Zimmerman Case No Longer About Race

The professional race baiters are standing down in the Zimmerman trial? Or are we supposed to pretend they never stood up?

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[henry]

Just a new directive from Minitrue. The narrative was never wrong, long live the new narrative! Late conversions will not help them when the civil suits arrive.

[narciso]

'shirley they can't be serious'

[centralcal]

Funny, how when the bright light of racism is shined in their direction (creepy ass cracka, calling a non-black a n*gg*r) there is no race factor in this case. No, no, none at all. No siree.

[MarkO]

There must be consequences for those who put Zimmerman through this. Nifong was disbarred. What can be done in Florida?

[Clarice]

If it wasn't about race what was the DOJ doing there stirring it up and why did the usual Shabazz-Sharpton-Jackson gang pimp it? Indeed, why were the LE officials involved overruled? I suspect the Martins and Crump are getting pressure from the Gov and Holder to tamp it down and know that they will lose all support if their actions and an acquittal lead to riots.
(Also Crump may be in trouble for his manipulating Dee Dee and lying about it.)

[Thomas Collins]

Ben Crump saying the Zimmerman prosecution is not about race is as accurate as saying that Anna Nicole Smith's relationship with J. Howard Marshall was not about money.

[narciso]

Here was the Telegraph piece, that caps Clarice's offering tomorrow

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/10148682/Did-Barack-Obama-pick-the-wrong-venue-for-anti-slavery-speech.html

I didn't know they had debunked this back in 1959, by a professor at the Sorbonne.

[Danube on iPad]

Somebody tell bubu.

[NJJan]

Reposting from previous thread. Reworking the narrative has begun:

Good morning
Looks like the new mantra on the left MSM's take on Zimmerman trial is that the prosecution may have overcharged. Both the Guardian and Jake Tapper are airing this opinion. I linked the Guardian piece below, not for the article itself which is the usual biased slant, but for the comments which show a surprising amount of support for Zimmerman.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/28/george-zimmerman-murder-trial-week-one

Also, apparently Crump and crew are saying this is not race based and when asked when they changed their minds about this, Crump said they never thought it was about race. He said that they always thought Zimmerman had criminally profiled Trayvon, not racially profiled him

Think these folks are setting up for not guilty verdict?

[MarkO]

"I didn't know they had debunked this back in 1959"

Obama can't be responsible for knowing about something that occurred before he was born. Those were dark times, not full of the light of BHO.

[centralcal]

Someone else is in Africa right now, too. W and Laura are in Zambia helping to renovate a clinic.

[Clarice]

O think the martins and Crump are scared of something more than the acquittal. Who or what put the fear of God in these grifters?

[NJJan]

His "fellow professor" at the University of Chicago" also debunked it. What is the world coming to?

[narciso]

Clinton sold the same scam back in 1997, the 'peculiar institution' was wretched enough, to want to make it look worse.

[NJJan]

OT, but Sarah Palin at her best:
Great job, GOP establishment. You’ve just abandoned the Reagan Democrats with this amnesty bill, and we needed them to “enlarge that tent” of which you so often speak. It’s depressing to consider that the House of Representatives is threatening to pass some version of this nonsensical bill in the coming weeks.

Once again, I’ll point out the obvious to you: it was the loss of working class voters in swing states that cost us the 2012 election, not the Hispanic vote. Legal immigrants respect the rule of law and can see how self-centered a politician must be to fill this amnesty bill with favors, earmarks, and crony capitalists’ pork, and call it good. You disrespect Hispanics with your assumption that they desire ignoring the rule of law.

Folks like me are barely hanging on to our enlistment papers in any political party – and it’s precisely because flip-flopping political actions like amnesty force us to ask how much more bull from both the elephants in the Republican Party and the jackasses in the Democrat Party we have to swallow before these political machines totally abandon the average commonsense hardworking American. Now we turn to watch the House. If they bless this new “bi-partisan” hyper-partisan devastating plan for amnesty, we’ll know that both private political parties have finally turned their backs on us. It will then be time to show our parties’ hierarchies what we think of being members of either one of these out-of-touch, arrogant, and dysfunctional political machines.

