemical attacks, they said, but not conclusive. Syrian government forces could have used riot-control gas that, while extremely powerful, does not qualify as a chemical warfare agent, like sarin.
“It’s not a smoking gun, at least so far,” said Keith Ward, an expert on chemical warfare who worked for the Department of Homeland Security and the Navy and is now advising Human Rights Watch.
Not a smoking gun? Who's looking for guns?!?
The smoke coming out of a smoking gun is the result of chemicals used for warfare. Civilized warriors use rail guns* to accelerate their projectiles.
*powered by attached wind turbine farm.
Posted by: henry | April 25, 2013 at 01:34 PM
There is a story about a lawyer who thought his wife was cheating on him so he hired a private detective to do surveilance. After a few days the private eye showed with some film. The lawyer watched as his wife got into a car with the neighbor, drove to a motel, got out,went to a room, the neighbor got undressed, the wife got undressed and just then she turned out the lights. "Oh my gosh" the lawyer exclaimed "reasonable doubt!" I'm glad the Administration is only looking for "conclusive proof."
Posted by: George Ditter | April 25, 2013 at 01:37 PM
Let's count all the red lines in the Obama administration.
Posted by: Jane on Ipad | April 25, 2013 at 01:41 PM
"Don't call my bluff!"... indeed.
Posted by: NK | April 25, 2013 at 01:44 PM
Hagel sounds just as dumb as I expected.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 25, 2013 at 01:44 PM
OT: CCW Guy Stops Another Guy on Stabbing Spree.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 01:54 PM
Loon alert:
"Practically the moment the two bombs tore through the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing or maiming hundreds of people, media personality Alex Jones declared that Americans will not be told the truth by their government. He elaborated further in the hours and days to come, posting photos of Navy SEALS and security personnel whom he claimed may have had something to do with the bombing as part of a government 'false flag' operation to frame right-wing individuals and patriot groups opposed to the fundamental changes President Obama has brought to the United States."
Posted by: DoT on iPad | April 25, 2013 at 02:03 PM
The Baathists don't need to use chemical weapons, re Hama rules, besides what we do target their chemical weapons depots, how would that work?
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 02:05 PM
"an official said, the White House must determine who used them and whether they were used deliberately or accidentally."
"Or accidentally???? How would one determine that they were used accidentally?
Posted by: pagar | April 25, 2013 at 02:09 PM
But they were going to do this, on their own, that's reassuring;
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/25/as-expected-tsarnaevs-discussed-bombing-times-square-sources-say/
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 02:09 PM
Well, DoT, I agree Jones is a loon, but when he says " Americans will not be told the truth by their government" he's 100% right.
Posted by: James D. | April 25, 2013 at 02:15 PM
Obama gives America the finger. LUN
Posted by: matt | April 25, 2013 at 02:17 PM
Every Obama promise comes with an expiration date, as someone smarter than me once said.
Posted by: peter | April 25, 2013 at 02:22 PM
I agree with that completely Matt...well said.
Posted by: NK | April 25, 2013 at 02:23 PM
Happy Birthday Mark! Hope you are having a great day!
Imagine being a Syrian rebel. First you watch Obama intervene and help topple a government in Libya without approval of Congress. Then observe him sending aid money and some weapons while 20,000 of your Syrian people are slaughtered by Assad. With proof of red line being crossed, Obama still waffles while more civilians are killed. We now know why he wanted a dove like Hagel When this blows up and it will, he has flunky Hagel to blame. Meanwhile Syrians are running for their lives as Clinton once declared Assad "a compromiser" Bammy foreign policy a complete and utter bust.
Posted by: maryrose | April 25, 2013 at 02:31 PM
HB,Mark
Speaking of fingers, Matt:
Posted by: AnnSpencer | April 25, 2013 at 02:35 PM
Most poison gases leave plenty of residue when parts per billion can be detected by today's sensor technology.
Our CBW detection capabilities are the most advanced in the world. All they need is a SF/NEST type on the spot with a backpack to collect and analyze composition and concentration.
We are very sophisticated in this as are a number of other governments. and how does one accidentally use chemical weapons?
Maybe a round got triggered, but otherwise these are among the most securely held weapons in anyone's inventory. And dictators in that part of the world are known to use whatever is available.
