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July 15, 2013

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narciso

And Yglesias, finds another way to beclown himself, I know shocker;

Stephanie

Who tweeted it?

Of all the young black shooting victims in this country, you can name 1. Because you've been trained like a circus seal to bark on command.


LOL. Answer in a few.

narciso

Ah hit's favorite, well one of them any ways;

Former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm now hosts “The War Room” on Current TV. During her March 29, 2012 show, Granholm broadcast three separate segments blaming Republicans for what she described as “the type of [gun] laws that permit George Zimmerman to walk free today.” Responding to a guest who described “stand your ground” as “a bad law … just a bad law” Granholm responded, “Of course.”

She signed SYG.

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Narciso,

Governor Jennifer LePetomane will never have any idea of what she signed or did not sign. Hedley Lamarr put it in front of her and she responded as she was programmed to respond. She's a prog, cognition just ain't innit.

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Narciso,

Governor Jennifer LePetomane will never have any idea of what she signed or did not sign. Hedley Lamarr put it in front of her and she responded as she was programmed to respond. She's a prog, cognition just ain't innit.

fdcol63

If the Left were to gets its way, thousands more black and Hispanic males will be incarcerated. Gangbangers use it as a defense much more than whitey.

narciso

Yes, that was one of the complaints about it's implementation, but why let facts get in the way, right?

narciso

Remember that line about 'the frog and the scorpion:

http://twitchy.com/2013/07/16/dream-defenders-occupy-gov-rick-scotts-office-for-trayvon/

Stephanie

Iowahawk, natch.

Frau Wut

I hope there's a good college which can build on her talents.

Jeantel, who is black, speaks three languages, Haitian Creole, Spanish and English. Constantine said those facts showed she was a bright young woman who was "profiled" by Juror B-37. (USA Today)

It's so sad that Cleo's Putzer College for Feather Merchants is not a "black" college.


jimmyk

If she speaks Creole and Spanish like she speaks English, one might say she's not exactly fluent.

Enlightened

"Maybe we should fill that site with tips about Holder."

Or carpet bomb it with tips all pro GZ. Like "Did you know GZ mentored young black kids?" and send it once every 5 minutes or so.

Another good one is "Did you know GZ took a black date to the prom?"

This strongarm tactic by the DOJ and all the accessories to the witch hunt deserves to be totally shit on.

On a separate note - I am very impressed with Robert Zimmerman and his steadfast commitment to talking these assholes down. His is a very lonely place now. He has a bounty on his head as well.

Yessiree the chickens have come home to roost. That is the perfect descriptor of all these jackals - chicken shits. I would LOVE to see Al Sharpton, or an even worse POS - Toure' go one on one with Robert. It will never happen because they are chicken shits that feed on lies and innuendo and have no idea what the facts are.


Enlightened

"Constantine said those facts showed she was a bright young woman who was "profiled" by Juror B-37."

That's a good one - she can speak three languages but at 19 is still in High School.
Constantine should sign her up for Mensa.

willem

There was always something about Eric Holder I just couldn't put my finger on. Then I suddenly realized who Eric Holder really is.

I'm almost certain he's the illegitimate son of Headley Lamarr.

Revelation at LUN.

Now, about Cleavon and that birth certificate thing ...

Some Guy

"Constantine said those facts showed she was a bright young woman who was "profiled" by Juror B-37."

She's not just bright! She can profile a crazy ass-cracker over the phone. Without ever seeing GZ see profiled him as rapist who preys on young men. That's got to be some kind of genius...

jimmyk

It's hard to imagine something more insidious (and at the same time, harebrained) than Holder's tip line on Zimmerman. I agree it's everyone's civic duty to saturate the e-mail address with positives about Zimmerman, ridicule of Holder, and general spam. The address is supposed to be Sanford.florida@usdoj.gov.

rich@gmu

It's hard to imagine something more insidious (and at the same time, harebrained) than Holder's tip line on Zimmerman.

****

wtf? good grief. so what is the over/under on when the administration goes after Zimmerman on federal charges? revolting.

Dave (in MA)

I heard a CBS radio news announcer say that Holder spoke out against the Stand Your Ground law that was used to defend Zimmerman. They can't keep their story straight.

Danube on iPad

"...the DOJ had held a Monday conference call 'calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information' that would help build a case against Zimmerman."

