Cars And Guns

Glenn links to M.D. Harmon, who ruminates about the dangers of teenage drivers and wonders what a world would look like in which we treated cars like guns:

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, automobile accidents are the leading cause of teenage deaths in the United States.

Some 2,700 teens aged 16-19 died in car crashes in 2010, the most recent year for which the federal agency's website has figures, and 282,000 were injured. So, the nation's schools have rightly implemented programs that teach teens to be safer drivers.

Yet, suppose educators instead declared that cars themselves were harmful instruments of death and destruction with no useful purpose.

Then they began punishing students at all ages, even down to kindergarten level, for such "offenses" as drawing pictures of cars, bringing toy cars to school or even mentioning the word "car."

You'd likely think this was an extreme overreaction, a textbook example of irrational behavior that was likely to punish innocent students for harmless words and actions.

Now, substitute the word "guns" for "cars," and you have a description of what appears to be a widespread mindset on the part of school officials nationwide that one psychologist and family doctor has called "psychotic."

Hmm. I think the daily utility of cars in most people's lives outweighs that of guns. However, I would have taken the metaphor in a different direction - since dreaded ASSAULT WEAPONS are fundamentally semiautomatic rifles with cool Arnold Schwarzneggerian cosmetic enhancements, maybe the Feds should crack down on automotive flame decals, rear spoilers and mag wheels in order to make strong statement encouraging responsible driving at moderate speeds.

Comments

[Danube of Thought]

Birther.

[Gus]

Maybe we could outlaw street gangs and possession of guns by felons in Chicago, that would help.

[henry]

Responsible people dial 911 while riding the trolley. /sarc

[Dave (in MA)]

Meanwhile, Jughead gets to use entire aircraft carriers for his personal protection.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/g8-summit/obama-assassination-bid-fears-aircraft-carriers-on-standby-off-irish-coast-during-g8-summit-29350738.html

[Old Lurker]

Was this mentioned on the other thread: proof of citizenship in AZ loses in SCOTUS 7-2.

Wow

[Neo]

What good will a aircraft carrier be when President Joe Biden gives the stand-down order ?

[Rob Crawford]

OL -- the feral government wants a new People, and will get it no matter what it takes.

[Neo]

Of course, they will have to outlaw school buses too.

[Account Deleted]

Dave (in MA),

Putin won't let him park one off the coast near Aleppo, so Ireland it is.

[Neo]

I wonder what happens to motorcycles and bicycles ? These are like marijuana, the starter drug, that get you on the harder stuff.

[jimmyk]

proof of citizenship in AZ loses in SCOTUS 7-2.

As Clarice points out, this seems like a procedural thing ("preemption"), and the gloating by the left (and moaning by the right) is premature. Scalia wrote that AZ can ask the feds to include the extra requirements, and then return to the SC if the feds say 'no'.

[Neo]

proof of citizenship in AZ loses in SCOTUS 7-2

This does explain why there are so few voter registration fraud convictions. Since the only requirement is that you swear "under penalty of perjury" that you are a citizen, they would be convictions for perjury.

[Rob Crawford]

Neo -- I wonder if you could even convict an illegal.

There's a Supreme Court decision saying that you cannot convict someone who's prohibited from owning firearms (felons, lunatics) of not registering a firearm because if they registered they'd be incriminating themselves. Extending that "reasoning", how could you convict an illegal of perjury on a statement about their legal status, when answering it properly would be perjuring themselves?

[matt]

I am at a loss to understand how having aircraft carriers off the coasts of Ireland and East Africa have anything to do with the medical capabilities afforded the president in an emergency.

Having a trauma surgery does little to allow the patient to be evacuated for higher level care. I really don't think they would entrust the president or his entourage to a C-2 to evacuate. The farthest they could go would be to a mainland airfield for a C-17 .Maybe a hospital ship would be better.

Carriers also mean carrier task forces, which include a couple of guided missile cruisers; destroyers, maybe a frigate or three, and subs. No wonder the cost is so ridiculous.

Is our president so worried about his personal safety? Did Bush do this?

And a carrier off of Ireland? Really?

Perhaps Obama is afraid of the NHS?

[Dave (in MA)]

A fully-automatic assault Pop Tart™

Although I don't see a scary bayonet lug.

[Danube on iPad]

I believe Scalia had some ancestors who weren't born on U.S. soil. That might explain it.

[Cecil Turner]

Probably wouldn't risk a C-2, but a VH-60 is the logical choice for evac, anyway.