[Captain Hate]

Palin just took Rove's ignorant article in the Thursday WSJ, wadded it up and shoved it up his fat ass.

[bunkerbuster]

This much remains undisputed: for identity conservatives, the Obama presidency is most definitely about race.

[Ignatz]

What does "criminally profiled" mean in the context of what Crump is now saying?

It's at best non-sensical and at worst an admission Saint Trayvon was casing the joint.

If it's a claim Zimmerman thought every young hoodlum regardless of race sneaking around in the rain and dark were probably criminals, it seems he was fairly prescient in suspecting the choom smoking, fight clubbing, in possession of stolen property, start hittin the cracka til he has to shoot you Saint Trayvon was just another two bit violent wannabe gangsta.

[Clarice]

If only she had a more polished accent..........what would the left do then to pretend she was stupid and her opponents first class geniuses?

[centralcal]

NJJan: Amen and Amen to what Sarah is saying. I've been "there" for quite awhile now. Utter disgust for both parties, with a few rare exceptions on the GOP side.

[Ignatz]

Identity conservatives! You can't say bubu doesn't give the people what they want.

[NJJan]

Can't post pictures so I am linking to pictures of 43 and Laura in Africa. Both he and JEF are in Africa -- what a difference.

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/28/president-bush-43-and-laura-bush-right-now-in-zambia-working-to-renovate-a-clinic-that-will-serve-as-a-cervical-cancer-screening-and-treatement-center-click-to-see-more-pics/

[narciso]

She carved him up like a Tauntaun, or like the deer in that iconic picture.

[Account Deleted]

Clarice,

Miss Jeantel is certainly stupid enough to blackmail the Martins and Crump. What would she believe a threat to tell the truth about what the President's punk son said before he attacked Zimmerman to be worth?

I'm trying to get the Worthless POS List for this low farce correct. Do you think the President should be before or after Corey?

[NJJan]

Centracal

Sorry. I missed seeing your post on the Bushes African visit. What a difference between the two men. One is can do, the other is all talk and no walk.

[Bruce Hayden]

Well,, the trial isn't about race any more, but maybe is about homophobia on the part of Martin, then maybe the MSM and the left can recast this as a young homophobe physically attacking someone he views as possibly gay, knocking him down, and beating his head into the concrete, MMA style, all because of his homophobia. So, poor gay looking Zimmerman had to shoot the homophobic Martin to protect his life. Despite how far LGBT (etc.) rights have come, esp., after DOMA was struck down last week, we should look at how much further we still have to go in this country.

Something like that as the new Narrative, esp. if Zimmerman is acquitted, as many, if not most, here expect. Sure, the whiplash is going to be brutal for some on the left here, but that is what you get when you have a party based on identity party interests, and some of the identity parties have fundamental disagreements (e.g. that Blacks tend to be more anti-gay than almost any other demographic group).

[centralcal]

No problem, NJJan! We are both thinking alike about the compare and contrast.

[Clarice]

Rick, Hmm? I still think she assumes the Martins are her friends. But I've been wrong before.

[narciso]

It's practically 'Bearded Spock' the way Clarence Thomas and Col. West are treated as opposed to this fool;

[NJJan]

Bruce,

Whiplash won't begin to cover it if the left uses that tactic. However, I suspect the narrative will be the one starting to emerge -- that the prosecution overcharged.

[Extraneus]

It wasn't about race. It was about money. And now they know the million they got from the Homeowner's Association is all they're gonna get.

[Benjamin Crump]

Whiplash!?!
Did somebody say whiplash?

[Ignatz]

Gotta relink this story that narc linked yesterday; it's too deliciously ironic for only one reading.
Bird last seen in Britain 22 years ago thrills birders with reappearance, promptly flies into a windmills gnashing green teeth of death and is crushed.

[DublinDave]

Of course it's not about race, it's about carying a loaded gun and following children around dark secluded areas at nightime. It's about George, the unemployed loser son of a highly successful father going out at night and intentionally scaring the living shit out of a minor, hoping to solicit a response which will allow the fat ass to do what he intentionally set out to do, what he'd been itching to do for a long long time and that is to exercise the only power a man with no prospects and no income will ever know.

No civic minded, responsible person concerned about the safety and security of their community carries a loaded gun and follows people at night time.

