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June 27, 2013

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jwest

Apparently there is a similar trial happening somewhere that MSNBC is covering, however, the witness there is credible.

I just caught a few minutes of the lawyer commentary during a break and couldn't believe their take on this.

rse

OL-I think DD is Exhibit A that the idea of moving away from print literacy to make using technology and relying on visuals "just as good" is going to work as poorly as I have been screaming.

Most of the FL ed schools I have looked at expressly require reading be taught via whole words or syllables.

I was off writing and am stepping up the descriptions of the intl efforts these ed reforms are a part of. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/descending-to-a-connected-kleptocracy-via-the-digital-learning-and-climate-change-ruses/

With specimens like DD to show for OBE style state and urban ed reforms, it really will be the eclipse of the UK and US Michael Barber's report predicted.

By the way, talk about being on a foreign server. That report was the only thing in English or using our alphabet at all.

Patrick

Tape played, she either said "I couldn't hear Trayvon," or "I coulda hear Trayvon." The syntax would suggest the first, but given this witness, I wouldn't rely on that. Interesting that the interchange begins with her saying she could only hear a little, but after some leading by BDLR, she could hear it clear.

Jane

Helen,

I don't know if it is "normal" but if a Judge thought a lawyer was playing for time, or asking for a ruling on an issue she had already ruled on, she might do it. I wasn't watching, but I'm not shocked by it.

As a lurker, I'm sure you know dudu is a troll.It would be great if you continued to post, and he went into lurk mode.

Clarice

rse, In my experience, long before the modern excresences, public education in Fla has been awful.The state has no income tax; it spends a great deal on the elderly and there's little money left for education even assuming they knew how to educate.

Ignatz

-If you're too dumb and uneducated to know the answer to such a trivial question then you don't need to commenting on a political/current events group.--

Yeah, once you've watched your PD defending a few of your DUIs, domestic battery and contributing to the delinquency of a minor charges like WeeDavey has then you can comment authoritatively.

BTW what is the answer to her question Davey Boy?

Stephanie

Can you tell me how wet grass sounds?

Priceless

MarkO

Yes, Happy birthday, Janet.

narciso

Possibly, Clarice, but the magic beans that Neil gave to Jeb, haven't helped things.

matt

HB Janet!

By the way, Ecuador has renounced it's trade advantages with the United States because of "undue pressure". I'm sure that will work out well for Juan Q. Publico.

Beautiful country, but they have been plagued with politicians and crooks.

MarkO

She was coached last night. We just don't know who did it. Maybe someone on the phone with Crump.

I found this at Talk Left. As you read it, ask yourself if this is the sort of thing that would be done by someone planning on killing an innocent boy.

here is the transcript from shortly before Sean says we don't need you to do that.