[Dave (in MA)]

Maybe "off the coast of Ireland" is a ruse, and they're using the carriers as staging to launch drones on Iceland. ;-)

[Have Blue]

The last time I renewed my Pistol Permit in CT (2009 IIRC)I had to produce documents proving US citizenship or no permit even though I have had one continuously since 1989.

I currently have a Drivers License which promenintly states "Not for Federal Identification" because I did not present at the time i renewed it proof that I was a US citizen.

Interestingly the "proof" I presented to the Department of Public Safety (shades of the French Revolution) for my Pistol Permit was my voter ID card, the only ID I was carrying at the time that indicated or implied I was a citizen.

I don't remember if the DMV would not accept it or if I did not profer it. I do remember that there was no indication you would not have a fully functioning ID if you did not prove citizenship.

Sid note: Does anyone know what the actual effect of the disclaimer is? Not valid for ID purposes for filling out federal forms, I9 and the like? Boarding aircraft? Etc.

[4JackisBack!2]

Dave (inMA): LOL.

matt,

The carrier group is for electronic surveillence of the participants and secondarily to retrieve Bob Kraft's super bowl ring from Vlad.

[Danube on iPad]

"which include a couple of guided missile cruisers; destroyers, maybe a frigate or three, and subs...."

And a fleet oiler.

[Account Deleted]

Perhaps little tykes and tykettes should be encouraged to ask their indoctrinators why gosnels are allowed to chop up 2,700 little babies every day? Have them ask if guns are more dangerous than gosnels and if its OK to draw pictures of gosnels dripping blood.

Teens could ask indoctrinators if referring girls to a gosnel is more dangerous than a gun.

[Marlene]

Parents have the obligation to teach their children to be responsible,whether handling a gun or a car.
Oh,I guess there is no problem with Obama and his kids playing with squirt guns. Gawd,kids are being kicked out of school for making pop tart guns and wearing NRA T-shirts. Our president isn't setting a very good example. *snort*

[Ignatz]

Cars and Guns;

Finally! A thread about stuff I know and like.
Nothing to say of any value, but I do like cars and guns

[Captain Hate]

As Clarice points out, this seems like a procedural thing ("preemption"), and the gloating by the left (and moaning by the right) is premature. Scalia wrote that AZ can ask the feds to include the extra requirements, and then return to the SC if the feds say 'no'.

Since we're discussing this here I'll continue my comments from the prior thread. I think I've made it obvious that I have total respect for Clarice and DoT's legal expertise and hopefully Scalia's opinion has left enough room for Arizona to address this problem in another manner. But as to my comment regarding the JEF ignoring the NLRB court rulings that the recess appointments were illegal; does anybody doubt that if the Citizen's United decision didn't require a court's subsequent involvement in whichever way it was decided, that the JEF through the DoJ wouldn't be actively subverting it? He made no disguise of the contempt he had for the decision, he and his toadies were just lacking a means of working around it.

[Captain Hate]

Hopefully TK will use this thread to talk about cars.

[Extraneus]

Isn't subverting the SC what the IRS thing is about, Captain?

[Manuel Transmission]

In my little world, when you find a new friend, discovering that they are conservative and like guns, cars, airplanes and boats all comes together more often than not. About the only inspiration in these otherwise dismal times.

[matt]

is that normal oil or $100/gallon politically correct low energy value green oil, DoT?

[MarkO]

I wonder how Justice Roberts likes his Obamacare?

[rich@gmu]

The Official Iggy Mopar and BOOM! Thread ™

I've got nothing. Piled up so many tickets these last few months I have to take a driver "improvement" course.

[Threadkiller]

Grey Market cars with falisfied identification paperwork, CH?

[Ignatz]

"--Hopefully TK will use this thread to talk about cars.--"

Hopefully DoT will use it to talk guns.
A win/win. :)

[Rob Crawford]

Piled up so many tickets these last few months I have to take a driver "improvement" course.

They teach you how to avoid the cops?

[Clarice]

I agree with that CH.

I think that either Motor Voter is revised to put the burden on the applicant that he is a citizen or the Immigration Bill gets canned. There's no way that millions of new voters can go on the rolls illegally with no practical means of stopping it.Those opposed to the immgration bill should right now be advocating a revision of that Act.

[Frau Eulenspiegel]

Iggy forgot HCOAB in his list.

Re: ...proof of citizenship in AZ loses in SCOTUS 7-2.

Consarn you Bent Willie and your evil Motor Voter law. Could it ever be repealed?

