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June 06, 2013

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peter

Drudge having a gay old time with the pic he posted of our Pres on a cell phone.

henry

Who believes this is restricted to Verizon? Or cell phones?

Clarice

Pretty soon this will be like the old USSR where more people were listening in and spying on their fellow citizens than were doing any productive work. How did that work out?

Rob Crawford

It's not restricted to Verizon.

On the other hand, it's apparently restricted to the origin/destination information, not the content of the calls. That's equivalent to reading the address on an envelope, and as I understand it courts have held it's not "eavesdropping".

And on the gripping hand, I have no doubt this administration wants to use this to fight its "real" enemies -- domestic political opponents.

matt

I can understand this, unfortunately. If the words "pressure cooker bomb were used in English or Chechen or Arabic" in a conversation, it would be channeled into a queue for an NSA analyst to analyze.

Some of that was allowed under the Patriot Act as I recall. How this has morphed is the question.

The other part of the problem is the revelation of means and methods. What happens at NSA is supposed to stay at NSA until it becomes actionable intelligence.

But with the pattern of criminality and complete mistrust of this administration it becomes a major scandal.

These are stupid, foolish and arrogant people.

Jeff Dobbs

Just to be safe, I'm going to place a few calls to the White House, Center for American Progress, Media Matters, the DNC and MSNBC just so those numbers show up on my records.

henry

Hit, if you don't send money when you call, you just put yourself at the top of the enemies list.

Clarice

OT: But interesting--the Druze forces in the IDF celebrate their 40th anniversary.http://www.israelandstuff.com/the-druze-community-celebrates40-years-of-idf-combat-service-for-israel#.UbCdW4-tGd8.facebook

Cecil Turner

Not much surprise here. If the goal is to track incoming communications from foreign intelligence (or terrorist) sources, and to highlight the related domestic cells, this information is required. And a second order would be required to glean any information from the calls themselves, as this one does not allow any monitoring of content.

Still, the problem is that we're trusting them with data on all domestic phone calls. And that trust is strained when applied to a guy who, when he says, "punish our enemies," is referring to conservatives, not islamists.

AliceH

I hope they can use the metadata to ferret out Rachel from Cardholder Services.

Jeff Dobbs

Then I'm starting a non-profit called "Progressives for Gay Illegal Immigrants Committed to Social Justice in a Carbon-Free World of Economic Equality"

Threadkiller

That non-profit exists already, Hit.

It is called the RNC/DNC Consent Decree.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

This may be yet another worrisome 'leak'. My question is;

How many will be extorted into becoming a confidential informant because they face Federal charges they can't afford to defend themselves against?

Jeff Dobbs

Dang, that was fast. My non-profit just got a whole lotta hate mail from transgendered animal rights activists.

Janet

Who is the "enemy" they are looking for?
If I go by this administration, the old media, & the entertainment industry...the "enemy" is the NRA, Bible believing Christians & Jews, Tea Partiers, pro-life advocates, marriage advocates, white people, Republicans, anyone that stands up for the Constitution, the military, meat eaters, smokers, anyone not on board the uber "green" agenda, non-union workers,...

Janet

"Progressives for Gay Illegal Immigrants Committed to Social Justice in a Carbon-Free World of Economic Equality"

Excellent, hit! I hear they are supporting Cuccinelli for VA Gov.!

Threadkiller

Expert who assisted law firm which DEFENDED Obama's birth credentials now says Birth Certificate is a FRAUD! "Complete fabrication and 100% forgery"

http://ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2013/06/snap-expert-who-assisted-law-firm-which.html?m=1

I thought Arpaio made up the stuff on his own. He used a forensic document examiner??

I am certain an uscredentialed clown trying to sell a book knows more than an expert witness for Perkins Coie...

AliceH

Comment by somebody at Ace: "As it turns out, ALL phones are Obamaphones."

Clarice

Cecil--even worse when the AG signs an affidavit indicating a Fox reporter is a flight risk.

