Zimmerman Trial - Open Thread

"Dee Dee" is on the stand right now but I don't have the time to watch. Some background on Witness 8 is here. LI has an earlier recap.

Jeralyn Merritt studied the witness interviews and appraised the state's case here. This forecast seems to be half true:

The state isn't dumb enough to rely on phone friend Dee Dee other than in a minor, supporting role. The roommates and the Teacher would be demolished on cross-examination by what they said on their 911 calls.

Yes, after a month of publicity these folks had seen a lot more than they saw the night of the killing. But as to how dumb the state is, well, this seems to be their case.

I ASSUME THAT FOR CURRENT PURPOSES THIS COULDN'T BE HATE SPEECH:

Per Fox:

The star prosecution witness in the murder trial of George Zimmerman took the stand to recount her cell phone conversation with Trayvon Martin in the moments before he was shot to death, saying the Florida teen said he was being followed by “a creepy-ass cracker” just before the fatal confrontation.

"Creepy-ass cracker"? if Zimmerman had really said something comparable he would be looking at Murder One.

HOMOPHOBIC PLOT TWIST: Staid middle aged white guys like me probably thought that creepy ass cracker is a phrase in which 'creepy-ass' modifies the traditional southern "cracker". Creepy-ass, smart-ass, big-ass: the variations are limited only by your lack of imagination.

But folks dialed in to the Urban Dictionary will recognize "ass cracker" as a person interested in anal sex. And now "creepy" probably means, well, creepy.

This alternative view explains the next bit of the Fox story:

The star prosecution witness in the murder trial of George Zimmerman took the stand to recount her cell phone conversation with Trayvon Martin in the moments before he was shot to death, saying the Florida teen said he was being followed by “a creepy-ass cracker” just before the fatal confrontation.

Rachel Jeantel, 19, told jurors she warned Martin to walk away, saying "it might be a rapist."

A rapist? I had ignored that, figuring Rachel was being Rachel. But it certainly be a logically linear response to the suggestion that Zimmerman was an ominous chap interested in anal sex. Too linear, maybe.

But still - Martin, in a fit of homophobia, doubles back and bashes the 'gay' man following him. So who is the profiler committing a hate crime now?

Was "creepy ass cracker" in any of the depositions or did it surprise the defense? And where might the defense go with this?

But let's switch sources:

“Yes,” Jeantel replied. “I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man — the man looked creepy.”

“He said the man looked creepy?” the prosecutor asked.

“Creepy, white, kill-my-neighbors cracker,” Jeantel replied, and when asked to repeat her testimony a few times, added, “He looked like a creepy ass cracker.”

“He told me the man was looking at him,” she added, “so I had to think it might have been a rapist. Might have been a rapist.”

Now Martin is using 'cracker' conventionally and it is Rachel who is going homophobic.

QUITE A WITNESS: Danielle Cadet of The HuffPo liveblogged this. Their headline sort of overlaps with the presentation, which partially interesects with reality.

The headline:

Rachel Jeantel, Trayvon Martin Friend: Teen Was Trying To Escape George Zimmerman

Trying to escape? Maybe - this is their text:

Jeantel said Martin told her the man watching him was a "creepy-ass cracker." She recalled suggesting that the man might be a rapist. She went on to say that Martin told her he was going to try to elude the man, and that the teen left the area but that he was still being followed. Jeantel said she told him to run, but Martin replied that he was close to his father's fiance's house. Shortly after, Martin told Jeantel he would run home and then the phone went dead.

Later in her testimony, Jeantel said that when she called Martin back, he told her "the nigga is behind me." Jeantel said she heard a bump and then the sound of "wet grass." She said she heard Martin say "get off," the call was cut off and she never spoke to Martin again.

Back in the day we looked at the Google Maps photo of the area. Martin was roughly thirty yards from his home, with Zimmerman behind him. Yet several minutes later "the nigga" is still behind him and a scuffle ensues. The notion that Martin was determined to get home but cpouldn't manage it doesn't add up.

