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June 28, 2013

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Danube on iPad

Ext., does your wife know my acquaintance Rosalee Calhoun, who is an umpty-great granddaughter?

OldTimer

A big chunk of Barry's hate is the white middle class. Decimate this section of society and the ruling elites of both parties are home free. Sarah Palin understands this all too well. Prepare for the MSM onslaught...she's getting louder and making too much sense:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/25/Palin-Defend-American-Workers

narciso

I stand corrected, Clarice, my fishwrap of course, made the dubious assertion that both sides benefited from Jeantel's testimony, Vizzini shook his head.

Clarice

From defense counsel Branca blogging at Legal Insurrection about Good: "The State seems to have suffered the most destructive of its own witnesses to date in calling John Good to the stand.Good was composed, coherent, and direct through his extensive testimony, the entirety of which was entirely consistent with the defense’s theory of lawful self-defense.

Indeed, as has become the pattern in this trial, the longer the State’s witness was in the stand, the more damage he did to the State’s theory of the case. The continually growing climax was realized at the very end of the testimony, when O’Mara held a copy of Good’s initial statement to then-lead Investigator Chris Serino (a transcript of is provided below):"

centralcal

narciso - listen to Clarice, because she is 100% correct. Good was a prosecution witness.

This whole trial is really surreal.

bunkerbuster

Riddle me this, denialists: How on earth is it a victory for the defense when Good was FORCED to admit that HE NEVER SAW MARTIN THROW A PUNCH?
If he didn't see that, where does all the MMA-style, ground and pound stuff come from?
Pretty obvious it all comes straight from Good's imagination and then shamelessly hyped and repeated by O'Mara. Talk about malpractice!

centralcal

Funny thing, too, about Good. He was very relaxed with BDLR in his testimony. Much more "edgy" and terse, when cross examined by O'Mara. The L.I. twitter feed mentions it - how he was a little combative with the Z defense team.

I figure, ALL the witnesses are worried and fearful about racial repercussions. They KNOW who did what, when, and where, but damned if they want to be subjected to hateful threats or violent reactions if the outcome of this trial is an acquittal.

Pretty scary stuff, that one has to be cognizant of at all times in this current climate.

MarkO

It would be prejudicial and violate the rule against bolstering.

Bruce Hayden

Sorry if this gets double posted.


Clarice - don:'t think that we are in disagreement when it comes to it not being manslaughter if there is a credible claim of self defense (and I think the the police testimony today may be sufficient evidence to raise the issue, and, thus require that it be overcome beyond a reasonable doubt).

Danube - yes, it appears that lesser included charges are automatically available if requested by the prosecution in jury instructions in Florida. Which I understand it means that the jury instructions read something like:
If you find x, y, and z (beyond a reasonable doubt), then 2nd degree murder;
Else if you find y and z, then manslaughter;
Else if you find z, then assault with a deadly weapon.
(Don't know exactly how self defense instruction fits in there).

Florida standard criminal jury instructions. In particular, note:
3.4 When there are lesser included charges
3.6(f) Justifiable use of deadly force
7.1 Introduction to homicide
7.4 Murder - Second degree
7.7 Manslaughter
33 Schedule of lesser included offenses (also see bottom of 7.4)

Clarice

He was scared. He originally wanted to testify from behind a screen and remain anonymous. That's how outrageous this lynch mobbery is..and don't forget Holder's DOJ did as much to stoke the flames as anyone so who will stop the mob? The governor? HEH

Extraneus

does your wife know my acquaintance Rosalee Calhoun

Apparently not, DoT, but she does think my postings of John C's pics here are funny. (It's a distant relation.)

narciso

It's been like every other day, ending in y, since Aug 29th of 2008, OT, note the flying monkeys in the comment section

Danube on iPad

"Good was FORCED to admit that HE NEVER SAW MARTIN THROW A PUNCH?"

"Forced?" "Admit?" Those are not words that sensible people use when discussing a prosecutor's examination of his own witness.

There will be photographic evidence of the injuries to Zimmerman's face and head. (At this point it would not surprise me if the prosecution introduced it.)

narciso

Had the Daily Caller not turned up the original police station tape, they would have continued with the charade that there were no injuries.

