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May 14, 2013

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Clarice

Happy Anniversary, Mr. & Mrs. hit & run

Gus

DoT @ 7:50 BINGO. Give that man a cigar. There could be no HOSTILE ACTION during the election run-up. No "incident" that made Obama aggressive looking.

Captain Hate

Per Rick's link: When did the House vote on completely defunding BammyCare two times after 2011? I know that the first post 2010 continuing resolution zeroed it out but I don't remember one or two things since then.

gmax

I think this IRS scandal will put a dent in Obama...

Gus

I have a question that nobody has asked yet.

Obama keeps saying in all of these SCANDALS, that he needs more information, that he cannot say xyz until the investigation is complete etc etc etc etc etc lie lie lie.
Well.
He had no problem blaming this VIDEO, before all the info was in. How can this be?
I mean the time he was sure of himself, is when he was giving THE WRONG INFO. Why didn't he wait then???

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If Obama had a son scandal it would look like this...

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"Was anyone aware of these actions?"

I was aware of a couple and a couple are examples of interpretive dance. The twitter feed for the two flacks running the blog have a sharper tone than the pieces.

I'm prejudiced in my preference for the steady hum of the meat grinder over the intermittent whine of a circular saw.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

"Why didn't he wait then???"

You've actually said something important.

THIS is the trillion dollar question.

Cecil Turner

I think some fighters could have been sent from Tripoli.

If you mean the SOF guys getting on the C-130, that was probably feasible. I don't know, nor do I know how many we're talking about, nor what mission they'd be abandoning. The guy who testified apparently didn't think it was a game-changer, because he recommended a fighter (jet). There were no fighters closer than Italy, and they can't make the round trip loaded without a tanker. Which by all reports was not available.

At the time there were rumors of GEN Ham having to be restrained and we never did get to the bottom of that one.

We've plowed this ground before. Ham was giving a brief in Reno on the tenth . . . he wasn't even in theater.

Cecil Turner

At this point I don't much care about whether or not air support, or some sort of military response team, could have arrived in time to prevent loss of life. What is important is that, at the time Obama ruled out any military response, no one had any idea how long the fighting would continue--for all they knew it would go on for three days.

Not buying this one either. By the time a significant military response was feasible, the crisis had ended.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Thanks for the link to the LA Times TK. I think it is fair to draw the inference that the beginning of the IRS jihad against Tea Party types stemmed from ElJefe's ire at the SCOTUS decision. He and his minions could not abide any significant challenge to his philosophy of government, and that fact was made known to everyone in the Executive Branch.

As we all know, precatory orders like Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest? are often as effective as direct orders to courtiers.

Porchlight

Not buying this one either. By the time a significant military response was feasible, the crisis had ended.

How do you know that, Cecil?

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

If the stand down orders were given after the crisis was clearly over as you suggest, TC, I agree with you. What I don't know at this point is when the stand down orders were given, and who gave them.

Gus

The response team from the actual embassy in Tripoli WANTED to get to Benghazi. The 2 heroes Woods and Doherty who died on the roof, were sacrificed by WHOMEVER gave the stand down order. WHO AND WHY WAS THE STAND DOWN ORDER GIVEN. The DIPLOMATIC SECURITY and MILITARY RESOURCES were ready to board the C130 for a short one hour flight and were told NOT TOO.
Some on this blog are THICK, there was NO REASON not to AT LEAST let them go to the BENGHAZI AIRPORT.

Porchlight

Agree with Gus. There was no non-political reason not allow the response team from Tripoli to go - at mimimum.

Again - "wouldn't have gotten there in time" - how on earth could that have been known at the time?

Gus

Attack started before 10 pm. Woods and Doherty CIA heroes, DIE ON ROOF DEFENDING OUR PEOPLE after 5AM.

More than 7 hours. Care to debate more????

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

When was the stand down order given, Gus?

Gus

Porchlight!! A couple things. I saw a small truck wrapped with ads for a company called PORCHLIGHT the other day. 2) I am very very knowledgable about every detail of Benghazi, because my brother puts his ass on the line for this nation all the time. Third, Obama and Rodham are COWARDS, INCOMPETENT, UNPATRIOTIC, SELFISH and DISHONEST. There COULD BE NO "INCIDENT" in the MUSLIM WORLD. WE HAD AN ELECTION TO WIN!!!

Porchlight

I am with you Gus, all the way. God bless your brother.

I wonder what the Porchlight company does?

Gus

Jim, no one has said, exactly when the stand down order was given, but COL GIBSON told Greg Hicks that he was embarrassed that the STATE DEPT apparatus had bigger stones than WHOMEVER was making that call. REGARDLESS of when the STAND DOWN to the Spec Ops team (of sorts) was given. Those making that decision, had no way of knowing if Woods and Doherty would be killed at 5:30 am, or noon the following day. THERE COULD BE NO INCIDENT DURING ARAB SPRING!!!

Gus

Porch, I think they do TALKING POINTS for the CIA/STATE/and WHITEHOUSE. Business is brisk.

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Fox had an exclusive article on October 25th which claimed

two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

They also mention the two drones, later confirmed. How would anyone know whether the teams were actually on hand?

Gus

Rick, there was NO HELP COMING. Obama went to sleep, he had a big fund raiser in FECKING LAS VEGAS the next day. Rodham was most likely DRUNK and asleep when she made a call to Greg Hicks, then left the BENGHAZI people to die.
We need to understand, that with all the MIGHT and GREATNESS of the U.S.MILITARY/State department and CIA. Our country has been under NEW MANAGEMENT for 4 years.

Gus

Rick there are things that the OBAMA JOKE ADMIN definitely knows for sure!!! DRONES, Anti-Muhammad Videos, and that Obama knew nothing about anything, until Candy Crowley told him that he called it a TERRORIST attack the very next day. And then her reversed that Candy Crowley aided lie for 2 more weeks.

Maxine

Holder is a liar, complete and utter!

Eighth Try

LtCol Gibson's "force" in Tripoli was apparently a four man team. That's obviously not enough for a relief force, and the official story is that they were tasked with handling evacuees, which they did.

And this timeline shows the CIF arriving in Sigonella too late to do anything (but still with orders to proceed until after the final firefight)--which is the same story I got from the military grapevine about a month after the fact. Bottom line: if someone is claiming differently, they need to be able to prove it . . . and I don't think they can.

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Have Blue

LtCol Gibson's "force" in Tripoli was apparently a four man team. That's obviously not enough for a relief force, and the official story is that they were tasked with handling evacuees, which they did.


Adding four men to Woods and Doherty makes the effective force a minimum of three times as effective. Closer to four or five times even before you figure the SOF regulars improved communications and weapons.

Figuring the SOF team would have a medic and heavy weapons able to take out the mortar that was attacking them and just adding four men to the two contractors that were responding themselves (all the way from Tripoli) and the effective force is more like six or eight times as effective.

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