I Believe It Is Funding For Our Time (Continuing...)

Apparently Boehner is throwing in his cards again. The Senate will agree to a deal; the House will then hasten the process by passing the Senate bill in the House first, then send it to the Senate. This sidesteps various Senate rules that might otherwise hold the bill up for a couple of fateful days.

The WSJ speaks for many on the right in calling for an end to this debacle. I know there is an unemployed rodeo clown who might be available as a political consultant. Unless the ObamaCare website developers have already hired him...

Comments

[Danube on iPad]

I look forward to the screeching from the TP caucus.

Unity...it's a blissful thing.

[DublinDave]

You get noooothing hahahahaahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Noooothhhiiiiinggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rich@gmu]

total capitulation and next on the list amnesty.

Great Job people. Should have just voted Dem if all I get is the Dem agenda.

[DublinDave]

I shouldn't laugh at my Republican friends. I actually feel really sorry for you and I think I understand the root of your problems; you're not from the streets. You've never had to fight for a single thing in your lives.. it's all been handed to you.... fancy upbringing...fancy paid for education..... fancy job...fancy life.

You've never bled, never gone hungry, never been in a gang fight, never felt real hard pain. And as a result you just don't have the killer instinct necessary to play politics.

[Danube on iPad]

Tut, tut; calm down. The sophisticates assure us that the GOP is united as never before. Together as one, we can't be stopped!

[Jim Eagle]

So much for that big tent Republican party. Screw them. Finally, they have convinced me to change to independent. Won't be able to vote in the primaries but at least I can honestly turn down any and all fund solicitations without guilt.

BTW, does anyone doubt that without the Tea Party and their righteous anger in 2009-2010 that there would be a Republican controlled house and Speaker? Yeah, hoping the Tea Party gets it's commupence is the ticket. There are 18K openings at the IRS For those who think that way.

[centralcal]

Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 3m

Of the agreement, @SenJohnMcCain says we're now seeing the end of an "agonizing odyssey...one of more shameful chapters I've seen."

[Another Bob]

DoT, so I take it you're happy with status quo?

[windansea]

Fear not my JOM friends, Windansea is back!

By back, I mean I have relocated from my beloved Puerto Vallarta to Sarasota Florida.
Same winter free climate, comes with Amazon Prime, true high speed wifi, only negative is you can't bribe your way out of traffic violations.

First, a palate cleanser, I needed a car so ordered a BMW Active Hybrid 3 with European delivery in Munich. (click on link below to see 3 page thread on my excellent adventure)

Don't worry, haven't gone tree hugger on you, the BMW AH3 is a wolf in sheep's clothing, basically a 335 with standard 300 HP+ motor that has a 55 HP electric motor coupled to the transmission adding another 55 HP plus tons of torque. Yes it hauls ass and averages 31.5 MPG. Gas motor turns off when not needed, kinda fun cruising down an autobahn in the alps at 80 and the tachometer reads zero. Here's the 3 page thread with pics etc

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698306

Sarasota area is very nice, best part of Florida IMHO, good climate, great beaches, and if I play 2 different golf courses per week it will take a year to repeat. Real estate here is recovering very nicely here, average time on MLS to sell is 90 days or less, prices starting to creep upward. No longer a buyers market here, all the developers are having banner years on sales of new homes.

Cheer up, I agree with TM and DOT, while it was good to fight the good fight over debt, time to throw in the cards and let the Obamacare rollout do it's thing. Lots more chips in that pot, and we need to win more elections to reverse the damage.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

Is this thing working again? The blog; not Congress.

[Threadkiller]

I find that, for the most part, the people who can afford lavish European vacations, and moves to resort style communities, find is easy to suggest the pain of a full Obamacare rollout on those who cannot afford such things as a necessary evil.

[jimmyk]

I look forward to the screeching from the TP caucus.

Unity...it's a blissful thing.

Because disunity is obviously the fault of one side, the other (yours) is blameless. Brilliant.

[jimmyk]

Hey, it's working. Maybe.

[sbwaters]

Help, I've fallen and can't get up!

Actually, I'm just trying to get Typhuspad to take a comment.

[Porchlight]

DoT, your friends must really want to punch you in the nose sometimes. ;)

[sbwaters]

Whew! I can breathe again!

[Porchlight]

Hi windansea!

[James D.]

Well, I've had two comments eaten so far. Maybe it's my fault that it temporarily broke...

[centralcal]

What a mess this blog is today - can't get in for over an hour, then have to use bogus email addys to comment.

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

Great to see you Windandsea. In fact it's the only good thing to report about today.

Did you move back for a reason?

[windansea]

Threadkiller | October 16, 2013 at 02:16 PM

Michael Needham, CEO of Heritage Action for America, one of the key groups leading the opposition to Obamacare, acknowledged that the law will survive until the GOP takes back the Senate and the White House, and he argued in the meantime Republicans have to chip away at the law’s various provision through smaller defunding and delay efforts.

