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May 08, 2013

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centralcal

And, your comment threads have quite a bit of Benghazi coverage, too!

Jack is Back!

But no coverage at Cavuto or The Five. IOW's Fox has given there best shot showing the hearing but believe the Dem talking point that there is no smoking gun. So now the Five go to a News Alert regarding the Arias verdict.

Geez. I give up.

No one except Chaffetz and Gowdy seems to give a s**t.

Rob Crawford

Meh. Benghazi has been covered completely.

Up.

Covered UP completely, that is.

MarkO on iPhone at 35,000 feet

Will this incompetence and corruption in a cover up now be considered acceptable? It is incontrovertible that Obama lied again and again to save his election. Is that irrelevant? Can this be the new normal?

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

The coverage of this hearing by the MSM, Fox News included, disgusts me. There is no integrity left in the press. What good does freedom of the press do when there is no press or if the press only covers the blunders of one side of the political spectrum?

NJJan

It becomes the new normal if that is the way it is reported, if it is reported at all.

maryrose

MARKO:I share your pain over this. I can hardly believe what has happened. To date -No terrorists have been found, Rice delayed FBI involvement with her lies, and we still don't know who gave the stand down order.
On PJ Media someone commented on this contrast of images: A Navy Seal with a wounded comrade strapped to his back in the middle of the night ,trying to save him and Obama snoring away inhis bed getting ready to campaign ind raise mov
ney in Vegas.
Impeachment is too good for him. Get the tar and feathers out.

Threadkiller

How does today's Benghazi media differ from yesterday's Obama's background media?

maryrose

should be money. How could the voters have let this happen?
Electing him as preesy and her as a drunk, inept SOS.Appalling!

maryrose

TK; They are one and the same. And you answered my question on the previous post. They never check his eligibility or his real background. he hid those where no one can touch them. Thank God he is now term limited.

The Infamous Ignatz

Damning headline over at Memorandum:

Heritage study co-author opposed letting in immigrants with low IQs

Are there even that many rank and file Dems who wouldn't agree with that?

Frau Eulenspiegel

Pres. O.J. Simpson Kool promises to find the perpetrators of the crimes and bring them to justice.

“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.” ― Joseph Goebbels

Jay Carney is making Joseph proud.

NJJan

JIB @ 5:35 and Jim R @ 5:39 -- your comments far better express my thoughts on the disgusting state of media. It is frustrating.

Frau Eulenspiegel

Remember Benghazi!

Porchlight

Can this be the new normal?

That is my great fear. Every horrible thing about Obama is designed to, among other things, bring the bar so permanently low that in time the country will not remember how things used to be and to what standards Presidents and their administrations used to be held.

It is all happening remarkably quickly, thanks mostly to Bill Ayers and the commies teaching kids in the public schools.

NK

The duty owed to the Dead and the Brave of Benghazi is to get the truth out. This isn't about changing media behavior, that won't happen anyway. 4 truthes came out of the hearing today. There will be more truthes revealed, why?

Because the House will refuse anything the Obummer and the Senate Repubs want until they get the Benghazi answers-- no internet sales tax, no immigration votes, no nothin' until the Obamaniacs give up the facts. Today worked out better than I thought it would.

Jack is Back!

Gutfeld is right. Watch the vid of Hillary at the Senate hearing with the sound off. She looks like a circus act. Not presidential at all. I don't think that performance will keep her in the running. In fact, the Dems themselves will slaughter her over this in 2015 (run-up to primary year).

I know DoT and others think she is teflon by this but there is more to come and don't be surprised it comes from the center of certain Dems. Birch Bayh, Joe Biden and others have been known to deal with events like this.

Oh, did I mention a certain Cuomo in New York?

Jane -

Mark,

Do you now live at 35,000 feet. You have been there for a long time it seems.

NJJan

Maybe Brett Baier will be a newsman and lead with Bengazi, doubt if anyone else will.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

He does, Jan.

maryrose

NJJan:
You are right. I share Porch's fear but I know Hannity and O'Reilly will cover it tonight as will Bret Baier.
NK: Yes some good information was provided today,but I hope those really responsible, the killers Hillary and Obama will be brought to justice and their crimes of negligence and cover-up exposed.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

One thing emerges from today's hearing. There is no longer any reasonable doubt that September 11, 2012 happened a long time ago.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Boy, now I can't write, I am so pi**ed. What I meant to say was there is no longer any reasonable doubt that September 11, 2012 did not happen a long time ago.