Posted by: matt | April 25, 2013 at 02:35 PM
matt:
We need an investigation is just mumble speak for how long can we delay in making a decision to act. When faced with the hard decisions Bammy either:
A: Goes to bed
B. Has a smoke
C. Votes present
D. Ignores it and hopes it goes away.
E. All of the above.
Posted by: maryrose | April 25, 2013 at 02:40 PM
At what point DO we act??? Obama might just as well keep his YAPPPPING CAKE HOLE shut, because he is a impotent P.O.S..
On the other hand, imagine some "rightwing" group bombed a U.S.MOSQUE.
Then Obama would become oh-so manly.
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 02:44 PM
Ann! If you watched the dedication, you saw Barry completely overwhelming Barbara with chatter during a very moving rendition of Battle Hymn of the Republic. All other POTUSes/FLOTUSes were reverently listening - and there was Barry yammering away at Barbara. I think that may have been when your posted photo was taken.
Posted by: centralcal | April 25, 2013 at 02:46 PM
cc:
Obama has no manners and does not know how to behave at a solemn event. He is just crass and clueless.
Posted by: maryrose | April 25, 2013 at 02:48 PM
Just a normal day at the classroom: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/25/ny-middle-school-forces-children-to-ask-same-gender-for-a-kiss-during-anti-bullying-class/
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 25, 2013 at 02:51 PM
CC:
I'm sorry I missed it, but I did see the part where BUSH was in tears at the end and I lost it.
Posted by: AnnSpencer | April 25, 2013 at 02:55 PM
Where would Barack H. Obama have learned proper behaviors? Mommy the Commie. Communist Grandparents? Liberal Universities? Frank Marshall Davis.
One thing that people need to understand. Obama is not like you. Would you have attended Jeremiah Wrights hate ridden sermons? Would you have donated over $20,000. to aid Wrights hate? Did Obama learn class from Bill Ayers???
Seriously. Think of where you learned to be polite kind and decent. Obama didn't.
I challenge any libtard to say otherwise.
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 03:04 PM
The Arab Spring marches on.
If the increasingly embattled Jordanian government is toppled before Barry is out of office he will have succeeded in surrounding Israel with Salafist maniacs.
Posted by: Ignatz | April 25, 2013 at 03:10 PM
Well done political speech, saying nothing, asking for investigation, and then it gives away Syrian Government involvement @ the end.
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Posted by: Accidents happen. So does shit. | April 25, 2013 at 03:17 PM
I'm with Gus re Obama.
Posted by: sailor | April 25, 2013 at 03:29 PM
Gus esta en fuego hoy.
Posted by: peter | April 25, 2013 at 03:53 PM
I challenge any libtard to say otherwise.
I don't care. Obama is awesome.
Posted by: libtard | April 25, 2013 at 04:01 PM
Where would Barack H. Obama have learned proper behaviors?
He didn't marry into them either, it would seem.
Posted by: lyle | April 25, 2013 at 04:03 PM
narciso:http://www.fbi.gov/washingtondc/press-releases/2013/unsealed-indictment-charges-former-u.s.-federal-employee-with-conspiracy-to-commit-espionage-for-cuba?utm_campaign=email-Immediate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=washington-press-releases&utm_content=218370
"As part of the conspiracy, Velazquez allegedly helped the CuIS spot, assess, and recruit U.S. citizens who occupied sensitive national security positions or had the potential of occupying such positions in the future to serve as Cuban agents. "
Posted by: Clarice | April 25, 2013 at 04:17 PM
libtard @ 4:01, whomever you are, you made my day. My stomach actually hurt from laughing so hard.
Lyle's comment was funny too.
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 04:24 PM
Interesting Clarice, considering she started in the seemingly Mmundane department of Transportation, then again Hiss started out in the AAA
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 04:26 PM
Clarice,
I wonder if the CuIS happen to use Columbian and DR hookers?
Also, from watching parts of the Bush library opening, it is obvious, no matter what you think of their presidencies, both 43 and 41 are a class act while the others demonstrate their lack of any class (even lower class).
