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August 26, 2013

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Ignatz

--But what Obama said was a little less clear.--

Dog bites man.

Gmax

Man when you cross red lines you make Obama so mad he might subject you to a discussion about it at the UN? How will Syria ever recover from that?

Jane -May2014 Be there or Be Square

And how to describe the the dynamic duo of Kerry/Hagel? Ren and Stempie? Lewis & Martin? Abbott & Costello?

Whatever it is, put it in dave's wiki-link please.

narciso

Wow, he has some nerve;

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/174890/

explanations in the comments;

Ranger

One word from him or his people could easily sink the HMS Pants Suit.

I didn't say it would be easy for Team Hil, but that it was the way they would have to go to be successful.

Obama's currency is fading fast at this point. No one is listening to what he says anymore.

narciso

Ah Tina Brown, this explains the need for the mimosas.

matt

I believe Obama is preparing a very stern letter and an admonition.

Gmax

SGT Ty Carter receives the Medal of Honor today. A Hero. I struggle to find things to praise Zero on, but he got one right so attaboy.

narciso

I know you are shocked;

http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2013/08/26/daily-beast-still-not-profitable-brown.html

Ignatz

Is Barry reaching his "More Mush From the Wimp" moment?

Extraneus

Going to go slash my wrists right now.

Hopefully you're still with us, AB. I'm betting that Miley made a great career move.

narciso

Meyer, Guinta, Carter, we hear so little of them, and so much of folks of little substance,

maryrose

gmax:
I saw Obama bow his head along with the others when a prayer was interjected into the proceedings. Of course he raised his head too soon and looked like he'd prefer to be facing Mecca kneeling on a prayer mat or anyplace elseat that juncture. He always looks uncomfortable at normal events that aren't about him.

centralcal

Clarice posted that link on her Facebook page, narciso, and got a little back and forth between Kahane and Lipscomb. You should check it out.

narciso

In the Godzilla vs. Rodan department, Trump vs, Schneiderman,

Gmax

A Cavalry Scout gets the the MOH. I must discuss this with the good lieutenant...

matt

ave it to the international press once again. Der Siegel is reporting this week that a number of international climate experts are once again calling the IPPC for it's chicanery in their report.

Just as Al Gore declares it gospel the experts challenge IPCC. I think it is time to take a copy of the report, roll it up, and ram it somewhere dark and painful on Mr. Gore's person.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/leaks-experts-criticize-ipcc-for-climate-change-report-strategy-a-918270.html

matt

by the way, this week's edition of Der Spiegel, unlike America's fixation with Miley Cyrus hair and attire, is reporting in depth on the manner, methods, and strategy behind Assad's use of CBW.

They leave no room for Obama or Kerry or their own leaders to run and hide.

Rocco

Guess where Syria's chemical weapons originate

“If you go back to January through March of 2003, we had intelligence in the Defense Department that the Russians helped move, by convoy, a lot of the chemical and biological weapons into two locations in Syria and one in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon,” Vallely said. “We think Russia and Iran have enhanced their inventory. The vast majority of those chemical and biological weapons were from Iraq.”

Dublindave

We can use our possible involvement in Syria to leverage the upcoming debt ceiling fight Republicans

Unless of course Republicans want to de-fund the Government while we're at war? I'm sure that'll go down well with all the over 65 year olds. In fact-I'm sure any opposition to anything Obama proposes will go down well while.... we're..... at..... war.........!!!

God bless America, we're all in this together. You're either with us or against us blah blah blah.

Dublindave

sorry...with Republicans....

MarkO on vacation at an undisclosed location

Were you to play "steal the flag" in your neighborhood, would you choose Obama for your team?

It gives me some pleasure to know, however, that he is scared to death.

Danube on iPad

Matt, I don't read them as criticizing anything substantive about the report, only the manner in which they are publishing it.

matt

an awful lot of units have been used as infantry in Afghanistan Gmax. Tankers and Cav especially.

narciso

They are at least curious at 'the mirror'

http://theweek.com/article/index/248646/has-global-warming-hit-a-plateau

they usually compile links, but this time, strangely they don't.