MarkO

It truly was a "dark and stormy" night, exactly the maelstrom of weather that gives thieves cover and raises reasonable suspicion about someone slinking around in it.

It would have been difficult to see punches land, but the motions that result in punches were clearly seen.

Fiddler on the hoof

This is fly-paper for racism. Time to change the roll.

Ignatz

--Riddle me this, denialists: How on earth is it a victory for the defense when Good was FORCED to admit that HE NEVER SAW MARTIN THROW A PUNCH?
If he didn't see that, where does all the MMA-style, ground and pound stuff come from?
Pretty obvious it all comes straight from Good's imagination........-

Here is what he said:

O’Mara: OK. And do you stand by that today, that what you saw is was a Ground-and-Pound event?

Good: It looked like that position was a Ground-and-Pound type of position, but I couldn’t tell 100% that there were actually fists hitting faces.

O’Mara: But you did see [reading] “the guy in the top in the black hoodie pretty much just throwing down blows on the guy kind of MMA-style.”

Good: Meaning arm motions going down on the person on the bottom. Correct.

O’Mara: You’re’ not going to tell the jury here today that you saw fists hit flesh or face if you didn’t actually see it, right?

Good: I wouldn’t tell them that anyway, because i didn’t actually see it.

O’Mara: Great, thanks very much , no further questions.

He was merely stating that it was too dark to see the actual contact. He very clearly states he saw Trayvon "just throwing down blows" MMA style.
Does that equate even in your tiny brain with HE NEVER SAW MARTIN THROW A PUNCH?
You're close to topping yourself with that one dope.

Jane -

This whole trial is really surreal.

Turn into MSNBC and CNN. They think the prosecution is nailing it. (Ginning up the race war when they lose.)

Gus

ButtBuster retarded as usual.
Good described Skittles on top throwing punches.

narciso

Even Dubois wept.

Danube on iPad

"This is fly-paper for racism."

What would we do without the PC scolds to monitor us for racism?

It is a certainty, in PC world, that any scrutiny of a prosecution case can be motivated by nothing other than racism when the victim is black. If the victim is white and the accused is black, of course, every prosecution move is sheer creepy-ass cracker racism of the baldest kind (see, e.g., Mumia. See, also, Hurricane Carter.)

The Left professes to want an honest conversation about race. But they can never engage in any conversation on the subject without leveling the racism charge. And they wonder why we mock them so.

Ignatz

Possibly linked before but the guy who claimed to have Mitt's taxes and demanded $1 million to not release them has been indicted on extortion and mail fraud charges.

Captain Hate

(Ginning up the race war when they lose.)

What is the reaction of the law abiding Hispanic community on this whole fiasco? For all the blah blah that the four Repuke stooges in the Senate have given us, there have to be some non La Raza types that are furious over the treatment of somebody who has been railroaded by race hustlers and gutless pols.

peter --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...

BB beclowns himself.

narciso

Surprisingly, few on the ground, Captain, groundhogs are more active during the winter.
the word 'vigilante' comes out too often in usual parlance, as if this hadn't been his job.

Danube on iPad

"Maybe Fox will hire Paula Deen as a white-power commentator"

There's no white-power commentator quite like an Obama-supporting white-power commentator, is there?

At Fox Deen would surely be welcomed by Alan Colmes, Kristen Powers, Juan Williams, Shemp Smith, Mara Liason and etc., wouldn't she?

Jane -

Possibly linked before but the guy who claimed to have Mitt's taxes and demanded $1 million to not release them has been indicted on extortion and mail fraud charges.

Now that just makes my heart sing.

I wouldn't put Kirsten Powers in that group Dot. I think she is a very honest liberal, and as such, good to hear from.

Captain Hate

Well narc, maybe they're all "in the shadows".

Ignatz

Just to keep anyone from searching fruitlessly, that stoneheaded bubu quote about Paula Deen that DoT references at 8:26 was from a previous thread.

Captain Hate

I figured that was the source of something so obviously stupid; he must be flailing around like a ninny since his fantasy of forced violent Hispanic manlove is looking as non-existent as that great JEF economy.