I mean, at a guy's library and museum being opening, iBammy has to make political and campaign points (immigration). The guy only got his manners from some guy in the neighborhood.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 04:31 PM
Some indications that detract the notion that they are 'lone wolves'
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-boston-fbi-bomber-20130425,0,6531764.story
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 04:34 PM
That was me, Gus. I don't often sock-puppet, but when I do I prefer Dos Títere. Stay laughing, my friend.
Posted by: lyle | April 25, 2013 at 04:34 PM
Make sure she never gets back here, okay;
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/25/tsarnaev-mother-i-saw-a-very-interesting-video-that-boston-bombing-was-like-a-really-big-play-paint-instead-of-blood/
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 04:37 PM
It isn't so much that Chuck Hagel is dumb as it is that he has always been a follower and not a leader; e.g., he always voted whichever way his buddy, Democrat Bob Kerry, told him to vote on major pieces of legislation, and it wasn't just a coincidence that when Bob Kerry got out of the Senate, Mrs. Hagel's little boy, Chucky, got out of the Senate, too, presumably because he had nobody to hold his hand anymore.
On the advice of Michelle, I'm sure, Barack Obama has been careful to consistently appointed people as incompetent as himself; i.e., nobody who would upstage him and reveal him to be a putz.
Posted by: Brian | April 25, 2013 at 04:51 PM
Then there are the outfits like ICG,that have a certain perspective on Islamist elements;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/31/dagestan-chechnya-radical-islam-analysis
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 04:58 PM
This guy called Obama is such a phony. Anyone know someone like him in your personal, business or neighbor life? I have and the turn off is instant.
In my professional life we called it "if you cannot razzle and dazzle them with BS then BS them with razzle dazzle".
P.T. Barnum was right but needs to amend his adominition to "A Nation is born every 2 or 3 hundred years".
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 05:01 PM
On the advice of Michelle, I'm sure, Barack Obama has been careful to consistently appointed people as incompetent as himself; i.e., nobody who would upstage him and reveal him to be a putz.
Jarret the ferret probably has input into that as well. Every really bad supervisor I've ever had lived in constant fear of his/her subordinates upstaging him/her while not realizing that having the subordinates look good reflects well on the supervisor.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 25, 2013 at 05:05 PM
CH,
The Peter Principle on steroids.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 05:07 PM
Brian, Obama picks no one that isn't a YES MAN.
Being competent does not enter into the equation. Obama's sycophants do as they are told.
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 05:08 PM
"Jarret the ferret"
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 25, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Capn' Obama is renowned for bragging that "I got game". He is well known for telling friendly libtard reporters that he knows more about policy, than those who are involved in that particular policy. Obama has obvious psychological damage. Narcissism, is the most obvious. Obama thinks his cabinet is merely the means to carry out his wishes. That would be ok, if that was possible. These Gov Depts. are huge and spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. Obama cannot possibly have his lazy assed finger on the pulse of such a large govt. BUT HE THINKS HE CAN.
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Okay, Ladies and Gentlemen,
We have little over 2 hours until the NFL draft begins and I have never seen a year of such slim pickens. So who is the first to go and who is the first QB to go. Bonus points in 2015 for the first of the top 5 QB's to go to the Arena Football League or the CFL.
I go with Joekel as number 1 and Geno Smith as the first QB over Barkley. I think Nassib is the first to go to the other leagues.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 05:13 PM
They body pulled from the water off Providence was confirmed to be Sunil Tripathi. Not clear what happened yet.
Posted by: jimmyk | April 25, 2013 at 05:13 PM
Duh Gus, Gus @ 5:08
Really? Then how would you explain Hillary Clinton? If what you say is true, she should he held blameless for Benghazi.
Posted by: Brian | April 25, 2013 at 05:27 PM
What policy decisions did Rodham make Brian?
What penalty has Rodham paid for allowing people to be killed on her watch??
Why did Rodham do the MOVIE TRAILER song and dance at Andrews in front of the coffins?
Rodham was given the Sec of State job, so she would shut up and go away. She did. People died.
I have extreme inside knowledge of what I speak.
Rodham has ZERO SKILLS BRIAN. Show me otherwise. She was just another celebrity given a high profile fly about job. She did NOTHING of consequence...ZERO. She just flew about running her mouth. RESET!!!!!!