Ranger

Quite a few infantry units got converted in Cav as well. When they created the 4th brigade for all those light infantry divisions, they did it on the cheap by creating brigades of 2 infantry battalions and 1 "cav" squadron. That gave mobility to the infantry, without having to add three more full strength infantry battalions to each division.

Jane -May2014 Be there or Be Square

I have some stupid questions:

Do we have Sarin gas? Is it easy to make? Is there any chance we gave some to Turkey?

Where (and when) did Iraq get chemical weapons. Could the Sarin be the weapons Saddam got rid of when we went to war? If so, isn't it likely it would be in Assad's possession?

I'm trying to get a handle on this.

Threadkiller

Rodan...

...and the company he keeps.

willem

President Misdemeanor, Carpetbagger in Chief.

He is leading today no differently than he has ever lead; and for reasons no different than before, and to a productive end that is no different from any other of his lifetime accomplishments.

Obama is not failing. The projections of superiority superimposed by others is what's failing. In the reelection of Obama, we have witnessed the nexus of postmodern tarantism, mass psychogenic illness and presidential politics.

If we are lucky, the ad hoc cult of postmodern supremacists who propelled and surround Obama in this Peter Principle presidency will get their comeuppance before the remainder of the civilized world goes completely mad along with them.

Gmax

LT TMax is a Cavalry officer and is in the shit, in Douchebagistan at this very moment. He will know the story better than Zero, I can almost assure you of that.

narciso

So Morninh Joke is like the Gong Show and Hollywood Squares.

Ignatz

I wondered if the lefties were going to be up in arms about that prosecutor using an ethnic slur against O'Keefe.

Imagine my surprise when the most common sentiment seemed to be their desire to hit and/or submerge in their own excrement, not the prosecutor, but Mr. O'Keefe.

Understandable from we neanderthals, but the tolerant, enlightened branch of man's evolutionary tree? Shocking.

Beasts of England

I believe Obama is preparing a very stern letter and an admonition.

That'll go on their permanent record!

Steve

Could this video be proof of the Loch Ness Monster?

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/08/video-could-this-video-be-proof-of-loch.html

Army of Davids

Caught a little CNN the other day...(believe my help doubled their ratings)

Great feature they ran on Michelle's bangs.

Carol Herman

Since 9/11 we've caught no terrorists, but have the TSA. And, the ill named Patriot Act. Our freedoms are circling the drain. And, it seems, yet again, the saud's are controlling what we do.

So if Obama were smart he'd do diplomatic pants dancing. And, keep America out of the line of fire.

Ranger

Do we have Sarin gas?

No, the US has gone to all binary chemical systems (meaning you do not sore a lethal chemical in weaponized form, but have two chemicals that can be combined quickly to form a chemical agent on hand if you need to use it).

Is it easy to make?

Moderately, yes. Any country with a reasonably modern industrial chemical capacity can make it in quantity.

Is there any chance we gave some to Turkey?

Not likely. We incinerated all of our old (non-binary) chemical weapons last decade.

Where (and when) did Iraq get chemical weapons. Could the Sarin be the weapons Saddam got rid of when we went to war?

Iraq produced their own chemical weapons. Yes, Sarin could have been part of any stockpile that was transferred to out of country sites.

If so, isn't it likely it would be in Assad's possession?

Yes, but it could also be local produced in Syria without too much difficulty. Remember, a cult in Japan managed to make enough Sarin to gas a subway system, so it really isn't that difficult to make, just hazardous to those making it without the proper safeguards.

My understanding is that the biggest issue with Sarin (besides the fact that it is really toxic to humans) is that it is corrosive, so it is hard to contain over long periods of time, but that's from Chem weapons classes many, many years ago, so I could be confusing it with other agents.

Captain Hate on an iPhone

Wow, Iggy, that must be the largest collection of Internet tough guys unable to type a coherent non-fantasy sentence in existence. Were you looking for a public toilet when you happened to end up there?

