Dash To Dumb, ObamaCare Edition

Ezra Klein dashes away from dumb by reprising arguments he unsuccessfully made four years ago:

Obamacare’s employer mandate shouldn’t be delayed. It should be repealed.

However, his colleague Sarah Kliff has brain lock in assessing the politics of the delay:

Others dismissed concerns that employers would drop health coverage without the law’s mandate. The vast majority of large businesses already provide insurance to their workers, without any federal requirements to do so.

Groan. For decades there has been a huge tax incentive for employers to offer health coverage - the cost of health insurance is deductible to the employer as a compensation expense but is not taxable to the employee as income.

Other than for so-called "Cadillac plans" that will still be true under ObamaCare. However, ObamaCare introduces a powerful cross-current - employers can drop their coverage, pay a small-ish fine and let their employees fend for themselves on the new, government-subsidized exchanges, or they can shoulder the expense of health insurance as they have in the past. Folks who run the numbers conclude that the fines are low enough and the subsidies for low-income employees high enough that many firms, and their employees, can achieve a win-win by dropping the company health plan and shifting part of the cost to the government.

Ms. Kliff's notion that a tax-subsidized strategy will still be followed after the tax subsidies are drastically changed does not mesh with contemporary economic thought.

Comments

[narciso]

they should have offered college credit for this seminar, however they would have to spot the cliffnotes to the folks at CNN and HLN

[Gus]

We need to have an Egyptian like Tea Party in D.C.. Maybe some time when Obama isn't on vacation.

[Patriot4Freedom]

Is Obozo going to give a speech now that "The future must not belong to those who slander the Muslim Brotherhood?"

Say good-bye to Obozo's so-called "Arab spring" . . .

and good riddance.

[Ranger]

BBC Live Feed:

Following reports of tanks heading in the direction of a pro-Morsi rally near Cairo University, the state-run al-Ahram newspaper says that Egyptian security forces are preparing to clear the protest.

Looks like things will get a little sporty tonight in Cairo.

[centralcal]

Mosheh Oinounou ‏@Mosheh

A @CBSThisMorning producer just spotted Secretary of State Kerry on yacht in the Nantucket Boat Basin. No response when she shouted "Morsi"

[centralcal]

My favorite Legal Insurrection tweet of the day:

Morsi won 51.73%-48.27%, Obama 51.1%-47.2%

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Hhhmmmmm

[centralcal]

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 1m

Secretary of State keeping close eye on things from the Situation Boat

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Almost spit out my soda reading that one!

[Clarice]

Love that , cc. Posting it on FB.

[Ranger]

Via AJ:

Egypt's Al-Ahram newspaper reported that arrest warrants had been issued for 300 Brotherhood members, and the security forces were preparing to clear a pro-Mursi rally near Cairo University.

The state news agency MENA reported that the police were continuing its efforts to arrest "a number of members of the Muslim Brotherhood who are accused of inciting violence and disturbing general security and peace."

About two years overdue, but better late than never I guess.

[Ranger]

BBC Live Feed:

Mark Lobel, BBC Newsnight producer tweets: Parties over most of Cairo tonight but pls can any new rules encourage fewer fireworks from inside cars & not aimed at TV presenters #Egypt

As they say, Heh.

[Steve]

Pro Lifers singing "Amazing Grace" vs. Liberals changing "Hail Satan" (Seriously)

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/07/conservatives-sing-amazing-grace.html

[2Jack is Back4]

Clarice,

You have to wait until Friday when The Mom of The Year testifies. Hilarity ensues.

[Threadkiller]

Any warrants for the Muslim Sisterhood?

It was encouraging to see five sitting US Congressmen – led by Rep. Michele Bachmann – send a letter to the Office of the Inspector General at the State Department recently; it made reference to the familial relationships Huma Abedin – Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff and closest advisor – has to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Abedin has much fewer than six degrees of separation (1 or 2 depending on your interpretation) from Egypt’s newly electedMuslim Brotherhood president – Mohammed Mursi.

