Imagining If The Races Were Reversed In The Zimmerman Case

I am shocked that the shooting of Chris Cervini by Roderick Scott was overlooked for so long by so many (but not all!) during the Zimmerman hoop-la. Geez, imagine if a black man intent on stopping crime shot a white kid. Or rather than imagine, check this case from upstate New York that unfolded during 2009:

Late Friday evening, a Monroe County jury reached a unanimous verdict in the trial of Roderick Scott: not guilty of manslaughter in the first degree. Scott had gunned down a teenage hoodlum who had been breaking into cars in his neighborhood. The prosecution portrayed it as an act of vigilante behavior run amok; Scott and his defense team presented the incident as the unfortunate result of reasonable behavior by a concerned citizen paired with the foolishness of a teenager under the influence of alcohol, drugs and bad peers.

The kids were caught in the act of breaking into cars and had the drug/alcohol thing, so Scott had that going for him. On the other hand, Scott "had the build of a football player", was never actually struck by any of the teens, and managed to shoot the dead boy twice, once in the back. Ooops.

Unlike Zimmerman, Scott was promptly arrested. Like Zimmerman, he was eventually acquited by a jury that apparently felt his self-defense argument created reasonable doubt.

Here is some eerily prescient speculation from 2009:

Had this same series of events occurred with a different cast of characters, could we expect the public and, more important, the jury, to treat the actors the same way? In this case, Scott was an African American man, his victim a white teenaged male. Had the race of these two been reversed -- a white man shooting an African American youth -- would the trial have received more attention? Would motives have been scrutinized more closely? Would conservative commentators rallied to the shooter's defense (because you know how criminally-inclined those youth are...)? Would activists have championed the cause of the victim as yet another casualty of stereotypes and bigotry? Difficult to say, but all fair questions to ask. Perhaps this community was lucky, in a way, that the characters were cast as they were.

I guess we have some answers there.

Meanwhile, after all their hyperventilating about the hideous Stand Your Ground law in Florida, let's take a nano-second to review the entirety of the NY Times coverage of this upstate New York case:

That was easy. Hello, Charles Blow? Helloooooo?

PILING ON: The DoJ has time on its hands and is trolling for tips on a private citizen without any of those vexing warrants or indictments or the sorts of things that we normally associate with the FBI's Most Wanted list. Well, if they want to investigate acquited citizens, maybe we can tip them off to the Roderick Scott case.

Comments

[narciso]

Iowahawk dismisses another portentous Think Regress report, complaining we have 5% of the population, but 50% of the firearms, to which he ads still a lower death toll then Venezuela

[JIB]

RobC,

Been gone for awhile but what do you mean about 4 new Graetrer flavors?

You know I am a Bearcat graduate and there are 3 things that kept me alive back then: Empress chili, Graeter's ice cream and White Castle burgers. Well that an 14K Hudepohl but that was when I could drink beerl

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

It's all too sickening, pagar.
We fund the organizations that are destroying our nation.

[narciso]

See he started out on one of the 'alternative
papers' to the left of the daily worker;

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2013/07/17/washposts-media-blogger-bemoans-tedious-outrage-machine-upset-rolling-

[JIB]

1daddy2,

Hear, heard, my good man. I rise in support of your proclamation We are a country of free men and laws. How dare the institutions of our designed freedom dare to interrupt our laws with trivia technological nonsense:)

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

One of the "journalists' whining about the high schooler is Chait - a JournoLister.

Guess he's mad the kid didn't consult with the group first.
Hopefully some of our tax dollars are going to the JournoList Club. Wouldn't want those leftists to have to make it on their own....

[narciso]

Ah 'Chaitred' dubbed such because he proclaimed how liberating it was to hate W,
also a blithering idiots on most subjects,

[Captain Hate]

Chait was one of the senior children of the cornhole who made the New Republic unreadable.

[Ignatz]

--we have 5% of the population, but 50% of the firearms-

Why not go for 100%?