James D.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/05/dept-of-homeland-security-laptops-phones-can-be-searched-based-on-hunches/

Since his election, President Barack Obama has taken an expansive view of legal authorities in the name of national security, asserting that he can order the deaths of U.S. citizens abroad who are suspected of terrorism without involvement by courts, investigate reporters as criminals and — in this case — read and copy the contents of computers carried by U.S. travelers without a good reason to suspect wrongdoing.

I wonder what the syllabus for Zero's Constitutional Law class looked like?

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

"I wonder what the syllabus for Zero's Constitutional Law class looked like?"

Uh, like the mostly lawyer class of both houses and the previous administration, as well as those of the 1947 National Security Act?

Authoritarianism is a must when you find yourself on the Power Perch.

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

Expert who assisted law firm which DEFENDED Obama's birth credentials now says Birth Certificate is a FRAUD!

That is a false statement. The man says not a single word about Obama's birth certificate. His remarks are directed exclusively at the pdf disseminated on April 27. 2011.

He says not a word about the hard-copy certified, sealed copy of the certificate that was publicly displayed and photographed on that same day. The photograph is here.

What has never been addressed by any of these loons is why, if one had in hand that nice, clean high-resolution document shown in the photograph, why would one go through the elaborate technical gymnastics necessary to "forge" a pdf showing the exact same information? (One wouldn't. One would disseminate a pdf of the document shown in the photograph. This simple question will never be addressed by the loons.)

centralcal

AliceH at 11:16 - No kidding! Well, except OUR Obamaphones don't come pre-paid. :(

matt

na na na na na....I can't hear you.....I'm not listening....

The one question I do have about this internal data mining is how it might be related to Obama's witch hunt against the intelligence community.

Donilon and Obama and the top echelon are privileged to leak any old thing they want, and a legitimate reporter - informany relationship is criminalized.

Threadkiller

DEDEBUNK

The pdf is an image of a birth certificate.

I can't make this any simpler.

bgates

Some of that was allowed under the Patriot Act

Yes, but Obama had that repealed, didn't he? Right after he shut down Gitmo.

Danube at IMac

FURTHER DEBUNK

Note the willfully deceitful use of language. The phrase "now says" subtly suggests that Mr. Hayes formerly defended the authenticity of the pdf, but has changed his mind. Untrue.

The wording might also be construed as suggesting that Mr. Hayes had done work for Perkins Coie on this very matter. Again untrue. In fact, all we know is that at some point someone at Perkins Coie retained Mr. Hayes for some purpose. Since his primary expertise is in handwriting analysis, that seems likely. There is no indication that he ever gave any testimony of the firm's behalf.

Always keep your eye closely on the ball when dealing with these snake-oil salesmen. It's a game of three-card monte, irresistible to the yokels.

narciso

You remember Chris Rock's extreme paranoid rant,
well which one you say, in the LUN

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

No LUN provided narc.

narciso

Sorry it linked to one of Obama's exams, from the Cantor piece, freedom is slavery, war is peace, However, Delmore Schwarts did have a point

narciso

Just like Derrick Bell's parables, one could imagine what tack he would take on this issue,
if he were on the other side.

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

I thought Arpaio made up the stuff on his own. He used a forensic document examiner??

No one has ever claimed Arpaio made it up himself. Indeed, his lead "investigator" Zullo identified by name on July 17, 2011 two document examiners who had examined the pdf.

There is nothing new in the PPSimmons material released today except the name of the guy (Reed Hayes) who assisted Zullo in the Alabama court filing.

Captain Hate

I hope they can use the metadata to ferret out Rachel from Cardholder Services.

Dear God I hope so. Off with her larynx.

narciso

On balance, I liked ZD 30, it's interesting that they casr 'Tony Soprano' as Panetta, in light of the recent revelations.

narciso

So who is the Jon Voight character, on the hook;

Threadkiller

DECODE DEBUNK

There is something new in the PPSimmons material.