One year ago, when Walid discovered the names of 63 leaders who make up the Muslim Sisterhood – which is essentially nothing more than the female version of the Brotherhood – we learned that Huma’s mother, Saleha, was one of those leaders. Little attention has been paid to the other 62 leaders, however. One of them is Najla Ali Mahmoud, the wife of Mursi. Both are members of the Guidance Bureau, which proves fallacious, the claim that Najla is just an innocent and naïve spouse.

This would make Huma’s mother a close, personal colleague of the wife of a virulently anti-Semitic racist who has officially been declared the first president-elect of post-Mubarak Egypt.

http://shoebat.com/2012/06/24/how-is-huma-abedin-connected-to-egypts-new-president/

[narciso]

'We're in the hands of Top Men'

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/03/more-policy-based-evidence-making-at-cfpb/

[2Jack is Back4]

Isn't this the way Egypt gave way to Zawahiri and eventually AQ? After Sawdat was assasinated on parade?

[Patriot4Freedom]

Notice how the MFM has conveniently * overlooked * the fact that St. Trayvon's birth mother, Sybrina Fulton, divorced Mr. Martin when Trayvon was a toddler.

St. Trayvon was actually raised from three years of age by his stepmother.

O'Mara is likely to gently bring that out during his cross on Monday.

[narciso]

Yes, JiB, and Quradawi, the grand old man of salafism is still calling the plays from Doha,

[2Jack is Back4]

narc,

He can say the prayers to open the World Cup then:)

[Jane -]

I think Old Lurker should march down to that teak wreck and interview long-face about the situation.

[Jane -]

O'Mara is likely to gently bring that out during his cross on Monday.

He's got to be careful. Trayvon also was under school suspension for stealing (I think) which is the only reason he was at that location and we've fund out recently that he had quite a record which was covered up by the police.

But it cuts both ways. You have to be very careful when you cross examine a grieving mother. However if she hasn't been around him in a decade it would seem odd to be able to identify his scream.

MOM is great at cross exam. If anyone can do it, he can.

[Patriot4Freedom]

Is Sec. "Reporting for Doody" meeting with members of the president's national boating council in the Situation Boat?

[maryrose]

Jane:
Kerry fiddls while Egypt burns. Why does th imag of him wind-surfing during the 2004 campaign come to mind. We have a serious LACK of leadership in this country.Hagel is clueless Krry is windswept and Bammy is feckless.

[maryrose]

I am having trouble with the "E" on this computer.

[narciso]

'Beeks whatever happened to that guy' I mean it does involve his perview.

[centralcal]

LOL - talk radio on my drive home from work was going to town on our Secretary of State, Jean Carre and his Situation Boat.

Iowahawk has really SCORED with that tweet!

[Threadkiller]

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[narciso]

That was the German philosopher guy, I was talking about.

[rich@gmu]

Kerry is sitting in a boat in MA while the ME burns? wow...

evening all, hope everyone has a great 4th holiday.

[Jane -]

TK, I still have bumperstickers with that Kerry quote on them. They were very popular in MA in 2008.

[narciso]

On Twitter everyone can hear you whine;

http://twitchy.com/2013/07/03/sacrificing-for-egypt-courageous-mona-eltahawy-moans-of-her-pundit-plight-in-egyptian-coup/

[Account Deleted]

I would be unsurprised by a de minimus cross by O'Mara of Ms Trademark followed by calling Mrs. Zimmerman (mother) to open the defense. It would be excellent theater and allow the jury the weekend to weigh the testimony.

O'Mara could wrap the defense up in 2-3 days next week (after the Kleagle denies the motion for a directed verdict). There may be a procedural problem in calling Mrs. Zimmerman if the primary defense is self defense but I'd sure like to see her testify right after Ms Trademark.

[pagar]

Wonder if any of these guys might be on any of those 300 MB arrest warrants?

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2013/01/09/forward-six-muslim-brotherhood-operatives-islamist-activists-in-obama-regime/

IMO, Al Jazeera in the US and Al Jazeera in Egypt have the same goals.

[rich@gmu]

and drudge is all blue for the start of the holiday....

and looking at the headlines, I can see why. What the hell, those weirdoes in TX were chanting "Hail Satan!" to filibuster the TX abortion bill? WTF? And the MSM tells us that it is Christian Conservatives who are the problem?