Jane -May2014 Be there or Be Square

Ranger,

Thank you. I really appreciate you answering. If you had to speculate, what would you say is going on in Syria?

narciso

If the Egyptian Revolution, was like a belated gift to the late Qutb, consider that Bin Laden was half Syrian, and it was the dominant power, under the Umayyads, for a couple of centuries,

Clancy or whoever his ghostwriter, at the time, who came up with the Ummayad Revolutionary Council, had something there,

Beasts of England

So Morninh Joke is like the Gong Show and Hollywood Squares.

Yes, but without the gravitas...

Captain Hate on an iPhone

narc, I'm chomping at the bit for the new POI season but hope that expanded use of Shaw doesn't destroy the balance which was nearly pitch perfect this season. Needless to say I'm very open to being pleasantly surprised.

narciso

That ending did throw me for a loop, frankly,

DrJ

FWIW, the WSJ has two editorials for tomorrow's paper that prompt Obama to target Assad and his kin directly with drones/airstrikes.

Ignatz

--Were you looking for a public toilet when you happened to end up there?--

No, Cap, I had just typed a sentence in the comment box wondering if lefties were going to object to the "spud" slur when, lo and behold, Memorandum had a TPM link that would let me check out my wondering.
They didn't disappoint.

Captain Hate on an iPhone

Kudos for that 8:49 Ranger.

Captain Hate on an iPhone

The ending was a surprise to me as well and opens a huge range of possibilities.

Army of Davids

new media/Democrat concern:

All this talk about Hillary is speeding up Barry's lame, lame duckiness

Meh...what difference does it make anyway?

Ranger

Here is my reading of the situation, and the logic behind it.

You have two possible scenarios:

1) Assad used chemical weapons

2) The "rebels" used chemical weapons on their own people.

Argument for option 1. War is about breaking the enemy's will to fight. By using chemical weapons, Assad is signaling that he is willing to do anything to win, and that populations that continue to support the rebellion are opening themselves up to even greater harm then they have already experienced.

The calculus here is that Assad has more to gain from their use, then the price he would pay even if there was a Western response.

Why now? The war is stalemated. Despite recent significant gains, Assad still does not have the combat power to win on the battlefield. His army is exhausted and his best shock troops (Hezbollah units) may be pulled back soon as Lebanon slides into civil war. He needs a game changer that will break the enemy moral. Using chemical weapons without significant response from the West might be enough to crack the enemy, showing them once and for all that no one in the world really cares how many of them are killed.

Argument for option 2: This tactic is a well established way to force foreign powers to come in on your side. It worked (eventually) in Bosnia, where Muslim forces attacked their own civilians on several occasions to build sympathy in the West and eventually get foreign airpower to neutralize the enemies strategic advantages.

Why now? The tide of war is shifting against the "rebels". Though Assad's advances have been slow, they have been steady. It is just a matter of time before Assad takes Allepo, and if that happens, it really is game over for the rebellion. The rest would just be mopping up. Foreign intervention now could produce the same kind of dynamic battlefield shift that it did in Bosnia, with Western airpower denying the heavy weapons and strategic mobility that the Assad forces have at present, giving the numerically superior, but much less well armed rebels a chance to overwhelm government forces.

That's a long way of saying that I really don't know, but I can see good arguments of why on both sides of the situation.

Account Deleted

Jane,

Make sure you sift everything remembering that Benghazi was caused by a You-Tube video.

Assad has defended himself at a cost of 100K dead Syrians - sticking pretty strictly to the old tried and true methods. I still haven't read a rational reason as to why he would order the use of nerve agents in Damascus suburbs.

narciso

Look we don't need reminding of how brutal the Baathists are when they are against the wall, but they didn't need gas in 1982, also why not attack an actual rebel stronghold in Aleppo or wherever.

Account Deleted

OK, now I have, although I respectfully disagree with Ranger regarding the stalemate. Assad can still call in Iranians if push comes to shove.

Jane -May2014 Be there or Be Square

Ranger,

How do we know the weapons were used on the rebels and not people sympathetic to Assad?