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 05:30 PM
Now, Gus. The doubling she made to the GLBT/NAAMBLA hiring quota at State have to count for something.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | April 25, 2013 at 05:44 PM
If you disagree with Evil Anne she will call you lots of names and tell you you're stupid.
Fortunately, OTOH, if you agree with Evil Anne she'll call you lots of names and tell you you're stupid.
Must be what having a spitting cobra as a pet is like, except a little less charming.
Posted by: Ignatz | April 25, 2013 at 05:44 PM
Since I really did close out the old thread, I'm doing a copy and paste to repeat it. Thanks, everyone.
Shall I close out this thread by repeating my thanks for the many birthday greetings? I'm zonked, and will be taking a short nap so I'll have the strength to dig into the Chinese buffet. There was one question of a birthday present. Only God can give the one I want, and I don't think that He's going to. But the rest of you can say a prayer for my poor, troubled Susan.
Purely by accident, three weeks overdue, with my name having been chosen months before, I was born on the Feast Day of St. Mark. I attach no symbolism or significance to that.
Posted by: Mark Folkestad | April 25, 2013 at 05:45 PM
Well as I pointed out earlier, she is rather incurious, she was led by Huma into celebrating an Eid dinner, in the wrong month,
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 05:46 PM
Do they have P.F. Chang's up there in Minnesota, Gus.
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 05:48 PM
Duh Gus Gus @ 5:30
Hmmm, some people might say that, along with Panetta and Obama, Clinton has systematically, deliberately and spitefully succeeded (1) in undoing all of the accomplishments of GW's administration in the Middle East, (2) in completely destabilizing the entire Middle East, and (3) in shattering alliances which could have hindered Iran from getting nukes. Obama didn't do that all on his own without a lot of help from Clinton and Panetta and Napolidumbo to a lesser extent.
This is an administration of chronic screw-ups, and they've been a disaster, both overseas and domestically. Incompetence not only has something to with it. Dayum son, it has EVERYTHING to do with it
Posted by: Brian | April 25, 2013 at 05:49 PM
I would have to say that makes her a YES MAN Brian. She did what she was told. And partied like a Rock star.
Hilary Rodham is worthless. She stayed married to a guy who wouldn't even bang her, for power and money. She has no talents at all.
Good post Brian. Btw. Most of what Obama and Rodham have brought our foreign policy is by things the DON'T DO. Such as looking out for our strategic interests and our Allies. In the M.E. they were mainly. Jordan, Israel and Egypt. All went to shit, because of laziness, and liberalism.
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 05:53 PM
narciso, its Mark F up in Minnesota. Gus is in the banana belt of Wisconsin.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 05:57 PM
Narciso, they do have a P.F.CHANGS at Mayfair Mall in Milwaukee.
Posted by: Gus | April 25, 2013 at 05:59 PM
Anne is apparently still relatively sober.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 25, 2013 at 06:08 PM
I love George Bush!
Posted by: Jane on Ipad | April 25, 2013 at 06:12 PM
The visual of Obama yammering to Barbara during the national anthem sent me into gales of laughter. Remember Slapshot?
Imagine Barbara turning to Obama and repeating the last 12 seconds of this 34 second clip.
I'd die laughing. You go Barbara!
Posted by: sbwaters | April 25, 2013 at 06:16 PM
narc, There is a PF Changs in Maple Grove,Mn -- north Minneapolis suburbs.
Posted by: Skoot | April 25, 2013 at 06:23 PM
And you're still juvenile, Extraneous. Grow up, you asshole.
Posted by: Brian | April 25, 2013 at 06:34 PM
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2013/04/25/should-i-vote-for-marco-rubio/
Posted by: Threadkiller | April 25, 2013 at 06:35 PM
TK,
Because of all the vitriol and politics involving immigration, we need to realize that Jed being sort of in the background and quitet has a chance. Not that I support him but he can be a factor in 2016. Its too early but not early enough to speculate.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 06:41 PM
Jed = Jeb Grrrr!
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 06:48 PM
BriAnne -- aren't you more comfortable usually posting on some dead thread three TM posts ago or so . . . responding to someone 12 or more hours after they posted, and everyone's already left?