That's what fucking vigilantes do.

[henry]

Guy who forged recall signatures avoids jail. At least for now.

His reason for forging petitions?

I let my emotions run wild and you know, sometimes hatred blinds you to what’s right or wrong. I knew what I did was wrong, but I was so filled with hatred I did it anyway

So he admits his felony forgery was a hate crime and the stupid judge lets him off with a fine. The courts do not punish lefty hate, but if a well meaning conservative misses a comma on a piece of paper they throw away the key.

[CR]

Who was it that claimed Trayvon had been killed for "WWB" through a gated community?

[Patriot4Freedom]

Not about race? Maybe Dee Dee's testimony led to some second thoughts about what Crump and Co. are really up to here.

But I don't expect them to drop their "profiling" and "stalking" claims against Zimmerman - those look to have a lot of traction among the LIV's and the race-baiters' followers.

[Eric in Boise]

Dudu, what do celibate vigilantes do?

[Patriot4Freedom]

what do celibate vigilantes do?

Post idiotic comments under the name DublinDave, among other names.

[Captain Hate]

Why does the identity imbecile hate Hispanics?

[Captain Hate]

My mistake; it was the other idiot who fantasizes about raping Hispanics.

[Captain Hate]

the unemployed loser

fat ass

a man with no prospects and no income

dumbassdave in his own words.

[Stephanie]

You know, if I were a juror on the GZ case, I'd be really pissed that the prosecution wasted my time on this farce.

I'd also be likely, once the verdict is read, to wander over to the defense team and ask to join the civil suit for damages.

[Jane -]

CR: This guy: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150592802426066&set=pb.67183426065.-2207520000.1372521415.&type=3&theater

[Patriot4Freedom]

Hank Johnson, (Loon-GA)

Famous for expressing his concern that "Guam would tip over."

[DebinNC]

Wasn't the cause of those nationwide "hoodie marches" that GZ followed Trayvon because his hoodie indicated he was black, i.e. he racially profiled him based on what he was wearing and not his "suspicious" actions?

[Jane -]

Stephanie,

I assume if the jury truly knew nothing about the case, and has no idea what the law is, they are simply trying to figure out what the point of the whole thing is. They probably assume there is more to come, or they are missing something.

[Jane -]

Deb,

Nice to see you. You haven't been around much have you?

[centralcal]

You know, if I were a juror on the GZ case, I'd be really pissed that the prosecution wasted my time on this farce.

Stephanie, sadly more than time has been wasted. From a portion of the comment section at TalkLeft:

People have suffered material consequences because of the racism meme. GZ's parents had to move because of death threats. The media has besieged Twin Lakes residents, and some of them felt they had to move.

The chief of police in Sanford had to resign, and Det. Serino was busted down to patrol.

Businesses have lost money because of crowds; some people think Sanford is a hotbed of racism; other people are afraid of violence from protesters.

[DebinNC]

Thanks, Jane. I swore off politics after the election. It's too disheartening, and I see no hope of it being otherwise in my lifetime.

[pagar]

"Bird last seen"

http://www.twincities.com/national/ci_23269786/feds-quiet-wind-farms-kill-eagles

I urge every American to go to the polls every election and vote to end the climate change fraud at every level by selecting candidates who oppose the climate change fraud.

Here are some of the people pushing that trillions of dollars fraud.

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/06/communist-party-will-work-with-democrats-and-moderate-republicans-to-give-gop-a-licking-in-2014-a-lesson-for-the-tea-party/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewZeal+%28New+Zeal+Blog%29

More working to promote the climate change fraud.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Obama-Make-climate-change-a-must-for-your-vote-4637711.php

Urge everyone to get out and vote against this fraud.

[Frau Steingehirn]

There's a lot of that going around, DebinNC.

[willem]

The narrative is poised to change from race to sex, if the discovery of recent facts prevail. The race narrative appears to have been officially abandoned.

Travon was killed puttin a beat down on a creepy ass cracker, or so his paranoia convinced him.

Z was the victim of mistaken sexual identity.