[narciso]

I think the Chinese army has the rest,

[narciso]

I think it was generally adulatory, but at the end it does illustrates some of the egomania illustrated in the Social Network;

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/wikileaks-lashes-out-again-at-on-screen-portrayal/#comments

[bunkerbuster]

the attempt to draw parallels with the Martin killing only underscore that there was zero evidence Martin as involved in any crime AND that police didn't even bother to conduct a full investigation of Zimmerman's claims before releasing him without charge. Afro-American shooters were arrested and charged straight off, even in a case where witnesses corroborate that the deceased were engaged in a felony at the time of the shooting.
What's funny, but a bit sad, is that identity conservatives are just too spun and dumb to figure out how this whole "why didn't liberals say anything when a black guy was a shooter'' is actually condemning their own bias, in that identify conservatives made zero efforts to jump to the Afro-American shooter's defense.
The pattern is clear: identity conservatives use any and every event involving Afro-Americans to foment antipathy and mistrust of Afro-Americans and to paint caucasians as victims of the powers that be, even though Caucasians ARE the powers that be…

[JIB]

I give up.

Its probably been posted before but where is the outrage..

Link

[JIB]

After having to read BuBu's latest missive I have to say nite.

[narciso]

Have you started on Silva's latest, JiB?

[jimmyk]

Why not go for 100%?

We are--of the population.

[boris]

Bubu is so dense. Trayvon was shot while trying to kill Zimmerman, not because he was acting suspicious.

[Threadkiller]

"Caucasians ARE the powers that be..."

Not the Obama is half white garbage again??

Leave the brother alone, bunker.

[Emoto Don]

"What's funny, but a bit sad"

for Twitter users> :D :(

[jimmyk]

Daddy, I sympathize, but Twitter is what you make of it. Many if not most of the tweets I see include links to longer articles. So it basically becomes a sort of news feed, not unlike what narciso does here, if I may say. (I do follow Iowahawk because he's a genius, but he's the exception, and even he frequently links to articles.) Of course a lot of Twitter is full of vapid nonsense, but you can pick and choose whom to follow.

[narciso]

It is clear, we are approaching the world of 'Brazil'

[Gus]

Narciso, the Mexican drug cartels have about 2000.

[Ignatz]

--identity conservatives use any and every event involving Afro-Americans to foment antipathy and mistrust of Afro-Americans--

The only people that use blacks are you slimy leftist Dems. You've been doing it for 200 years and apparently will never stop.
Even in this case it's the creeps like you, bubu, who say Zimmerman should have known better than to trail this kid cause something bad always happens when anybody follows a black guy, they just can't help themselves.

Save the lectures for people who don't know what a creepy little racialist racket you clowns run; an entire party that expects nothing of blacks other than you hope and pray they keep playing the Dem banjo for ya.
If they didn't vote Dem you'd have a George Zimmerman bumper sticker on your Volvo beater.

[narciso]

Well that was a snarky observation, omly slightly off thread, I found a novelist who sort of tackles 'Fast and Furious' although he doesn't call it that, Andrew Gross's in his latest.

[Gus]

Sorry Dana, but President Dunce Cap tried to make this political. The vigilante MOB demanded that Zimmerman be charged, and even the Police Chief was fired for not listening to the race hustlers.
I know, I know, you love "colored people", you have a color TV in fact.

[narciso]

Spunkmeyer's not Dana, Gus, he's only Zuul;

[Some Guy]

Geesh, bubu even you can’t be that big of a dork…

Scott was correctly acquitted, but his self-defense claim wasn’t even close to GZ’s claim. Which explains any “disparity” that gets you all goosepimply.

You are of course completely missing the point. Numerous people (like you) said to their like-minded friends*, ‘if Zimmerman was black, and Martin was white the very gates of hell would have sucked the earth into a fiery vortex…’ no wait, that’s not it. You would have insisted that the a black Zimmerman would *never* get away with it.

*or the guy at Starbucks who pretends to be interested.

[Jane on Ipad hi there NSA]

I like twitter. To me it often feels like JOM . I only follow conservatives for the most part and nothing beats it if you want the latest news. Jimmy, what is your witter handle?

[jimmyk]

It's just my name including middle initial A. You can find me among your YouToo followers. I don't tweet very often though, so don't expect many Iowahawk-like insights.

I can't believe bubu has come back to this thread after his clock was cleaned n the earlier one. Like a moth to a flame.