I NEED TO SWITCH PHONE PLANS: Jeantel testified that after the scuffle began she heard the sound of wet grass. I don't get that kind of clarity on Verizon.

MARATHON GAL: Witness Jane (Three Shots) Surdyka apparently claimed to have qualified for the 1980 Women's Olympic Marathon but missed because of the US-led boycott. An awkward memory, since the first women's Olympic marathon was at the 1984 games in LA.

However, she was on the list of top marathoners in 1980 (trailing roughly twenty other Americans, but that is why they have a trial), so she had some street cred. In fact, per this photograph description, she represented the US (along with Joan Benoit and six others) at the third Avon International Marathon, held in London on the last day of the Moscow Olympics in 1980.

As to boycotts, well, there was a push to include more women's Olympic track events beginning in the late 1970's (Grete Waitz won the NYC Maratrhin for the second time in 1979 and would have owned Moscow), so one view might be that the US boycott delayed the inclusion of more events in 1980. Historians would probably dispute that, but the Zimmerman defense would have been insane to pursue her down that rabbitt hole.

 



Comments

[MarkO]

First?

[Stephanie]

Comedy gold.

Can the bitch read?

[MarkO]

She has memorized a few things. Does not inspire confidence.

[Stephanie]

Damn, you can see the wheel trying to spin in her brain, but it's so slow the hamster died.

[Cecil Turner]

I don't see why anyone would pay any attention to this witness, anyway. In the first place, she claims to've heard the fact that Zimmerman was the aggressor . . . because he chased the skinny fast kid down, and said . . . [ ]. While he was speechless, TM goes, "Why are you following me?"

On what planet does that prove Zimmerman is the aggressor, instead of TM confronting and demanding an explanation?

She's getting snippy now, and it's not helping her credibility.

[Rob Crawford]

Any bets that the MSM reports that her "emotional" testimony "highlighted the horror of Trayvon's last few moments"?

BTW -- she apparently said St. Skittles was just a couple doors away from where he was staying at one point.

[Rob Crawford]

Cecil -- she also claims to have heard wet grass.

[MarkO]

She's such a poor liar.

[Clarice]

Popprd in for the end of Dee Dee's testimony today..Looks like the prosecution's case went from bad to irretrievably bad.

[Mark Folkestad]

Mercedes Colwin on Fox was crying DOOM for Zimmerman over the cross of DeeDee. I watched quite a bit of it, and I thought that the attorney was just letting herself fall into natural traps in her story, and impeach herself. But I'm no lawyer.

[Stephanie]

A couple of hours

WHUT!!!! - DD

Priceless...

Odds on her showing tomorrow?

[MarkO]

Clarice, I'm with you. She is a disaster.

[centralcal]

Yeah, Rob - hearing the wet grass was a hoot.

She's been snippy from the get go - even with the DA right at the beginning.

[Extraneus]

Until DublinDave weighs in, I'll refrain from forming an opinion on DeeDee and the DOMA verdict.

I will say, however, that a current screenshot of the Drudge page should be stored in a vault of some kind.

[Chum that tuna]

She's all 'uppity'-She shouldn't vote either.

[Extraneus]

Nice muscle-flexing.

Palin Throws Down Gauntlet on Primary Challenges to Rubio, Ayotte

[MarkO]

Calling Paula Deen:

The two had been talking on the phone on and off throughout Trayvon's trip to and from a convenience store the night of Feb. 26, 2012. At some point on the walk back to his father's home in Sanford, Trayvon told Jeantel that a “creepy-a-- cracker” was following him. She suggested he run, but Trayvon said no.

Jurors appeared transfixed by Jeantel's testimony, leaning forward and taking rapid notes. She told them that Trayvon became alarmed as he tried to lose Zimmerman near the community mailboxes at Retreat at Twin Lakes.

“’Oh, sh--,'" she said Trayvon told her. "'The n---- behind me.'"