Danube at IMac

Read up a bit on Rachel. It's hopeless.

Thomas Collins

Given Team Obama's strictly nonpartisan use of the IRS, I can't imagine anyone being concerned with Team Obama using Big Data from the cell phone calls against those with a different view of the role of government than Obama's view.

maryrose

Holder hanging on twisting in the wind with full approval of preezy. Time to get out the subpoena and haul his rear-end in front of Congress again. Any opportunity to show what a really POsag he is should be acted upon immediately. Call him the liar that he is and to his face.

maryrose

TC:
I can't wait to hear the rationalizations for pulling this latest invasion of privacy.

Threadkiller

FURTHER DECODE DEBUNK

Should the loons investigating the Sandy Hook shootings first try to understand Adam Lanza's "motivations" before they can claim the shootings to be a crime?

The motivations of the persons who created the pdf BC is immaterial to the fact that they created it.

I raised your birthbook faux expert by an actual expert.

Why don't you debunk the work of the actual expert instead of asking questions of motivations?

narciso

'Unexpectedly' this was what Comey was supposedly complaining about, the day before the trains blew in Madrid.

Jane

The IRS hearing has been fascinating. Fink, who is in a lot of trouble, certainly seemed honest to me. But he is very screwed, or should be. He was Spock in the movie and in charge of the spending.

Trey Cowdy was great. Now Werful who met with Schuler 2 days before the targeting began.

narciso

Why would a lowly OMB official be concerned with IT matters at the IRS?

pagar


Janet @11:10
I'm not so sure about a certain portion of the military.
Remember the military couldn't response to Benghazi because it would take them to long to get there according to many of the reports;
" Fifty-six minutes after his call to the Pentagon, the image of the crusader, with its odious melding of the crusader flag with the American flag, had been removed from the dining hall,” it said."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/church-state-separation-group-takes-credit-air-forces-removal-picture
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http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/05/army-punishes-soldier-for-serving-chick-fil-a/
"Crews said the soldier decided to hold a party to celebrate his new position. The invitations read, “In honor of my promotion and in honor of the Defense of Marriage Act, I’m serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at my promotion party.”
After the party, the solider received a letter of reprimand. Crews said at issue was the combination of the sandwiches and the soldier’s support of DOMA (which happens to be the law of the land).
“There was initially some talk of bringing judicial punishment against him,” Crews said. “He had a letter put in his file and an investigation was initiated to see if he had violated any policy.”
The solider reached out to the Chaplain Alliance for help and they put him in touch with an attorney. Crews said nearly one year later – the soldier is still embroiled in a legal battle."
The above is but one example cited in the article detailing the attacks on Christian solders.

Remember the highest ranks of the military wanted there to be no "loss of diversity" when an American Maj was killing America soldiers at Ft Hood. Now we have the insanity of that same Major being allowed to cross example the soldiers who didn't die.

I believe there are hundreds of examples of the Obama regime attacking each of the groups you mentioned.

IMO,It looks more and more like Squaredance was being overly optimistic in his posts.

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

Why don't you debunk the work of the actual expert instead of asking questions of motivations?

Because to do so would be to dignify the suggestion that this is a legitimate question that can be resolved by deciding between the claims of two competing teams of experts. That is the goal of the hucksters, who would love to create the impression that there is doubt about the authenticity of the certificate. There isn't. In any event, there are highly qualified experts who have indeed opined that the pdf contains no evidence of tampering or forgery. I will not load this site up with their technical analyses.

The question of motive here is unrelated to any such question in the case of a mass murderer. We know that such people act upon insane motives, or no motive at all. Here, the plain facts show that there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to create a forged pdf; the loons assert that nevertheless someone in the White House did so. They won't say why, because the question itself discloses how stupid their entire theory is.