[Steve]

THIS IS BIG! Darrell Issa says he has info that links the IRS scandal all the way to the White House

[Steve]

THIS IS BIG! Darrell Issa says he has info that links the IRS scandal all the way to the White House

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/07/rep-darrell-issa-has-information-that.html

[Gus]

Jimmyk. Libtards have no conscience. It's a mental illness. Most libtards are either stupid and naive or very very dishonest. Our Troll is the latter. He is a sociopath like most libtards.

[jimmyk]

Ben Carson was a bit of a disappointment on Hannity. He actually said that GZ probably committed manslaughter, but seemed unaware that a conviction for that could result in a 30 year sentence (he said GZ would have been out in a year or two). But he wasn't as bad as Julian Bond's son (Michael?) who had the facts wrong ("the 911 operator told GZ not to get out of his vehicle"), and echoed duda's idiotic view that if GZ had just said "Excuse me, I'm with neighborhood watch" that TM would not have reacted violently. Having grown up in an urban environment myself, and been sucker-punched more than once, my informed opinion is that doing that would have been an even surer way of getting his face bashed in.

[Gus]

Steve. This is quite interesting.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/17/irs-lawyer-says-scandal-was-overseen-by-d-c-names-names/

[Some Guy]

I wonder how Crump & Co feel about Rachel Jeantel destroying their civil suit prospects with every interview she gives?

[bunkerbuster]

boris: the idea that Martin intended to beat Zimmerman to death is preposterous on its face. Zimmerman's injuries were minor, requiring no medical attention. If Martin initiated the attack and pummeled Zimmerman "MMA style'' while sitting on top of him with an intent to kill him, why didn't Zimmerman sustain any serious injuries? Martin had no motive and no record of violence -- unless you consider anonymous re-creations of third-party text messages evidence, in which case your gullibility and lack of intellectual integrity become self-evident.
There are more than 10,000 murders every year in the U.S., but virtually no cases of an unarmed teenage boy beating a man to death. I can't say it has never happened, but I would wager that it almost never happens.
FBI stats say less than 6 percent of U.S. murders in 2011 were committed with "fists, hands, feet or pushing.'' Take a wild guess at how many of those would have been teenage boys beating grown men they never met to death...
Was Zimmerman losing the fight? Apparently. But that's not evidence that Martin started it, nor that Zimmerman could have reasonably feared for his life.

[narciso]

Well in his defense, the Post and the Journal, repeated the same premises, however that was dissapointing,

[bunkerbuster]

JimmyK: where are you getting the Zim had "his face bashed in"?
Why the need for wild exaggeration? Why not just stick to the facts? Zims injuries were minor.

[Some Guy]

Hmmm, Googling "teenager beats man to death" only gets 163,000,000 hits...

[Threadkiller]

You are assuming TM was any good with his MMA skills, bunker.

GZ made that same assumption yet you ridicule him.

?

[narciso]

I flagged that fellow's name, when the scandal first broke, among other reasons, because he was a former Democratic Senate staffer.

[fdcol63]

Someone's probably mentioned this already, and if so, I apologize for being redundant. But .....

If we follow Holder's view of SYG, then Saint Trayvon had a clear "duty to retreat" if he felt threatened by GZ, instead of committing felony battery upon him.

[Gus]

More than half of the WELL OVER 10,000 MURDERS each year, are commited by Blacks. Mostly young blacks. When Skittles cold cocked Whitey Zimmerman, Skittles was acting irrationally. When Skittles continued the FIGHT CLUB assault on Whitey Zimmerman, and smacked Whitey's head on the CONCRETE several times. Skittles intent was obvious.
Sorry alliteration Boy Butt Buster. You're a fucking clown.

[Danube on iPad]

"the idea that Martin intended to beat Zimmerman to death is preposterous on its face"

The idea that Zimmerman was justified in believing that he intended to inflict great bodily harm was evident to the jury. That idea is sufficient to make out the defense.

You will search in vain for any conservative criticism of the jury verdict in the Scott case. You will also search in vain for any reference to it by bubu: doesn't fit the narrative.

[Danube on iPad]

"JimmyK: where are you getting the [idea that] Zim had 'his face bashed in?'"

Ever had your nose broken in a fistfight, bubu?