[rich@gmu]

isn't the coup in Egypt looking like the coup that deposed Allende? Wonder if Mohammed al Arian (PIMCO) is going to be a player in post coup Egypt?

[2Jack is Back4]

Let's all remember as we post tonight that tomorrow is the 237th anniversary of the passage of the Declaration of Independence by the 2nd Continental Congress.

Me?

I am personally ready for the third!

[narciso]

There are similarities, to that and well the coup against Goulart in '64, although the latter was much more bloodless,

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

A line from a DiploMad post - "They (Israel), instead, watch uneasy as the Four Stooges of the Apocalypse (Obama, Kerry, Hagel, and McCain) urge the Western world into backing head-cutting savages, trying to portray them as the equivalent of our Minutemen or some other brave resistance movement."

http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2013/07/pyramid-scheme.html?spref=fb

[Jeff Dobbs]

Rich:
those weirdoes in TX

You do know the "official" Austin motto, right?

[Jane -]

For some reason I keep thinking this is a very big Independence day.

[Danube on iPad]

I assume the defense can call GZ's mom as a character witness if they want to, but that could open some troublesome doors.

Ditto with Trayvon's mom. If she says anything like "he would never throw the first punch," then it's wide open. But if all she says is "that's my baby screaming," that could be some powerful stuff.

[Patriot4Freedom]

Jane - You're absolutely right, MOM has a delicate task ahead on Monday. It is always hard to examine a victim's family member, especially a grieving mother.

Adding to that, MOM has to try to finesse-in the statement Tracy Martin made to police - that the voice on the 911 call crying for help was NOT his son's voice.

(Sorry for the delayed post. Typhus-pad was busy eating earlier attempts to reply)

[Jane -]

Did anyone here ever try any criminal cases?

[MarkO]

Given the trial so far, Trayvon's mom might take the stand and say she's just not certain.

The jury already anticipates, from prior testimony, that she will ID the call. If that is all she does, I would stand and say, "No questions."

I suspect, however, she will make up something more.

[narciso]

The mittens have gotten smaller on the kangaroos,
that's the best that could be expected, And Newton's Second Law seems to have proved itself in Tahrir Square, at least for now.

[Threadkiller]

The future does not belong to those who coup my profit from Islam...

http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-chides-egypt-to-quickly-elect-government-respect-muslim-brotherhood/

[MarkO]

Obama is such a lightweight. As Bugs would say, "What a maroon."

[Clarice]

If this is the mother who's sitting in on the trial, she was too busy tweeting to cry when the tape of the screams was played in court. And papa looks totally unconcerned.

[Gus]

why would Skittles be screaming for help for that amount of time. Seriously. He's straddling Whitey and throwing punches to a guy on his back and bleeding. Why would he be screaming for help??

[Threadkiller]

Newly released tape: Travon's scream identified at 42sec mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kxvxw1-MgA

[Account Deleted]

"I suspect, however, she will make up something more."

I doubt that "crazy ass cracker perv" was included in BDLR's coaching of Miss Jeantel and I will be entirely unsurprised should Ms Trademark swing for the fences under cross examination. After all, it's pay day and the home team is down by a bunch.

[Clarice]

At OSI our shop was in the criminal division but our cases were tried in civil ct before judges only. The denaturalization and deportation proceedins were concerned quasi criminal I guess, Jane. We always gave suspects Miranda warnings and didn't question them without offering them the right to have counsel present.

[Ranger]

Looks like the Army is trying to wait the Brotherhood boys out (via BBC Live Feed):

Reem Abdellatif, Wall Street Journal, tweets: "#Morsi supporters are still surrounded by military personnel at #Cairo university and Rabaa Mosque. #Egypt"

Could be a long night for all involved.

[Gus]

Isn't Whiteys mother from Peru??
I wonder if she can communicate so eloquently like DeeDee or if she can read cursive?

[Clarice]

*were CONSIDERED^

[Gus]

I just TRADEMARKED Trayvon Martin Luther King Jr.

[narciso]

I know 'consider the source' but consider the source;

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/muslim-brotherhood-plotting-to-form-new-terror-group/

[Threadkiller]

Meet the new mob, same as the old mob...

[Gus]

MOB is BOM backwards.