[Ranger]

Just wanted to pass this along. I was scanning across the radio stations last night on the road, and heard CBS New's trial digest. The only audio they played was the Mr. Good being asked 'At any time, did you see the person on the ground's head being slammed into the pavement or sidewalk?' Answer, no. Funny how CBS news editors are able to find the only bit of testimony that wasn't a total disaster for the prosecution.

[narciso]

That's going to make 'he would be my son' an awkward locution, not impossible mind you, but
certainly awkward.

Meanwhile are deploying troops in Egypt, while we didn't do it with Benghazi, I know for evacuation.

[narciso]

This is why I went with the 'Airplane' reference;

thehill.com, June 29: U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice rejected suggestions that National Security Agency leaks by former contractor Edward Snowden had damaged U.S. foreign policy or weakened President Obama.

[Danube on iPad]

It's back! "Identity Conservative!" Soon, real soon, the term is gonna be in common use among sophisticated political scientists.

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

On the prior Z thread, Willem (at 12:00 am), Carol Herman (at 12:19) and Elliott (at 8:44) have unpacked Dee Dee's testimony to forcefully argue that TM attacked GZ in a homophobic rage, explaining the fury of the attack as evidenced by the damage to GZ's head and face as documented on the scene. Worth a read if you haven't seen it already.

[Danube on iPad]

My concern is whether a quadroon-Hispanic male can get a fair trial in front of an all-female jury, five-sixths of whom are white.

[Account Deleted]

Narcsio,

Deploying? I'm reading on ready alert at Sigonella, which is probably a higher readiness status than Special-Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force 12.2 during their deployment from April to November 2012 to Sigonella was at on September 11th.

[centralcal]

Mediaite has video of Anderson Cooper interviewing Trayvon's stepmother, who raised him for 14+ years (from the age of 3).

Apparently, she has been shut out by the rest of the family and shoved to the background. But, AC found her and brought her before his cameras.

She never ever heard Trayvon use those words (cracka, etc). He loved children and she believed he would have found a career working with children. She does not think his death was racially motivated. However, she knows that Trayvon would never, ever have thrown the first punch or in any other way started the altercation with Zimmerman.

So sayeth the stepmother who "raised" him.

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

ISTM Good's testimony that he was unable to see whether the blows actually landed is a big nothingburger. The best evidence that they landed is the photograph of Zimmerman's face taken by the police officer immediately after the "altercation".

[Ignatz]

--Of course it's not about race--

Were anything WeeDavey ever said worth spending more than a few seconds on, it would be amusing to review the many comments he has made over the many months of this event talking about how "of course" this was precisely about race.

[Frau Steingehirn]

cc, another commenter elsewhere said that anyone who had teens knew that the language used was normal among that age group.

[derwill]

You don't understand, Jim. While Martin was only pretending to beat on Z and flailing at the air, Z was punching himself in the nose and banging his own head against the concrete, because he knew that once he shot TM, he was going to need proof if he were going to claim self-defense. Z had this all planned out from the beginning, you see, from the minute he profiled him for walking while bla--er, while looking like a criminal. So he stalked TM and when TM turned around and confronted him for stalking while being a crazy-assed cracker and wanna-be rapist, Z threw himself on the ground, asked TM to crouch over him and throw fake punches while he beat himself up.

I don't know why you people don't get this. Really, it is so obvious even duda and bubu can see it.

[Laff Trac]

"That's what fucking vigilantes do."

DiamondDave Jeantel back with some Comedy Gold...Com-e-dy Gold!

[Bruce Hayden]

Agree with Jim that the Good testimony that he didn't actually see Martin hitting Zimmerman is a not a blow to the defense. He saw from the back Martin's arm movements like he was repeatedly striking GF, but couldn't see his fists actually strike, because of his position. Yes, maybe he was pulling his punches at the last, as martial arts experts are taught to do, but is that likely? Esp. in view of GF's injuries? I think that the prosecution did what they had to there, in trying to minimize damages, but couldn't do much. The jury is likely, I think, to think just as we did here, that the prosecution is trying to make a distinction here that really doesn't matter.

[Frau Steingehirn]

OT - Claire Berlinski on Turkish opinion: "We have confirmed their fondest suspicions about us—to wit, that we’re fools."