[Gus]

Jimmyk!! Good points. Skittles Martin Luther King Jr. did indeed ATTACK ZIMMERMAN, broke his nose, and got on top, and punched him and also smacked his head into the PAVEMENT. Which one of those PAVEMENT SMACKS.....fractures the skull?? Good thing for Zimmerman that he had a gun!! Who knows what the VIOLENT DRUG induced Thug Skittles Martin Luther King Jr, would have done, had Zimmerman not had that gun??

[jimmyk]

Gus, we'd have never heard about it, just one more murder victim like thousands of others.

[Danube on iPad]

"there was zero evidence Martin as [sic] involved in any crime"

Other than the crime of assault and battery, the kid has a point.

For the record, I support (and applaud) the jury verdicts in bothe the Scott and Zimmerman cases. Still waiting to learn the views of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and bubu on the former.

[CR]

Sorry if it has already been mentioned, but the IRS said yesterday, that it wasn't an IRS employee that improperly accessed the political candidate or donor's tax records. Therefore, who was the federal employee or from what agency did this access occur - the one that Holder declined to prosecute?

[Gus]

Danube. Any time a LIBTARD loses, the UMPIRES cheated.
This is what HOPE and CHANGE brought us. Out of control mentally ill MARXISTS.

[Gus]

CR, seems that OBAMA'S investigations get completed quite quickly SOMETIMES.
Maybe FAST and FURIOUS is way too complicated.
Maybe Benghazi is full of SUPER DOOPER SECRECY etc etc.
Obama is a pile of crap loser. The only reason Holder isn't gone, is because HOLDER knows what OBAMA knows. If Obama tosses holder under the bus, Holder TALKS.

[jimmyk]

Other than the crime of assault and battery, the kid has a point.

And of course if one waits until a crime is committed so as to obtain evidence of a crime, it's a bit late to prevent a crime.

Even police don't need evidence of a crime to question someone, obtain a warrant, etc., just probable cause.

[Gus]

(("the idea that Martin intended to beat Zimmerman to death is preposterous on its face"}}

Hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha.

Did I mention. Hahahahahahahahahaahaha.

That's retarded sir.

[Danube on iPad]

"Zims injuries were minor."

They remained minor because the infliction of them was permanently interrupted by Zimmerman's lawful defense of his person.

At the outset of this case I instructed bubu that, as a matter of law, the scope of the injuries was irrelevant to the legal sufficiency of the self-defense claim. At least one of the state's witnesses confirmed this fact in testimony, as did the jury instructions.

I was right; bubu was wrong. And the kid still doesn't know what hit him.

[Gus]

I'm sure some LIBTARD can explain, exactly how Zimmerman was WRONG about SKITTLES being SUSPICIOUS, considering the SKITTLES committed a VIOLENT FELONY ASSAULT on Zimmerman!!!
I know LIBTARDS, the little black boy, was really really mad, cause some CREEPY ASS CRACKA, was "looking" at him.

This issue is perfect. It's just how the LEFT goes WAY TO FAR and steps on their own little dick. While trying to whip up the base.

[Gus]

I've had a broken nose. It's not minor. Mine was fixed. It was roto-rooted. To this very day, it will bleed when it's dry.
I'd rather look at the evidence. Skittles decided to ATTACK ZIMMERMAN, and ZIMMERMAN......................................only shot SKITTLES once.

[Stephanie]

The crazeee is strong:

Racism is to White People as Wind is to Sky

This is awesome in its insanity.

http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2013/07/headdesk-she-replied.html#more

Start here and go back to the original.

Rita Rudner was right.

[narciso]

Well the sun only goes out, when it collapses on itself and goes nova, so therein goes the first premise;

[narciso]

That might require some stitches, Stephanie, and/or duck tape.

[Gus]

Stephanie and Narciso, such nonsense would have been kept to the LIBTARD writes own self here-to-fore vis a vis Obama. The NUTJOBS have come out of the woodwork, believing they were on the front lines of a MARXIST revolution.
The LEFT is COMPLETELY NUTS.

[Sue]

Did anyone listen to the prosecutor in his closing arguments? He repeatedly told the jury what GZ was doing, adding it wasn't illegal. GZ had as much right to be on that street, that night, as TM did. He could have followed TM all the way to his door and it wouldn't have been illegal. The moment the fight began, that is the moment that mattered. The prosecution told us that.

[Gus]

Sue, the PROSECUTION is supposed to be HONORABLE and represent the tax payers.