[Old Lurker]

Well I just know that Janet in Arlington, and me in Montgomery County are toast. Our counties make it very easy to get DL's and all of my laborers are happy to sign any form that allows them to vote more property taxes for us and more goodies for them.

Old Milton Friedman of "you cannot have open borders and a welfare state at the same time" fame would extend that wisdom by observing how much faster the explosion will occur if the recipients on the dole(s)are allowed to vote for them directly.

I understand the observation about the ruling being premptive with other routes for AZ to pursue, but seriously, you know the enemies will spin this as tantamount to SCOTUS approving the Gang of Eight immigration mega-bill. Plays right into the summer narrative for LIV and the dumb Reps who court them.

[Clarice]

I don't care how it's played, the opponents if they are smart should argue that either the burden of proof goes to the applicant or the immigration bill dies. It's simple.

[Danube of Thought]

Hopefully DoT will use it to talk guns.

Right on cue.

[4JackisBack!2]

We saw a guy driving a 3 series BMW Belgian plates while driving north. It was in North Carolina near Fayetteville (Ft. Bragg). Could be NATO. Never saw a Belgian plate outside of Europe. Obviously not a NBC (natural bought car:). Sorry, Ladies.

[4JackisBack!2]

...BMW with Belgian plates.....

[Frau Eulenspiegel]

More sobering thoughts from Insty:

"I guess a Gomez victory (in MA) wouldn’t generate enough revenues for consultants or something."

[Clarice]

FromAoS:It's a fairly straight forward preemption issue. The federal government has mandated a use of a specific registration* form through the Motor Voter Act and the court is simply saying that states can't add qualifications to it.

What the Court didn't seem to say is that such a requirement would be unconstitutional. So, it's time to press House and Senate candidates to add this to the federal form. Ideally, they'd repeal Motor Voter all together but that's not going to happen so fixing this oversight is probably the best we can hope for. Of course, that's likely a bridge too far.

*Apparently some people are confusing proof of citizenship at the time of registration with being able to vote. Just to be clear, SCOTUS didn't find a right to vote for non-citizens or say states couldn't stop non-citizens from voting.

That's why I said this was more a simple preemption case than an earth shattering voting rights case. Still, I think it's something states should be allowed to do and with political will it's a simple fix.

[jimmyk]

He made no disguise of the contempt he had for the decision, he and his toadies were just lacking a means of working around it.

I thought the IRS targeting was their means of "working around it."

[Clarice]

I like Gomez. I hope he wins, but I've plowed enough into MA politics. Either the dummies there do the right thing or they don't/

[Clarice]

Exactly, Jimmy. But it was more circumspect that direct under the circumstances.

[Dave (in MA)]

They don't. IMO the best we can hope for is a repeat of the '10 special election that has s a RINO upsetting the favored moonbat to occupy the seat for the duration of the term, after which the seat gets lost in the next general.

[Ignatz]

"--We saw a guy driving a 3 series BMW Belgian plates while driving north.--"

I'll lay odds it was speeding; Beemer drivers being the most prolific speeders in my experience.*

*Other than guys with Mustangs in Virginia that is. :)

[Dave (in MA)]

...But I'll be surprised if we even get that.

[Threadkiller]

Who has standing to force an individual to prove his citizenship?

[Captain Hate]

I guess you're right, Ext and jimmyk; I hadn't thought of it directed that way, just part and parcel of the general contempt they have for the Constitution and those who believe in it. Which is a different way of saying the same thing.

[MarkO]

"Who has standing to force an individual to prove his citizenship?"

Easy, big fella.

[Threadkiller]

That was close, MarkO.

Who wants to hear about my 375HP '71 240Z?

[rich@gmu]

Who wants to hear about my 375HP '71 240Z?

go on.

[MarkO]

Proceed.

[Have Blue]

Referencing my 1240 comment - Would a person who got a drivers license get a "Not for Federal ID" license due to not fulfilling the feds ID requirements still be able to register to vote?

How does that make sense?

[Captain Hate]

secondarily to retrieve Bob Kraft's super bowl ring from Vlad.

Am I the only person who thinks somebody needs to tell Kraft to STFU about this. For God's sake, it happened when Bush was President and he's talking about it like it happened last week. Between this and his Tebow comments, maybe banging that underaged actress has given him some sort of senior Tourettes where he just blurts out whatever comes into his head regardless of what relationship it has to current events. Although if he ultimately embarrasses Goodell, that is a better win than any Super Bowl. Also he's the owner and can have a replacement made out of pocket change rather than yammer endlessly about it. Just shut up.