NJJan

I'm watching too, Jim. So, that makes one so far.

NK

Stevens and his detail were murdered by Jihadis, not Obummer/Hillary. Nobody does the memory of those 4 men's sacrifice -- outright heroism in the case of 3 of them-- any service by falsely blaming their deaths on Obummer/Hillary.

NJJan

Maryrose,

Unfortunately these shows do not reach the broader public who are cocooned from the story. Hard to break through. Schieffer on Sunday helped, but exposure needs to be consistent and persistent to penetrate.

henry

Because the House will refuse anything the Obummer and the Senate Repubs want until they get the Benghazi answers

that would be a welcome change.

Jack is Back!

Oh!

Andrea Mitchell tweets:

MT @mitchellreports: Gripping testimony today from Amb. Stevens 2nd in command in Tripoli the night of #Benghazi attack @nbcnightlynews
Details Expand Collapse

Did Schieffer embarrass them all?

daddy

Have missed a lot of News the past few days, but a few questions during catch-up.

1) Has any member of the media called the horrible Serial Kidnapper/Rapist suspect in Cleveland, Ariel Castro, a "White Hispanic"?

2) Why not?

3) Who's going to get better free Legal Representation, him or the Boston Bombing suspect?

TheTAmericanist

I am going to ask the same question here that I asked on my blog posting:

Where were these so-called “whistleblowers” when the United States of America was invading the Country of Iraq based upon blatantly false information about so-called “Weapons of Mass Destruction”? I mean, if there was any sort of false information being pimped to the media, and there was, trust me — these people would have known about it.

Where were these so-called ”Whistleblowers” when the United States of America was attacked on 9/11? I mean, if there was any sort of false information being pimped to the media, and there was, trust me
— these people would have known about it.

You want to know where these people where? I will tell you where they were; they were standing around with their noses straight up the goddamned ass of President George W. Bush and the neocon administration in the White House, that’s where!

My Posting:

http://thoughtsandrantings.com/2013/05/08/on-these-benghazi-hearings-and-scandal/

You're welcome.

NK

Henry-- it will be easy for the House Repubs to do-- they will cite national security (Boston Bombers) and memory of the Benghazi heroes, plus Obummer/Kerry will give up scapegoats to the Repubs, Kennedy, Mills, Rice-- they are either careerists or HildaBeasts peeps, no Obummer bloods there. Hillary-- they'l say she can take care of herself.

Jack is Back!

I think we would be a lot safer and more appreciated if we replaced Kerry and the State Dept. apparathik with Dennis Rodman and his entourage.

Threadkiller

Cindy Sheehan, is that you?

NK

Cindy Effin' Sheehan-- mental case. I take pride in predicting what the MSM would do with her as soon as 2008 was over-- if anything the MSM has dumped on her more than I thought they would. BTW-- EVERYBODY on the Right knew what the MSM would do with her after 2008... the Media are so obvious.

NK

BTW-- the Dems did the same with Crazy Cindy-- the Dems are just as obvious as the Media.

NJJan

It must be snowing in hell if Andrea Mitchell is tweeting what JIB highlighted

Janet

Well, the lies about the video make a difference...& the total incompetence of State not having security on a 9-11 anniversary in Libya.
Nobody fired. No terrorists caught.

Just issue reports, demand more money, & move on...it's all that DC seems to be able to do.

DoT on iPad

"It becomes the new normal if that is the way it is reported, if it is reported at all."

The reporting will focus primarily on whethe the GOP scored any knockout blows, and the consensus will be that thep put up a spirited fight but failed to score a KO. This story is at its peak right now.

And yeah, it's the new normal.

daddy

I am unaware of any Legal Team trying to get the Anti-Islam Video Producer Nakoula, (jailed after being falsely termed responsible for BenghaziGate), out of Jail. Anyone know more about that.

I read that the Boston Bomber's Lawyer is essentially playing the role of John Adam's (in agreeing to represent a group of British soldiers accused of murdering five American civilians in Boston back in 1770.