Danube on iPad

I'm having such fun with them, Iggy, that I even import them from threads that have slowed down.

Danube on iPad

Strike Kirsten Powers, insert Bob Beckel

boatbuilder

DoT-I don't see how "prejudicial" would be a basis to keep it out. Prejudicial to who? Trayvon Martin is not a party; this is the State vs. George Zimmerman; the State has charged George Zimmerman with a crime and Zimmerman is entitled to evidence which may raise "reasonable doubt" as to his guilt. The State opened that door and it would be prejudicial to Zimmerman not to allow him to raise doubts about the State's inference that the accused (Zimmerman) was the aggressor. Is the Prosecution going to argue that they put that evidence in to benefit Zimmerman?

narciso

It seems the truth is prejudicial, in this case, boatbuilder, that's why it's introduced in small doses.

Ignatz

--I'm having such fun with them, Iggy, that I even import them from threads that have slowed down.--

LOL.
The curious thing about Buub is he writes relatively cogently and clearly, indicating at least average intelligence but routinely includes such gawdawful, improbably stupid floaters that it's hard to feature DeeDee the Hut saying something so clothheaded and contrary to known facts.

I still occasionally wonder if some regular here is playing an elaborate hoax by creating such an insipid dolt.

narciso

OT, it hadn't occurred to me, until I saw the map in the journal, that Snowden could just cross over to the Ecuadorian embassy in Moscow, if he wished to.

Jane -

Strike Kirsten Powers, insert Bob Beckel

That I agree with. What I find so ridiculous about Beckel and Colmes et. al. is how incredibly uninformed of the facts they are.

jimmyk

"Forced?" "Admit?" Those are not words that sensible people use when discussing a prosecutor's examination of his own witness.

I think it was O'Mara who asked the question. I thought he was just clarifying preemptively, to keep the prosecution from asking the same question and making the witness seem less credible. As it was, it enhanced Good's credibility, which ought to doom the prosecution's case.

I do fear that much will hinge on the judge's instructions to the jury, and don't have a lot of confidence in that, though slanted instructions would presumably be strong grounds for appeal.

Clarice

They're just there to provide shill balnce, Jane. Half of TV "debates' are just idiots screaming opposite talking points at each other wth no real research into the issues at all.

Danube on iPad

That dude is about to discover that you really haven't had a life before the moment you are indicted by a federal grand jury. Whatever he may have done before that moment--the highs, the lows, the births, deaths and marriages--are now as nothing. He will spend not a moment thinking about them. His mind will now be concentrated most wonderfully on one single thing for the foreseeable future.

There is no joy in his wikiup.

Gus

If Paula Dean went to FOX, wouldn't she have to move to HYMIE town???

Captain Hate

Half of TV "debates' are just idiots screaming opposite talking points at each other wth no real research into the issues at all.

That's as good a summary of the McLaughlin Group as I've heard.

Captain Hate

Somebody @ AoS said Deen's fans are buying her products as fast as they hit the shelves. I figured there'd be some backlash and that she'll do fine once the storm abates.

Account Deleted

jimmyk,

The Florida Supreme Court thoughtfully provides Standard Jury Instructions which the judge would ignore at her peril.

The problem I see is it only takes one troofer to hang the jury and there's one juror who isn't paying much attention. If she ignores the instructions on justifiable homicide and refuses to acquit on the manslaughter charge (second degree just ain't gonna happen), then Scott, Biondi and Corey will have to decide whether to retry the case.

bgates

Busty Bubu, Ace Prosecutor: "So all you saw was the victim straddling the defendant, swinging his arms in the fashion of a cage fighter beating his opponent into unconsciousness?"

Witness Ostensibly for the Prosecution: "Yep."

BBAP: "And so we're clear, the defendant is the man sitting over there, and also the man pictured in this series of photographs with severe bruising and swelling on his face and lacerations on the back of his head that he sustained somehow?"

WOftP: "Uh, yeah."

BBAP: "But you never saw the victim make contact with the defendant, did you?"
(gasps through the courtroom)

WOftP: "What, you mean other than sitting on top of him?"