“Everybody understands that we’re not going to be able to repeal this law until 2017, and that we have to win the Senate and win the White House,” Needham said on Fox News on Wednesday morning

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361371/heritage-action-chief-we-cant-repeal-obamacare-until-least-2017-andrew-johnson

PS TK "lavish European vacations and moves to resort communities" LOL, you are starting to sound like the putz from Pitzer. Pretty sure no one here at JOM wants Obamacare inflicted on anyone, just facing reality.

PPS: The money I saved buying through BMW european delivery program more than payed for the trip, and I'm currently staying in a friend's condo on a golf course that cost him $75k, and it's a very nice neighborhood. :)

[Jesse]

'Let them eat yellowcake'

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101115408

[windansea]

Did you move back for a reason?

Hi Jane, basically got bored with Mexico, felt like being in my own country again, been down there for 8 years. Going to work for a developer here shortly.

[Some Guy]

hello?

[Some Guy]

Unless there is a long-term deal in place, conventional wisdom is full of it. This is a disaster for the lightbringer and democrats.

The ENTIRE point of the Admin hope’n and change’n for a shutdown was to force a long-term deal beyond Nov. 2014.

Epic fail -- given how much they’ve tanked his credibility to get nothing.

[jimmyk]

windansea, I think TK makes a valid point. We realize that we're stuck with Obamacare for now, but that's a far cry from gloating about it or insisting that this is the best possible outcome.

At the very least, the "let it collapse with maximal pain" view should have been supportive of efforts to eliminate exemptions. We'll never know what would have happened if Boehner and the House Rs had stuck to their guns.

[DrJ]

Trying somethings else...

[Threadkiller]

Danube is on the Lavish trip, windansea.

The Pitzer putz wants guys like you to suffer like the "little guys".

I want guys like you to recognize that the little guys suffer with rollout the establishment, we'll have an establishment of fun plans.

I don't want you to suffer.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

I beklieve Phil Klein gives good advice to TP/Repubs--http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-can-learn-from-democrats-on-advancing-their-agenda/article/2537273

[Jesse]

Medicare started with coffs and sneezing.

It was also a modest beginning. Baby steps are for the whining babies.

[centralcal]

Just testing to see if things are back to "normal" here.

[Nick N.Y.]

McConnell and Boehner seem like nice men.
They just aren't too bright or conscientious.

Maybe that is what most Republicans want.
Nice guys and gals who won't make waves.

[AliceH]

Has anyone seen an actual dollar amount for new Debt Ceiling? All I've seen is this Feb 7 date - but a date is not a ceiling.

Can we guess? Borrow $2B more / day for ~250 days... $500B more debt?

I have no idea. I throwing it out there because no one will report the money and frankly I think that's rather important.

[Old Lurker]

985b allice

[rse]

Can I post now?

http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/empathic-solidarity-to-undergird-economic-citizenship-creating-common-core-beliefs-in-new-social-obligations/

With a link?

[AliceH]

Thanks, OL!

[rse]

Go for the other missing link

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/16/the-wounded-rangers-salute-during-a-purple-heart-ceremony-that-left-the-room-weeping/

Such a fine young man. Report indicates it was a female suicide bomber which explains why the young woman from San Diego was killed I suppose. Cultural sensitivity can be so deadly.

[maryrose]

Dems on Messnbc already crowing along with Jonathan Chait that "they" have won. Obama will try for amnesty but he will have to go through Paul ryan and Boehner first and believe me Obama has poisoned the well there for good. I can't wait to see him begging for a resolution before 2014 elections because his O-care has flopped so badly.
All the trolls can take a victory lap early-I am in for the long haul. In the end, GOP did the best they could in trying to deal with terrorists. Hey the dems use the term why not us.
We did get a committee to work on budget CUTS. Portman and Ryan are the go to guys there. Dems don't have any smart business types they are all lawyers or used car salesmen.
Sequeter stays but that was just a ploy on dems part to get McConnell nervous. As long as we spend less like the last two years Bammy and dems will be frustrated. Senate Repubs let us down. Watch how your own senator votes today and then make adjustments come election time.
I think repubs should reject Reid's bill, and pass their own with medical parts tax deleted and send that back to the Senate.Preezy has said he will reject Vitter amendment. My take _ Obama "No one is going to tell me what to do"

[rse]

I had also posted earlier about the bamn group that protested yesterday at the Supreme Court. Basically between the economic citizenship the massive amounts of federal agency spending are funding and the critical race theory being employed that sees economic differences of racial or ethnic groups as structural issues to be addressed and then groups with names like Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action and Immigrant Rights and Fight for Equality by Any Means Necessary.

From Detroit. We have political programs extinguishing future prosperity until we can call them what they are.

[Danube on iPad]

Ah, unity. Together we march forward, invincible! Whither now, Ted?

[Sandy D]

have to use bogus email addys to comment.