This is extraordinarily unethical behavior, although it is not as rare as it should be. When a prosecuting authority identifies an individual and then seeks to find a crime with which he can be charged, liberty is threatened.

Bobby Kennedy did it with Jimmy Hoffa. Giuliani did it with Milken and others. It always stinks.

jimmyk

Yes, here's the story on the tip line:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/16/DOJ-phone-call-Zimmerman

jimmyk

Wow, the comments at Dave's 1:27am link dump all over Holder--and it's a CBS News site. I suspect this crap isn't playing as well with the public as Holder thinks.

Meanwhile, Dr K has slipped a notch:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/353610/krauthammers-take-eric-holder-handled-zimmerman-case-well-nro-staff

Steve

Rush Limbaugh: Thanks To Rachel Jeantel I Can Say 'N*gga With An A' Now Because 'It's Not Racist'

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/07/rush-limbaugh-so-now-we-can-all-say-n.html

narciso

Yes, it's fully a fully CDR notion, that's the abbreviation for the block committees where Steadman sent Elian to be a Young Pioneer.

Marlene

Gawd,I woke up to an insane world! Jeantel has a college fund and Tsnarev is on the cover of the Rolling Stone.

narciso

Definitely crimethink, certainly doubleunplusgood'

narciso

You know I had some reservations about him, but he seems to be one of the few, who asks any question;

narciso

Ah this might be a good subject for a thread, Tom;

pagar

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/confirmed-doj-helped-bogus-student-group-linked-to-acorn-target-george-zimmerman-video/

Marlene @06:46 has it right.
This stuff is insane!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-shootings-violence-july-16-to-17-2-shot-on-south-side-20130716,0,1178959.story

Meanwhile the entire leftist world is concentrated on one man in Florida.

Jeff Dobbs

Jane:
It's close to impossible to get to the end of a thread on an IPad.

I don't use an iPad - so whilst I know this works on a computer, I don't know if it's the same on the iPad -- but to get to the end of a long thread...

1) Open the thread and go to the bottom where the » is.
2) Right click and copy the link.
3) Paste the link in the address bar.
4) Where you see /page/2/#/comments, put a 9 in front of the 2 (to make it say 92) and click go or enter or whatever else.

You will then be taken to the last page of the thread - typepad will substitute your 92 for whatever the actual last page of the thread is, without having to go to each page to get to the end.

Jeff Dobbs

Stupid Zimmerman-related article of the day.

The article begins..."In a case that bears some striking similarities to George Zimmerman's".

Do tell...

The story is that an old white man thinks a black kid next door has stolen his shotguns. Confronts him in the driveway. Kid denies it. Old man shoots the kid. Kid didn't attack him, didn't threaten him didn't do so much as get close to him.

Wow. Well, several ways the article is "striking", but "similarities" to the Zimmerman case is not among them.

boris

My method ...

  1. Open the thread and go to the bottom where the » is;
  2. Right click and copy the link;
  3. Paste the link in the Post a comment box;
  4. Where you see /page/2/#/comments, put a 9 in front of the 2 (to make it say 92);
  5. Click on Preview;
  6. Click on the link in the preview text;

Eg ... http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2013/07/times-editors-on-zimmerman-acquital-keep-the-dream-alive/comments/page/99/#comments

narciso

Vizzini is their watchword, hit, so they are having vapors over Liz running, well she's following in her pop's footsets, sort of

Jack is Back!

I am on an iPad right now and all I do is go to the URLwindow above press one finger over it and at the end of the script change the /8/#comments to a much higher page number. No big deal.

Jane

Hit.

The problem on the IPAD is you can't get to the 2.

H D

"The problem on the IPAD is you can't get to the 2."

Once you forward to the 2nd page, tap on the address line it should take u to the end of the address. Try double tapping on the number and it should highlight it. Then tpye in the high number u want. (Eg qt)

anonamom

Peter Wehner, Deconstructing Reality and Zimmerman:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/07/16/deconstructing-reality-and-zimmerman/

Holder:

"... We are committed to standing with the people of Sanford, with the individuals and families affected by this incident, and with our state and local partners in order to alleviate tensions, address community concerns, and promote healing..."

Promote healing??? Did he go to medical school or law school??
Do I have a basic misunderstanding about what Rule of Law means?