BBAP: "Well, yes, obviously. Besides that."

WOftP: "Well...no."
(gasps through the courtroom)
WOftP: "I mean, his back was to me. And I couldn't see the defendant's face, because the other guy was on top of him. So all I could see was the guy's arms swinging in an arc that, if they continued a fraction of a degree along the same paths once his fists left my line of sight, would have brought them into contact with the defendant's face. Repeatedly. But I never saw the actual contact, no."
(gasps through the courtroom)

BBAP: "No further questions! Your honor, as the famous Shakespeare Shylock Holmes once wrote, the victim's right to swing his fist ends where the defendants nose begins - and we have no irrefutable proof that the victim's fist went any further than he had a right to swing it. I move at this time the case be dismissed!"
(silence, puzzled looks through the courtroom)
BBAP: "I mean the other thing. Guilty. Guilty! Hang him! Burn the witch!"

narciso

Thst would be a poser, Rick, wouldn't that occasion 'disturbances' as well.

bgates

It's no surprise bubu has trouble comprehending the normal relationship between throwing punches and hitting something; he's been throwing them on here for years, and has yet to land a one.

Fiddler on the hoof

" And they wonder why we mock them so"

Not sure if you see the same posts as I, but there seems to be more than a sprinkling of pork rinds and Colt 45 across numerous threads.

I'm not sure those you seem to be speaking for, are speaking for you or not?

bgates

Strike Kirsten Powers, insert Bob Beckel

"Fox Host S&M Twister".

narciso

I was wondering what you thought off this off braodway performance of 'Holy Grail,' with Bernie Del La Ronda as the 'Black Knight' it's just a flesh wound, although it goes Peckinpah real fast.

Gmax

Fat, drunk and ignorant is no way to go through life. Originally I was thinking about how the professor in Animal House was speaking to Dee Dee. But after giving it some thought, I am pretty sure it should be more properly directed at Butt Buster...

She is is black and has no real family support system. What exactly is bunky's excuse?

Danube on iPad

"I don't see how'"prejudicial' would be a basis to keep it out."

In this case, it would be prejudicial to the state's case. Of course, all the evidence that your opponent wants to put in is prejudicial to your case. So the test--and it's pretty universal across the states and in the federal rules--is whether the probative value outweighs the prejudice (meaning inflammatory prejudice). Not a very bright line at all, and hard to predict the outcome in many instances.

Gus

All the wacko LEFTARD talking heads are going to explode when Whitey walks.

Gmax

Rasmussen reveals exactly how insane Democrats are:

[A]mong those who approve of the president’s job performance, just 29% see radical Muslims as the bigger threat. Twenty-six percent (26%) say it’s the Tea Party that concerns them most. Among those who Strongly Approve of the president, more fear the Tea Party than radical Muslims.

I give you exhibit A, butt buster without further adieu.

Clarice

DoT, since the jusge allowed the med tech to testify that her notes showed G had studied MMA, I think tit would be more prejudicial to keep out the TM fight videos--It would leave the jury who heard from Good that it looked like a MMA fight the impression that only GZ had MMA training.

narciso

I saw that earlier in the week, Gmax, then again it's marginally lower then the one third, who were 9/11 denialists, of varying stripes in the mid 00s, in the IDemocratic party.

Speaking of other travismockasham's, D-Dawg indictment follows the Amalgamated Local of Lone Wolves model, excising older brothers sojourn to
Dagestan,

rich@gmu

Iggy-

I still occasionally wonder if some regular here is playing an elaborate hoax by creating such an insipid dolt.

Pretty sure it is his true beliefs. Found only a few hits on "identity conservative" at google-a weird verbal tick. Sadly, it hasn't been picked up and spread far and wide, and he could take all the credit! Hope he starts up his own blog.

Fiddler on the hoof

Dagastan tastes like Chechen if I'm not mistaken.

g'nite

Account Deleted

"wouldn't that occasion disturbances' as well."

