Live from DC, it's Tuesday night! I can't wait to hear Obama's latest brainwave at 9 Eastern. The NY Times attempts to annotate the laughtrack and includes this:
White House speechwriters have been revising their drafts as a plan put forward by Russia for Syria to relinquish control of its chemical weapons has gained international support. Mr. Obama is now expected to say that the threat of military action has led to the diplomatic opening, and to urge Congress to keep the pressure on Syria even as his administration examines whether the Russian proposal is serious or a way to obstruct military action.
Yeah, its up to Congress to keep up the pressure. While Team Obama pretends the Russians and Syrians are serious.
Obama's giving a speech? Another one? Wow. Who'd have guessed. Then again, it's too dark for golf.
Posted by: Steve | September 10, 2013 at 08:35 PM
It'll be just as inane and embarrassing as his last one.
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 10, 2013 at 08:42 PM
I'm prepared to be impressed with the magnanimity with which he assigns responsibility for this once in a lifetime display of the professionalism of the administration foreign policy team.
Posted by: Account Deleted | September 10, 2013 at 08:47 PM
Just for interest, is anyone in the news mentioning possible terrorist activity expected for tomorrow, since it is obviously the anniversary of 9/11 and Benghazi?
I'm not hearing any. I do know via my job we have received within the last 4 days advisories about Security alerts for Turkey, Pakistan, Iraq and Lebanon, but nothing specific.
Usually just around 9/11 anniversary time something happens in India, but all the Times of India has today is a story that Pakistan freed seven Afghan Taliban leaders on Saturday, and that they just decided:Pakistan to free top Taliban prisoner Mullah Baradar.
Do you guys think that possibly the Muslim Brotherhood/Hezbollah etc, have been advised to sit still terror bombing-wise to see if we can defeat ourselves this 9/11 Anniversary without any of their bombings gumming up the works?
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 08:50 PM
seen on twitter:
The suspense must be killing the media. They have no idea what to praise Obama for.
— AmishDude (@TheAmishDude)
ROFL!
Posted by: MaryM | September 10, 2013 at 08:51 PM
And speaking of driving a Coupe de Gras, it's hard to beat this fun story:
Neil Young’s Electric Car Breaks Down, Left ‘Helpless’ on California Highway
Neil Young, a high-profile proponent of cars powered by alternative fuels, was recently stranded on the highway when his own $1 million biomass-powered hybrid car broke down.
California highway patrol officers found the Canadian rocker stranded on the side of a road near Donner Summit, Calif.
Young was on his way to an environmentalist festival...
Ha Ha Ha!
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 08:59 PM
I'm going to guess at two overarching themes.
Any good stuff he did.
Any bad, he didn't do that, the world did.
Posted by: Ignatz | September 10, 2013 at 09:03 PM
We know Assad did this - DRINK
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone | September 10, 2013 at 09:06 PM
So far, it is really moving. He's reading the teleprompter extremely well.
Posted by: peter | September 10, 2013 at 09:07 PM
He looks and sounds like Kermit.
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:09 PM
WSJ:
"What could be worse for America's standing in the world than a Congress refusing to support a President's proposal for military action against a rogue regime that used WMD? Here's one idea: A U.S. President letting that rogue be rescued from military punishment by the country that has protected the rogue all along.
"That's where President Obama now finds himself on Syria after he embraced Russian President Vladimir Putin's offer to take custody of Bashar Assad's chemical weapons. The move may rescue Mr. Obama and Congress from the political agony of a vote on a resolution to authorize a military strike on Syria. But the diplomatic souk is now open, and Mr. Obama has turned himself into one of the junior camel traders."
Posted by: Danube on iPad | September 10, 2013 at 09:09 PM
At least two blame Bushes - DRINK DRINK
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone | September 10, 2013 at 09:11 PM
Welcome, welcome, one and all, to President Weak Horse's™ latest extravaganza, the further adventures of his Syrian Sideshow Spectacular. . .