Danube on iPad

I hope it has been duly noted that the two guys who beat that WWII vet to death were "unarmed teenagers." Haven't seen them described that way much....

Army of Davids

Barry's RCP avg. for today

44.0%

FORWARD....over 3 years to go...the floor is the limit.

Ranger

How do we know the weapons were used on the rebels and not people sympathetic to Assad?

There's no point for either side to use them on people sympathetic to Assad. If Assad did it, it was to prove to the rebels that he can act with impunity and that the West is not going to save them. If it was done by the rebels, it was done to spur action against Assad's military. If they used the weapons on a pro-Assad neighborhood, they defeat their own purpose. The Rebels are perfectly capable, as they have shown over and over again, of hitting Assad friendly neighborhoods with car bombs, so no need to use chem on them and destroy their standing as victims with the Western media.

Ranger

Rick and narc,

Not discounting your positions, and I honestly am not sure either way. I really depends on information we don't have access to (the status of Assad's army in particular). But, war is not always rational (there was no military reason for Mladic to slaughter the men of Srebrenica for example). And the target may have been chosen as much for logistical reasons as strategic ones (getting the chem munitions to Aleppo might have been to difficult of risky).

narciso

It could be, Ranger, this isn't the first time they were attacked with heavy weapons, in that area,


https://www.facebook.com/StandBySyria/posts/378834065520829

It really is a charnel house on all sides,

Ranger

too difficult or risky that is.

narciso

It doesn't seem that out of the question, in retrospect;

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-20/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-damascus1bre91j08n-20130219_1_damascus-ain-tarma-irbin

Jim Miller

Jane, Ranger, narciso - This morning, when I was half awake, I heard a rumor that the gas attack have come from an out-of-control part of the Assad regime.

That scenario struck me as possible, but not especially likely.

If it did happen, you would want to know what their motive was, and the report I heard didn't mention any. It could have been something as simple as revenge for losing friends in that area.

(I'm sorry I don't have a link or source, but as I said, I was half awake.)


Jane - The sarin article in Wikipedia is pretty good, I think, and has a link to the 1995 Aum Shinrikyo attack. The Japanese in that cult had a lot of technical skills, but they don't appear to have made an especially potent batch of sarin.

Gus (back from Dixie)

Are some of you suggesting that both Assad and the Rebels are MASS MURDERING with WMD's???

Both sides are telling Obama to FUX himself??

Yes. HOPE AND CHANGE!!!

Gus (back from Dixie)

So we aren't sure if it's Assad or Rebels who are using POISON GAS that we aren't sure about.

Sounds like we are in good hands. So when this unknown gas is used by unknown people in the Metro in D.C., who will Obama blame??

Jim Miller

I see Bret Stephens is calling for a decapitation attack on Syria.

This morning, in my post, I was dubious about such an attack, which assumes excellent intelligence, and Syrian leaders who are foolish enough to spend their days and nights in the open.

Account Deleted

Jim Miller,

The incident at Bhopal indicates that you don't even have to intend to produce a human nerve agent to come up with a very reasonable facsimile. Sarin is an organophosphate - most of us have something similar sitting on a shelf. Saddam Hussein had about a 10,000 year supply for Iraq in his private reserve.

It's pretty interesting to see comments in US papers matching comments in Italian newspapers matching comments in British newspapers - the vast majority noting pegged BS meters coupled with broken givadamometers.

666_cathyf_says_typepad_sucks_333

I guess the NSA guys are too busy spying on their ex-wives to bother with developing intel about Syria.

Gus (back from Dixie)

I'm quite sure it wasn't Assad, it was 2 ROGUE AGENTS from the IRS OFFICE in Cincinnati.

Remember that lie? They get forgotten so fast.

Gus (back from Dixie)

Maybe Snowden has some INTEL on Syria! Now that OBAMA is so FLEXIBLE, I'm sure Putin or PUT IN will be helpful.

narciso

Does it seem like the flexibility, has been toward the stupid, first ignoring Volodya's tip re the D-Dawgs, then getting involved Vizzini style in Syria,

Gus (back from Dixie)

By flexibility he meant. BENDING OVER.