Narciso,

Dunno. Maybe we'll have flying pig day and BOzo or the POSAG will pour oil on troubled waters rather than gasoline on a brush fire. I feel gravely indifferent to anything which may occur on the Plantations but I have great sympathy for blacks who have escaped to the 'burbs from Blue Hells. I wouldn't want to be driving home to the 'burbs with a Plantaion lighting the night sky in the rear view mirror. BOzo's huge success in driving up gun and ammo sales may become very obvious.

narciso

Well i'm a little less sanguine, maybe because I happen to live too confortably close to the bonfire,

Gmax

buy ammo, if you can find it...

Jane -

Brett Baier (or however you spell it) is doing his 3rd special on Benghazi at 10:00 tonite. He says there is lots of new info revealed in closed session this week.

I find it ridiculous that so many people are making excuses for Dee Dee. "It's not her fault that she is dumb as a plug and can't form a sentence."

Yes it is. Stop giving sentient human beings a pass. She certainly could aspire to learn her native language - and since she was born in Miami, that would be English.

There is always a choice in this world, regardless of how difficult it is.

Carol Herman

And, Monday Morning, July 1st, gets an early start. 8:30 AM. So O'Mara can discuss some evidence he wants brought in. (Which BLDR had to say yes, to.) So, the judge moved to give the lawyers an extra half hour. Before the jury comes in.

We're still in the prosecutor's case.

One this rests, why can't O'Mara subpeona the clerk at the 9/11. And, to bring in the picture of trayvon "shopping in the rain?" Trayvon really is over 6 feet tall.

Oh, today's testimony ended with Zimmerman's physician's assistant telling the world he's constipated. And, that he also worked out doing an aerobic exercise. But she said it was MMA. I'm really glad we have such a sanctity over medical records.

But, of course, the judge is incompetent. And, a physician's assistant isn't a doctor.

Gmax

State Senator Wendy Davis superstar of the murder 5 month old unborn children pack, admits her stunt is unlikely to work a 2nd time. Polls show support for ban on abortions at 20 weeks in Texas in the mid 60%s. Its going to pass into law, and the only one swooning over the nasty bitch Davis and the same one casting about for an excuse for DEE DEE on the stand...

narciso

I wonder if the release of Al Shibli, will be one of them, I really do wonder what was happening in the spring and summer of 2012, in the Libyan desert, because it didn't have much effect.


Gmax

last "and" should be "are".


Sheesh

Danube on iPad

"Not sure if you see the same posts as I, but there seems to be more than a sprinkling of pork rinds and Colt 45 across numerous threads. I'm not sure those you seem to be speaking for, are speaking for you or not?"

Imagine testing any of those propositions.

When a PC monitor is questioned, the whiff of pork rinds and Colt 45 is sure to be in the air. How else explain such questioning?

Danube on iPad

"I still occasionally wonder if some regular here is playing an elaborate hoax by creating such an insipid dolt."

Busted.

matt

Sunday are the big protests in Egypt. My friends over there think the government may fall and the army step in. There is a tremendous amount of fear and anger at the MB.

The fact is that the MB have the rural vote. It's going to get messy.

Clarice

I always have assumed the point would come--and rather quickly==when the people would beg for another military takeover.
Egypt's out of food. It's one income producing industry tourism is dead--killed by the MB. The pMB is killing the Copts and the Shias and nobody likes anybody very much. Stupid people --unfit to rule themselves.

Account Deleted

"There is always a choice in this world, regardless of how difficult it is."

Jane,

At -2SD there are no informed choices. I won't use the correct words to describe the Martin's, Crump and BDLR decision to put a very mentally challenged woman, incapable of truly distinguishing right from wrong, on the stand. I knew she was very intellectually limited from the start and her coping mechanisms are pathetic but none of that is the result of any choice she is even capable of making.

narciso

Does Tadrous have any news, on events over there.

Clarice

He posts on FB but largely in Arabic so I can't understand what he's posting. His last post in English indicated all was lost.

Clarice

Exactly, Rick. Crump and the prosecutors ought to be ashamed of the way they manipulated and used Jeantel.

Gus

Jane, the LIBTARD LEFT cares deeply about DEE DEE. They care so much that they don't want to criticize her for being vulgar profane, gigantic, illiterate or dishonest. They just pat the nice NEGRO GIRL on the head, and that makes them morally superior.