[Threadkiller]

All that come to mind, Stephanie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU_w_twAr7w

[narciso]

He was screaming and ranting, so much I wasn't really paying attention to him, Sue,

[Sue]

The prosecution sucked. Or rather, their case did. They knew they overcharged but didn't care. If I were GZ, I would file a complaint with the state bar.

[Gus]

Sue, Mr O'Mara has taken the DISHONEST and UNPROFESSIONAL and LIBTARDEDLY POLITICAL prosecution PERSONALLY. Corey is DONE.

[Danube on iPad]

Everyone knows what's going on here: the New York Times, Al Sharpton and the legions of bubus in this country have based their conclusions about this matter entirely on the basis of the race of the actors. The media even went so far as to invent a new term--"white Hispanic"--especially for Zimmerman, in order to afford an opportunity to deplore America as racist. (Was the term ever applid to Bill Richardson? Is it even applied today to Aaron Hernandez, accused killer of a young black man?)

The chance to strut one's moral superiority over the redneck bigots is simply irresistible. This time, they've been caught out and exposed, rather shamefully. Good.

[Sue]

Narciso,

I was surprised to hear him say it. I kept asking myself when he was going to get to what GZ did that was illegal.

But think about it. What law said GZ couldn't be on those streets just because TM was on them?

[Stephanie]

It gets even better, if you click on the 'ongoing series' up pops major mind blowing stuff like this:

It wasn't all like that. I'm not allowed to call her 'mum' because she thinks that defines her by her role

and

Our biggest tasks r 2 defeat the two ideological pillars of capitalism 1) that we have to pay our debts and 2) that we have to have jobs

but this might be my fave

Why is it alright to say 'I ate bacon' and not alright to say I shot my black slave or I raped my wife?

[Gus]

Danube, you are correct, but add to that the COMMUNITY ORGANIZER and his little girl Friday Holder.....furiously FANNING RACIAL FLAMES.
It's ALYNSKI. Textbook Alynski. And it's about garnering the IDIOT base for the next elections.

[narciso]

The law of 'Simon SAys', btw Rita Rudner had that very droll observational humor that you don't hear much of anymore,

Let's ponder that last statement, while my head explodes,

[Sue]

GZ's crime, according to Guy, was getting out of his car.

[Threadkiller]

Everyone knows what's going on here: the New York Times, Al Sharpton and the legions of bubus in this country have based their conclusions about this matter entirely on the basis of the race of the actors. The media even went so far as to invent a new term--"white Hispanics" "birthers".

[Gus]

Yes Sue, the dishonest LIBTARD wanted to win. Despite the truth.

[Some Guy]

I just watched the video at LI of Ms. Jeantel’s interview with the Rev(sic) Sharpton.

It’s pretty fascinating, as the professor says, “It’s loathsome that Al Sharpton has a show on MSNBC, but he did bring out the best in Ms. Jeantel.”

However, she did slip with a “tell” toward the end…

“16 months, well I think 17 months; work hard, try’n to make sure this a case; a quilty case”

The truth isn't work, hard or otherwise.

[Dr. Weevil]

bunkerbuster asked a question on the 1118-comment thread, but didn't stick around for the answer. I hope no one will object if I quote the answer I gave there, since he's still calling his opponents "identity conservatives".

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bunkerbuster writes: "I am certainly open to ideas about other terms that would more accurately describe people like the regulars here at JOM. Any suggestions?"

How about 'normal human beings'? Not trolls, not fools, and not (how to put this politely?) proctological specimens. That's the only thing most of us here have in common, and 'normal human beings' certainly excludes the boys with the reduplicated initials (BB, DD - no relation to DeeDee - and QQ) who all fall into one or more of the exception categories.

[Dr. Weevil]

Sue wrote: "GZ had as much right to be on that street, that night, as TM did." Actually, I think he had more right. GZ actually lived in the neighborhood, and paid rent there. TM was just visiting, staying where his father's new girlfriend paid the rent.

[Sue]

I said it that way because people are trying to claim GZ was doing something illegal by following TM. He wasn't.

[Danube on iPad]

Sue, people are trying to pin something - anything - on GZ because, if one accepts sufficient distortions and hypocrisies, he is "white." As the Scott case - and the many Florida cases in which SYG has been successfully set up as a defense by black defendants -shows, there can be no other reason.