Wherein Pres. Weak Horse™, through his brilliant leadership and moral superiority, single-handedly faces down the use of chemical weapons.
He will claim credit for devising the strategic initiative to disarm Syria of its CW's, and portray himself as the great international leader, standing up to evil.
He will pretend he never ignored his responsibilities these past two years, during previous uses of CW. He will act as if he has not supported al-Qaeda affiliated rebels in Syria, after the debacle of helping bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power in Egypt.
All he has accomplished to date is to show his ineptitude, his weakness, and to accomplish the aims of the Russians: Assad stays in office, and the Russians retain their naval base at Tartus.
Posted by: Patriot4Freedom | September 10, 2013 at 09:11 PM
"We don't dismiss any threats"... except in Libya on the anniversary of 9/11.
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:12 PM
Isn't it nice that when Obama isn't on the golf course he is reading your and my letters?
Posted by: Jane-Rebel Alliance | September 10, 2013 at 09:13 PM
He forgot "strongly worded statements" ... LOL
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 10, 2013 at 09:13 PM
Is he done twerking yet?
Posted by: Ann | September 10, 2013 at 09:13 PM
We must provide the Mooooslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda more protection than we did at Benghazi.
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone | September 10, 2013 at 09:14 PM
Surprise, surprise . . .
"Let's postpone the vote (to AUMF)!"
Posted by: Patriot4Freedom | September 10, 2013 at 09:14 PM
UN Inspectors - DRINK
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone | September 10, 2013 at 09:15 PM
"To my friends on the left"... think of the children!!!!
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:16 PM
Looks like he picked that suit jacket up off the closet floor.
Posted by: Rocco | September 10, 2013 at 09:16 PM
Boy I bet he's mad that he has to work nights.
Posted by: Jane-Rebel Alliance | September 10, 2013 at 09:16 PM
FDR quote -DRINK
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone | September 10, 2013 at 09:16 PM
We should have known... Children is the new drink word!
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:17 PM
Isn't it nice that when Obama isn't on the golf course he is reading your and my letters?
I'll have you know I don't even write letters. Just emails.
Oh, wait - son of a....
Posted by: bgates | September 10, 2013 at 09:17 PM
Humility? Wish he had some.
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 10, 2013 at 09:17 PM
My fellow Americans...
Assad is a bad guy. We've worked to support the moderate opposition.
We cannot resolve someone else's civil war thru force.
But that changed when he gassed a thousand people with poison gas. We saw the video of this crime against humanity.
In WW1 many died of poison gas. In WW2 the Nazi's used them. Now the Congress and 98& of humanity joined to say these weapons are unacceptable. We know the Assad regime was responsible. We know they gav out gasmasks to their troops, and then launched the rockets with the gas, and then the hospitals filled. We know it was serin gas.
Dictators depend on the rest of the world to look the other way. The question now is what the world is prepared to do bout it.
If we fail to act it will be a threat to our national security. If we do not act we will have our troops facing poison gas on the battlefield, and if we don't stand to stop it it will be used in Mid eat battlefields.
We shoild not accept this. This is why I determine it is in the National security interests of the US to strike Assads poison gas assets. That is my opinion as President. But I also thought it was my job to ask Congress for the authorization to make those strikes.
I know it is not a popular thing to ask for military authorization, especially since I have spent so much time stopping our overseas wars. Let me read some letters you have sent to me.
I will not put American boots on the ground in DSyria, nor pursue a long time operation. This will be a quick short action.
The US military does not do pinpricks. We will send a message to Assad. We will not remove him as a dictator---we learned that that does not work in Iraq.
Assad can not really harm our military, and Israel is strong enough to defend itself. But Al Quada will get stronger in Syria if we do not punish Assad.
Finally, might this lead to other countries. Should we be the world's policeman? No. We have tried sanctions, but he still used chemical weapons.
However, Russia has joined in helping us to deal with this issue diplomatically. I have asked for Congress to delay their vote as Diplomacy continues. We will continue to rally for support around the world who agree we need to respond militarily if diplomacy fails,
And I thank our military.
My fellow Americans, for decades we have been the international leaders. You on the right must reconcile your beliefs with what I want to do and you on the left must look at the videos and say can we allow this. You must ask yourself what kind of world will we live in if we choose to allow dictators to use poison gas and we look the other way?
With modest action we can stop children from being gassed form poison gas. That is what makes us different.
Thank you. God Bless America.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 09:17 PM
We can't save all the children in Chicago that the DeMFM ignores.
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone | September 10, 2013 at 09:18 PM
So the new emotional tug is.. We can't prevent every act of badness in the world... But save the children!
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:19 PM
Yata yata yata ..... bs bs bs .... some more meaningless drivel.
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 10, 2013 at 09:19 PM
This year I have had a double mastectomy, reconstruction surgery, cancer cut off my face and a fishhook dug out of my leg. And a routine colonoscopy is going to be the one that gets me. If drinking this nasty mess isn't against the Geneva Convention on torture, it should be. ::shudder::
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:20 PM
The cut and paste speech that didn't even attempt coherency. And nothing about 9/11.
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone | September 10, 2013 at 09:21 PM
And to keep all of that on topic, it beats listening to Obama.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:22 PM
Sue,
First of all there are alternatives to what you are drinking, so yell at your doctor.
Second, I promise you, the drugs will make up for it.
Posted by: Jane-Rebel Alliance | September 10, 2013 at 09:22 PM
I will puke on him.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:23 PM
So the new emotional tug is.. We can't prevent every act of badness in the world... But save the children!
I'm not a big social issues person, but every time he talks about the children, I think of his support for killing children born alive.
Posted by: Jane-Rebel Alliance | September 10, 2013 at 09:24 PM
From VodkaPundit's wrap up:
Heh.
Posted by: MaryM | September 10, 2013 at 09:24 PM
Plus my Oakland A's are one and a half games ahead of your choking Texas Rangers.
Sue, I think JiB said put some alcohol in that colonoscopy fluid. It is awful an't it.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 09:24 PM
Obama admitted America is exceptional. I heard him.
Posted by: anonamom | September 10, 2013 at 09:27 PM
While twerking, Obama said "I" 23 times in 15 minutes.
Posted by: Ann | September 10, 2013 at 09:27 PM
Too late for the alcohol. I finished drinking that mess.
Ugh. The Rangers are making every opposing pitcher look like Cy Young winners.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:27 PM
IF - and that's a *BIG* "if" - Pres. Weak Horse™ was *really* concerned over Assad's use of CW's, he would have prepared a UN resolution sometime in the past two years, calling for the international community to take action against CW use in Syria.
He has done *nothing* in the UN regarding the use of CW's in Syria.
The MFM will reliably fail, once again, to report this apparent discrepancy between what Pres. Weak Horse™ says and what he has done.
Posted by: Patriot4Freedom | September 10, 2013 at 09:27 PM
Twerking or tweeking?
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:28 PM
Obama: "Gassing children is a crime against humanity. But pulling babies partially out of their mothers' wombs and killing them by stabbing surgical scissors into the base of their brainstems is okay."
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 10, 2013 at 09:31 PM
Obama: "Gassing children is a crime against humanity. But pulling babies partially out of their mothers' wombs and killing them by stabbing surgical scissors into the base of their brainstems is okay."
It's not just okay, it's a constitutional right!
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:32 PM
Sue, it will be over soon and your reward is peace of mind. Hang in there.
Posted by: Caro's iPad | September 10, 2013 at 09:34 PM
Rand Paul,
I see no clear ally on either side and I se no compelling American interest. It is a violation of international Law. If Assad is responsible he deserves death for this. To my mind Obama is arguing for stalemate and I do not see an American objective in going for stalemate.
You guys are all probably watching him also.
It is interesting to me that immediately FOX now goes to Rand Paul and not to McCain and Lindsay Graham or anyone else for that matter. Like Rand or not, he seems to be the Senator gaining "gravitas" as the outspoken US Republican forcefully stating his opinion. He does have his eye on the Presidency, as is obvious from a question he just answered to Bret Baire.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 09:34 PM
Sue - God bless you for hanging in there through all of your troubles.
Keep on smiling. ::grin::
Posted by: Patriot4Freedom | September 10, 2013 at 09:35 PM
Caro,
I know. I'm good now that the drinking is over.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:36 PM
Oh, Sue. I just did that. I found lemon drops helped get rid of the taste and they are ok even when you aren''t allowe to eat anything.
Posted by: Clarice | September 10, 2013 at 09:39 PM
Thanks. I'm pretty damn tough but this stuff was NASTY.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:39 PM
Sue,
I always use Vodka in the mix. I told the surgeon at Mayo what I did and he told me "great idea, I have to remember that",
Isn't this like a serial killer goes on a rampage and kills a few hundred kids (say a super-Adam Lanza) and all we do is confiscate his guns and let him hang out at the house playing violent video games?
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 10, 2013 at 09:39 PM
A link worth is for the headline:
Desperate man tries to convince world he has faintest idea of what he’s doing
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/10/open-thread-desperate-man-tries-to-convince-world-he-has-faintest-idea-of-what-hes-doing/
I have to say, I thought I hated Bush41/Clinton for the mishandling of the collapse of Yugoslavia (every single move they chose made the situation worse). This is worse than that was.
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:40 PM
Sue: I always pee and upchuck immediately after drinking whatever crap is prescribed to drink.
How accurate can any of my tests be?
However, since you (and your tummy and bladder) are far more stoic than mine, I am certain your tests will give you an "all clear."
Posted by: centralcal | September 10, 2013 at 09:40 PM
I'm a real fan of Rand. Then again I adore all the young guns. I'd be thrilled to death to never lay eyes on McCain again.
Posted by: Jane-Rebel Alliance | September 10, 2013 at 09:42 PM
Jack,
I wish I had known that before. Even if it didn't help the taste, I could have gotten so drunk it wouldn't have mattered.
Clarice,
I don't have a lemon drop. Just leftover peppermint a from last Christmas and I'm afraid to use them because they have red dye in them.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:42 PM
GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLL! Donovan. Its all over but the crying. USA, USA, USA!
Posted by: Jim Eagle | September 10, 2013 at 09:42 PM
Whoever devises a less ghastly way to check than colonoscopies deserves a Nobel prize for humanity.
Posted by: Clarice | September 10, 2013 at 09:43 PM
A hearty amen to that Clarice.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:45 PM
Allen West
President Obama stated at the end of his 16 minute speech, "terrible things happen across the globe….we should act, that's what makes America exceptional." I find his words utterly disgusting because tomorrow we will remember four Americans who were abandoned by President Obama to die in Libya. I found no righteous indignation and call for a moral obligation to avenge and punish their islamic terrorist murderers - matter of fact, Obama called it a "phony scandal." Christians are being butchered daily, where is his outrage? Israel is taking rocket and missile fire, where is his outrage? Some 100,000 Syrians had been killed by conventional munitions, and this was not the first chemical attack, where was his outrage? Obama has shown incompetence and weakness and has not presented a credible threat to Assad and Putin. If he wanted to respond he could have, God knows he did not seek congressional approval for Libya. He has been strategically outmaneuvered by Putin, lost the initiative, and allowed Putin to look like a statesman while he looks like a confused community organizer.
Posted by: Clarice | September 10, 2013 at 09:45 PM
Ok, well into the "special reserve" scotch, and I need to decide if I want to watch The Deer Hunter, or No Mans' Land.
It's just that kind of night.
Posted by: Ranger | September 10, 2013 at 09:45 PM
Sue,
I have drunk that awful stuff twice before for my colonoscopies. We need to get together, perhaps with the help of DrJ, and patent some sort of oral prophylactic, that you can put on your tongue and deaden the taste-buds, and thus allow us to drink that horrible horrible swill without gagging.
DrJ, any suggestions?
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 09:46 PM
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | September 10, 2013 at 09:47 PM
Sue, go soft on the TP.
And tomorrow will be better.
Good luck!
Posted by: sbwaters | September 10, 2013 at 09:49 PM
Where was all this liberal concern when Saddam gassed the Kurds?
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 10, 2013 at 09:49 PM
I've probably had 6 colonoscopies and I haven't drunk that bad stuff since the first 2. There are many choices. Your doctor isn't tell you about them.
Posted by: Jane-Rebel Alliance | September 10, 2013 at 09:49 PM
My husband is a baby about everything. He did this last year and never complained or acted like it was a big deal so I figured it would be a walk in the park for me. Oh hell no. Anyway, I'm glad that part is over.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:49 PM
Jane,
What do they give you?
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:51 PM
You'll be fine after the post-procedure farting. LOL
Posted by: fdcol63 | September 10, 2013 at 09:51 PM
Sue, I'd be happy to perform your colonoscopy if that would make it easier.
Posted by: Danube on iPad | September 10, 2013 at 09:57 PM
I'm okay now except I want a T-bone steak, medium, baked potato, salad, Texas toast and a glass of sweet iced tea.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 09:58 PM
The OT on this thread is not really OT is it?
Would that we could flush the sh!thead down the toilet, too.
Best of luck tomorrow, Sue.
Posted by: Stephanie | September 10, 2013 at 09:59 PM
In those two years "I have resisted calls for military action." from whence came those calls?
Posted by: Danube on iPad | September 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Putin gets what he wants. His proxies are alive and well to bully any Middle Eastern country from supporting the West. You could drink water and scotch for 3 days.
Posted by: jorod | September 10, 2013 at 10:00 PM
so I figured it would be a walk in the park for me. Oh hell no. Anyway, I'm glad that part is over.
Sue,
It ain't over till the fat lady with the colonoscope says it's over.
A few years back the colonoscope techs told me I was insufficiently cleaned out, so I had to go home and drink another gallon of that swill and come back the next day. Momma really enjoyed telling the daughters that the Doctor said daddy was full of shit:)
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 10:02 PM
DrJ, any suggestions?
Hmmm. I'll give it some thought. I do count as a friend the sensory perception expert at UC Davis, though she focuses on wine. I've no idea how that happened.
For me it is a Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc tonight.
Posted by: DrJ | September 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM
I'm a real fan of Rand. Then again I adore all the young guns.
Jane,
According to Breaking News ticker on FOX, we are awaiting response on Obama's Syria speech from Senator Rand Paul
He certainly has the balls to forcefully stand up and speak as the leader of the opposition.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM
They better not tell me to go home. I won't be back if they do.
So, I take it Obama has decided not to bomb Syria?
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 10:04 PM
Sue,
Try drinking it on ice. The coldness Makes it a bit more palatable .
Posted by: Abadman | September 10, 2013 at 10:15 PM
Thanks to all of you who endured that unendurable 15 minutes. From your synopsis, it sounds like ElJefe continues his pursuit of no goal that is consistent with his duty to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the US. No surprises there.
Posted by: Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet | September 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Rand is up and he is directly going against Obama's points, pretty much one by one.
He is tho' giving the President kudo's for recognizing that as the Commander in Chief he has a Constitutional responsibility to come to Congress for a vote. Then he says that Obama does not personally believe that. Rand says he will vote NO unless there is a compelling American interest.