Jane on Ipad hi there NSA

People are all equal and should be treated as such. Period . That goes for Dee Dee, Trayvon and everyone else. Period.

narciso

Does no one do any advance work in this administration, rhetorical question;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/10148682/Did-Barack-Obama-pick-the-wrong-venue-for-anti-slavery-speech.html

Eric in Boise

stupid people - unfit to rule themselves

With every passing day, I become more afraid that that will be our epitaph as well.

Annoying Old Guy

I will note again that since the MB has the rural vote and support, why do they care if the people in the cities starve or flee? Year Zero, Egyptian Style.

Captain Hate

Does no one do any advance work in this administration, rhetorical question

I thought we established 5 years ago that when the smartest person ever gets a thought in his empty head there is no dissuading him from doing it.

Captain Hate

Dear God, narc, I'd nearly forgotten what it was like to read something by journalists that aren't fawning toadies

Yet as the president toured the 18th century building and later spoke of how the visit had allowed him to "fully appreciate the magnitude of the slave trade", historians pointed out that it was probably never used for that purpose at all.

Pictures on Thursday showed Mr Obama standing with his wife Michelle at Gorée's so-called Door of No Return, a dark passageway from where the fort's human cargo is said to have been loaded via gangplanks onto ships.

However, despite the claims that millions of slaves passed through the door, its most likely use is now thought to have been for disposing of rubbish. Likewise, the waters it overlooks are too rocky and shallow for a slave ship to have used it as a loading bay.

"There are literally no historians who believe the Slave House is what they're claiming it to be, or that believe Goree was statistically significant in terms of the slave trade," said Ralph Austen, a professor at the University of Chicago who has researched the subject.

Columbia should be so embarrassed to have passed such an uncurious clueless dolt along; maybe they're withholding the transcripts to protect themselves.

MarkO

"none of that is the result of any choice she is even capable of making."

Then, as a matter of law, she was incompetent to testify and should never have uttered a word. She has choices. Her decisions are poor.

narciso

It's as nearly as genuine a marker as Ron Karenga's contribution, I recall that Clinton, what did Toni Morrison call him, did a similar tour 16 years ago;


http://www.h-net.org/~africa/threads/goree.html

narciso

Oh, really now they tell us,

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/6/28/154919/856/crimenews/Martin-Family-Attorneys-Now-Say-Case-Not-About-Race

Captain Hate

I can't imagine a better picture setting for him and Mooch than at the doorway of a place that was used for disposing rubbish.

Danube on iPad

"Likewise, the waters it overlooks are too rocky and shallow for a slave ship to have used it as a loading bay."

And think how shallow they must have been before the oceans began to rise.

willem

Both Day 3 and Day 4, "Dee-Dee" testified to something stunning. Most all seem to have missed what may be the biggest bomb exposed and left ticking by a prosecution witness.

When clarification was sought from Dee-Dee about Travon's use of the term "Creepy ass cracker" seeking to learn just exactly what the term meant, Dee-Dee testified: "Perv. It meant he was a perv. A perv."

Sorting the idioms involved, it seems clear that Dee-Dee testified that Travon told her that he was being stalked by a pervert; that he was being followed by someone Travon believed was looking for sex, as this was the street meaning of Travon describing ZImmerman as a "creepy ass cracker."

Zimmerman's counsel reacted as if Dee-Dee was trying to insult Zimmerman and ignored it. But that does not change the fact of what Dee-Dee testified to under oath. This part of her testimony shines a light on Travon's state of mind when he confronted Zimmerman. It also runs to motive in two ways: why he did not just go home; why he pounced on Zimmerman with such unexpected fury.

All Travon had to do was go home; from his front porch or door tell the trailing security person that he lived there. But according to Dee-Dee's testimony, Travon in street idiom described Zimmerman as a "perv" who was trailing him, the implication was Travon believed Z had a sexual interest in Travon and that is why he stalked Travon.

Of course Zimmerman had no such interest. Zimmerman had no reason to expect Travon would attribute sexual motives to Z's continuing observation of Travon.