I thought it was something like this:
http://worldjusticeproject.org/what-rule-law

Nothing about healing, easing tensions, or meeting community concerns there.

Actually, nursing is the profession that would meet those desires best.

bunkerbuster

I keep reading that Trayvon Martin was a "thug." But there is zero evidence of that.
If Martin was a guy who randomly attacked strangers he encountered, why is there not one single incident of that sort on his police or school record? Not one. Zero, zip, zilch, NADA.
bgates even hallucinates that if Zimmerman hadn't chased Martin down, that Martin would have found another stranger and beat them to death. What sort of fantasy is at work there? Martin was out on his own, free to seek out victims anywhere and at a location of his choosing, had he such an inclination. But of course that didn't happen, and there is no record of that ever happening, so the idea that he was so inclined is utterly without substance.
Contrast that with Zimmerman's record: arrested an an assault charge and at least one restraining order, plus a history of wanting to play cop.
You guys should listen up to NK, and more. The way you all go on about Trayvon being a thug and a would-be murderer, there is simply no rational conclusion other than that you are compelled to take any opportunity to foment antipathy and mistrust of Afro-Americans.
Why else would you pile assumption after assumption on about a person who has NO RECORD WHATSOEVER OF VIOLENCE.
You all know how hard the defense tried and failed to find even one tiny scrap of evidence that Martin was involved in violence of any kind.
No gang tats, no gang colors, no history whatsoever of gang activity and no evidence of violence.
And no evidence that Martin attacked first. Injuries to Martin's hands are evidence that he indeed hit Zimmerman. But they are not evidence that he started the fight, any more than the cuts and bruises all over a victorious MMA fighter's face are evidence that he didn't win the fight.
We know Zimmerman pursued Martin. That is undeniable. You can imagine that perhaps he wasn't literally chasing Martin down at the very moment he drew the gun and killed Martin, but it is utterly beyond dispute that the record shows Zimmerman pursuing Martin.
So we can establish beyond a doubt that Zimmerman had a motive to confront Martin. He thought he might be a criminal.
Where is the motive for Martin attacking Zimmerman?
While it is theoretically possible that Martin suddenly, out of nowhere, gained an appreciation for random fistfighting, there is simply no evidence that that's the case and there is clear evidence of some level of pre-existing animosity on Zimmerman's part toward Zimmerman.
Again, at least listen to NK. Cheer on killers all you want in private -- there's nothing to stop you. But if you sincerely want to help rid American conservatism of its racist reputation, try sticking to the facts of this case and, most importantly, that although it was never proven that Zimmerman had malicious intent, we know he killed a young man and that that young man was absolutely innocent as of the moment he encountered Zimmerman and had no record whatsoever of any violence.

Perhaps you should also consider how all the fevered predictions of certain mob violence and retaliation against jurors makes identity conservatism look: paranoid, hateful and ignorant.
While I don't foresee riots or juror assassinations, I do have to think it will be tempting for ordinary Americans to provoke fights with Zimmerman and, even, kill him in such a fight, as long as there are no witnesses.

narciso

So, the Ransom of Red Chief is turning out as expected,

narciso

And the Egyptian govt, proves they are still a necessary evil at best.

Patriot4Freedom

I don't know about any of you, but I have a very bad feeling about the false narrative being propagandized about St. Trayvon of Skittles.

I am concerned that it is going to be used by oBOzo, the POSAG, the MFM, and all the ususal prog suspects to completely derail any criticism of oBOzo's administration.

And it has the added benefit of sidetracking any enquiries into the F&F, AP/Rosen, Benghazi and IRS scandals for the next few months, at a minimum.

Has the potential to be a "Look, squirrel!" of Tyrannosaurus Rex proportions.

Patriot4Freedom

Someone's fixation on "identity conservatism" makes them look paranoid, hateful and ignorant.

Jane

HD,

Trust me, I;ve tried it a hundred times. Maybe it's just my Ipad, but it cannot be done.

Bubu,

Martin was indeed a thug. My guess is your sources of information don't report on that stuff. Oh well. C'est la vie

bunkerbuster

Pat: as I've explained many times, I use the term identity conservative to describe people who consider their political ideology an essential element of the personal identity and, correspondingly, feel personally affronted by challenges to their ideology.
It's amusing, and telling, that so many JOMer's unwittingly confess that they find the term pejorative.
And again, I am certainly open to ideas about other terms that would more accurately describe people like the regulars here at JOM. Any suggestions?