If seems to me that if anybody should have decent Legal Representation, ala John Adams, trying to give him whatever Justice he deserves, it ought to be that guy.

If nothing else, no matter how much of a dog he might be in other matters, he deserves an honest, public apology from all these despicable Administration officials.

Krauthammer and Steve Hayes are doing a good job on Benghazi.

Clarice

I really can't stand watching these liars and manipulators and this corrupt press any more really. I can't.

DoT on iPad

"Where were these so-called 'whistleblowers' when the United States of America was invading the Country of Iraq based upon blatantly false information about so-called 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'?"

Same place as Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Colin Powell, Clinton appointee George Tenet and a host of Dem. senators who voted to invade.

Jim Rhoads iPhone

Steve Hayes is really on top of the hearings from what I just heard.

NJJan

DoT,
If Steve Hayes on Special Report is correct and there are more hearings with Col Gibson, then it may still get legs. Mara Liasson (I know) also feels there will be more with a focus also on lack of security build up prior to attack. I'd like to think they are right.

NK

The 'consensus' of the intelligence community was that the Sadaam STOCKPILES of WMD were a slam dunk; Sadaam's Rev Guards though there were stockpiles with other Guard units. Sadaam shrewdly convinced his enemies --the Mullahs mostly-- that he had them, because the threat would deter invasion. He bet wrong.

DoT on iPad

Ring the bell, and the LA Times will salivate:

"WASHINGTON— Partisan politics loomed over a House hearing Wednesday on the deadly September 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, as Republicans and Democrats clashed over the meaning of testimony from three witnesses who had little new to add to the story."

NK

IMO-- LtCol Gibson is a very important witness-- the pre-9/11/12 Benghazi security stuff?-- ONLY important b/c it show more Hillary lies -- repubs have to be careful not to be second guesing the level of security. the key is Steven was begging for proper Benghzi security and Hillary denied it and then after 9/11/12 lied about budget cuts.

Richatgmu

Nk-

and it isn't like he a. used them previously and b. defectors pointed out stocks in 1995.

daddy-

He has been jailed for a probation violation on his federal bank fraud conviction. Believe he pled out before anyone could darken his already dark door.

Catching up on the threads. Whoo-my schools roi come in at a healthy 135 and 138.

Richatgmu

Did Schieffer embarrass them all?

Journalist II will get out the right talking points. See DoT's LA times clip above.

daddy

Thanks Rich.

JOMer's, turn off Shep and go to FOX Business now for the Lou Dobbs show. He is on Benghazi and is interviewing Rep Trey Gowdy live. Good segment.

Janet

F-i-l watching PBS...as I walk through they are showing clips of Susan Rice on the Sunday shows. None of the clips are of her blaming the YouTube video.
The tenor of the segment is calm & sorta boring.

daddy

You can tell Lou Dobbs is really smoked about Benghazi, and he just criticized CBS for withholding some negative info on benghazi for 3 weeks long ago to the advantage of Obama. Lou is taking a moment to personally thank 5 FOX reporters today for their reporting on Benghazi:

Jennifer Griffin
Catherine Herridge
James Rosen
Adam Housley
Bret Baier

My guess is he's got as little use for Shep as the rest of us. Man would I love to see those 2 swap their shows.

narciso

Connolly, was mentioned earlier, one of his earlier exercises, as councilman in Fairfzx, was voting to expand the Islamic Service Academy (sic) the Wahhabi style private school, that yielded a Saudi who tried to kill W, Abu Ali, something:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/08/benghazi-hearings-live-blog/

Richatgmu

and no one commented on this item from Drudge..."Horror as bear on bike eats monkey at end of sick circus cycle race... " thought it was about the Benghazi hearings but sadly no.

daddy-

The story around Nakoula is certainly strange (previous arrests, pretty wealthy with no visible means of support, a poster child for immigration reform). Lucky the Egyptian state media got and aired the clips that maybe a dozen people here in the US saw.

Steve

Fox News Special Report. Amazing segment about Day 1 of the Benghazi Hearings...

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/05/damming-segment-fox-news-special-report.html

Threadkiller

Here it is. It was Langford finding out something new.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSLDqo47my8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Iraq funding was expiring so Stevens was rushed to his death.