It's been your M.O. but maybe just unintentionally.
Welcome to the fresh thread. Just remember, be who you are. It's all we ask.
Posted by: hit and run | April 25, 2013 at 06:52 PM
Mr. Big Talk is now in the position to do what he said he would do if Syria crossed the red line. I am going for the odds he chickens out becasuse he is a complete phony, idiot and did I say an asshole.
Ray Guy couldn't do better.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 06:54 PM
I am still looking for a grown up candidate, thank you. Not much to see out there at present as the Republicans seem to fall over each other with their foolishness. maybe one of the Governors, but even there it has become diminished expectations.
Reagan used a lever to get the country back on track. I don't see anyone with the gumption or street smarts to do so again. Thus we seem to left with candidates past their sell by date; candidates who watch the tell tales too much, and simply poor candidates.
Posted by: matt | April 25, 2013 at 06:57 PM
How do you rate Walker, matt?
Posted by: hit and run | April 25, 2013 at 07:01 PM
Marco Rubio has been in conflict on the immigration issues ever since the Honorable Governor Jan Brewer submitted her legislation on those issues in Arizona, and his vacillations are understandable.
I suspect that he is in a quandary, unable to separate his loyalties to Latinos in the Democrat Party from his instincts to do the right thing on those issues as prescribed by Republicans.
I don't trust his judgment on those issues. He is being too subjective, instead of objective. It's tough to criticize him, 'cause I like him, but he is [not] doing the job that he is being paid to do. To represent Republicans - not Latinos, most of whom are Democrats. I'm for impeaching him if he doesn't clean up his act and reach a compromise with his conscience.
Posted by: Brian | April 25, 2013 at 07:04 PM
Hit, Walker is doing well but we need some of his initiatives to clear the WISC before he has results to brag about (job growth, lower taxes, etc.). Politically he is as tough as anyone out there, he just smiled and let a national attack wash past him. However he will generate a Palin level panic response from the national media if he runs -- the real question is whether Duke & Duke can borrow some spine from him.
Posted by: henry | April 25, 2013 at 07:10 PM
I reiterate; hit 'n run is a retard. Nuff said.
Posted by: Brian | April 25, 2013 at 07:11 PM
First four draft picks will be OTs, followed by a DT.
Happy birthday, Mark.
Posted by: DoT on iPad | April 25, 2013 at 07:13 PM
That's who you are. That's all we ask.
Posted by: hit and run | April 25, 2013 at 07:14 PM
Hit and Run: Have I told you lately how much I enjoy you and your posts? I always end up laughing or smiling. You are a really thoughtful and fun human being.
CH: or anyone:
What do you think Cleveland's chances are of coming out of this draft with some decent pics? Please do not hold back in your comments. We have been through this year after year so we are immune to any jeering or jokes about our team.
Posted by: maryrose | April 25, 2013 at 07:15 PM
Wait a minute, maryrose, I loved hit first. Mud wrestle!!!
Posted by: Clarice | April 25, 2013 at 07:16 PM
Well I tried three times to post a link from Ace of Spades to a Thomas Friedman quote about a carbon tax, but to no avail. I still recommend the link, which exposes Friedman as the idiot we know him to be, but viewers will need to navigate there on their own unless someone else can link it successfully.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 25, 2013 at 07:17 PM
should be picks..Grr...
My dad, a native New York stater could never root for any of the Ohio rube,his word teams.I would settle for a quarterback to help us for more than just 1 year.
Posted by: maryrose | April 25, 2013 at 07:17 PM
clarice: No mud wrestle, because I know you would win. Even though I grew up with 4 brothers I don't think I could take you. I swear to God I almost put in my post this disclaimer
" I know you belong to clarice, but I appreciate you".
Posted by: maryrose | April 25, 2013 at 07:19 PM
"However he will generate a Palin level panic response from the national media if he runs -- the real question is whether Duke & Duke can borrow some spine from him."
Henry,
I sincerely doubt his ability to draw the Northeastern early financial support necessary for the run. I also doubt the deeply brain dead Northeasteners who are managing Duke & Duke with consummate lack of ability want anything to do with someone who might actually interfere with their looting program.