[rich@gmu]

HB-

None at all. I've never heard of that on a DL anyway. Is that a unique CT feature?

[MarkO]

Snowden Q & A for those interested.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?CMP=twt_gu#block-51bf336ee4b06cdba47d4023

[Danube of Thought]

Who has standing to force an individual to prove his citizenship?

The U.S. government.

[MarkO]

Holder's DoJ?

We're all flight risks now.

[daddy]

Magyn Kelly is doing a segment on Holly Paz.

Paz said agents in Cincinnati openly talked about handling “tea party” cases, but she thought the term was merely shorthand for all applications from groups that were politically active — conservative and liberal.

I am convinced the only way we will get any truth out of any of these Administration goons is by waterboarding.

I'm serious.

[Threadkiller]

Wow! When I get home I will write a daddy sized post about the Z-Car.

Thumbing a Droid will not do justice to the car.

Teaser:
0-60mph in 4.3sec.

[MarkO]

daddy,

Even with a great deal of time for lawyer coaching, that is the best they can do. It is so obviously a lie, yet it will go unpunished. It is beyond our poor judicial system to deal with the lies that are couched as simple matters of interpretation.

Not even Nixon.

[Gus]

Anyone read Gregory Korte's column in USA today.
You see, the IRS considered TEA PARTY something that LIBTARDS too might call their 501(c).
Yes, and Conservatives might all their groug "PROGRESSIVE".
I had not touched a USA TODAY in years until I saw one in McDonalds today. First article I read was such nonsense, that the rest of my McDouble tasted DELISH, by comparison.

[rse]

And control of the US govt goes to the party with the least intention of making anyone prove citizenship. So the Reps run along with a me to, me too! approach.

Utter insanity. And I understand bill's Global Initiative has a mtg to push even more of all this. What an operation to have on the side of a future candidate.

[rich@gmu]

They teach you how to avoid the cops?

I wish. Got a friendly letter letting me know that I'm at -10 on points and the next ticket will probably result in a license suspension. Anyway thinking it might be a good idea to sell the car.

[4JackisBack!2]

Iggy,

Not true about Beemers and speeding. At least not on a per capita basis. That distinction belongs to the Subaru Outback, believe it or not. From an Insurance Institute study Boortz read on air once.

Must be those coexist bumper stickers are like magnets to our more conservative highway cops.

[Captain Hate]

0-60mph in 4.3sec.

For full appreciation I'll need a quarter mile time even though I know that's not the most important criterion for a Z.

[rich@gmu]

0-60mph in 4.3sec.

Nice. and what else?

[Gus]

Daddy, the Paz comments are the crux of Gregory Korte's column in USA TODAY.
Paz might have well put a sign on her caboose that said KICK ME.
Tea Party!! Patriot!! etc are ubiquitous!! Libtards love those terms!!!

[Threadkiller]

No quarter mile times.

Cartech turbo/intercooler pushing thru triple Mikuni 44s. MSD 6AL with MSD Boost Timing Control.

More on the engine later.

[Danube of Thought]

VDH:

Of all the legacies of Barack Obama, the most pernicious will be the creation of a rogue government that has cut off and terrified half the population — and for no other reason than that they seem to represent things that Mr. Obama simply does not seem to understand.

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

hope this posts - This is SO GOOD!

"Louisiana Senator Elbert Guillory (R-Opelousas) explains why he recently switched from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party. He discusses the history of the Republican Party, founded as an Abolitionist Movement in 1854. Guillory talks about how the welfare state is only a mechanism for politicians to control the black community."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n_YQ8560E1w

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

Guillory had attended a conference

"The @Large conference, where I was a speaker, was hosted by pastor C.L. Bryant, who tells his own story about leaving the left-wing black establishment in his new film “Runaway Slave.”

Bryant was president of the NAACP chapter in Garland, Texas, but his relationship with the NAACP soured when he refused to speak at a Planned Parenthood pro-abortion event.

His eyes began to open and see that his traditional Christian values – protecting the unborn and promoting the traditional family, individual freedom, and dignity – were out of whack with the political agenda blacks were automatically signing onto."

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/17/another-black-democrat-becomes-a-republican-rejects-abortion-extremism/

[DublinDave]

kind of funny when the Tea party, China and a scumbag traitor are all on the same side.

[Rob Crawford]

his relationship with the NAACP soured when he refused to speak at a Planned Parenthood pro-abortion event.