Skoot

"...describe people who consider their political ideology an essential element of the personal identity and, correspondingly, feel personally affronted by challenges to their ideology." = paranoid, hateful and ignorant.

Ignatz

--I keep reading that Trayvon Martin was a "thug." But there is zero evidence of that.--

Well even disregarding his own braggadocio on the matter and his history of apparent theft and enough trouble-making to get himself kicked out of his house, surely beating a man who even by your fictional account did nothing more than follow him around would seem to qualify as evidence.

But then you lefties seem to consider facts you don't like not to qualify as evidence, which explains a great deal actually about your own ideology.

narciso

About Jahar, it reminds me of how in the aftermath of the Van Gogh murder, a whole host of European notables (Buruma, Garton Ash, Lilla) found context in the murderer
Bouyeri's act

Jane

" I am certainly open to ideas about other terms that would more accurately describe people like the regulars here at JOM. Any suggestions?"

Why on earth would you care?

James D.

Completely OT, I just found out that the audiobook for my first novel is officially on sale as of today...

http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_1?asin=B00DY8XX4A&qid=1374066251&sr=1-1

It's on Audible.com now, and it should available on Amazon and also on iTunes soon. Obviously, I'm very excited about this!

Threadkiller

Bunker, I am doing this for both of us. Please listen to this entire section of testimony (about 30 min) and tell me what you hear.

http://m.wftv.com/videos/news/day-13-trayvons-friends-testimony-part-7/v5QBR/

I will tell you what I gathered from the testimony after you report back on your findings.

Rob Crawford

James "Provincial" Taranto mal-informs the public that it's been 20 years since the last "race riot".

Gosh, I guess that little dust-up in Cincinnati never happened?

Rob Crawford
Someone's fixation on "identity conservatism" makes them look paranoid, hateful and ignorant.

Nah. Everything else they say makes them look paranoid, hateful, and ignorant. Their use of a nonsense, pseudo-intellectual term just makes them look like a clown.

Account Deleted

"Why on earth would you care?"

Jane,

The progressive Socratic diarhetic (think manure spreader with warp drive) requires simple labels to balance out willful blindness. The self portrait of the President's Punk in his own words and pictures doesn't touch what passes for the mind of a prog any more than the absolute fact progressive gosnels slaughter more innocent blacks every four days than KKK lynch mobs killed in the entire history of the Klan does.

When you scratch a prog, you wound a racist genocidaire as well as a consummate liar.

Jeff Dobbs

This thread has now broken into the Top 10 Most Commented Threads in JOM History.

Congrats James D. - both for the audio book coming out, and for being the person whose comment made this a Top 10 thread.

Rob Crawford
After reading this thread, I noticed that some people think that it's relevant whether someone in a protector role is able to kick ass without a gun.

What's struck me is how so many of the people opposed to self-defense couch it in the same language a bully uses. Don't want to let J. Random Thug beat you up? YOU'RE A WUSS!!!

I figure the people who object to self-defense are, themselves, bullies. They're terrified at the thought that previously safe targets might suddenly have claws.

DebinNC

Please listen to Temar Boggs: LUN

Why isn't his name a household word today? Where are the black leaders lauding his bravery? Does his non-ebonics manner of speech disqualify him as genuinely black? Why is Trayvon lionized but Temar ignored?

henry

Hit, does it get an asterisk for TP misbehavior era threads?

Jeff Dobbs

Official Ruling: No asterisk.

For Those Keeping Score at Home: The thread this one has displaced is the one announcing Sarah Palin's selection to be McCain's vp pick.

And if TM doesn't show up, it will quickly rise to the #7 slot in about an hour, and #4 around afternoon rush hour.

centralcal

Good questions, Deb!

James D.

Congrats James D. - both for the audio book coming out, and for being the person whose comment made this a Top 10 thread.

I'd like to thank the Academy...

pagar

"Why on earth would you care?"

Here's a typical phony carer.