The looters want a "kinder, gentler" club member who will do nothing to impede the final plunder of the Republic.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | April 25, 2013 at 07:20 PM
What do you mean by "we", hit and run creep?
You don't speak for anyone here. You sure as hell don't speak for me.
Incidentally, creep, I dare say that Brian has more fans than you have. He's up front and in our faces. You're a creepy little sneak.
Posted by: Holly | April 25, 2013 at 07:22 PM
I'll say this: There can never be enough mud wrestling females.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 25, 2013 at 07:24 PM
Well let me try again, in the LUN
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 07:24 PM
OK I have a funny OT story-
I am noticing traffic from a blog but it appears to be in French. I check and it's all written in French. That language is rusty but I can follow along it is an ed discussion and the relationship to socialism. And then I find the cite to the blog with a French sentence that translates as "If you don't mind English, look at ..." Then they pointed out their concerns were clearly global.
Think about talking during the Battle Hymn of the Republic. The war anthem in the war to end slavery and the first Black President could have cared less. That's ignorance and narcissism.
Posted by: rse | April 25, 2013 at 07:26 PM
Look, I'm not saying I'm omnibenevolent, and maybe polybenevolent isn't exactly the right word, but....
Posted by: hit and run | April 25, 2013 at 07:27 PM
henry,
Duke and Duke couldn't borrow salt from a cracker. He is on his own. Good for him because that is the only way to make waves these days. The GOP as we know is sunk unless the Koch and others continue to contribute to this facade.
They send me mail and I put them in the recycling basket. They call me and I tell them to go to hell. They send me emails and I junk them. I don't know how may others do that but if there are more than me than its a trend:)
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 07:27 PM
I think you got it, Narciso.
Extraneus, thanks!
Posted by: pagar | April 25, 2013 at 07:29 PM
Hi Holly. I will never, ever try to speak for you.
You be who you are, too. That's all we ask.
Posted by: hit and run | April 25, 2013 at 07:30 PM
rse,
Send me the French link. I wil translate.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 25, 2013 at 07:32 PM
Asshole
Posted by: Holly | April 25, 2013 at 07:35 PM
Rick & JiB, Walker does have some national funding access... I just don't know if it is enough. Maybe if the Koch brothers buy a few newspapers and the MSM focuses on an ever more selective audience Duke & Duke won't be an anchor for a decent candidate.
Posted by: henry | April 25, 2013 at 07:35 PM
http://h16free.com/2013/04/25/22918-vincent-peillon-aucune-solution-en-rayon-mais-une-jolie-morale-laique
There you go.
Posted by: rse | April 25, 2013 at 07:38 PM
Even reading the 'Hungarian frasebook' version, available through Google Translate, it is unsettling
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 07:45 PM
Holly, I'm not saying that hit isn't an asshole. He is. Although some of us love him anyway. But today's "Brian" is a psycho poster who started out as "Anne" until her crazy rants were too embarrassing even for her.
She/he makes some good points sometimes, usually early in the night, but almost immediately segues into abusive and truly stupid drool. She hasn't been here in a while until recently, so you might not have seen her posts until now.
Anne, would you care to comment, for Holly's benefit? I know it still kind of early.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 25, 2013 at 07:47 PM
Why on earth do any of you respond to Brain/Anne and Holly? They never have anything to say.
Posted by: sailor | April 25, 2013 at 07:51 PM
Henry,
That's encouraging. JEB hasn't purchased any early "most electable" bullshit from NR or the other usual suspects at this point. He just pops up every month to remind us of his existence.
Maybe RSE could do a few pieces on his contribution to No Child Left Undamaged and the Commie Core initiative? Kindly and gently, of course.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | April 25, 2013 at 07:53 PM
In this case, because the real Holly is a valued poster here, sailor. I'm guessing the latest Holly is Anne.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 25, 2013 at 07:53 PM
Extraneus:
Holly, I'm not saying that hit isn't an asshole. He is.
I'd like to apologize for being an asshole, but I won't. That's just how I role.
Posted by: hit and run | April 25, 2013 at 07:56 PM
At the heart of our NCLB variant, is Ignite, think of it, like Windows Vista for intellectual endeavour, and you realize the problem.
Posted by: narciso | April 25, 2013 at 07:57 PM