The race-hustling industry and the left seized on this incident as an opportunity to scold America for its wickedness. It has blown up in their face like an exploding cigar, and I for one am delighted.

Thank God that Roderick Scott got justly treated. We can hope in vain that George Zimmerman will fare as well.

[Gus]

Danube. Holder is our AG. He is a fucking joke. Holder is and always has been an AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CLOWN.
Obama. LIKE WISE.

[1Have Blue1]

OT (and possibly untimely(am still on page 8 of the "Keeping the Dream Alive thread))

Have seen several comments critisizing Asiana airlines for "having a new pilot instructor training a pilot for the first time." By definition every instructor teaches new pilots. Every instructor at some point in the beginning of his career teaches his first student. That student, almost by definition, is a new pilot (at least in type).

Admittedly they usually manage not to crash the aircraft.

[bunkerbuster]

DoT claims:
``The idea that Zimmerman was justified in believing that he intended to inflict great bodily harm was evident to the jury.''

Wrong. the only thing we know was "evident" to the jury was the existence of reasonable doubt about evidence showing Zimmerman WAS NOT justified in believing Martin wanted to kill or gravely harm him.

Since DoT has invested so much time lecturing a strawman that the burden of proof lay entirely with the state, it could seem a little odd now that he's arguing the jury somehow concluded that Martin was guilty of assault, as if he were the one on trial.
It's not surprising. DoT obviously knows better, but he's so emotionally invested in identity conservatism, he can't help but pull shit out of ass, even when he knows it smells like shit.

[bgates]

FBI stats say less than 6 percent of U.S. murders in 2011 were committed with "fists, hands, feet or pushing.'' Take a wild guess at how many of those would have been [sic] teenage boys beating grown men they never met to death

More than the number of cases in which a neighborhood watch guy "murdered" a teenager after calling for the police, I suppose.

Martin had no motive

Interesting how plain racial animus isn't considered a plausible explanation for the behavior of anybody in this case except the Obama voter, innit? I also enjoy how malleable St Trayvon continues to be - he's an innocent, defenseless child; but also the sort of perfectly wise old soul who would take no action without sober reflection and a well-considered rationale; yet also the sort of person who anyone could have expected to explode into violence upon being approached at night....

[bgates]

Suppose a member of the neighborhood watch - in a neighborhood that has been the target of numerous burglaries and break-ins - sees an innocent, defenseless child walking alone at night in the rain.

Should the neighborhood watchman leave the child to wander alone and hope he finds his way to wherever he's going before he runs into any thieves, rapists, or Republicans? Ought he to abandon this waif, a little urchin so young he could stay on his parents' health insurance for another ten years (or possibly even on his father's girlfriend's policy), to his fate?

Is it truly every man and child for him and/or herself, the way the plots of John Wayne movies are imagined to transpire by people who have never seen a John Wayne movie?

Or should our watchman take to heart the words of our esteemed former Secretary of State, who famously had someone write for her the immortal phrase, "It Takes a Village"?

[bgates]

Zimmerman's injuries were minor, requiring no medical attention.

If the seriousness of blunt force trauma is so simple to evaluate that it can be reliably self-diagnosed by a gun owner while he's getting punched in the face, why the f@ck did the country need Obamacare? Medicine is apparently not that hard.

[Real Retarded Sir]

"he can't help but pull shit out of ass, even when he knows it smells like shit."

It looks like someone is a graduate of the Rachel Jeantel School of Debate and graduated with honors (thats a 3.0...including about 2.9 of grade inflation)

[Janet --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...]

Trayvon was shot while trying to kill Zimmerman, not because he was acting suspicious.

Exactly, boris.

[anonamom]

Dr. Weevil, 11:54--my response was
"responsible, informed adults"
but I never posted it as I realized he isn't looking for a discussion, is he?

Re: smashing someone's head on concrete with enough force to fracture a skull: remember Liam Neeson's wife/ Vanessa Redgrave's daughter (?Natasha Richardson?) died from her head hitting SNOW.

The most common reason is that a blood vessel under the skull gets torn and bleeds (epidural bleed), eventually taking up the extremely limited free space in the skull where the brain is, pushing the brain down towards the opening at the base where the spinal cord joins it, and eventfully herniating---pushing so much of the brainstem through that the blood supply to the brain is cut off.
You die.