Interesting. That means the NAACP values abortion over one of their own chapter presidents.

I guess Pelosi really didn't mis-speak. Abortion is really a sacred area to them.

[jimmyk]

Am I the only person who thinks somebody needs to tell Kraft to STFU about this.

I for one had not heard the story, and find it pretty remarkable, just in terms of confirming my darkest views about Putin, as if I had much doubt.

[Ignatz]

Kind of funny when the Dem party is more repressive and left wing and more hostile to freedom than the communists running China.

[Ignatz]

"--Iggy,

Not true about Beemers and speeding. At least not on a per capita basis.--"

JiB,
Probably should have clarified that I meant big time speeders routinely going 15-20 or more over the limit and often unsafely; the exhibitionist speeder you might call them.

[Captain Hate]

Donk family values: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/06/sen_mary_landrieus_son_arreste.html#incart_river_default

[4JackisBack!2]

Iggy,

I passed him doing 80 on I-95 in my X5:). But that is only 10 over, well within acceptable tolerances. Actually, on 95, we call it keeping up with traffic.

[4JackisBack!2]

Talking about kids and cars, I have to laugh at the ones who go and drill holes in a fat muffler, plaster racing decals on their window and put a spoiler on thei Camry. As if they are now in Jeff Gordan territory because the car sounds loud = fast.

[Frau Lass mich durch! Bin BMW Fahrer!]

There used to be plenty of German jokes and insults directed towards BMW drivers, but who can forget this?

or this?

[matt]

some of us just have to get places fast, iggy. Miles to go before we sleep. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

As to Outbacks, they seem to be driven primarily by tattooed Red Bull drinking nappy headed hipsters trying to catch the next trendy food truck.

[rich@gmu]

Get Beasts in here. He's the exhibitionist speeder!

I'm just unlucky...I'm usually speeding without any other cars on the road except me and the county sheriff's deputy.

[Dave (in MA)]

Not true about Beemers and speeding. At least not on a per capita basis. That distinction belongs to the Subaru Outback, believe it or not

Leadfooted lesbians?

[Jane on Ipad hi there NSA]

It is officially 228 degrees in Florida. JIB you are lucky to be awayt.

[Steve]

CONFIRMED! Sharyl Attkisson's personal and work computer were hacked! (Video)

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/06/confirmed-sharyl-attkissons-work-and.html

[Manuel Transmission]

we call it keeping up with traffic.

With all the miles I've done in various Bum-Ws and a few Portches (heh), my all-time biggest ticket was for doing 97. In Montana. In a 97 4-Trotter. Mrs MT gave the county mountie some shit about whether the check would bounce, if he tried to cash it before the weekend.

[4JackisBack!2]

Jane,

Before we left Florida, the golf. club was alredy supplying lavender scented ice towels. Normally we usually wait until the 4th to start that. Should be getting the obligatory afternoon T-Storm done in Naples about now.

New tropical depression forming off Honduras.

[Neo]

Meet Alex, the first Muppet to have a dad in jail. One in 28 children in the United States now has a parent behind bars — more than the number of kids with a parent who is deployed — so it’s a real issue, but it’s talked about far less because of the stigma.

Alex is blue-haired and green-nosed and he wears a hoodie – you might think he’s just another carefree inhabitant of Sesame Street. But there’s sorrow in Alex’s voice when he talks about his father.

...next character .. MaryJane, known as Reefer to her friends, lives in a bowl

[Rob Crawford]

Alex is blue-haired and green-nosed and he wears a hoodie – you might think he’s just another carefree inhabitant of Sesame Street. But there’s sorrow in Alex’s voice when he talks about his father.

Wait until Oscar the Grouch reminds us that Alex's "father" committed a crime, was tried by a jury of other muppets, found guilty, and is in prison because he knifed Cookie Monster during a bakery robbery.

[Clarice]

Frau, I love the sage colored car.

[matt]

they didn't call him Trayvon?

[Old Lurker]

Me too, C.

And thanks for your guidance on the SC decision.

[Neo]

Alex won't last long.
I expect him to be gun down with a Pop-Tart in the shape of a HK MP5KA5.

[MarkO]

Alex's dad is not in for "rape" rape, but just for fondling a sock.

[4JackisBack!2]

matt,

Ever been to Vermont? More Outbacks than cows. All the gas pedals specially fitted to accept Birkenstocks. All the seat headrests have openings large enough for pony tails.

[Threadkiller]

If future Obama had a Muppet son, he would look like Alex...