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/26/3471243/alternate-juror-dismissed-in-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy

[matt]

I have tried to tune this out. I'm not much for sensationalist trials.

My impression is that the evidence so far has been haphazard and a lot of doubt has been cast. The testimony of this latest witness seems to have been self-impeached.

What is the impression so far of Zimmerman's chances of conviction?

[Clarice]

In my experience based on reading accounts of trials I was involved in, dumb reporters simply do not understand how cross examination works. Sometimes it is slow as you go thru documents to establish the predicate for the guillotine question and they never get that.

[Extraneus]

I'm not trying to change the subject, but TM did say this was an open thread...

» Police recovered evidence from Hernandez's phone, which included texts to the victim and two friends on the night of the murder.

» Prosecution said they have Hernandez on surveillance tape with a firearm in hand, while allegedly saying "you can't trust anyone anymore." Witness and surveillance tape in Boston also show Hernandez and Lloyd in a car together during the day of the murder. Texts showed Hernandez allegedly was mad because Lloyd talked to people that Hernandez "had troubles with" on the previous Friday night at Club Rumor.

» The prosecution said that roughly 6 to 8 hours of footage were missing from Hernandez's home security video system after the murder.

» Prosecution said Hernandez's home video that was recovered showed an unidentified person emerge from a car with a gun in hand on the night of the murder and walk through Hernandez's house before video footage went out.

» A shell casing was found in the car Hernandez rented. It matched the shell casings found at the scene of the murder.

» McCauley alleges Hernandez shot Lloyd three times right after Lloyd got out of the car. And then Hernandez is alleged to have stood over Lloyd and put two more bullets in his chest.

[MarkO]

DD herself referenced the TV Show 48. A real trial is very different. Sometimes, the points are not made fully to the jury until closing. Cross is not argument.

[Stephanie]

I loaded the AoS comments on the trial and had to tune in for the last hour or so just to watch the train wreck in real time. The comments were moron A+ quality plus ultra.

[centralcal]

matt - the best, clearest, easiest understood synopsis is over at Legal Insurrection. There is a posting for each day of the trial. Today's won't be posted until later this evening.

The witnesses have been interesting. Action was happening "left to right." No, it was happening "right to left." There were 3 shots fired. There was 1 shot fired. The big old guy was on top of the smaller young boy.

Anyway, you get the gist.

[NK]

Hernandez himself was the shooter? Unreal... madness, just Madness.

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

I watched DeeDee's testimony in its entirety. Three of my comments on LI summarize my take on DeeDee's testimony so far, and on my impressions of West's cross:

This witness is a ticking time bomb. If West can get her angry at him while keeping his calm demeanor, he can get her to implode without getting the jury mad at him. Her reliability is based on entirely on her memory which is not as good as she thinks it is. For example, she corrected West on the day of the week March 16 was. She said it was a Sunday, and West asked her if it might have been Saturday. She was adamant it was Sunday, even after West gave her the opportunity to correct herself. March 16 was on Saturday this year.

As an aside, I would have hated to to be the prosecutor team member assigned the impossible task of prepping her for today’s testimony.

And

I don’t think Ms. Jeantel will be in a great frame of mind tomorrow. She seemed tres unhappy that she is subject to the imposition of finishing her testimony. BDLR will have fun thinking about ways to rehabilitate her without using flagrantly improper leading questions.

Finally:

West has been lighting a fuse under this witness so she might implode tomorrow. His plodding, meticulous, style coupled with his calm, unflappable demeanor is the perfect skill set for dealing with a witness like this. I will be very surprised if West is through by the lunch break tomorrow. ISTM he is just getting started. BDLR is clearly doing a slow burn.

[narciso]

'Justice did jump the Octoshark today, and found 'the right to arm bears' I thought NFIB vs. Sibelius, was bad, but this was Leonard Pinth Garnell.

[centralcal]

Yep, Steph.