[boris]

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/george-zimmerman-re-enactment-video-with-the-police-before-he-had-a-lawyer-and-right-after-the-shooting/

[Clarice]

The contrast between Good was was so precise and unwilling to testify to aything (like the fists hitting) which he could not have seen from his angle of sight and Jeantel is something.

[Enlightened]

Right- not about racial profiling. Of course that would not explain the states push to get previous GZ NEN calls all identifying the alleged suspects as black.

This is just repugnant. Angela Corey should be disbarred.

[Enlightened]

Anderson Cooper still looking for proof of St Trayvon.

[Account Deleted]

Crump should be disbarred. Corey should be defenestrated while holding hands with Biondi and Scott.

Branca has a Weekend Wrap-up at Legal Insurrection.

[matt]

sound of the grass versus innate conservatism, clarice?

[Clarice]

Yes, she should be. So should the prosecution team and the Governor should be called to account along with Holder for his Dept's interference.

[matt]

since Bruce Le is dead maybe we can get Chuck Norris to opine. Either of them could have killed Zimmerman with a simple haii ya!!

[DebinNC]

What explains GZ's certainty in the reinactment that after the shot he spread Trayvon's arms out to his side because he thought he was holding something in his hand/s, but arriving LE found Trayvon on his front with his hands under his body? Who would have tucked TM's hands under his dead body and why? Other than that, the reinactment would be very helpful to GZ imo.

[Clarice]

Yes, matt==sound of "wet grass" indeed.

[Danube on iPad]

I enjoyed Greta's musings about how she would handle the tape if she were representing GZ.

Good question, Deb.

[Eric in Boise]

Anderson Cooper still looking for proof of St Trayvon

If GZ is convicted (God forbid), they'll probably name a middle school somewhere after Saint Skitts.

[Gus]

Once again the REEETARD called ButtBuster be-clowns himself.

Obama was the person that said Skittles "looked" like his son.

And it's not the LIBTARDS who are using RACE??

[Ignatz]

--I think that the prosecution did what they had to there, in trying to minimize damages, but couldn't do much.--

You never want people writing about how well you minimized the damages....from your own witnesses.

[Clarice]

Deb, is that in the video? If it were and the prosecution was certain no one in LE or the forensic team did that, I'd expect them to put the video in evidence.

[Ignatz]

As bad as the prosecution has gone let's not minimize the proclivities of juries to go for a lesser charge in the interests of cutting the baby in half, which our brilliant, DeeDee-pandering pop culture seems to have made most people believe was the end result and lesson to be learned from Solomon's story.

[Enlightened]

Isn't it possible Martin moved his hands under himself? He was still alive when LE arrived. And I suspect he was still alive when GZ moved him around. Maybe he was moving into a fetal position which I believe happens as a person is dying?

[Captain Hate]

Isn't Anderson Cooper conflicted with all this homophobia; by both Saint Traytable and Alec "My daughter is a pig" Baldwin?

[Gus]

Did Skittles step mommy teach him how to fight and smoke dope, or did she do the burglary 101 courses??
Skittles would NEVER xyz. Vomit.
and..
"the unemployed loser
fat ass
a man with no prospects and no income"

Sounds like a transgendered DEE DEE.

[Carol Herman]

I was here, living near Pasadena, when the Rodney King Riots broke out. In the old days, when television held sway. And, the rioting was spontaneous. Blacks (and others), headed to South Korean businesses at first. And, then just to access any malls they could.

It was 1991. The smell of gun smoke hung in the air. At first the South Korean business folk thought the cops would come. And, protect them. The cops didn't come. And, within 3 days ALL businesses learned to hire their own snipers (including from the Chinese mafia). When snipers arrived on the roofs of businesses the arrival of looters was stopped. Cars were put in reverse. And, the "party atmosphere" came to an end.

While over in the USSR, (not seeing the downside of showing this across Russia), viewers there lowered the volume on their TV sets. And, just watched as stores full of TVs and Refrigerators were raided. What caught every Soviet's attention? America had stores with so much goods on their shelves, there was merchandise, galore, to steal. While Russians had government stores with empty shelves. (Until those videos, Russians were led to believe that Americans had it worse.)