But this provides a persuasive candidate explanation of why Travon didn't just go home. It seems reasonable that a street kid believing that he was being stalked by a "perv" would NOT want the creepy ass cracker to know exactly where he lived. It he otherwise believed the stalker to be security, revealing where he lived provided complete vindication of being suspected of wrong doing. But Travon said what he said to Dee-Dee, and his actions of that night reinforce Dee-Dee's testimony that Travon thought he was being sexually stalked.

There is also the matter of the exploding escalation of violence when Z and Travon met. Zimmerman was caught completely by surprise. It's apparent from the testimony that Travon attacked Z with a enraged fury. Why? Just being followed by security triggers that kind of rage? No. There was something else. Dee-Dee told us what Travon said it was.

Time to listen more closely to Dee-Dee. The truth bomb she laid in her testimony is still there, ticking. In her guilt may lurk her recollection of teasing Travon about being followed by some creepy ass cracker that would not go away.

And the fact is, Travon would not go home. He would not let the stalker see where he lived. Perhaps he felt he could not. Perhaps he felt he could not chance letting "the perv" know where he lived, so instead Travon, wrongly convinced of Z's sexual intentions, confronted him and exploded into a violent rage.

Implausible? Not from Dee-Dee's testimony. Travon was convinced he was being followed by a creepy ass cracker. In translating the idiom for the Defense, Dee-Dee was absolutely clear in her testimony about Travon's intended meaning of "creepy ass cracker."

No one seems to have asked what motive Travon had to attack Zimmerman. I think Dee-Dee told us what it was in quite specific terms.

What was supposed to be a hate crime about race may instead be a hate crime committed in reprisal for misperceived predatory homosexual stalking. We will likely see more evidence about how Zimmerman was completely caught off guard by the exploding rage of Travon's attack; the unexpected intensity of escalation.

The building evidence appears to point to a hate crime arrested by a gunshot rather than a hate crime committed by one.

We need to give a closer look at what Dee-Dee was telling us about what Travon told her; that Travon told her he was being stalked by "a perv" with an apparent sexual intentions toward him.

Poor Zimmerman never knew what hit him. Poor Travon's paranoia led to a mistaken rage that cost him his life.

Carol Herman

Given that I don't think Dee-Dee is dumb; what if she's at home thinking about her ordeal as a witness. And, probably knowing she's gonna get called back, again.

The prosecutors are white attorneys. Trayvon Martin's parents didn't want to make eye contact with her when she was on the stand. (And, only she knows for sure, that TM probably had her on the phone because he was telling her he wanted to fight "the white ass cracker.")

Is she aware that her "mumble code" could be broken? I don't see her becoming much of a witness ahead for anybody. And, isn't she smart enough to stay out of trouble?

Don West would have to break down the "code." Words that could mean TM was telling her about the fight, ahead. And, yes. There'd be all sorts of objections if she were asked about TM calling her during prior street (fight) encounters. He liked having her as an audience.

You know, I don't think it makes sense calling her back as a witness. But that's just my opinion.

Can this case turn out to be pivotal? Certain elements could end up in law schools. Especially, the knock-knock joke. Which I actually think is brilliant.

If the outcome leads to acquittal, no harm. No foul. But if the women jurors convict? that joke will speak volumes.

Why couldn't there have been a better judge? Females in charge of a farce.

jimmyk

And the fact is, Travon would not go home. He would not let the stalker see where he lived. Perhaps he felt he could not.

That's a bit of a stretch, willem. I'm pretty sure Trayvon eluded GZ and was out of his sight. He could have gone home and GZ would have had no idea where he went. Instead he saw an opportunity to play a little "knockdown."

Frau Schreibfaul

CBS News today: Common Core has killed cursive. Dee Dee is the face of the future.

Joan

Frau 4:01, I doubt that Dee Dee plans to work -- lot of good government assistance out there. Why work?

rich@gmu

DoT-

Say it ain't so? I'd be crushed I was fooled.

narciso

I didn't know you had been in the service, Rich, if I understood the colocquoy at the Horde.

Joan

Frau: I was/am way behind on the comments.
and,
the face of the future is frightening.