1:54:26 - Okay, it's on the left-hand side from the clubhouse?
1:57:62 - No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left. Uh, yeah, you go straight in, don't turn and make a left - [2:06:89] sh*t, he's running. [in real time this is at 7:11:41 PM].
2:08:82 - He's running? Which way is he running? [truck door opens, door open chime/alarm]
2:10:24 - Uh [grunts while exiting truck] down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood [door closes].
2:14:33 - Okay and which entrance is that he's heading towards?
2:17:17 - The back entrance [splashes through puddled water in gutter/wind noise]. F*cking punks! [or 'pud'ls'].
2:22:79 - Are you following him?
2:24:98 - Yeah.
2:25:20 - Okay, we don't need you to do that.
2:27:75 - Okay. [wind noise continues / there is no heavy breathing / he is walking, not running]. [faint
(distant?) tap at 2:33:01].
2:33:88 - All right, sir, and what is your name?
2:36:22 - George - he ran.
2:39:93 - All right, George, what's your last name?
2:41:98 - [two sharp metallic taps] Zimmerman. [wind noise disappears for remainder of call]
2:44:10 - And George, what's the phone number you're calling from?
2:45:92 - [three quick taps] Four-oh-seven, four-three-five, two-four-zero-zero [one tap].
2:52:63 - Okay, George, we do have em on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
2:56:43 - Yeah.
2:57:16 - All right, where are you going to meet with them at?
2:59:35 - [one tap] Um, if they come in through the, uh, gate [four light taps] tell them to go straight past the clubhouse [four loud taps] and, uh, [sign or post being jostled by breeze] straight past the clubhouse and make a left. And then they go past the mailboxes, n' they'll see my truck.
3:18:39 - [crosstalk: unintelligible] Okay, what-what address are you parked in front of?
3:21:60 - [mild tap] Um, I don't know. It's a cut-through so I don't know the address.
3:26:13 - Okay, do you live in the area?
3:28:31 - Yeah, yeah, [cross talk: I've lived here--]
3:29:34 - What's your apartment number?
3:31:53 - It's a home. It's one-nine-five-zero, [two taps] aw crap, I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.
3:38:75 - Okay, do you want to just meet with them right by the mailboxes then?
3:42:62 - Yeah, that's fine [tap or?]
3:45:61 - All right, George, I'll let them know to meet you when they're out there.
3:47:36 - Actually could you have him - could you have him call me and I'll tell him where I'm at?
3:50:93 - Okay, yeah, that's no problem.
3:53:48 - You need my number or you got it?
3:54:73 - Yeah, I - I got it. It's four-oh-seven, four-three-five, two-four-zero-zero?
3:58:74 - Yeah, you got it.
3:59:47 - Okay, no problem. I'll let them know to call you when they're in the area.
4:02:76 - Thanks.
4:03:12 - You're welcome.
4:04:65 - Call terminated. [real time approx. 7:13:39 PM]

hbcrow

Dashing off to a meeting.

Didn't want anyone to think I was sulking in the corner after the warm and homey welcome from the AA resident with intellectual disabilities.

Danube on iPad

Have a very lovely birthday, Janet.

narciso

What could possibly go wrong;


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2013/26_of_obama_supporters_view_tea_party_as_nation_s_top_terror_threat

DublinDave

"As a lurker, I'm sure you know dudu is a troll"


Lurkers annoy me because they're weak. Lurkers who sneak out of the shadows just for a moment are....not my cup of tea.

Now you on the other hand baby Jane are no lurker,damn girl you so fine. Whatever man is watching sunsets with you is one lucky hombre.

Ignatz

--It's a home. It's one-nine-five-zero, [two taps] aw crap, I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.--

Sounds like the words of the hunted not the hunter.

Ignatz

--Lurkers annoy me because they're weak.--

Yeah, someone having a consuming job or family to take care of would never occur to such a dole boy.

Patrick

It sounds funny when West says "creepy ass cracker."

Captain Hate

HB Janet

Besides, I might need them to serve as an escort in case I fly myself up to Merion for a round this afternoon."

Any guesses on what King 4 Putt would shoot for 18 on Merion even with the rough cut back. What's the over/under on 130?

MarkO

You may find it funny, but I'm offended and demand an apology and reparations. Reparations first.

Patrick

West needs to hit the fact that her statement to BDLR was in the presence of Martin's family, in front of which DD has already said she didn't want them to feel bad.

Jeff Dobbs

Can you tell me how wet grass sounds?

"Sure, when you tryin to inhale wet grass, you hear a lot more sucking sound because you gots to suck so hard to get any smoke compared to when you roll some good dry grass, you know?"

Threadkiller

Don't fear the Reapars.

matt

The First Lady needs to have her mouth washed out with soap. Comparing her upbringing up with that of poor Senegalese children is incredible hubris and utterly tactless. LUN

Threadkiller

...Repars..

Stephanie

Branca:

Trial Day 4: Jeantel says transcript "not what I said, it's just your opinion, sir."

DublinDave

"BTW what is the answer to her question Davey Boy?"