[narciso]

I think the Who had a notion about that?

[Gus]

The WHO were 4 Creepy ass Crackers.

[Jeff Dobbs]

And DOOM backwards is MOOD.

[Threadkiller]

Has anybody trademarked "Tray-mark"?

[narciso]

Latest from BBC feed;

There are conflicting reports on social media over whether violence has broken out at a pro-Morsi rally near the Rabaa Mosque in Cairo.

[Jeff Dobbs]

Nope, but I got "Thread-mark"

[Gus]

I'm pretty sure SKITTLES is trademarked.

[narciso]

Of course, that tweet is very unclear.

[narciso]

Ironically, the first was one of those who first met Obama in Cairo in 2009;

Egyptian security forces have arrested two senior leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood, officials say. Saad al-Katatni, who heads the Freedom and Justice Party - the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood - and the Islamist movement's deputy head, Rashad al-Bayoumi, have been detained - AFP

[Gus]

Narciso, I just want to remind our dear JoM readers that Baron Von JugEars is a CHRISTIAN.

[Account Deleted]

"Of course, that tweet is very unclear."

Security forces are probably enthusiastically unfriending any MB they notice tweeting. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that some MB had their tweeters smashed to bits.

[Captain Hate]

All the people who trashed Bachmann, including a lot of Repukes, are looking pretty damn stupid today.

[narciso]

After you Alfonse;

Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd has called for Egypt to make a swift return to democracy, as his government upgrades travel warnings urging hundreds of Australians in the country to consider leaving, AAP reports.

[Captain Hate]

Gov. Bobby Jindal ✔ @BobbyJindal

You know things are bad when you can’t even successfully implement your own bad ideas.

[narciso]

A little more context, however it comes from the curious named Gehad Haddad;

Attack lasted 4 15 min. Impossible to tell who is attacking, they wore plain cloths. Weren't armed forces supposed to protect protests ?

[Gus]

Rick by TWEETERS, you aren't referring to genitals are you??

[daddy]

Just awoke and turning on CNN I see Cristine Amonpour saying something very close to this:

Yes, the Muslim Brotherhead Government was terrible;
Yes, it was incapable of governing;
Yes it was in essence a failed State;
and Yes, Morsi was Izlamicizing the Government by appointing his cronies to positions of power...

My questions, since I haven't followed this as much as you guys and I hate CNN so I don't watch it much---were we getting such honest reports of how bad Morsi's MB Govt was previous to him getting canned tonight, or was most of this not previously reported by our domestic MSM Networks, and now only stated truthfully since he is gone and they have to explain why he is booted out of power?

Back to catch-up to see if you've already covered this in the threads.

[rich@gmu]

Narciso, I just want to remind our dear JoM readers that Baron Von JugEars is a CHRISTIAN.

Posted by: Gus | July 03, 2013 at 10:17 PM

I bought The Amateur on your recommendation. Reading the bit about Rev. Wright I'm inclined to believe he probably wasn't. taqiyya...and why is it that all those kinda words look like they are from Mordor.

[Gus]

Michelle Bachmann is a extremely wonderful person, and a person of impeccable character.
The same cannot be said about Pelosi, Reid, nor Obama.

[narciso]

Much like the Times reporters that had to explain why Van Jones had stepped down, daddy,
you know yadda yadda;

I've changed nics at the Horde, because of stupid stunts like this,

[Stephanie]

Bought a new smoker and tried it for the first time today. Good results for the first try. Did ribs and let them smoke for almost 6 hours at 250 in apple wood. Not fall off the bone tender, but close.

Doing a porkbutt tomorrow and will lower to 200 and start at 8:00. Anyone have any awesome recipes for barbque techniques, sauces, rubs, marinades, etc?

Much appreciated.

[Captain Hate]

I think you know the answer to that, daddy. It would take an act of willful blindness to ignore the scarcity of food in Egypt, which btw didn't begin with Morsi. Ignoring starvation isn't anything new to the MFM when it doesn't fit their narrative; Duranty got a Pulitzer for doing it.

[Gus]

That's nice to hear Rich!! I just RETIRED my one dollar GOODWILL copy of AMATEUR today!!! Some of the stuff in it, was NOSTRADAMUS-esque.