This is kindergarten-level stuff. Only the yokels are deceived.

centralcal

Shoot - first time a comment has been eaten, in weeks.

Jane: See this about Mr. Fink and his "honesty." Issa saves Fink's bacon, if you ask me, as he lied under oath and then had to correct quickly.

MarkO

"I can't wait to hear the rationalizations for pulling this latest invasion of privacy."

BUSH

The vivid hypocrisy of Obama in claiming the wars are over, there is no "war" on terror but collecting data on American citizens.

No one would ever use this data to attack political opponents, right?

Let's hit the streets. I want to pamphleteer.

Captain Hate

Read up a bit on Rachel. It's hopeless.

Ugh, that's worse than I thought.

Speaking of which, the lawsuit by the state of Pennsyltucky against the NCAA got thrown out faster than JoePa did at the pearly gates.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

"na na na na na....I can't hear you.....I'm not listening...."

I see you're point.

Rob Crawford
No one would ever use this data to attack political opponents, right?

Of course not! Nor would anyone use sealed divorce records against a political opponent, or challenge the signatures on a primary opponent's petitions...

Old Lurker

Trey Cowdy is great I agree. He would have a future if some woman in his life would give him head and facial hair advice. What's with guys who cannot just admit they are half bald and go with it.

Threadkiller

DERAIL DEBUNK

Your side does not have expert testimony so it would be impossible for them to "compete".

Old Lurker

Let's see how Cardinal Dolan likes this (from the Examiner):

"Most of Planned Parenthood´s 750 health and abortion clinics around the nation will be covered under Obamacare, imposing a new demand on insurers who want to participate in the health care exchanges that will provide insurance coverage to millions of Americans. While insurers currently cover doctors and health facilities in their networks, Obamacare demands that they also cover at least 20 percent of "essential community providers" in their coverage area, including Planned Parenthood, AIDS clinics, pain management centers and even alternative medicine providers. "

daddy

A new bit of info on Stephanie Cutter's "There was nothing nefarious going on,” comment regarding head IRS guys being at the White House so often with her sometimes in attendance. From a study sited in a Washington Examiner story:

Curiously, WatchdogLabs.org also determined that between them, (IRS Head) Shulman and (IRS Witch) Ingram attended more than 300 White House meetings but never once attended the same meeting. A reasonable person could conclude from these facts that Obamacare wasn't the sole subject on the White House agendas of these two senior IRS executives.

Captain Hate

OL, I think the second sentence in your 1:34 would read better if you reversed the objects. Although it wouldn't have caused me to do a double take.

Old Lurker

Heh!

James D.

Totally OT, and shameless...

I'll be interviewed on Internet radio tonight about my books. The show runs from 8 PM until 11 PM (Eastern time). I'll be on from 8:45 to 9:05.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/trianglevariety/2013/06/07/the-authors-corner-with-elaine-raco-chase

Old Lurker

Normally I take credit for saying things like that on purpose. And had I thought of it I would have there, but sadly it was unintentional. Just to be truthful.

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

Anyone actually interested in expert analysis of the pdf can go here, here, or here, for starters.

Again, no one here--certainly not I--is qualified to dispute any technical analysis offered by either side. But the inescapable fact remains: to believe that the pdf is a forgery, you must believe that several people committed felonies for absolutely no reason at all.

Jane -

That's too bad CC. I guess I saw him after he had been appropriately chastised.

Very Cool James. I plan to finish volume 1 on my way to Europe. I am not a good reader anymore.

Thomas Collins

OL, you must have incriminating videos of Typepad execs. Your 1:34 PM goes through and some of mine on the Boston Bruins are blocked! :-))

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

Your side does not have expert testimony so it would be impossible for them to "compete".

False again. See my 01:56 post.

Note also that my side really has no need to produce expert testimony. Nothing has provided any need for them to rebut anything at all. Your side goes to court; your side loses. My side is quite content with the status quo.