Honestly, Ignatius, I actually don't know the answer to her question. I do know that continually requesting a sidebar is considered bad etiquette in a courtroom, so if a Judge wants to refuse them on the grounds that the Jury may feel like they're being left out of the loop, that's probably a good idea.

Stephanie

LOL, hit.

The crickets heard after that question were comedy platinum.

narciso

double facepalm ala Picard demotivator.

jwest

MSNBC experts are saying the all-woman jury will understand the "cultural differences" between Dee Dee and the defense council and take that into consideration.

"Just because she lied outside the coutroom doesn't mean she's lying inside the courtroom".

Apparently, they believe Dee Dee is winning over the jury with her charm and wit.

MarkO

"She says the transcript is wrong. The defense wants to play the recording. The state again objects to its own interview"

I can understand why. Is the objection that it is too relevant? Brings the Prosecution into ridicule and scorn?

maryrose

matt:
Why am I not surprised that Moochelle and Bammy are both making fools of themselves in Africa?
I pray each day for the patience to endure the mind-numbing stupidity of this undynamic duo. What have we done to be punished like this? Surely some dems look at him and wonder "How come him and not me" I am so much smarter and wiser and I have some lasting principles. A mere 6 months ago Preezy was supporting marriage between a man and a woman to get re-elected. No one does a 180 in 6 months.

narciso

He never believed it, just as with Clinton, but he had to pretend, maryrose,

maryrose

Marko: You cannot make this stuff up.The transcript is in her own words. The recording has truth on it Aren't we trying to get to the truth of the matter?

MarkO

maryrose,

I think that in a twist on the hearsay rule, nothing in this case has been offered to prove the truth.

maryrose

Narciso:
Correction Obama had to lie to win re-election. And he had to cheat by shutting down the Tea Party movement. George Washington would never scheme and lie to be President again. He and Clinton are a new kind of distorted political animal.

maryrose

If I were Zimmerman I would feel so much terror at this moment. His whole life is on the line and it rests on this misreable, lying illiterate so-called girlfriend of Martin's. It is the Duke Lacrosse case revisited.

narciso

Obama regards the law as a tool of redistribution of wealth, and fundamental transformation, this is the only thing it's good for, in his view.

matt

First Jive Dude: Shiiiit, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?

Second Jive Dude: Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man!

First Jive Dude: I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see...

Second Jive Dude: Uh-huh.

First Jive Dude: ...pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'!

Second Jive Dude: Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man!

First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em...

First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: ...leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!

First Jive Dude: COL' got to be! Y'know? Shiiiiit.

Rob Crawford
Can you tell me how wet grass sounds?

Priceless

I think it's a new Zen koan.

James D.

What have we done to be punished like this?

My question is, is Obama a punishment for the U.S., or are we just now earning our punishment to come for the sin of electing him?

Surely some dems look at him and wonder "How come him and not me" I am so much smarter and wiser and I have some lasting principles

The average squirrel is much smarter and wiser than our current President, and the typical sewer rat has more lasting principles.

Threadkiller

Mike Kelly should be up in 10 min on cspan3.

Daniel Werfel in the hot seat.

Rob Crawford
Obama regards the law as a tool of redistribution of wealth, and fundamental transformation, this is the only thing it's good for, in his view.

You left out "revenge".

Gus

So much to discuss today!!
Obama expects Russia to abide by the law??
And if they don't??
What if Russia decided to give weapons to a country that has used POISON GAS on it's own people.
Face it folks, Obama wants SNOWDEN in the NEWS. Snowden keeps the press from discussing DOMESTIC SPYING.
I'm sorry but Obama is a pathetic pussy. He isn't going to scramble jets. The motherfu@#er couldn't scramble an egg.

Threadkiller

Up now!

AnnS

OT
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JANET. (pretty eyes!)

Patrick

I'm thinking West may not want to go too far with the conflict between DD's testimony and the deposition transcript. She is saying that the transcript has it wrong. There were two court reporters, one of which (the defense's) could not transcribe the answer in question. Makes it seem more credible for the witness to say the other court reporter got it wrong.