From AoS commenter quoting DD:

"AH WAS ON MAH BOOTOOF"

She said this in explaining how she could "do her hair" and be talking to Trayvon on her cell phone at the same time.

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

BDLR is Bernie del la Rionda, the lead prosecutor who took DeeDee through direct. Even that was not easy for him.

DeeDee is a big lass and looks to weigh in somewhere north of 200 lbs. Ebonics appears to be her native language.

[Clarice]

It's clear that she thought she'd get her nails one, sail in there and be a heroine for saying stuff to help Martins family and then waltz out with her lies and embellishments left unquestioned. She wil blow up tomorrow--no doubt about it. She regards the very idea of cross examination as an outrageous imposition.

[Clarice]

*nails Done*

[Rob Crawford]

What is the impression so far of Zimmerman's chances of conviction?

Sadly, I think it's still 50/50. Do the jurors take their jobs seriously or are they worried about retribution?

Former means acquittal. Latter means conviction.

[Rob Crawford]

In my experience based on reading accounts of trials I was involved in, dumb reporters simply do not understand how cross examination works.

Reporters never understand anything, but consider themselves experts at everything.

[narciso]

One is reminded of those scenes when Ted Stryker, told his interminable recollection, which caused his fellow passengers to immolate themselves in several ways.

[NK]

I don't know how cross-examination works -- until I see the Judge/Jury decision. X-exam is just a tool to get the result. The result is the decision/verdict. You do in X-exam what you need to do to get the result. I haven't watched any of the trial, but with a 6 woman jury, I doubt the defense lawyers want to get into ant arguments with witnesses. let the witnesses contradict and impeach themselves, then attack that in argument when the witness is long gone. History shows that is the most effective way to persuade woman jurors.

[NK]

I thought the Hindi passenger immolated himself and the Imperial Japanese Army officer hanged himself?

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

I have been watching much of the key testimony and followed jury selection fairly closely, Rob. I think giving the prosecution a 50% chance is a real stretch, especially after it overcharged on the basis of very questionable eye/ear witness testimony and the indisputable evidence of wounds on the top, sides and front of Z's head.

On the other hand, in my experience trying jury trials, as a rule of thumb, I never gave my best cases more than a 70% chance before jury selection - 80% after jury selection if that went well.

[Jim Eagle]

If we as a society can put up with the police state of NSA/IRS /EPA,

If we as a society are forced by our Judicial arm of our constitutional republic to accept socialized health care and same-sex marriage

If we as a society are told to accept the unmitigated infanticide of millions of babies

If we as a society are told that for the sake of our national security it is better we eliminate 12 army brigades and dozens of naval warships and air force squadrons

If we as a society are told that what you hear, read and see on the MSM is the reliable truth

If we as a society are told by our government to just accept this new adjustment in religious freedom guaranteed under the First amendment

If we a a society are told that illegal immigrants are here and the only way to figure out what to with them is make them full citizens

If we as a society are told that we are too hot, too dependent on coal and must change to unreliable renewables

::Then what makes us think the State can't find a way to lie, cheat and steal to convict an innocent man?

[Stephanie]

Question

When Jeanteal claims she just thought it was a fight so it wasn't all that important (which was why she said she didn't call the po-po cause according to 48 Hours the po-po gots to find her from the last call made) does that mean Trayvon often got in fights so she was used to it and figured it would be OK just like always?

Does this open the door to prior bad acts?

[narciso]

Well I used immolate loosely, the Earth after the Brainslug invasion, seems an apt comparison,

Rush was discussing what a full on travisham this DOMA decision was,

[MarkO]

Does that smarmy idiot get paid for these gems?

“I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man looked creepy. Creepy, white,” she said.

Several hours into her courtroom testimony , Toobin said “I haven’t heard anything that discredits her on cross examination for that part of the story because it certainly portrays Zimmerman as the aggressor in the confrontation between the two of them and that’s the issue in the whole case.”