Threadkiller

DEBUNK FLUNK

"The computer graphics expert Fox News relied upon to claim the birth certificate the White House released April 27 was legitimate insists that the network must retract the story, claiming it deliberately misquoted him and continues to ignore his repeated requests.

Jean Claude Tremblay told WND that none of his comments would permit the conclusion that the Obama birth certificate is an authentic document.

"I no longer trust Fox News,” he said, expressing anger verging on disdain for the way he feels the network treated him. “Despite my protests, Fox News will not allow me to correct their story."

http://mobile.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/#SFHmteFB37j0VcEd.99 

Oops on you.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

The choice of words. 'critical tool'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/obama-administration-nsa-verizon-records

Threadkiller

DEBUNK just ain't what it used to be...

Who the hell is youtube sensation "nyatnagarl"?

He seems to be an expert on meerkats.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nyatnagarl/videos

Threadkiller

BIRTHER

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/video-obama-columbia-classmates-we.html?m=1

Enough for now. DoT is barely phoning it in, leaving the audience at a complete loss.

daddy

More and more this is beginning to remind me of that scene from The Simpson's Movie, when Tom Hanks shows up:

Tom Hanks: [voiceover in TV ad] Are you tired of the same old Grand Canyon?

TV Dad: [bored] Here we are kids. The Grand Canyon.

TV Daughter: Oh, it's so old and boring! I want a new one, *now!*

Tom Hanks: [appears from behind bush] Hello. I'm Tom Hanks. The US Government has lost its credibility, so it's borrowing some of mine.

TV Son: Tussle my hair, Mr. Hanks!

Tom Hanks: Sure thing, son.
[laughs as he does so. Stars come out of the boy's hair. He then smiles in wonder]

Tom Hanks: Now, I'm pleased to tell you about the new Grand Canyon.
[shot changes to that of a smouldering crater]

Tom Hanks: Coming this weekend! It's east of Shelbyville and south of Capital City.


Marge Simpson: [watching ad] That's where Springfield is!

Tom Hanks: It's nowhere near where anything is or ever was. This is Tom Hanks saying, if you're gonna pick a government to trust, why not this one?

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

Jean Claude Tremblay told WND that none of his comments would permit the conclusion that the Obama birth certificate is an authentic document.

This is an example of the willful deceit that is emblematic of the birther lunacy. TK knows very well that there is a vast difference between being able to say that a document is not a forgery--which is what Tremblay said--and saying that it is authentic. In order to say the latter, he would have to be familiar with the format of Hawaii birth documents, the Hawaii state seal, the signature of Mr. Anoki, etc. Obviously he cannot do that, nor was he asked to. He was asked if the document had been forged, and he said that it had not.

The birther deceit in this instance goes as follows: "The document is a forgery." The proof: "No it isn't." Response:"Well. OK, but you can't say it's authentic."

It's not a forgery. For now, that's the only issue presented by the Arapio nutballs.

Rob Crawford

So... apparently Holder won't say "in an open forum" whether the Obama administration was spying on Congressmen.

So, yes, they were.

Now... can they get to the GD impeachment already?!

centralcal

Lachlan Markay ‏@lachlan 10m

Holy shit. Holder won't say whether DOJ is monitoring phone calls by members of Congress. http://washingtonexaminer.com/kirk-to-holder-is-doj-spying-on-congress/article/2531286?custom_click=rss

Film Ladd ‏@FilmLadd 9m

Woah RT @Bodhi1 Sen. Kirk: “Did the DOJ Spy on Congress Via Verizon?” AG Holder: “Uh….” Kirk: “Wrong Answer.” (Video) http://bit.ly/187qt57

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

Some of his classmates say they never say Obama at Columbia. Therefore he was not born in Hawaii.

No one should confuse these people with conservatives. They are screwballs.

Danube at IMac

DEBUNK

Who the hell is youtube sensation "nyatnagarl"?

Not the immediate, uninformed resort to ad hominem mockery of the man on the basis of his name. Not a single word in response to the substance of what he said.