This time around? You know, you haven't seen any riots. It seems the Black community in Florida wasn't tempted. And, Al Sharpon and Jesse Jackson are outsiders. How come no riots got born on this upping the ante of a black killed killed in self defense, to this show trial?

Why is there an imaginary black riot on the horizon? Why isn't the truth obvious? Blacks and Hispanics in Florida are 2nd class citizens. "Throw aways." And, Zimmerman's big crime? At his bond hearing he didn't list the BIG money he was collecting from strangers who kept sending money in for him to defend himself. To the court, he reported his income. Not the unknown number dealing with financial assistance from strangers.

Instead of hanging Zimmerman, this case may add the cherry on top of our judicial system which looks way out of whack with reality. Whom can white people sue to get their reputations back?

[Ignatz]

--Maybe he was moving into a fetal position which I believe happens as a person is dying?--

Might be more likely he was clutching at the hole recently put in his chest.

[Captain Hate]

Slicing like a hammer: http://twitchy.com/2013/06/28/sarah-palin-hopes-rubios-phone-call-from-obama-was-worth-30-pieces-of-silver/

[Captain Hate]

One of the comments on that link (slightly modified by me): If McRINO had another son, he'd look like Rubio.

[Ignatz]

All I can say is if false advertising and bait and switch laws applied to politicians the voters of Florida would have a serious shot at qualifying for a class action suit.

[Danube on iPad]

According to GZ on the tape, at first he didn't think his shot had hit TM. But TM got off him and sat back down, whereupon Z got on top of him, holding him face down and with his arms outspread, continuing to yell for help. At that point he believed TM was still alive (and perhaps he was).

[Gus]

I learned a lot this week.
I learned that Ernie and Bert get it on.
I learned that being a fat disrepectful, dishonest, illiterate, 19 year old black woman just entering senior status in high school is the norm for Dee Dee's culture and that libs celebrate the richness of illiteracy.
I learned that the Republican party does not share the traditional values and belief in the rule of law that fly over Americans do.
And I learned that the GOP WILL NOT STAND UP TO the LIBTARD ONSLAUGHT for fear of being called racist.
I am so proud to have never joined the Republican Party. My State is bizarre. We have a new Senator that is GAY, and the guy who took her place in Congress is GAY too. Why are we CELEBRATING HOMOSEXUALITY. To me, it's akin to celebrating someone being born on a Tuesday. As a nation, those who celebrate homo's, do so, to make themselves feel morally superior and tolerant. THEY ARE NOT.

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

It is in the video, Clarice, and I agree with you that the prosecution is likely to put the reenactment into evidence. The only major discrepancy between GZ's reenactment tape and the evidence is the position of TM's arms. GZ says they were spread out and the evidence shows they were under TM's body. The prosecution has taken great pains to set this up, asking every witness to the crime scene whether they saw the position of TM's hands. In each instance the answer was under his body. Those questions were not made idly by the prosecution. Whether that helps them negate self defense beyond a reasonable doubt is the big question remaining in the trial as far as I am concerned, but I fear it will likely get them past any potential motions to dismiss on the grounds of self-defense after they put on their case.

The prosecution has lost murder 2, which IMO should be dismissed at the close of the prosecution's case. The facts make out a case of manslaughter. ISTM all that is in play now is self-defense.

[Clarice]

Thanks for clarifying that, DoT.

[Gus]

Oh, I forgot!! CREEPY CRACKA ASS isn't racist.

[Clarice]

Jim, didn't DoT's post just dash that? GZ said he spread the arms out while TM was face down and the medical examiner confirms that TM might well have still been alive then and for some minutes more. I don't see how the discrepancy would make it manslaughter in any event. If there was one it would suggest GZ was not truthful in his account and that lack of credibility would be a factor whatever the charge.

[Gus]

Jim, I've thought all during this trial that the Prosecution was purposely setting up MANSLAUGHTER. I believe the calculation was, that, prosecution will pretend to try to get White for Murder2, when they really seek a jury compromise, thereby getting the jury to make a wrongful but political decision. As someone said earlier, cutting the baby in half. The faux pas by the prosecution are way too obvious.

[Clarice]

In other words, Jim, it's a hail Mary McGffin by the prosecutor.A little distraction in case there's a moron on the jury.