Janet  --- -... .- -- .- ... ..- -.-. -.- ...

If we don't know who is using chemical weapons in Syria...then who are we letting into our country? Do we know anything about them?

Maybe Vogue could get another interview with the Assads & ask a few questions for us?...or TMZ?...or The Dirty?

narciso

Another party's involvement does suggest itself, remember that Michael Moore lookalike, who was responsible for the Madrid and London bombings,
who was released last year.

I think Stephens, has jumped the ghost shark:

Publius of Idaho

In response to Gus at 10:17 PM.

Why, George Bush, of course!

Captain Hate on an iPhone

Stephens has been alternating between reasonably lucid and bay at the moon stoopidity.

narciso

So it turns out Scowcroft apparently ok with this type of regime change of quarrelsome Baathist,

Danube on iPad

I don't believe I can make an informed judgment about which side has used those weapons, because all the information I have on the subject comes from a variety of sources I have come not to trust at all.

However, given what the US has now declared to be the case, I think it has committed itself to act (as everyone seems to agree). My hope is that we act in something close to a Carthaginian (as opposed to an aspirin-factory) manner. I don't know whether, if we do so, it will cause the rebels to prevail, or whether Assad could continue to hang on. And I don't much care.

What matters to me is that the world be put on notice that there are some things that governments cannot do with impunity, and that the United States will punish them if they do. God knows Russia won't do anything, nor will China.

Those who lament the status of the US as "The Hegemon" would do well to contemplate how the vacuum is likely to be filled if we withdraw or abstain (or become impotent). Once again, the world can best be protected, and civilization defended, by English-speaking white men.

Imagine proposing to teach a college course organized around that principle.

narciso

All right suppose the dog catches the car, then what, this is mostly the same crew who despised
Chalabi, and practically all of the Iraqi opposition because on balance they didn't get their hands dirty,

Account Deleted

"then what"

Libya v2, of course. Just a little more oil on troubled waters.

And if you liked the Benghazi Arms Bazaar, wait until Aleppo is wide open.

Gus (back from Dixie)

Danube, I agree. I don't know who is who in Syria. (Great Grandad buried there, my namesake). Obama et al should. Obama shouldn't run his PIE HOLE if he isn't going to back it up. His bluff has been called by ONE or 2 of the PLAYERS in Syria. And still the Faux President doesn't have the balls to make a call. IT'S TOO LATE TO MATTER NOW. The CANCER HAS SPREAD.

Gus (back from Dixie)

Narciso, Obama NEVER wants to get his hands dirty, UNLESS, the perceived RESULTS are POLITICALLY ADVANTAGEOUS.
He knows NOTHING about ANYTHING, unless it made or makes him look good.

Bin Laden is the perfect example.

Dave (in MA)

--
Dennis Miller Show ‏@DennisDMZ 25 Aug
If you do watch the Al-Jazzera America equivalent of "60 Minutes" and you hear a "Tick-Tick-Tick" sound from the TV, dive out of the room.
--
If I ever find myself watching Al Jizz I hope my TV does blow up.

Gus (back from Dixie)

Dave, I was in the airport in Atlanta yesterday, and CNN or HLN had a puff piece on the importance of AL JAZEERA, and it's little spin offs. I wanted to VOMIT.

Extraneus

Interesting comments at the TPM piece Iggy linked about James O'Keefe. 90% of the commenters are fantasizing about committing various acts of violence on O'Keefe, but none of them ever say why.

I think I'll send him another contribution today.

Marlene

Quiet this morning. Everyone enjoying coffee? I've been up since 5AM with doggy. We live less than 10 miles west of BIA. The flight path for the "Maineiacs",the 101st Air Refueling Wing is over our condo. This morning in the wee hours,I heard one of planes flying low. They are always training,so not unusual. Unless they are preparing for something else?

Marlene

*one of the planes* fyi...the 101st Air Refueling Wing provides 24 hour refueling of fighter and cargo aircraft.