Jane -

I don't get Fox Business (which really pisses me off). And I can't bear to check and see if any MFM is reporting on Benghazi.

Only a miracle will give Benghazi legs, and I'm not seeing one.

Oh and assholes like the troll apparently think that 2 wrongs make a right - even tho one of those wasn't wrong. I've never met a liberal yet who didn't pull that shit. It is just so cowardly.

narciso

A sum up, of the matter,


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/08/seven-things-we-learned-from-the-benghazi-whistleblower-hearing/

Extraneus

It's revealing that libs are going back to their whining claim that Bush lied. The smarter ones know that he didn't, but by going down this road they're tacitly admitting that Obama lied.

"Well what about your guy? Huh? He lied, too, didn't he?"

Uh, no, he didn't. Yours did. He told an untruth that he knew to be false. As did Hillary and his whole administration.

OldTimer

Former Ambassador claims that ONLY the president can issue a stand down order...


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/whoa-rep-ann-wagner-only-president-gives-the-stand-down-order-video/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iABKTZvj-uc

Thomas Collins

I don't think the fitting and proper result, namely, Obama being forced to resign in disgrace, and Hillary Clinton's public career being ended for once and for all, will prevail. However, the Benghazi dereliction of duty by the Commander in Chief will be noticed not only by the HIVs (high info voters), but also by the MIVs (middle info voters). It will further reduce Obama's political clout.

Thomas Collins

Is anyone familiar with the protocol for a military rescue mission in these cases? Does the CinC need to give a stand down order, or is the absence of an order from the CinC to execute the rescue mission sufficient to cause a rescue mission to be aborted. Either way, Obama deserves to resign in disgrace.

narciso

They used to call this 'speaking truth to power'

Jane -

TC,

Everyone tweeting under the #Beghazi hastag today agrees that the only person who can give a stand down order if the President.

Thomas Collins

See LUN for a piece arguing that Obama needed top issue a "stand-up" order for a cross border rescue mission to proceed.

Jane -

IS the president

narciso

Interesting perspective on the next snafu, yes the notion that the KSA is really about suppressing extremism is 'ironic' as they say,

Thomas Collins

It appears from the article LUNed at my 7:52 PM post that personnel already in Libya could have executed a rescue mission without CinC authorization. Which raises the question whether Obama not only failed to authorize personnel to cross the Libysn border, but also ordered personnel already in Libya to stand down.

narciso

some at a Breitbart link, puts it rather plainly, in terms, we have come to understand;
they issued a 'Burn Notice' on Ambassador Stevens

narciso

A little repetitive,


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/08/Live-Updates-Benghazi-Hearing

Jane -

TC,

See this.

Who knows?

Skoot

"only person who can give a stand down order if the President."

Yup. That's the word on Nightstalker Way.

henry

Maybe ValJar while the JEF slept?

C.R.

"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denied that an order was ever given denying the Americans in Benghazi military assistance, saying she personally organized the State Department response to the Benghazi assault.

“I directed our response from the State Department,” Clinton said in her opening statement before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, saying there were “no delays in decision making, no denials of support from Washington or our military.” from the Washington Examiner in January

Hitches had it right...No One Left To Lie To

Dave (in MA)

The Toesucker says this is the beginning of the end.

It might take 4 years, but this regime is going down.

Thomas Collins

Jane, these are issues for which there must be a definite protocol. Does CinC need to authorize cross border rescues? Who can stop a non-cross border rescue? Do any of the JOMers with military experience know the protocols in a Benghazi-type situation? If you do but are a lurker, here is an opportunity to delurk with a badda-boom!

DoT on iPad

Fox All-Stars hit a homerun today.

One thing is pretty clear to me: I wouldn't bet against her winning the presidency, but if she does a huge slice of America will know on Inauguration Day that she's a cynical, hugely incompetent lying bitch. That's the way she'll begin her term. Have fun, America.

Thomas Collins

Henry, whatever the protocol was, I suspect ValJar was the one in charge at the White House.

narciso

OT, the fact that the US and Russia, are sponsoring opposite factions, poses a problem;

Elliott

Without prejudicing any potential future claims, at present I yield the teal-toothed typepad tableau to TC, BoE, and others.