Left Americans she was responsible for unprotected to be murdered and yet claims to care.

http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/woman-who-left-four-americans-to-die-in-benghazi-broken-up-over-zimmerman-verdict/

Over in Texas phony carers have sent over a million dollars in contributions to a women who is leading the fight for people to be able to kill more inconvenient children. Leftists are rioting in support of their desire to kill more inconvenient children.

In Chicago, there are no riots to stop the killing of 16 yr olds like Joseph Brewer,JR.

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130716/south-deering/father-of-slain-16-year-old-they-shot-my-baby-down

jimmyk

Didn't it come out that Trayvon punched a school bus driver? It also came out that he'd been suspended, but I'm sure it was for chewing gum. (bubu is probably not aware that it takes a lot these days to get suspended.) Of course bubu the clown knows that juvie and school records are confidential and weren't allowed to be placed in evidence in the trial, but bubu seems to know what's in those records. Puzzling.

bunkerbuster

Killer: West is blatantly brow-beating the witness and trying to confuse her. Dee Dee is obviously extremely nervous and defensive. Nothing she says is credible one way or the other and that is mostly because West took advantage of her nervousness and lack of verbal dexterity.
I don't understand how anyone would give her testimony any weight at all in this case.

NK

Reading last night's thread comments, I want to thank jimmyK for posting my thoughts about DeeDee, i am quite confident she speaks Creole and Spanish with the same incomprehensible Ebonics as her 'English'-- calling Prof. Higgins;
and RickB's Blazing Saddles references was laugh out loud funny.

Question: for RobC, Ignatz, Alice,and other CC permit holders and gun owners. Is there NRA or other gun owner organization published advice regarding reporting suspected criminal behavior while CC carrying and 'responsible' CC conduct generally? I read Kathleen Parker this morning -- what a waste of brain cells she is-- I'm interested in the advice given by gun owner organizations.

JIB

DebinNC's 9:28 link is a must listen.

It does raise the question why Tamar Boggs didn't stay in his house watching TV instead of following the perp who kidnapped the little girl. Isn't that the same question all the Progs are asking?

And according to B37 Tamar Boggs is guilty of using Bad Judgement.

jimmyk

I think Jane's difficulty with the iPad is one that I've had: Depending on how you get to a page, the URL can be extremely long, so the "/2/" part can be well to the left of the box, and there's no simple way to get to it that I'm aware of.

However, what often (I'm not sure about always) works for me is to click on the date of a post on whatever page you are on. That takes me straight to the last page of the thread. (It also adds all the gobbledygook to the end of the URL.)

NK

Temar Boggs-- agreed Deb, that young man has more common sense and guts than every Legacy Media talking head, combined, well spoken for a kid his age, great story;

Bubu says DeeDee is nervous speaking under oath and has poor verbal skills-- RACIST!!!

Threadkiller

Nothing she says is credible? If I said that I'm certain I would be considered an identity racist.

Here is what I garnered: she describes how Travon communicates to her when he about to get in a confrontation (physical or otherwise) and she confirms her lack of concern for Travon's well being by not calling authorities.

She is perfectly clear that she had an understanding of Trayvon's typical M.O. when it came to his battles. To paraphrase: "he would have said 'I'll call you back' if he was going to initiate a confrontation."

How would she know that of it did not ever happen like this before?

Account Deleted

"Why is Trayvon lionized but Temar ignored?"

DebinNC,

Temar's parents or grandparents fled a Blue Hell Democrat Plantation, quite possibly because of the Trayvons living there. In doing so they diminished the political power of the Black Klan and the racist leaders who make their living through organizing grievance among the remaining Trayvons and Jeantels.

Why would a power structure based upon penning blacks on their Plantations (and then killing their babies) elevate an example of what may occur after a successful escape?

henry

NK, I don't know what advice is published. However the NRA CC instructor put it this way "Forget Castle doctrine and Stand Your Ground stuff. You do not want the Mark of Cain. Get away from the problem as quickly as you can, things and ego aren't important. If you can't get away, hit the target." Zimmerman's actions are entirely consistent with that advice. He reported suspicious behavior to the police, did not confront TM (TM confronted him twice, then escalated), and hit the target when his life was in danger and he couldn't get away.