Jane

Ex,

Buy his book. He was on the cruise with us and said he has a lot more coming videos not books). He's a nice guy. I think he is amazed that everyone isn't doing what he does.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the WMD being used in Syria are the ones Saddam moved out of the country when we went in. Every moron liberal who vowed there were no WMD will now have to support Obama's invasion over those non-existent WMD's.

Marlene

Jane,that would be sweet irony! Oh,be right back,red fox just walked across the front lawn,dog is going nuts. Have to be careful,lots of rabid critters here.

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from DiploMad - http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2013/08/quick-note-on-syrian-wmds-and-iraq.html

"On the overall Syria situation, I have made clear my strong view that the Obama misadministration is leading us into a disaster--almost regardless of the end result of the intervention, our national interests lose. In addition, we are apparently going to intervene in a half-baked manner that would not have been necessary had we maintained a base in Iraq. That base would have given us an ability to come at the Syrians from two sides. A robust US military presence in Iraq also would have helped curb what is growing Iranian influence in Iraq, and hampered Iran's ability to intervene in Syria and Lebanon. Such, however, is the quality of our "leadership" that we are operating with self-imposed and severe handicaps, at the same time that we adopt grandiloquent objectives."

Clarice

Planes over residential DC lasy night, to, Marlene..and civilian they were not. But they sounded like helicopters and this area is full of embassies, consulates and Ambassadors' residences.
Same thins yesterday morning.

Extraneus

Former US attorney 'regrets' losing temper at conservative journalist James O'Keefe

"Mr. Letten regrets losing his temper in addressing the impropriety of Mr. O’Keefe’s conduct," wrote Michael Strecker, Tulane University's Executive Director of Public Relations in an emailed statement about the video.

The school did, however, accuse O'Keefe of "intimidating and harassing" Letten, who is officially the school's assistant dean for experiential learning.

"This exchange, arising from an issue related to his previous position as U.S. Attorney, followed visits to Jim Letten's home and campus office by James O'Keefe and his film crew that were intimidating and harassing to both his wife and staff," wrote Strecker.

“Despite the provocation of these unannounced and uninvited visits, Mr. Letten regrets losing his temper in addressing the impropriety of Mr. O’Keefe’s conduct," he wrote, in the full statement.

JIB

No heightened security in NYC I can tell. Up at six this AM and walked down to Grand Central. No sense of doom, fear or gloom just mostly sleep deprivation in everyone's eyes. Our man child has stepped in it big time and will never get the stink off his shoes. I wonder what ValJar has in store for us except something we will all live to regret?

Jeff Dobbs

Welcome to Day 5 of 15 JOMer Birthdays in 12 Days

Today we celebrate...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GLENDA!!!

centralcal

Haven't been following along on the Syria discussions for the past few days, busy elsewhere.

This morning I saw a piece at Washington Free Beacon titled The 7 Most Interesting Minutes on Syria - which is video from Fox News with guest O'bagy.

The graphics were very interesting - showing the makeup of the opposition/rebel forces. Have the rest of you seen this?

centralcal

Happy birthday, Glenda. We miss you here.

narciso

Happy birthday, Glenda;

Marlene

ccal,I saw the graph that was on "Special Report". Looked very confusing.

Happy Birthday Glenda!

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Happy Birthday, Glenda! I mighta missed some of the other b-days too...
Lots of love to all the birthday celebratin' JOMers!

A good Sultan Knish - http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/08/egypt-is-where-history-goes-to-die.html

centralcal

I hear you Marlene. Much about the differing factions in the entire region, confuse the heck out of me too.

JIB

CC,

That 8:49 video with O'Bagy from ISW was eye opening. Wouldn't it be jolly if we could get Reporting for Duty or one of his minions to be as forthcoming with regard to the resistance and how we playing in that sphere? What a mess our man child and his puppet masters have led us into from behind.

narciso

Yes, and it's sort of on purpose, central, going back to Afghanistan thirty years ago, there were a few good factions, like Massoud's and Rabbani, and a whole hosts of others, that were like locusts, we didn't know them from adam, so we followed our guides Saudi General Intelligence and the ISI, the players have changed a little but not by much.

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