Of course, it doesn't help her that she also said she can't remember what she said.

I don't know what I said, but it wasn't that!

narciso

Well that fits in the other two categories, Rob.

Threadkiller

The "transcript" is a mystery to me. There is the prosecutor's version, there is the version West is reading from, there is the judge's version that she found out came from O'mara.

The Judge's version, according to the defense, has asterisks where text is missing.

What the hell is going on?

Gus

Dee Dee is old enough to vote.

maryrose

Gus:
I shudder at the thought. Most of preezy voters are at this intelligenge level-God help us all.
TK: It is the state's scam prosecution. Florida courts are really bad. I recall the fights after the 2000 election. Any judge with any character at all in the process was immediately vilified if his decision went against Gore. I hope after he is acquitted{as he should be} Zimmerman moves far, far away.

Enlightened

"If I were Zimmerman I would feel so much terror at this moment"

I agree. He is being rail-roaded by a bunch of scam artists, aided and abetted by a POTUS that unethically entered the fray.

It's disgusting. And if the jury does its job and acquits - how many more people will be terrorized by this sham.

maryrose

should be intelligence.

Dave (in MA)

DuDa:

btw...is it just me
Yes.

maryrose

Enlightened:
I am starting to think he should have run for it.I am sick to my stomach for him.I blame the people responsible for indicting him. Fear prompted their actions and Zimmerman is paying the price for their cowardice. How can they sleep at night. The District Atorney can still have a convab with the AG and the Governor and stop this madness. Hopefully some sane brave person will do so.

Rob Crawford

I hope that after Zimmerman's acquittal, he ends up being awarded the collective wealth of the entire prosecution team and half of one of the major networks.

Gus

WeeweeDeeDee is about as smart as WeeweeDouchebagDavey!

It's hard to believe that the lovely Dee Dee is only 19. Apparently food stamps can make you BIG.

narciso

Russell Simmons, who did much to legitimate this
behavior and attitude, provides the rationalization, Remember these are the same persons behind the no snitch rules, which protects the criminals.

Gus

Rob, it's a scary world, when the STATE prosecutes someone like Zimmerman for MURDER.
It is the STATE of FLORIDA that is in the wrong here. DeeDee/Rachel is just a common peace of tax funded human debris. Her "culture" is quite common.

jwest

Affirmative action for the truth?

I'm just starting to comprehend what MSNBC is getting at. Originally, when they mentioned the "cultural differences", I assumed they were in regards to Dee Dee not being able to read or speak english.

Now, after listening a bit more closely to their anchors and experts, I believe they are saying there is a "cultural difference" in the truth. That certain cultures don't define the truth as rigidly as others.

So, when Dee Dee makes minor changes in what her testimony is, this is to be expected and not demonized as Don West is doing. To harp on such inconsistencies would be akin to racist.

Gus

Obama had the NSA spy on Americans and other countries of interest. They kept the spying TOP SECRET.
Snowden did'nt HACK anything, he copied the files in his job capacity and went to CHINA with the TOP SECRET MATERIAL.
What is OBAMA doing to bring Snowden to justice? Not a f@#$ing thing. The motherf@#king President of the UNITED STATES will not even make a PHONE CALL to bring someone to justice who gave the CHINESE and RUSSIANS TOP SECRET INFORMATION.

Think about that.

Gus

Did you people know that Michelle Obama grew up in Senagalese like squalor?? When Michelle Two AXEHANDLE Robinson was a teen, her best friend was Jesse Jacksons' libtard daughter.

But the media eats it all up.

Patrick

The Judge's version, according to the defense, has asterisks where text is missing.

What the hell is going on?

At the deposition, the defense and prosecution each had a court reporter. The court reporter for the defense could not understand Jeantel's answer, the court reporter for the prosecution could. Jeantel is apparently saying that the prosecution's court reporter got it wrong.