When these people are brought to the OR in this state, the neurosurgeon takes the cap off the bottle of Betadyne, pours it over the patient's head---patient has already been intubated in ER or ambulance--as we move him to the OR table--grabs a scalpel and starts his procedure as we are getting a blood pressure cuff and EKG pads on.
And often that isn't fast enough.

Having one's head bashed on the concrete is a very easy way to make that happen.

How incredibly ill informed are the people who keep saying this was not a life threatening situation??

[Patriot4Freedom]

Stunning comments last night on MSDNC by Eric Michael Dyson (noted "All whites are racists" professor of sociology) regarding Holder and DOJ investigation of Zimmerman. Says, wrt a DOJ investigation:

"...unless we do this, white Americans and others will feel that this was a justifiable verdict, this is how things happen. Not until, and unless, the number of white kids die that approximate the numbers of black and other kids who die, will America see."

IMO, his comments were willfully vague, and meant to stir up controversy, given their ability to be understood as meaning different things by different audiences.

MFM blackout on his comments is near total this morning. LUN

[fdcol63]

"The LEFT is COMPLETELY NUTS."

Indeed. Sad, but true.

[Patriot4Freedom]

anonamom -

Some of them are just terribly ill-informed.
But many of them willfully keep saying this was not a life-threatening situation because they have to justify Trayvon's illegal assault of Zimmerman. A life-threatening attack doesn't fit the false narrative they're spinning.

We need to coin a new term, similar to Lenin's famous "Useful Idiots" term for those people who unwittingly advanced communism's aims.

We need a term for those who, like bubu, duda, kaka and the Pitzer Putz, knowingly misstate the facts, or repeat a proven falsehood, as a means of advancing their particular propaganda.

I am partial to either "Willful Idiots" or "Willful Liars."

[Jane]

I'm already following you Jimmy, I just checked.

Zimmerman was NOT following skittles. He called the police, they asked where he was, he went out to look at the name of the street, turned around, proceeded back to his car when he was jumped by the punk.

Holder needs to be impeached. With the approval of idiots like bubu he is targeting innocent hispanics and putting them in immense danger.

Perhaps bubu will be his next target. Who will defend you bubu?

[Threadkiller]

Baiters...

[JIB]

Good. Let the DoJ bring on a civil rights case against Zimmerman. As I understand it the rules of evidence and discovery are liberal and flexible in Federal court than in State courts.

If so, won't the defense be able to bring up Trayvon's prior sins like burglary, fighting, guns, etc.?

Plus won't the defense be able to bring up the fact that GZ is part black, his tutoring and the defense of the black homeless guy, etc.?

Do the dems and their partners in crime the race hustlers, Holder and the CBC really want to start this process of giving the WH, the Senate and all of Congress back to the Republicans? I hope so, because either before or just after 2016 there should be at least 4 SCOTUS vacancies and that is the grand prize.

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While we sit here, putting up with the phony smokescreens thrown up by the leftists who post here; The communist takeover of the US continues at a rapid pace.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/obamas-seizure-of-the-heartland-executive-order-13575-laying-the-groundwork-for-agenda-21/

http://www.redstate.com/2013/07/18/the-fix-was-in-ousted-nlrb-member-offered-general-counsel-job-one-day-after-senate-deal/

Every Republican Senator who supported this deal should be primaried by Americans willing to defend America. The Senators who supported the compromise are helping destroy America, IMO.

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It's in their nature, Jib, btw did you get started on Silva,

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Oh apparently one of the candidates the IRS leaked tax records were Christine O'Donnell's, isn't that lovely.

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with that intern story - http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rediculous-reporters-mock-sneer-at-daily-caller-intern-who-dared-ask-jay-carney-a-question/

The federal government can send people to stir up trouble for the Zimmermans & they can ask the nation to hunt up dirt on the Zimmermans....but the Zimmermans can expect no help from the federal government.

What a shameful government.

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Remember this 'two minute hate'

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/17/former-gop-senate-candidate-christine-odonnell-tol/

[Anonymous]

... and to think that on every college campus there are student counselors, aka, psychologists, who rationalize exactly like "bunkerbuster" does.