bunkerbuster

Ignutz: Martin's fight with Zimmerman is evidence that Trayvon is a thug in exactly the same way that Zimmerman's shooting of Martin is evidence that George is a murderer.
It's hilarious that you confess to being persuaded by the tautology: the evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman is that he attacked Zimmerman.
Again, as I made clear before, there was no evidence of violence of any kind in Martin's record, which was scrutinized in excruciating detail by the defense. Not one example of violence by Martin: zip, zero, zilch, nada.
Hilariously, jimmyk resorts to the "didn't it come out that'' assertion as if we aren't smart enough to understand that what he actually means is: "I know this isn't true, but someone said it somewhere, so I'm repeating it because I really don't like Afro-Americans and I'll use any excuse I can find to try and get away with fomenting mistrust and antipathy toward them.''
Again, Martin had no record of violence. The rumors and rumors of rumors jimmyk and others cite are no better than the invented narrative that has Zimmerman as a member of a secret nazi hit squad.

Threadkiller

...he is...

Some Guy

”I keep reading that Trayvon Martin was a "thug." But there is zero evidence of that.”

“the defense tried and failed to find even one tiny scrap of evidence that Martin was involved in violence of any kind.”

bb, this is trying too hard to ignore contrary evidence, rather than talk about the evidence.

Why, if TM was such angel, and there was zero evidence to the contrary, did the prosecution take such fastidious avoidance of any positive mention of TM’s character? The answer to that question negates your entire assertion.

The prosecution KNEW there was more than zero evidence, in fact, they apparently knew that there was so much evidence, that it would blow up their case and they couldn’t risk it being seen by the jury.

Threadkiller

Bunker, was there no record or no available record?

bunkerbuster

jimmy: you assert that there were school records of Martin being involved in violence. Have you seen those records, or are you just making it up as you go along?

Rob Crawford

the defense tried and failed to find even one tiny scrap of evidence that Martin was involved in violence of any kind.

This is a lie. The defense had plenty of such evidence -- despite the efforts of the prosecution -- but the "judge" ignored precedence and block its admittance as evidence.

As Some Guy said, this is why the prosecution was so careful not to talk about St. Skittles AT ALL. The moment they asserted anything about his character, they opened the possibility of the facts being allowed into evidence.

DublinDave

All this Zimmerania has distracted the American public from the Democrats massive Senate victory yesterday. All the President's nominees will finally get elected yaaaaaayyy!!!

I guess Republicans realize that 'sulking' isn't a that great political strategy after all. How long has this sulk gone on now-5 years?

And the best part; McConells caucus circumvented his leadership to make the deal. Roflmao.... ooooouch. Humiliation on an epic scale!!!!! And now I'm reading that McConell went to Reids office 15 before Reid took to the floor and tried to cut a deal..... and Reid told him to go to hell.... hahahahahaahah...(contrary to popular belief today I'm actually not drinking)

DublinDave

sorry...Zimmermania(i'd been working on that for hours)....oh and 15 minutes before Reid took to da floor!!!

Ranger

Notice how Bubu waits until the tread is about to die before he shows up to dump his "There is absolutely no evidence that TM was violent" lie.

bunkerbuster

Killer: there are numerous plausible explanations for why a person would expect someone they were talking to on a cell phone to say "I will call you back" if they were in fact intended to attack someone, even if they had never known that person to attack someone.
When Dee Dee's testimony was not incoherent, it was mostly irrational. Your suggestion that we can nonetheless leap logical chasms to arrive at an assertion that she had to have known Trayvon was a fighter is a sad demonstration of just how gullible you really are.
Even if Dee Dee was perfectly rational and crisply coherent, there is no reason to jump from her statement that she would have expected Trayvon to say he'd call back if he were going to attack someone, to an assumption that she must know him to have done so in the past. It's really a simple deduction: If someone were going to initiate fisticuffs, they'd have to hang up the phone first and would most likely give the other party warning they were going to do so: that's perfectly plausible and absolutely rational deduction that any normal person would make.
I know, I know WEST SAYS Dee Dee knew Travyon was the one who started the fight. WEST SAYS Trayvon must have been hiding.
Tragically, the prosecution let West getting away with questioning Dee Dee as if she had to have known what happened, when it's obvious that she had know way of knowing what actually happened on that night.

bunkerbuster

Rob: what evidence? Show, don't tell. I've seen none whatsoever: only hilariously naked assertions like jimmyk's "wasn't it said that" and stuff about doctored Facebook photos, twitter comments and what Dee Dee must have known but didn't say...
Are you too just making stuff up? If the defense didn't bring the evidence, how do you know it exists?