[Account Deleted]

Could there be a more perfect match for President Obama's adopted son than Miss Jeantel? Trayvon was so lucky to have spent hours and hours of his final day in deep discussion with a person of her caliber. I wonder if they focused on literature or poetry or philosophy? Perhaps they discussed the probability of Trayvon following in his adopted father's footsteps, with Miss Jeantel daydreaming of one day filling the very ample shoes of the First Lady.

I picture BDLR laying back in a nice warm bath this evening, straight razor in hand, trying to remember the exact location of jugular veins and carotid arteries.

[MarkO]

I think that West would love to have her babble on in front of that jury for hour after hour.

[narciso]

Yes, but it could be considered a case of infliction of 'cruel and unusual punishment

[Patrick]

Hello, Patrick here. You may remember me and my comments from such trials as US v. Libby, after which I took a long oft regretted hiatus from JOM.

Anyway, I had the opportunity to see the live stream of the cross examination of Ms. Jeantel. There were two key moments as far as the evidence goes - First when she admitted that she had not thought carefully about her statement that was played at Crump's press conference and that she "rushed on it." It completely undercut the State's position that her early statements supported her testimony today. Second, today she testified that she heard Martin's voice. In her earlier statement, she was quite equivocal on that matter, and West impeached her quite effectively. Given the timing of the impeachment, he ended the day's testimony on that note, with the witness hostile, and with damaged credibility. On a less important but still interesting matter, the witness was quite hostile when she was told that she would have to return for further testimony tomorrow.

I thought she did well, more or less anyway when explaining her lie about being in the hospital instead of attending the wake. To me, her emotion appeared genuine, even if the explanation was more of an excuse for not attending the wake than lying about it.

Based on this witness, I think this was a good day for Zimmerman.

[henry]

Good news for Porch and her fellow Texans Rick Perry to schedule special session to pass the abortion bill. On the other hand, this may cause the left to go full Madison (at least UT is out for the summer, slightly fewer idiots at hand).

[NK]

Jeffrey Tobin? ... I won't even start. Just ask Jeff Greenfield.

[Extraneus]

I haven't seen any trial video, but people seem to think West did ok with DeeDee so far. I'd like to see jwest's opinion on that, since he's been pretty negative on West.

[NK]

Henry-- I assume the UT-Austin community is slightly less insane than UW-Madison... well by a degree anyway. But won't the Perry reaction be 'bring it on'! anyway?

PS: Drunken Dan Malloy flies the 'Gay Flag" in Hartford today. have another drink Danny, have another drink....

[Jim Eagle]

Well, if the MSM wants to make this about race then they will get their wish because what we are witnessing is how the race hustling industry is in full stride.

Jeantel is lucky, in that she is getting out of school before common core can complete the job Ayres and his crowd for "educational justice" started. I see a Harvard scholarship in her future.

[Stephanie]

Except Patrick, the tweets (deleted but all over the net) she tweeted during the time between the killing and through the day of the funeral show she was partying and getting high. Also, in her testimony today she sought to distance herself from her texts by claiming that not all of them from her phone were chestnut other friends which now opens the door to a text by text questioning which gets in those texts previously excluded, no?

[Captain Hate]

Zuckerberg will lose his dome last: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/good-news-behead-those-who-disrespect-our-prophet-pbuh-has-a-facebook-page.html

[Stephanie]

Jeantel is lucky, in that she is getting out of school before common core can complete the job Ayres and his crowd for "educational justice" started. I see a Harvard scholarship in her future.

She's 19 and he would be 18 which is odd cause she testified today that she and skittles met in the second grade. The moron herd says she is still finishing up high school and has only taken community courses at the community college. That's her " criminal justice" pursuit so far.

[Clarice]

"I picture BDLR laying back in a nice warm bath this evening, straight razor in hand, trying to remember the exact location of jugular veins and carotid arteries."

LOL,Rick. Such picturesque language.

[Jane -]

Nice to see you Patrick.