Thomas Collins

Any time you want to displace me in the teal brigade, Elliott, I'll gladly cede my teal time to you!

Eric in Boise

a huge slice of America will know on Inauguration Day that she's a cynical, hugely incompetent lying bitch.

I agree. Unfortunately, an even bigger slice won't care.

Clarice

Elliott!! Smooches!!!

narciso

recall the source, that deferred, Ambassador Aujali, is the big time CAIR supporter that hosted the bogus Eid dinner for Hillary


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/08/top-u-s-diplomat-in-libya-knew-benghazi-was-terrorism.html

jimmyk

Mara Liasson (I know) also feels there will be more with a focus also on lack of security build up prior to attack. I'd like to think they are right.

I'm guessing/hoping that's wishful thinking by Mara, since that's the least of it. It can be called a mistake, or dismissed as 20-20 hindsight (though it would be ridiculous to do so). But it's not as outrageous as the stand down order and the lies to cover everything up.

jimmyk

Here's Mara Liasson:

Jane -

Clarice,

That PJ Tatler piece is the best I've read on today's hearings.

Clarice

No matter what liasson thinks, it seems to me that it's beyond doubt that the video carpola was a lie from the get go and that both Clinton and Obama were involved in creating and spreading it. That being the case, the question has to be why?

If to distract from their poor handling for domestic political reasons, that doesn't look good for them. Worse, it raises the suspicion that they were trying to hide something more substantial--like weapons running to Syrian rebels.

Clarice

Even the NYT is back stroking:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/us/politics/official-offers-account-from-libya-of-benghazi-attack.html?hp&_r=1&

Walter

Not that it matters, but Ann Wagner holds the House seat last held by Akin!.

Based on her earlier record, I would have thought she would be less confrontational. I'm pleasantly surprised.

narciso

This is my view, as well, Stevens stood in the way, of the supply to the Salafi elements in Syria, btw, from my 7;55 LUN, the Kingdom is taking over the account from Qatar,

Threadkiller

What "Iraq budget"were they talking about? That is what I want to know.

narciso

They tucked most of the Spin, into the second page. A banana for two of Carlos Slim's dancing chimps.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

I disagree with only one point in the PJT analysis. I do not think the GOP majority made a mistake in holding this hearing in one day. They got all of the evidence on the record and duly recorded for posterity. This was a substantive hearing, but it also throws a shot across the bow of the administration and its minions that the facts are against them, and they had better come clean.

It also inoculates these three witnesses from any future bs from the head choppers.

Strawman Cometh

Charles Woods, father of the fallen Tyrone, was on Hannity praising the cooperative, bipartisan efforts of today's hearing and saying that he shook the hand of Cummings and thank him for the lively statements.

Jane -

I hope you are right Jim.

DoT on iPad

TC, I have no idea what the rules are now. In May of 68 I was prepared for and about to launch a short raid across the Cambodian border above Chao Duc to rescue a captured Green Beret sergeant the CIA had said was being held at a stockade right on the other side. At the last minute the CIA guy said he couldn't get clearance so we couldn't go, and we didn't.

I'm not certain why, but I do recall believing at the time that without his say-so I couldn't go. In later years I began to think I should have just gone anyway--four PBR's and a SEAL platoon, every man chomping at the bit--but that probably would have been unwise in the extreme. Never saw the CIA guy again; never heard further about the sergeant.

Communications were very primitive at the time, and it is possible that had we gone, in the absence of a catastrophe it would have gone unnoticed. Very different world.

narciso

'Officially' they weren't operating in Indochina till 1970, of course, that had little to do with whar was actually happening with Mike Force, is that correct?

narciso

Sorry I meant Cambodia, Libya was I imagine a different story, since we had 'installed' that govt to a certain degree,

Elliott

Very generous of you, TC. The strong support of allies when dealing with these 21st century threads cannot be underestimated. Though circumspection is appropriate on the matter of red lines, all options remain on the teal.

Greetings, Clarice! I hope you are well.

Happy belated birthday, Jimmyk!

Jane -

Elliott,

what the hell are you doing these days? Will you be anywhere near Norway in August?

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