Enlightened

The motherf@#king President of the UNITED STATES will not even make a PHONE CALL to bring someone to justice who gave the CHINESE and RUSSIANS TOP SECRET INFORMATION.

But he WILL call Fluke she who was so BRAVE after being called slut by Rush

But he WILL call a bunch of lesbians to congratulate them on the demise of DOMA - which he was for before he was against it

But he WILL say a wannabe racist thug who was killed in the midst of beating the crap out of someone "Coulda been my son"

But he did NOT make the 3:00 am call to save the lives of 4 Americans in Benghazi

Priorities Folks!

Our president is a laughingstock. And our society is rapidly following his lead.

Threadkiller

Thanks Patrick. Now I will attempt to figure out why the judge had no idea what she was holding.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Now, after listening a bit more closely to their anchors and experts, I believe they are saying there is a "cultural difference" in the truth. That certain cultures don't define the truth as rigidly as others.

So, when Dee Dee makes minor changes in what her testimony is, this is to be expected and not demonized as Don West is doing. To harp on such inconsistencies would be akin to racist.

So whatever happened to reasonable doubt in those anchors' minds? I guess they want to believe Ms. Jeantel's minor deviations are believable when they help the prosecution "get whitey hispanic" unbelievable when they help the defense.

Gus

I don't want any part of Dee Dee and Skittles culture. And I sure as hell don't want to continue paying for it.

centralcal

Patrick is correct about the two versions, TK. Not sure which version copy was given to the Judge.

After listening to Dee Dee for 2 days now, it is completely understandable that any number of stenos would be unclear about what she said, no matter how many times she repeats it. Much of it is gibberish.

rich@gmu

did the defense really ask her "Can you tell me how wet grass sounds?"

...I'm going to let that one roll around in my head for a while...

afternoon all. Happy Birthday Janet.

narciso

This is the sound of nuance and sophistication,
Untergang;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/obama-on-snowden-i-have-not-contacted-russia-or-china-personally-i-shouldnt-have-too-video/#disqus_thread

MarkO

"Doesn't Putin know who I am?"

Threadkiller

It is as I described earlier, ccal. The judge had the defense's first version of the transcript and West was reading from a second version.

What puzzles me (not really) is the judge was clueless as to where her copy came from.

cathy_f

To make clear, I haven't seen any of Ms. Jeantel's testimony, only read y'all's descriptions. But I am a big Psych fan -- any other ones out in JOMland? Remember the American Duos episode with the whacked-out, drugged-out female talent-show judge?

That's the mental picture I'm getting here...

Patrick

West is right now doing a brilliant job of making a talking objection, which the judge mostly doesn't allow. They are having a sidebar outloud in front of the jury. This argument is helping him much more than actually playing the recording. Hilarious.

Patrick

Oh, I may have it wrong, I'm not sure the jury is there.

Account Deleted

"So whatever happened to reasonable doubt in those anchors' minds?"

Jim Rhoads,

I expect they're laying groundwork for the "shocking aftermath" within the truth impaired black community following Zimmerman's acquittal. After all, they ginned up the indictment with their reporting, why shouldn't they gin up some riots when Zimmerman is acquitted?

Patrick

Jury wasn't there. My mistake. Would've been good though.

James D.

I am starting to think he should have run for it.I am sick to my stomach for him.I blame the people responsible for indicting him. Fear prompted their actions and Zimmerman is paying the price for their cowardice.

I agree completely. This case is just another example (as if we need more, after 4.5 years of Zero's administration) that the rule of law in this country is, at best, a shell of its former self...if it isn't dead entirely.

The ONLY reason to obey the law at this point, or to honor any contracts or promises made to government or its employees, at any level, is fear of discovery and consequences, and even that doesn't mean much when, as in GZ's case, they can just make stuff up out of whole cloth anyway.

There is no legitimacy; our "leaders" and "Public servants" do not honor their oaths or promises or contracts with us; they don't regard us as citizens but (at best) as serfs. They are owed nothing, except fear of their power. They've forfeited any respect they might ever have deserved.