I've sort of lost interest in the trial but I saw a bit of the testimony today and my impression was the witness was very ghetto. That will certainly deviate from the image of St Trevon who spent the entire day talking to her... Unless of course he was trying to rehabilitate her in some way.

[pagar]

JiB @ 0615PM has summarized the situation very well. Thanks JiB

I hope everyone gets a chance to read it.

[Patrick]

Also, in her testimony today she sought to distance herself from her texts by claiming that not all of them from her phone were [hers]

Yeah, I heard that part - it was pretty good:

"some of those weren't even mine...Like two of them.""

West: "But there were hundreds of them, weren't there?"

Not her finest moment. As for the tweets, I am wholly ignorant of that issue. I followed Libby pretty closely (and continue to believe he got a raw deal), but haven't read much of this since last year. But, if she was tweeting that she was high around the time of the incident, that should certainly be relevant on the issue of how well she was able to perceive the events at the time. If she was using drugs at the time she had stated that she was in the hospital rather than the wake, then she may have problems, but not necessarily. She could open the door, and maybe already has.

[Clarice]

Hello, Patrick,

I saw the same snippet of the trial you did and agree completely.

Jane, My mom said people will judge you by your friends. I see what she meant. In any event, I must say only in America would someone so obviously barely literate be in any kind of college. (It took her about 15 minutes to read about 5 lines of transcript.)

[Rob Crawford]

I think giving the prosecution a 50% chance is a real stretch

Like I said: If the jury takes their duty seriously, it's acquittal. If they abide by the politics, it's conviction.

[Gmax]

Wendy Davis won a very temporary victory. Next session wont have the time pressure that this one had, and in Texas, you must continuously talk, no bathroom breaks or other nonsense. She is a disgusting harpy put into office by a disgusting gerrymander of the district and still barely elected, but she can not talk for more than a few hours and it will be over. The votes are there, it was just fortuitous that the House was a bit slow and it put the Senate in a bind. Dewhurst wont allow that to happen again.

All to preserve the right to terminate pregnancies AFTER 20 weeks of gestation. Democrats disgust me.

[Rob Crawford]

On the other hand, this may cause the left to go full Madison...

That worked so well the last time.

[Extraneus]

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/26/matthews-obama-phoning-the-prop-8-plaintiffs-today-was-like-nixon-phoning-the-astronauts/

lol

[Stephanie]

I think LI has links to the deleted tweets and gawker or TMZ has them, too. Fun reading if you like Ebonics meets textspeak meets single digit IQ.

And yes the tweets show she was drinking and smoking (with pics!!!) Her beverage of choice was some trashy brandy which doesn't stereotype her as ghetto at all. :eyeroll:

[Jane -]

She's in college?

No Way!

[Patrick]

I remember enough from the Libby trial days to know that if Clarice agrees with me, I must be on the right track.

[Rob Crawford]

Good news, everyone! Openly calling for people to be beheaded does NOT count as a "credible threat" under Facebook's rules!

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/good-news-behead-those-who-disrespect-our-prophet-pbuh-has-a-facebook-page.html

[Account Deleted]

Clarice,

BDLR has invested in drying her out to get today's high point performance from her. She expected to be able to toot it up tonight and another 16 hours could easily trigger the DTs or withdrawal.

What happens to the testimony of a witness who climbs up on a chair to get away from the giant cockroaches she sees all over the courtroom? Is it all struck or does day one remain on the record?

I hope West understands that he was questioning the "nice" Miss Jeantel today. I also hope they have a bailiff armed with a tranquilizer gun on standby.

[narciso]

I was worried there Rob, 'what do you mean our'

Remember Mrs. Local story re Gosnell:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2013/06/clear-eyes-full-heart-cant-stop-advocating-for-abortion/

[Extraneus]

Is there any better evidence for the effectiveness of Jihad, Rob? The UK will have to actually censor non-UK anti-Jihad websites now. (UK anti-Jihad websites aren't allowed.)