NK

TM's bad Conduct Evidence: the Sanford PD and then State PD investigators reviewed lots of information about TM, and even conducted tests on his cell phone to learn more about his associations and contacts in order to determine if there was any link between him and GZ. Most of the evidence was turned over to GZ's lawyers in discovery (some Tech testing on TM's phone was apparently not turned over, and an IT whistleblower in Corey's office was fired over that-- that may lead to a wrongful dismissal lawsuit against Corey by the fired IT guy, or a motion for sanctions against Corey for prosedutorial misconduct-- calling Prof. Dershowitz). The STATE chose NOT to put into evidence any background about TM (good character, reputation of good conduct)-- that would have 'opened the door' for the defense to put into evidence of TM's violent character reputation and conduct. Without the State putting in evidence of TM's 'good conduct', the Court probably correctly denied all defense attempts to put in bad reputation and conduct references.

Ignatz

--Ignutz: Martin's fight with Zimmerman is evidence that Trayvon is a thug in exactly the same way that Zimmerman's shooting of Martin is evidence that George is a murderer.
It's hilarious that you confess to being persuaded by the tautology: the evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman is that he attacked Zimmerman.--

How can a man who can write coherent sentences seem so damned stupid? His ideology, that's how. A black kid got shot and because he's black he couldn't have been at fault. Would you be here making these assertions if Z had shot a white guy? We both know the answer to that is 'no'.

The evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman is the numerous pictures ad witness accounts that Z was injured with various lacerations and a broken nose. The only injuries noted on TM were his knuckles being bruised which is entirely consistent with him attacking and beating down Z.

jimmyk

Have you seen those records

Of course not, idiot, you were the only one claiming to know what they did and did not contain. But some of the twitter data that was not allowed in evidence referred to Trayvon having punched a bus driver.

It also came out that the school was in the habit of not writing up criminal behavior of young blacks, with the goal of reducing crime rates.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

bunkerbuster

Some Guy: the prosecution didn't avoid discussion of Trayvon's character because they knew he had a history of violence, they avoided discussion of his character because they neither wanted nor needed him to become a defendant, given his inability to testify and the lack of eyewitnesses to his killing.
Rather, they reasoned that it was necessary to keep the focus on Zimmerman's character: and there too the judge disallowed mention of his assault arrest and restraining order.

Some Guy

Dee Dee ...it's obvious that she had know way of knowing what actually happened on that night.

So why did the State call her as a witness? Without her, there never would have been a trial. She WAS their STAR WITNESS, but now you agree that she didn't know a thing.

Awesome.

Ignatz

Here is some evidence bubu. Trayvon's own words that he participated in underground fights.
Do you consider his own comments evidence?
If you're honest enough to then say you're sorry and shut up.

Some Guy

Rather, they reasoned that it was necessary to keep the focus on Zimmerman's character

That's retarded sir.

Prosecutors ALWAYS talk about the victim, and they always lay it on as heavy as possible.

Jeralyn Merritt wrote a long post about it, you should read it. The prosecutors KNEW there was more than zero evidence, and they didn't want the jury to hear it. End of story.

Ignatz

--Some Guy: the prosecution didn't avoid discussion of Trayvon's character because they knew he had a history of violence, they avoided discussion of his character because they neither wanted nor needed him to become a defendant, given his inability to testify and the lack of eyewitnesses to his killing. --

And here is a USA Today story detailing the evidence the prosecution wanted excluded including "Texts and video that suggest that Martin was involved in organized fights."

Are you a liar or just a dumbass too lazy to research anything before you shoot your damn mouth off?

And while we're at it, is Afghanistan still not in Asia?

bunkerbuster

Sorry Jimmy, but comments on a twitter feed don't count as evidence. They could have been sent by anyone, about anyone. I'm sure you know better than that, but lack the integrity to admit it when it contradicts your compulsion to smear an Afro-American. Same goes for the assertion that the school doesn't report violence. How in hell do you arrive at the conclusion that that constitutes evidence Martin was a thug who liked to fight? Astounding really. You'll take even the seediest, feeblest chance to smear Martin, just because he happens to be an Afro-American.
Again, there's nothing in Martin's record that pointed to violence. You can pick stuff out of your ass, like text messages and twitter feeds that don't say anything relevant and aren't even verified, but none of it adds up to evidence of any kind that Martin was a thug who liked to fight.