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

Mordor on the Potomac.

All the people who trashed Bachmann, including a lot of Repukes, are looking pretty damn stupid today.
and
Michelle Bachmann is a extremely wonderful person, and a person of impeccable character.
The same cannot be said about Pelosi, Reid, nor Obama.

Amen to both posts.

[Gus]

Janet, if someone took the time to know who MICHELLE BACHMANN is, they'd love her. Unless they are MARXIST LIBTARDS.

[Captain Hate]

For somebody who's supposed to be on our side, Erickson spends a lot of time walking back dumbass statements and deeds.

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

At Weasel Zippers -
"CHRIS MATTHEWS: Suppose everybody – and by the way, I’m surrounded by people who think he’s guilty, Zimmerman. All my family, my liberal sons, my liberal wife. Everybody thinks the guy, Zimmerman’s the bad guy...."

His wife is Kathleen Mathews. She used to be a local news anchor here in the DC area.

[Jeff Dobbs]

Gus:
Michelle Bachmann is a extremely wonderful person, and a person of impeccable character.

I love Bachmann. I do. But her Gardasil claims in the last Repub primaries are enough to make her character peccable.

Or maybe she has a character of gold and her statements were just naive.

[Gus]

Captain, PRINCIPLES do not have to be backtracked. Even mistakes are able to be explained if you follow your MORAL PRINCIPLES.

[Account Deleted]

Gus,

I was actually just commenting on the awesome stupidity required for someone to use an easily tracked device to broadcast their feelings and location to security forces best noted for using roasting on a spit over a low fire as an interrogation method. I wonder how many of the MB boys last tweet consisted of the Arabic equivalent of "later - sum1 at the dor"

[Captain Hate]

Whenever I see one of those dimwitted "History isn't made by well behaved women" bumperstickers, I'm positive whatever crone owns that goes full Linda Blair at the mention of Bachmann or Palin and doesn't feel self conscious doing it.

[Captain Hate]

Yeah, I'm not giving Michele a 100% ranking. If she has national aspirations she hasn't handled some things as well as she could imo. But nothing she's done has had such long term negative implications as what Rubio's done.

[Gus]

Rick, I love your comments. You are wise and bright.

[daddy]

Thanks narciso and Captain,

That was my impression upon hearing Amonpour lay out the anti-Morsi case so simply and straightforward.

I guess that 10 years after CNN's head Eason Jordan (The News We Kept To Ourselves) told us that CNN was lying to us about Saddam's regime in order to maintain CNN's "access" it's still doing that same trick, with the added incentive of CNN trying to make Obama and Hillary look like competent World Leaders.

[narciso]

yes she 'chose poorly' on certain circumstance like Gardasil and more significantly picking Rollins, but when she was correct,

OT, https://twitter.com/search?q=%23JohnKerryYachtNames&src=hash

[centralcal]

For somebody who's supposed to be on our side,

I have never liked him - Erick Erickson. I don't know why. I can't explain it. I just don't like him.

[Gus]

CNN admitted to hiding FACTS for the sake of keeping themselves in the favor of SADDAM HUSSEINS regime.

It was necessary to be a dupe and a stooge. It was for the GREATER GOOD.
Or profits.

[narciso]

Yes, Eason Jordan, was who came to mind, Also Lucia Newman, in my neck of the woods,

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

Dennis Miller is great.

[centralcal]

Rick, I love your comments.

Before, I "retire" for the evening, let me say how much I agree with that statement, Gus.

One of the reasons, I am "addicted" to this place!

Clarice made me want to ask a question, long ago and far away. PeterUK, kept me constantly entertained. Jane always had "coffee in the morning." Rick just always had the words I wished I had at the ready.

So much talent in one comment thread! Totally addictive.

[Ranger]

Why isn't this surprising:

Officials of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said a gathering of its supporters near a mosque in a Cairo suburb was fired on for several minutes early on Thursday.

About an hour later, Reuters correspondents found the site calm.

It would appear that the Army's plan is to isolate and then ignore the Brotherhood boys. That way, when violence does break out, they can blame it on the Brotherhood.

[narciso]

This reminds me of that line from PoI, when Finch says he invented social media: