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August 23, 2013

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sbwaters

Hello? Is there anybody in there?

Old Lurker

Just for that troll yesterday, allow me to go OT right off the bat.

Per NRO, we are so far from the concept of liberty and freedom upon which this country that it is no longer amusing:

" The New Mexico Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that, by refusing to photograph a gay wedding, a photography studio violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act (NMHRA).

The court found that Elane Photography’s refusal to serve Vanessa Willock violated the act, which “prohibits a public accommodation from refusing to offer its services to a person based on that person’s sexual orientation,” according to the ruling.

Justice Richard C. Bosson, writing in concurrence, said that the case “provokes reflection on what this nation is all about, its promise of fairness, liberty, equality of opportunity, and justice.” In addition, the case “teaches that at some point in our lives all of us must compromise, if only a little, to accommodate the contrasting values of others. A multicultural, pluralistic society, one of our nation’s strengths, demands no less.”

The owners of Elane Photography, Jonathan and Elaine Huguenin, “are free to think, to say, to believe, as they wish” Bosson wrote. Nevertheless, in the “world of the marketplace, of commerce, of public accommodation, the Huguenins have to channel their conduct, not their beliefs, so as to leave space for other Americans who believe something different.”

Doing so, Bosson said, is “the price of citizenship.”

henry

Fat Al's brain slug does it again.

narciso

Beck was pointing out another whopper of 'Man Bear Pig', that would require the melting of Greenland or half of the Antartic Ice Shelf.

Jeff Dobbs

Oh, a new thread?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BGATES!!!

sbwaters

HBBGATES!

Threadkiller

This one goes to 11.

That's one louder isn't it?

Threadkiller

Happy birthday bgates!

NK

"THIS IS SPINAL TAP" was on a cable movie channel the other day. Still funny... made funnier by the fact that Spinal tap which is now almost 30 years old, could be sequelled TODAY, as THIS IS...STILL..SPINAL TAP, about 70something rockers who are still touring. Anyway, 'these go to eleven..' is still my favorite scene, and ALGore uses it as a manual. That's retarded sir.

NK

OL-- Justice Bosson obviously read 1984 as a "How To manual". Disgrace.

NK

Blue Hell Union/Socialist Pols Italian style: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-22/italian-job-sneaks-factory-to-poland-under-cover-of-darkness.html

Jane

Why would anyone want a disapproving photographer?

Hey gay people - if you get to be for it, I get to be against it.

A direct quote from the resident lesbian.

Captain Hate on an iPhone

Manbearpig (now in my autocorrect file) was never good in the sciency classes.

jimmyk

"Hey gay people - if you get to be for it, I get to be against it."

In a similar vein this really aggravates me:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-08-22/pavel-datsyuk-gay-comments-russian-antigay-olympics-boycott-yelena-isinbayeva

All he did was state his adherence to the beliefs of his religion, and therefor he is worthy of condemnation?

Account Deleted

Happy Birthday, bgates.

Thanks again for the Narcisolator.

Old Lurker

It's not just a photographer or gay people, Jane. The notion that any professional (or any person for that matter) can be forced to work for some client he would rather not assist is disgusting. It applies to you lawyers too in NM I guess.

And as you say, who would want an unhappy photographer at your wedding.

Jane

OL,

I was thinking about that, and it brought me to when restaurants could refuse to serve blacks. Do we need that law?

Otherwise I completely agree. Where I get stuck is why on earth you would want to do business with someone who doesn't want to do business with you.

2 other things. I had that problem with a client once. He attempted to malign me to the court (not understanding what a summary judgment was) and then refused to let me withdraw. The judge told him he was nuts and then sided with him on keeping me.

Secondly, back in the day when women had to have all sorts of extra protections (has that ever stopped?) I always wondered why the market couldn;t just take care of itself. If a business refused to hire women, women could easily refuse to buy their product. No government necessary.

MarkO now being monitered by the NSA on this site

Happy birthday bgates!

pagar

"“Government-coerced expression is a feature of dictatorships that has no place in a free country. This decision is a blow to our client and every American’s right to live free."

http://blog.wifamilyaction.com/2013/08/22/alliance-defending-freedom-exposed-judges-decision-as-feature-of-dictatorship/

Someone has already said it, but it bears repeating--Why would anyone want to hire a person to photograph some event that the person didn't want to photograph? It makes NO sense.

MarkO now being monitered by the NSA on this site

O/T but chilling:

http://barryeisler.blogspot.com.br/2013/08/david-miranda-and-preclusion-of-privacy.html

jimmyk

Here's a start at a JOM glossary. Feel free to add more.

(alleged) child molester - Harry Reid
chinless (mumbler) - Holder
chinless (opthalmologist) - Assad
Clenis - Bill Clinton
Don Corzione - Jon Corzine
manbearpig - Al Gore
red witch - Hillary
JEF/the Won/BOzo etc. - Obama
Shemp - Shepherd Smith
Steadman - Holder
Top men - Republican establishment

Jane, maybe you can post it at youtoo? I do think CH is responsible for most of these.


Beasts of England

The sustain, listen to it.

I don't hear anything.

Well you would though, if it were playing.

Old Lurker

If there is no difference between a restaurant admitting blacks, and an individual working by the hour for any person he does not want to work for, then we are truly screwed.

matt

HB Bgates!

Funny how the climate alarmists keep on stepping on cow turds, isn't it? One might even think they didn't know what they were talking about.

Old Lurker

I admit I never understood "Clenis"...

Threadkiller

My new theory is hidden in the text:

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/is-ted-cruz-eligible-for-presidency/

Barry and the Cruzers...

Threadkiller

loon - Threadkiller

Jeff Dobbs

This may go to six...

With a little over a week to go, 2013 has a chance to become the sixth year to have a hurricane-free Atlantic through the month of August since 1960. It would be the first hurricane-free season through August of Obama's presidency.

Republicans George W. Bush (2001 and 2002) and Ronald Reagan (1984 and 1988) each had two such years, the other occuring during Democrat Lyndon Johnson's presidency (1967).

Jeff Dobbs

jimmyk:
(alleged) child molester - Harry Reid

Or Pederast.

Marlene

Another classic CH nickname was "the Maine twins". Snowe and Collins.

Ignatz

It makes perfect sense if their intent was to teach the uncompliant some statist manners.

--I was thinking about that, and it brought me to when restaurants could refuse to serve blacks. Do we need that law?--

Of course we don't need that law. Jim Crow was not a bunch of private actions; it was s a web of coercive LAWS.
The solution is not a web of oppositely coercive laws regarding private transactions, it's to let private transactions remain voluntary.
The state and it's institutions must be color blind because they serve all the citizens.
Citizens do not have to be color blind, though they should be, nor is a color blind society created by coercing private citizens to behave as though they are.

NK

Hit/Run-- that Hurricane season stuff fascinates me. There is an academic at Univ Colo who developed a chronological hurricane cycle theory about 15 years ago, he was laughed at by the ManBearPigs around Katrina time, but his theory is getting support from the 'quiet' hurrican seasons the past few years.

Captain Hate on an iPhone

Stedman is the correct spelling.

Hillary has lots of them: Muffer; Cankles; HMS Pantsuit
Steve Schmidt: Dr Evil
Nicole Wallace: Norma Desmond
Republican Establishment: Duke & Duke
Scott Brown: Scottie Centerfold
Joe Scarborough: Intern Killer; Scarred Burro

More will come to mind I'm sure.

Coolpapa

Al who?

peter

jimmyk, let's not forget PUK for a deceased poster, and my personal favorite, "Carlos Slim's dancing chimps" for the staff and editors of the New York Times, h/t narc

Captain Hate on an iPhone

OL, think of it as a contraction.

Jane

Jimmy, that's great, thank you. I put it on my desktop!

YOu Too has been idling for a long time, I've been thinking about resurrecting it now that I seem to have way too much time.

Jeff Dobbs

NK:
There is an academic at Univ Colo who developed a chronological hurricane cycle theory about 15 years ago

Are you thinking of Bill Gray at Colorado State?

Cecil Turner

Love it. If we find we need that extra push over the cliff, Al Gore is definitely the go to man(bearpig). But for my favorite scene, this one has to be it:

David St. Hubbins: I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem *may* have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being *crushed* by a *dwarf*. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object.

Ian Faith: I really think you're just making much too big a thing out of it.

Derek Smalls: Making a big thing out of it would have been a good idea.

Beasts of England

This Is Spinal Tap

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088258/quotes

Jane

Beasts, did you locate your friend?

NK

Bill Gray indeed!-- he is a 'luke warmist', but he was a supporter of the truth around Katrina Time when the gigantic CO2-- SuperHurrican nonesense MEME was spread by ManBearPig and the Legacy Media.

PS: nobody likes my Hildabeast appellation for Hillary. My favorite JOM appellation is 'carlos slim's dancing chimps.'

Account Deleted

The comments at The Hill blog linked by TM are encouraging evidence of the Spinal Tap nature of Gore's blathering. Those willing to accept the IPCC's climate scientist whore's word about the danger of the SkyDragon have become a very, very selective audience. Sorta like NYT subscribers.

NK

'Very selective audience' another fabulous Spinal Tap scene. Alas Tony Hendra's LIFE seemed to go off the rails not too long after ST was released.

Danube on iPad

HB bgates. Take the rest of the day off.

Ignatz

Just happened on that scene again last week, Cecil.
Still laugh out loud funny.

Danube on iPad

They can make them take the pictures, but they can't make them take good ones. I hope that couple follows their conscience ant speaks truth to power and all that crap by taking shitty pictures.

jimmyk

Stedman is the correct spelling.

CH, maybe you can add explanations. I have no clue where Stedman comes from, or Intern Killer. A lot of them are self-explanatory.

NK

isn't 'Stedman' Graham Oprah's hetero beard?

Beasts of England

Jane@10:43 - Yes, thank you. She's back to where she was residing three weeks ago. Praying for the best...

Clarice

A photography studio is not a public accommodation. Taxis, Buses, Interstate highway inns. restaurants etc are. kNot every business fills that bill. I blame bad legal educations.

Extraneus

Stedman was Oprah's beard. Looks like Holder.

Beasts of England

My older daughter was at the Governor's Ball in NC several months ago (her boyfriend's Dad is part of the new GOP senate) and she sent me a photo of her and a very tall black man. I didn't recognize him.

She said 'It's Oprah's boyfriend, he's sitting at our table!' And me, being me, asked 'Who's he with?' She said 'Some other black man.'

21_cathyf_vs_tripep@d_99

When my parents got married, the best man arranged, as his wedding present, to have an excellent photographer take the pictures. The photographer took some black and white pictures, which he developed in his own dark room, and the best man took the color film to be developed.

The film was stolen out of the back of his car and never recovered. So my parents' wedding pictures consist of a few very nice pictures in black and white, and a few snapshots taken by wedding guests.

In modern days, it is even easier. Go to the wedding, take all of the pictures, then "accidentally" get the camera too close to your bulk eraser and erase the flash card.

21_cathyf_vs_tripep@d_99

The color film of my parents' wedding was stolen out of the best man's car when he was taking it to be developed. So all my parents have for wedding pictures are the black and white photos that the photographer developed in his own darkroom.

Very sad.

In modern times, an unwilling photographer doesn't have to lose the film. Just "accidentally" erase it.

21_cathyf_vs_tripep@d_99

It was sad both times... Sorry for the double post -- I needed to be more patient!

Captain Hate on an iPhone

Intern Killer is based on a Scarborough aide being found dead in his Florida office. With no witnesses the eventual explanation was that she fainted and hit her head on a desk. That didn't satisfy a number of people, primarily lefty loons, and kind of got lost in Gary Condit's problems at the same time. All I know is that I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw a desk. I guess it could have happened as stated but it seems like a strange way to go.

Janet

from May 2012.

Dave (in MA) made this photo to go with Iowahawk's comment - "Funnier than Spinal Tap playing the amusement park ampitheater. At this rate, he'll be spinning a sign for Mattress World by election day." Ouch!

notice the presidential seal is smaller than the license plate....pathetic.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143321/Obama-makes-speech-couples-GARAGE--hosts-vote-him.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

marymary

--'Very selective audience' another fabulous Spinal Tap scene. --

FWIW, that's how I see the use of cutesy nicknames and metaphors that even regular commenters find too obscure and which lead to requests for a glossary. I used to find it clever, but I got tired of the imposition to decrypt and decipher the text to discern a point. No doubt I'm missing out by just scrolling past, but surely that is an accepted consequence to those purposefully select abstruse allusions over direct and clear prose.

Threadkiller

Not missing out enough that you couldn't refrain from commenting.

If "scroll on by" is your solution, you don't understand its concept.

21_cathyf_vs_tripep@d_99

I'm not infrequently bewildered by the allusions, but I just take it as part of the charm of the place...

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Happy Birthday bgates. You are a real treasure.

marymary

Threadkiller: My comment was a response to those calling for a glossary, all of which were clear and thus not in the category of those other comments I admit to scrolling past.

Not sure why you seem so put out by my having shared a contrary opinion.

Dave (in MA)

The Spinal Tap Stonehenge scene is a takeoff of the ill-fated 1983 tour by Black Sabbath where Geezer Butler came up with the idea of a Stonehenge stage set, but the crew who designed the set made the Fiberglasshenge actual size, and it wouldn't fit into a lot of the venues on the tour.

Even the {insert PC term for midget} scene was based on that tour. Black Sabbath had a {insert PC term for midget} dressed up as the satanic baby on their album cover, and he'd jump off the top of "Stonehenge" onto a pile of mattresses during the show, right up until the night that he missed the pile of mattresses.

Porchlight

marymary,

When you start Patrick O'Brian you will have the same trouble. Eventually there is an immersion effect and you start to pick up the lingo. It is all part of the experience, and the same applies here.

Pretty soon we'll send you to get the left-handed stapler.

Danube on iPad

The gay NM couple hired another photographer, but kept the lawsuit going to teach that Christian lasy a lesson. She now owes the couple $7,000 in attorneys' fees.

I am livid.

Porchlight

Me too, DoT.

And the pockets for funding these kinds of lawsuits are bottomless. Not so the pockets of the unfortunate small business owners who are the targets of these and future suits.

marymary

Porchlight: I see your point, however I do not find the comparison to be valid. It's one thing to be faced with an unfamiliar, but consistent, documented, vernacular used because it is historically accurate and another thing to learn an ever-evolving insiders-only code used on one blog and also (I think) mostly for stylistic, not substantive, purposes. Also, the former rewards the effort since the new skills apply beyond the immediate purpose.

In other words - I don't balk at the effort but the return on investment.

Lest I be misunderstood, note I have no desire to silence or change the style of any posters here. Everyone else who has remarked on this (so far as I recall) is strongly in favor. My only purpose in commenting was to show another opinion exists - not to claim it is in any way superior.

marymary

Oh - also, I used to decrypt the code of the Stedmens and the Skydragons and such, but stopped. Is it possibly interesting to consider that others find the secret-code to be unwelcoming to new commenters? I know I STILL feel a bit ...rude? making comments here, since everybody seems to know everybody - sort of feels like I'm intruding on a private party.

sbwaters

JOMebonics.

Threadkiller

If this is a party, then I am the piñata.

Porchlight

marymary,

I understand what you're saying, and perhaps it is less than welcoming to the uninitiated. But I can say with some certainty that it's been going on for years and it's not going to stop.

It is always interesting to me when people show up in a new place and immediately begin offering unsolicited advice to the local populace as to how things are done. Surely they must see that no matter how constructive and well-meant they believe it to be, such criticism is almost sure to be counterproductive; their suggestions would be much more likely to be heeded once they'd been around for awhile and gotten to know everyone.

:)

marymary

I can take a hint.

Threadkiller

Then why did you post again?

sbwaters

marymary, porch is right, it isn't meant to be exclusive. With growing familiarity it lends a little light to otherwise heavy talk.

marymary

Sorry, so sorry Threadkiller. I didn't know acknowledging "Message Received" was outside the code of JOM ethics. I am deeply ashamed at my ignorance and gross insubordination.

rse

Clarice-

Something I was researching about a week ago indicated that the law schools were pressured by 2000 to change the nature of what they were doing away from the verbal and logical to more of a clinical approach.

The paper said it was inappropriate for law schools to emphasize a set of skills that were not widely available and that might not be distributed equitably. So it is more than too many law schools.

rse

marymary-

At this point a lot of us do know each other. We have literally been chatting about both substantive and foolish matters for years. Plus many have got out of their way to meet other people from the blog which sounds a bit sketchy to outsiders but makes sense to us.

Please do not feel excluded and just ask if something makes no sense. And it it does not make sense but says bgates it is ingenious satire to be read again and cherished.

sbwaters

marymary, if it does not come across that your company is appreciated, let me be explicitly clear. :-)

Extraneus

I can't remember any in particular, but I've found some of marymary's posts a bit jarring coming from a newcomer, even before this dustup. JOM is pretty welcoming to new commenters, though, and I see no reason to make an exception here.

Point taken, marymary. Welcome to JOM!

mister mister

" but surely that is an accepted consequence to those purposefully select abstruse allusions over direct and clear prose."

You've stumbled onto the 'deadfall' of cliquish ingrouping.

That is all, carry on

Jeff Dobbs

cathyf:
When my parents got married

.......54 years ago next Thursday.

Sorry, can't help myself.

marymary

It makes sense - you don't know me, and here I am being critical.

I get that - I really do, but understand that to a great extent, I know all of you. I didn't just show up and start commenting. I've been reading and enjoying your posts for over a year.

I know about Porch's husband's band, and her job at the university, and rse's book, and Hit&Run's lists and safety pin in the nose, and Janet's motorcycle and "red neck hair salon", and Jane's furnace that was breaking down and how Threadkiller was trying to diagnose and prescribe a fix long distance, and ManTrans plane and daddy's visit with (Another) Barbara in Hawaii, and JamesD's books, and CentralCal's job with two monitors - one with JOM always scrolling, and jimmyk and NK meeting up with JiB in NYC....

See - I KNOW you guys. Now that I finally broke through my own fear of posting something stupid I find I need to keep myself on some kind of probation. It's fair. But it's hard.

narciso

The SkyDragon is Rick's rather curious description of a relatively nonexistent problem, with a very expensive solution, the notion of taxes on air, being proferred by the twin hucksters of climate flimflammery, Gore and Pachauri,

Threadkiller

I have been bitter since you jumped all over me during one of my battles with DoT, marymary.

I'll give it a rest.

Welcome!

Maybee

Happy birthday, bgates!

Jane -May2014 Be there or Be Square

Marymary,

I thought you were Maryrose cause she changed her name.

Shows What I know.

narciso

Now as foolish as he looks, I don't see it as inadvertent error, but enemy action:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/23/obviously-yeah-were-probablydefinitely-going-to-need-until-at-least-2014-for-a-keystone-decision/

Jane -May2014 Be there or Be Square

Oh and Marymary, that's exactly what I did. So I know where you are coming from.

centralcal

Hey, marymary - you little former lurker you - you got to KNOW all of us. Now, hopefully, we will all get to know you!

Welcome aboard and out of the shadows of lurkerdom!

Jeff Dobbs

marymary:
Not sure why you seem so put out by my having shared a contrary opinion.

I see what you did there. It's . . . quite . . . brilliant.

Tell me you have a garden, please oh please oh please.

;)

marymary

I'm very sorry (I mean it sincerely this time!) I jumped over you, TK. Thank you for restarting the clock.

Thanks all for the welcome. I admit to being exhausted by trying to explain yet not excuse myself, since I am still feeling pretty defensive right now.

Yes, hit and run. I have four gardens. :)

Jeff Dobbs

Cockleshells!

narciso

It all has a very absurd air, the lie is presented as truth, the truth is dismissed as lies;

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-last-month-if-you-read-politico-or.html

Jane -May2014 Be there or Be Square

I missed what you are supposed to be defensive about, but don't be.

daddy

Marymary,

I hope one day we get to drink a beer together. Where are you living if you don't mind me asking.

Clarice

rse, I am in favor of adding lots of clinical work to law school curricula.Really, you can teach most of the subject matter in a year or at best a year and a half and legal writing, appellate brief writing and arguing and trial practice are very important and useful..but the essetials are apparently being taught by morons if that's the way the NM court analyzes this dispute. "Public accommodation" indeed. Horsefeathers.

Extraneus

Very nice post at 6:19 marymary, or can we call you Mary? (Don't think we have any other ones here.)

Extraneus

I think liberals should go all out and start prosecuting women who refuse seduction offers from the underserved.

rse

Clarice-I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. And I don't feel like typing the troubling quotes verbatim.

I agree law school is not helpful for practice but insisting on making it non-intellectual is not the solution.

And the clinics that the Ford Foundation pushed were intended to radicalize lawyers, not train them.

Never mind.

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