Patrick

Cross is over. Bald headed due is up.

MarkO

Who wrote the letter?

Porchlight

Happy birthday to dear Janet! Have a wonderful day!

Captain Hate

So whatever happened to reasonable doubt in those anchors' minds?

Speaking only for ABC, I think the massive amount of alcohol flushed it, along with everything else, from Diane Sawyer's mind.

Ignatz

-- To harp on such inconsistencies would be akin to racist.--

Persactly; in lefty la la land the racists are the ones who think black people are just as capable of recognizing an objective truth and telling it as whites.

Non racists are those who think they aren't.

Minimalist Poster

did I get this straight? did I miss something?

virtually no coverage at all from CNN, but they suddenly went live for re-direct?

narciso

Does it seem like football is becoming like Rollerball, except off the field, or put it another way, what do T-Dawg and Hernandez have in common, prior bad acts.

AnnS

Sorry, another OT:

Twitter:

"Pass it to see whats in it"--- I only expect that advice from a colon-rectal specialist not my Congressman. - fellow Ohioian :)

Danube on iPad

Great Scott. From what little I've seen, DD is a disaster for the prosecution.

Bruce Hayden

(I think) Cecil -

I have long suspected that Martin indeed had been casing the area. He apparently had possession earlier of stolen jewelry, which suggests that he may have been involved in burglary in the past. Of course, we will never know, since he is dead. Nevertheless, his behavior that night does seem suspicious.

Account Deleted

DoT,

I found Miss Tawana Mangum to be a credit to both the prosecution and her community. Only a crazy ass cracker would think otherwise.

NK

Leftist "Truth"-- I'll repeat myself, to the Left/Dem/Media culture, there is no truth, no facts only THE NARRATIVE.

Of course, when one of the 'Community' is a defendant in court, the community member is entitled to hold THE MAN to a standard of absolute perfect factual truth. Does anyone remember the mind numbing cross of the LAPD forensic lab techs by OJ's lawyers?Dozens of minimal factual inconsistencies were question over and over again.Judge Ito just sat there and let it go on for days.

Ignatz

In my limited experience, no matter what they say, profoundly stupid or otherwise incoherent and irritable witnesses are either completely disregarded by judges and juries or they are actively harmful to the side they testify for.

The only way they can hurt the other side is if they're bullied or humiliated.

Frau Dusel

Careful, DoT -
We've gone down the rabbit hole and are now living in Obama World.

Captain Hate

This trial is a disaster for the country. Thanks again, Scott. Idiot.

jwest

"Great Scott. From what little I've seen, DD is a disaster for the prosecution."

The MSNBC experts have determined that even though she was caught in a number of lies, her "core story" never changed.

They believe the jury will ignore all the inconsistencies that were exposed and retain only that Zimmerman chased Trayvon and the words "Get off, get off".

Gus

NK, the left doesn't have truth. They have IDEOLOGY.

Captain Hate

In case you need more evidence that the JEF is the biggest lying dumbass ever to occupy the Oval Office: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/27/white-house-touts-us-funded-voter-id-program-in-kenya-despite-calling-voter-id-laws-in-america-discriminatory/

Stephanie

Just damn. Had to run to Home Depot and missed the stuff after the recess.

Did I miss anything good?

You still can't beat "Can you tell me how wet grass sounds?"

Captain Hate

Per Tammy Bruce: Coulter tells Fat Boy it's over.

centralcal

I have a question for the legal folks here.

This morning as West continued his questioning of Dee Dee, and as he started to become a little more aggressive (for him), BDLR repeatedly objected. After a morning break of 15 minutes, when the jury was brought back in, the Judge indicated there was a question from the jury about Objections and read them what appeared to be a standard definition.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting that the juror(s) were questioning that. Is that usual or were they picking up on something?

Captain Hate

Tammy is now slattering Gomez for refusing to come out against BammyCare. Pure.Electoral.Genius.

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