Gretta said Rand elected to do that speech on his own, and was not picked by the Repub's to do that speech.
I thought he did a good job. If nothing else I think Rand Paul will appeal to college kids, which I definitely see as a plus for a guy with an "R" behind his name.
Karl Rove BTW is disagreeing with many of Rand Paul's points.
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 10:17 PM
Karl Rove BTW is disagreeing with many of Rand Paul's points.
He must have made some good ones, then.
Posted by: Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet | September 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM
Some retired general said this afternoon that if we were in imminent danger Obama should strike and strike hard. If we are punishing Asaad for going against the world's protocols on CW, then the world should do it with us. He said it better but I agree with him.
Posted by: Sue | September 10, 2013 at 10:20 PM
Is he completely deluded, rhetorical question.
Posted by: narciso | September 10, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Sue,
I don't Really remember because it is always different,. I think maybe mucinex last time . I'll try and keep track next time.
Posted by: Jane on Ipad hi there NSA | September 10, 2013 at 10:38 PM
I'm starting to think Karl Rove may be the most unfortunate residue left over from W's presidency, much like W's father was the most unfortunate one left over from RR's.
Posted by: Ignatz | September 10, 2013 at 10:41 PM
One of the doctors there says they've got a new easier and faster test coming up. It'll be administered by the TSA when you go thru the radar screening and raise your arms..
Posted by: Clarice | September 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM
OOps--bed time--XRAY screening.
Niters.
Posted by: Clarice | September 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM
Anyone else think Obama's eyes looked mean tonight? I was wondering if his make up was applied incorrectly.
Did anyone see the picture Drudge has up tonight?
Posted by: Paula | September 10, 2013 at 10:46 PM
Well this doesn't look like 'winning' to me;
http://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-shipping-assad-more-weapons-to-crush-rebels/
Posted by: narciso | September 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Quiz Time: Who just admitted defeat in the NY Mayors race?
Here's a tip:
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 10:48 PM
In early returns, Democratic state senate president John Morse is trailing in his recall election. (The other Democratic state senator, who represents a more Democratic district, is leading in her race.)
If he is removed, that won't tip the balance in the Colorado state senate, but it will reduce the Democrats to a 19-16 majority, so the Republicans would only have to gain two seats, net, in the next election, to take control.
I don't know what the prospects for that are. My 2012 Almanac of American Politics says that Republicans had a registration lead, 874,962-612,389, with 789,851 independents.
But I have also seen, recently, the claim that the Democrats had gerrymandered the state very effectively.
Posted by: Jim Miller | September 10, 2013 at 10:51 PM
And this looks promising for opponents of Client number 9:
If it's cut off in the pic, it reads:
Stringer 66%
Spitzer 34%
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM
Correction: A registration lead of 874,962-812,3989.
Posted by: Jim Miller | September 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Well he did have Scarlett Johansn campaigning for him, Stringer;
Posted by: narciso | September 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM
One more try: 874,962-812,389
(I probably shouldn't post comments after 7:30 PM, my time.)
Posted by: Jim Miller | September 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM
Morse's district is gerrymandered to give a Dem the best possible chance to win in Colorado Springs
Posted by: Abadman | September 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM
Special edition of The Five due to Bozo's anti-chemo rant.
Another reason to hate the man...
Posted by: Threadkiller | September 10, 2013 at 11:02 PM
Jim,
Thanks for posting that Colorado stuff.
So what does Weiner do know? I don't think he is psychologically capable of not seeking the limelight. But would MSNBC or CNN or any other network be so foolish as to actually offer him a show or a radio gig? Beats me.
And it seems to me that Huma's only chances for media redemption now are to dump the guy, or stay in the shadows and hitch a ride on Hillary's Team---but that raises the question of will Team Hillary consider her now such damaged goods that they should toss her under the bus for the sake of electability?
Posted by: daddy | September 10, 2013 at 11:06 PM