[Stephanie]

Rick, if I were the defense, I'd have someone following her ample azz overnight and on courtroom breaks.

Btw ain't no way she tips the scales at less than 375. I felt really sorry for her "[email protected] me" heels today as she exited. 6" and creaking under the weight.

[James D.]

"I picture BDLR laying back in a nice warm bath this evening, straight razor in hand, trying to remember the exact location of jugular veins and carotid arteries."

I can't think of a better fate for everyone involved in this prosecution.

[Thomas Collins]

Rick, Dee Dee may implode tomorrow, but not enough to complain out loud to Big Daddy Crump that she's had enough and she wants the goodies Big Daddy promised her for doing the deed for Trayvon.

[Extraneus]

Bill McCauley, an assistant district attorney, used the arraignment to start building his case.

McCauley said Hernandez's cell phone places him at an industrial park at 3:22 a.m., the morning of the June 17 killing. Hernandez was seen on surveillance video, and in the minutes he was out of sight, witnesses heard multiple shots, McCauley said.

Authorities located a .45-caliber casing in a dumpster and discarded Bubblicious gum that was traced back to the defendant, McCauley said. Hernandez shot the victim, Odin Lloyd, multiple times, drove home and discarded the weapon, McCauley charged. Another gun was found near the scene and the fingerprints matched Hernandez, the prosecutor said.

McCauley said the slaying stemmed from a night out at a Boston club called Rumor on June 14. He said Hernandez was upset about certain things, including that Lloyd, 27, had talked to some people Hernandez "had troubles with." The prosecutor did not elaborate.

McCauley said, on the night of June 16, Hernandez texted two friends from out of state and asked them to hurry back to Massachusetts.

Surveillance footage from Hernandez's home showed him leaving with a gun, and he told someone in the house that he was upset and couldn't trust anyone anymore, the prosecutor said.

The three men picked up Lloyd at his home around 2:30 a.m., according to authorities. As they drove around in their rented car, they discussed what happened at the nightclub, and Lloyd started getting nervous, McCauley said.

They say Lloyd text messaged a family member in the early morning hours of June 17 asking them if they saw who he was with before text messaging again "NFL." His final text message was "just so you know," MyFoxBoston.com reported.

Lloyd's family says he was dating the sister of Hernandez's fiancee. They say the two men were friends and were out together on the last night of Lloyd's life.

Hernandez "drove the victim to that remote spot, and then he orchestrated his execution," McCauley said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/26/former-new-england-patriot-aaron-hernandez-charged-with-murder/#ixzz2XMxJHhkz

Orchestrated?

[Stephanie]

Someone needs to do a Photoshop of her and Mooch. Loved her homage to the bangs. The Wookie and the Hut.

[Carol Herman]

What's with this BDLR thing? Builder?

As to Dee-Dee somebody get her to put up her hair. And, dressed her in black. So she'd be ready to be on TV.

How often in life do you get to be on TV?

[Chum that tuna]

Such respect for our courts and the legal system. One would think you dally with libertarianism.

[Captain Hate]

Here you go, narc:

It looks like everyone's favorite presidential campaign consultant guy Steve Schmidt has a new job... with the ACLU.

They've hired him (as well as the former Director/Founder of GoProud, Jimmy LaSalvia) to do outreach toward conservative groups for a campaign to bring down anti-same sex marriage laws.

Here's to hoping that his new job with the ACLU will be about as productive for them as his work with Republican presidential campaigns.

Posted by: junior at June 26, 2013 07:39 PM (UWFpX)

[narciso]

Ah, Dr. Evil, what Norma Desmond wasn't part of the package deal, 'Nicolle Wallace, for those without the Rosetta.

[Captain Hate]

That "outreach to conservative groups" should go well. I'd like to exchange words with him, for example.

[Thomas Collins]

Extraneus, "orchestrated" is no doubt what the other two in the Gang of Four are telling the prosecutors to plea to a lesser charge than murder. Of course, the fact that the other two are saying this to save their own skin doesn't mean that they are lying. Hernandez could very well have been the orchestrator.