Birtherism at its finest.

James D.

I'm glad I don't live in New York State anymore...

The New York State Senate today passed a bill that creates the crime of aggravated harassment of a police or peace officer. The bill (S.2402), sponsored by Senator Joe Griffo (R-C-I, Rome) would make it a felony to harass, annoy, or threaten a police officer while on duty.

“Our system of laws is established to protect the foundations of our society,” Senator Griffo said. “Police officers who risk their lives every day in our cities and on our highways deserve every possible protection, and those who treat them with disrespect, harass them and create situations that can lead to injuries deserve to pay a price for their actions.”

The bill establishes this crime as a Class E Felony, punishable by up to four years in prison.

“At a time when shocking incidents of disrespect and outright confrontation are at an all-time high, the men and women who patrol the streets of our cities deserve every possible protection we can offer them,” Senator Griffo stated. “My bill would make it a crime to take any type of physical action to try to intimidate a police officer. This is a necessary action because we can see from the rise in incidents that too many people in our society have lost the respect they need to have for a police officer. We need to make it very clear that when a police officer is performing his duty, every citizen needs to comply and that refusal to comply carries a penalty.”

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/senate-passes-bill-making-harassment-police-officer-crime

Note that last paragraph. The respect people "need to have for a police officer" and "every citizen needs to comply."

What about police (not to mention elected officials!) needing to EARN the respect of the citizens who pay them and equip them? And what about police (and elected officials!) respecting the citizenry?

The mere fact of speaking those words ought to disqualify an elected official from office. It's appalling beyond words.

NJJan

I tried posting before. NJ Atty General Jeffrey Ciesa is interim senator. He is a registered republican.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

California is one of several states where you need permission from all parties to video the police 'in action'. No doubt it's fiscal responsibility driving this trend.

Danube at IMac

Arpaioreleaseyourrecords. Evidence that the Arpaio team forged a document and lied about it.

That evidence has been presented here before. It remains unrebutted, here or anywhere else.

NJJan

Spelling correction: should be Chiesa not Ciesa

Old Lurker

I love DoT and TK both.

But I swear if they don't stop on that we are going to have to rewrite Narciscolator to screen out any of their posts on this one subject!

Rob Crawford

You know how police can get the respect of the citizens? Well, it doesn't start with turning "dissing" them into a felony.

(I'd suggest they start by arresting corrupt politicians, but then when would the police have time to write tickets?)

Threadkiller

DEBUNK JUNK

Tremblay did not say what you say he said.

Look pal, you presented the meerkat guy as an expert. Asking who the hell he is is a fair question.

You imagined that I mocked the only name he goes by.

Apparently you didn't read the classmate story.

Afterbirtherism at its finest.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

Writing tickets is the path to sound pensions.

Tax collectors, they've become.

Danube at IMac

OL, as I have said, I'll never be the first to raise a birther issue on any thread. But the stuff is so vile and counterproductive that, whenever it is raised, I'll respond.

Threadkiller

DUHBUNK

He will respond to misleading headlines with erroneous headlines.

Service...

Clarice

OL. I'm blushing!

NJJan

There is a new thread. Perhaps TK and DoT can keep the norther dialogue on this thread and the new one can be a "birther" free zone. They have so many comments on the subject, that in scrolling past comments on other subjects are getting lost. I don't know what others think, but I am finding it frustrating.