Some Guy: Where are you getting that Dee Dee was the state's "star" witness? I don't see how anyone would believe that: not the state, not you and certainly not me.
Perhaps if her memory was clearer of what happened in the phone call or if the phone call was more definitive in some way, it might have been useful.
As to why the state even called her as a witness, I can only guess they expected her to be more cogent.

Some Guy

bb, without Dee Dee, there never would have been a trial. That, in the real world, should tell you something about the quality of the State's case.

bunkerbuster

Ignutz: the USA Today story doesn't "detail the evidence." It merely repeats the description the defense made of material it sought to have entered and even that description is vague, saying that video and texts:
``suggests Martin was involved in organized fighting.''
USA Today provides no independent description of the evidence, nor does it make any assertion about the actual content of evidence the defense sought to include.
But if Martin was indeed involved in anything like this, why isn't there a witness or a police report or, indeed, video, of him fighting?
Such evidence simply doesn't exist and the only rational conclusion is that it doesn't exist because Martin wasn't a thug who liked to fight.

bunkerbuster

and, yes, Ignutz: only someone ignorant of geography would call the Taliban "the terror of Asia.'' Afghanistan is in Asia in the same way that Buenos Aires is in America.

Danube on iPad

so many JOMer's unwittingly confess that they find the term pejorative

I find it extraordinarily silly. Juvenile, one might say.

jimmyk

Even Judge Farley acknowledged that authenticity of text messages was not a problem, that in general they could be admissible unless proved inauthentic. They were only not admitted because they were hearsay, though there are exceptions to the hearsay rule that probably means they should have been admitted.

But keep moving the goalposts, bubu. I guess if you get to define what constitutes "evidence," then your claim of "zero evidence" is the one that's tautological.

DebinNC

The first thing Crump did when hired was have Trayvon's school records sealed. We know his last school year Trayvon had received 3 long-term suspensions from Krop HS. Lots of calling parents, short detentions, longer detentions, in-school suspensions preceded the drastic step of removing a kid from school for 10 days. Yet, Trayvon was serving his 3rd such "sentence" that year. He was a very troubled young man going down the wrong path long before he confronted GZ.

Some Guy

Now you're just making stuff up. Without Dee Dee there never would have been a trial.

Just Google the following: Zimmerman "Star Witness"

Some Guy

Wow, I guess projection isn't just for breakfast!

Janet  --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...

Exactly, Rick @ 9:55. Makes me mindful of some of the stories of people that escaped NO after Katrina. They'd have never moved to places with good schools & so many opportunities.

jimmyk

I think we'll find out a lot more about all this if the Martin's decide (unwisely) to launch a civil suit. As for bubu's lame attempt to make this a liberal-conservative issue, I'm content to side with those known identity conservatives Alan Dershowitz and Jeralyn Merritt among others on this travesty of a prosecution.

Ignatz

From a previous link;

Even before going public, they [the prosecutors] moved to seal Martin’s school records, and with good reason. Consider this exchange between Martin and a female friend on November 21, three months before his death. After he told her he was “tired and sore” from a fight, she asked him why he fought. ”Bae” is shorthand for “babe.”

MARTIN: Cause man dat nigga snitched on me

FRIEND: Bae y you always fightinqq man, you got suspended?

MARTIN: Naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot

FRIEND: Ohh, Well Damee

MARTIN: I lost da 1st round :( but won da 2nd nd 3rd . . . .

FRIEND: Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting bae Forreal

MARTIN: Nay im not done with fool….. he gone hav 2 see me again

FRIEND: Nooo… Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh?

MARTIN: Naw but he aint breed nuff 4 me, only his nose

As his social media accounts show, Martin was a student of mixed martial arts. The fight followed the MMA format. A day later, he would tell a friend that his opponent “got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da ground nd I couldn’t do ntn.” As his girlfriend complained, Martin was “always” fighting. He was also something of a sadist. His opponent, after all, did not bleed enough.

I you have evidence that someone was parroting TM for some reason and that those are not his words, please produce it.

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