[Account Deleted]

TC,

I don't have any idea whether Miss Jeantel's jones is alcohol or drugs but it sure appeared as if she was prepared for a Crump payday tonight, not tomorrow night. The prosecution might get the Ketamine dosage right this evening but West better be on his toes in case they miss the guess.

[Thomas Collins]

I think the Krafts and Belichick got lucky. With Hernandez being arraigned for murder less than a week and a half after the deed was done, it was clear they had to release Hernandez.

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

See my 5:49 post, Carol and try to keep up.

[Ignatz]

--DeeDee is a big lass and looks to weigh in somewhere north of 200 lbs.-

So then Trayvon was quite familiar with his position mounted atop a chubster banging away.

Add a little choom to the skittles and I bet he was surprised when DeeDee turned out to have a buzzcut and a 9mm.

[narciso]

So yeah, does 'orchestrated' mean the ballistics don't match,

[Thomas Collins]

Hernandez and Zimmerman are both charged with murder, and their cases couldn't be more different. Hernandez is pond scum even if he didn't pull the trigger, and Zimmerman is a fine man with i past actions indicating a racial justice bent who is being subject to a show trial by hustlers who put Tom Wolfe's Nathaniel Bacon character to shame.

I didn't mean to hurl such an insult at pond scum in the above paragraph.

[henry]

I din't know narciso, the report I saw mentioned at least 2 guns (one left at the scene somewhere plus the 45) -- or it could be classic press ignorance.

[Thomas Collins]

Narciso, even if the evidence is in the direction of Hernandez pulling the trigger, the other two need to make Hernandez out to be the ringleader to somehow explain their participating in the false imprisonment of the victim. Their story no doubt is that they didn't know Hernandez was going to pull the trigger; they just thought their man Aaron was going to have a talk with the victim.

[henry]

Branca's review is up at LI.

[Eric in Boise]

Loved her homage to the bangs. The wookie and the hut.

I dunno, I was thinking more along the lines of the progeny of Cynthia Mckinney and Moe Howard.

[MoodyBlu]

Ignatz,

Brilliant @ 8:08pm!

[Extraneus]

Is Hernandez a white Hispanic?

[Extraneus]

Er... Odin Lloyd was black.

What's with these white Hispanics, anyway?

[narciso]

A richard clarke, mining the crazy, so the Hasting's matter was a cyberattack, this is in
Volodya's wurlitzer, because as Venkman put it in a different context 'you never see that kind of behavior in a major appliance.

[narciso]

It would a classic faceoff, alas, not to be;

http://twitchy.com/2013/06/26/hell-roast-weiner-dana-perino-proposes-gutfeldformayor-hilarious-suggestions-for-campaign-platforms-ensue/

[NK]

Ultimate Narciso-speak at 8:34. I have no clue -- I could buy 8 vowels and still not have a clue.

[narciso]

Richard Clarke in RT, suggests Hastings was killed by a cyberattack on his car, that caused him to speed out of control, holy the Net, Batman.

[maryrose]

I enjoyed all the comments today.

[pagar]

O/T but there is another disaster coming up.

From LI/CI!

http://collegeinsurrection.com/2013/06/student-facing-jail-time-for-nra-t-shirt-issued-gag-order/

"Charlo Greene, on behalf of WOWK and the free press, prepared a petition to intervene for the gag order hearing but before Charlo could present her argument or even deliver her petition to the court clerk, she was thrown out of the Logan County Courthouse, twice, by a bailiff, who said the judge presiding over Jared’s case, Eric O’Briant requested it. Charlo was then threatened with arrest and the same charge that Jared is currently on trial for, obstructing an officer."

[narciso]

I saw you beat me to the Gutfeld for Mayor boomlet, Clarice,

[NK]

Narc-- a translation, I'm touched. One further question.. what is R/T?