It's as if 50% of the people in the US have come here from another planet or maybe Lenin's Russia. The way they think, their outlook on what is good ... simply is foreign.

rich@gmu

yea, was in for 4 then 2 in the reserves.

was sitting in one of my classes, and in a damn I'm too old for this moment, figured that I was through my first year of the army when half the class was born.

Captain Hate

Mark Levin's podcast from last night concentrates on the MFM's obsession with the Zimmerman case and Paula Deen.

PDinDetroit

On the Firearm Forums I belong to, we had many a heated discussion on this case. It is interesting to watch now that the evidence is coming out that those who were once against GZ are now for him and think no charges should have even been filed, let alone this farce of a trial.

jwest

After catching up with the comments, I'm surprised there wasn't more discussion of what I viewed as Good's (second) biggest accomplishment.

Good established that Trayvon was on top with MMA movements of his arms at the same moments as the screams for help were occuring. Although he couldn't testify that he saw Zimmerman doing the screaming, he asserted that logic and common sense demanded that conclusion.

Any hope the State had to go after a lesser charge of manslaughter dissolved with establishing Zimmerman was the one screaming. No person could question that the screamer thought he was in danger of losing his life.

anonamom

Frau, cursive is safe in NC. Our folks in Raleigh passed a law requiring that it be taught a few weeks ago.

Things very dim in Michigan. I drove with ease on near empty three and four lane highways through Flint and Bay City during what used to be rush hour traffic. Only saw one semi on the thirty mile stretch between Flint and Saginaw on I-75.
Sad beyond words.
Great job, UAW and Dems. (or are they one officially?)

bunkerbuster

Let's roll that tape again:

O’Mara: OK. And do you stand by that today, that what you saw is was a Ground-and-Pound event?

This is EXACTLY what Good DIDN'T see. He saw arms flailing. He saw Martin atop Zimmerman. He didn't see "ground" and he didn't see "pound." He saw a "ground and pound" position, but that's not what Martin is accused of. He is accused of beating Zimmerman and, so far, we don't have a witness who will say they saw that happening.

This is why O'Mara says ``ground and pound event.'' He knows Good won't say it because he knows Good didn't see "ground and pound." He saw arms flailing. He saw Martin on top. That's it.

How would it look if Zimmerman and Martin were struggling for control of the firearm? Would Martin be on top? Sure, why not. Would arms be flailing? Certainly. Would Martin be grounding and pounding? No, he wouldn't but Good admits he never saw that. He didn't see Martin hitting Zimmerman.
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Good: It looked like that position was a Ground-and-Pound type of position, but I couldn’t tell 100% that there were actually fists hitting faces.

A real shame Bernie didn't ask for a percent there. It seems to me that anytime a witness says they are not sure 100 percent, you'd want them to explain in full detail why they can't get to 100 percent and then to give a percentage. 60 percent? 50 percent? Or can we just say you're not sure what you saw?

O’Mara: But you did see [reading] “the guy in the top in the black hoodie pretty much just throwing down blows on the guy kind of MMA-style.”

``pretty much just'' ... "kind of'' -- Bernie should have asked him to repeat those phrase and explain what they mean. Does pretty much mean, "not exactly"? How about "kind of"? Was good trying to clarify that he wasn't certain about what he was seeing? Seems obvious he was. Indeed, he says straight up, he wasn't sure what he saw.

Good: Meaning arm motions going down on the person on the bottom. Correct.

O’Mara: You’re’ not going to tell the jury here today that you saw fists hit flesh or face if you didn’t actually see it, right?

Rhetorical questions. WTF??! How tawdry. Truly low-brow tactics. If the witness actually had what the defense wanted, why resort to such BS tactics? Why not just ask him straight out: what, exactly did you see that night? But O'Mara is smart enough not to ask that, because he knows the answer is: I didn't see Martin hitting Zimmerman.


Good: I wouldn’t tell them that anyway, because i didn’t actually see it.

Pretty sure Bernie's going to hit on that very hard to the jury...eventually. Good's money quote is "I didn't actually see it." And the fact that O'Mara resorted to rhetorical questions and repeated mischaracterizations of what Good actually said, only deepens the wound.

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