Threadkiller

BIRTHER

This ought to serve as a warning shot across the bow to the naysayers of our criminal investigation in the Obama fraud case. The impressive credentials of Mr. Hayes, and the fact that he has testified in court cases for Perkins-Coie coupled with the fact that Mr. Hayes is a registered Democrat, demonstrates the integrity of our investigation and our conviction that we possess incontrovertible evidence to back our case. It must be emphasized that we possess much more evidence similar to this revelation that we have not yet released for public information

http://youtu.be/0lFTqwmGBiAhttp://">http://">http://youtu.be/0lFTqwmGBiAhttp://

obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/sheriff-joe-document-expert-democrat.html

NJJan

That should be birther not norther. Using preview would probably be a good thing

Threadkiller

BIRTHER REPAIRS LINK

http://youtu.be/0lFTqwmGBiA

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/sheriff-joe-document-expert-democrat.html

iqvoice

Not so fast to disqualify all of this blogs readers from the ability to distinguish a pdf forgery!

When I first examined the PDF inside of Adobe Illustrator, I was indeed very puzzled at what I found. The various layers; the strange half-conversion of some images into text, etc. However, I was soon able to convince myself that it was legit, and I'll explain why.

I printed the original PDF on a high resolution color printer in my office, and then re-scanned it through an HP high-speed multi-page scanner. (The kind that cost $2,000+ and are commonly used by the government.) I had the scanning software automatically save the file as PDF with the OCR function enabled. Then I re-examined it in Illustrator. I found that very similar (but not identical) artifacts had been introduced to the new PDF!

It quickly became obvious to me that some stupid government secretary was responsible for the whole fiasco. The image should never have been scanned to PDF to begin with; it should have been released as PNG or TIFF. But if you were going to scan it to PDF, then you should at least make sure to turn off the OCR function.

Etc.

Extraneus

Oh sure, Clarice. Aren't you the one who posted the Old Jews Telling Jokes link?

Threadkiller

DEBUNK

Those who insist on the optimization argument either do not understand what attributes need to be present for this argument to hold water -- or they are hoping the general public does not understand.  It's probably a little of both.  The defenders certainly count on the ignorance of the average citizen when it comes to understanding the differences in layers produced from an automated process (such as optimization) compared to a manual choice to manipulate the file.  One goal of the report is to offer a deeper understanding for recognizing the two patterns of layering (and to avoid being deceived or bamboozled).  The report adds additional proof along the way that the optimization excuse fails miserably and can be completely ruled out as a justification for layers.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/m-new_obama_birth_certificate_forgery_proof_in_the_layers.html

Danube at IMac

Thanks, iqvoice. Many others have replicated the same experiment.

Until the birthers explain why it was necessary to forge a pdf when a perfectly clean and clear copy of the certificate was at hand, they are left holding their own pathetically silly bag.

They won't explain it because they can't. These are dishonest people, with gullible zealots in their thrall.

Threadkiller

DEBUNK

Motive does not need to be proved.

Patriot4Freedom

OL - I love DoT and TK both, too.

But some people love TK more when he isn't going on
ad nauseam about his BC and NBC theories.

That's why an accommodation was suggested whereby they alert us to a birther post by using a BIRTHER or DEBUNK header at the top of those posts. Enables those who are not interested to skip over them.

So far, it seems to *mostly* be working.

centralcal

NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL:

The [Obama] administration has now lost all credibility.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

Birds of a feather.


“Drone strikes. Wiretaps. Gitmo. Renditions. Military commissions. Obama is carrying out Bush’s fourth term, yet he attacked Bush for violating the Constitution,” said Ari Fleischer, George W. Bush’s press secretary.

“He’s helping keep the nation safe, vindicating President Bush, all while putting a bipartisan stamp on how to fight terror,” Fleischer added.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) defended the record-grab Thursday, publicly urging Attorney General Eric Holder to stay the course even if some corrections needed to be made.
“You keep up what you’re doing,” Graham said. “President Bush started it. President Obama’s continuing it. We need it, from my point of view.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/nsa-phone-records-obama-george-bush-92352.html#ixzz2VTJBLqTS

Threadkiller

Too bad Obama didn't continue Bush's $1.50 gasoline.

richatgmu

Too bad Obama couldn't have continued the 5% unemployment too.

Corn-fed conservative (southern strategy version)

Too bad he didn't continue the Bull Market through 2008.

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