Posted by: centralcal

I stopped using my real addy months ago. Why s/would you use your real addy?

Why wouldn't you use your real addy?

The answer, earlier, was eh, so what... today, I work to make every bit of personal data more difficult to discover.

[AliceH]

Protip: Narcisolator is not just for actual trolls.

[maryrose]

Sandy:
I agree. I am not on Facebook. I don't have an e-mail address. and I use my husband's cellphone because we no longer have a landline. I am essentially "living off the grid"

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

The CR defund/delay was not a hill (or sea lane for navy types) worth dying for, because like Galipoli or Market Garden, while the objective was fine, the means available made it a stupid attempt because Red State Dem Senators had no problem voting against the defund CR b/c it didn't hurt them next November. The only real vote that hurts Red State dems is the Debt Limit. The CR nonsense gave the Dems a pass on that until february, as this vote was agreed to by the Senate first. So we have 4 months to scream at persuadables about the disaster that is the debt, obummerCare and the jobless economy. Then the House can vote a Debt Limit bill with proper poison pills for Senate Dems. I certainly hope that DC conservatives learned that personal ambition and ego has to be suppressed to accomplish the greater goal of winning the Senate and repealing ObummerCare with Reconciliation, and attacking Obummer with a full budget that he has to veto. I know I'm broken record, but like Phil Klein I see the last 2 weeks as a squandered opportunity.

[maryrose]

OL:
How can it be 985b if it is only for 4 months?

[windansea]

windansea, I think TK makes a valid point. We realize that we're stuck with Obamacare for now, but that's a far cry from gloating about it or insisting that this is the best possible outcome.

At the very least, the "let it collapse with maximal pain" view should have been supportive of efforts to eliminate exemptions. We'll never know what would have happened if Boehner and the House Rs had stuck to their guns.

++++++++++++++++

I'm not gloating about anything nor thinking it's implementation is best possible outcome. I think Clarice and Rand Paul had the better idea in fighting the exemptions right off the bat rather than defunding strategy, as that would force dems to defend elitism.

Anyway, the best and only way to repeal Ocare is take back senate and presidency. The more pain Ocare implementation causes to average citizens the harder it will be for dems and the media to spin it. Sorry but a majority of citizens elected these creeps, they need to learn that their votes have consequences. It's the only way conservatives can win back enough of the middle to take control of senate and regain presidency.

[maryrose]

NK:
nothing ventured nothing gained. No opportunity is squandered if it makes more people aware of how their freedoms are being stolen from them. NSA spying ,IRS targeting unfair perks for Congress and Favored businesses illustrate the UNFAIRNESS of the system under Obama. LIV's need to hear this, feel it and see it. Otherwise the corrupt media wins.

[OldTimer]

WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) released the following statement regarding the bipartisan Senate agreement to reopen the federal government and avoid a national default:

“The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people.”

[maryrose]

OT:
When you have only 1/3 of the government and intransient persons who lie and deceive the American public ,for now I think this is the best we can do.Dems's togas are filthy after this mud fight but their true motives are there for all to see as is their basic character or lack thereof.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

the persuadables heard NOTHING about the details discussed places like here. All they know is that the lousy politicians in DC couldn't even keep the entire governmenty open and that obnoxious pres closed some national parks. How did that educate anyone to get their vote against the Dems? It was a useless exercise, and like everything else, useless excercises have opportunity costs that are squandered forever. Hopefully, those won't be too high for the last 2 weeks.

[OldTimer]

Well, I think the mentally challenged, socially dysfunctional occupant could very well have initiated some sort of riot-enabling default, in his blind determination to destroy his foes - the American people, if our side hadn't taken the tack they took.

Maybe this is the best we can hope for, given some of our GOP reps in DC probably think the same thing...

[maryrose]

Even if we fought the exemptions which was a part of one bill passed the dems would have voted it down. They operate in lockstep-even Manchin because they can't think for themselves. The Stepford Wives of the senate.They just follow orders and talking points of Barry and Harry.

[Porchlight]

How did that educate anyone to get their vote against the Dems?

Since you know how to do everything, what exactly should Republicans do to educate your persuadables? What avenues do they truly have open to them?

Be honest. You know the MSM runs everything through Dem-colored filters. Don't just say "more press conferences" or some such nonsense that no LIV ever pays attention to.

It is like you expect them to do the impossible and kick them if they don't accomplish it. Tiresome.

[maryrose]

OT;
You are correct. as I said on an earlier thread,King from Iowa said there was a definite belief that Obama in his hubris would take us over the top which is why this decision came down. That and the fear about the dems tampering with the Budget control Act. when you deal with people who have no conscience or a true understanding of right and wrong then you have to sometimes step back and allow consequences- the disasterous unfolding of )-Care to play out.

[maryrose]

should be Obama-care.

[maryrose]

According to this new agreement people have to prove they are eligible for the subsidy. How do they plan to enforce that if they can't even register? I plan to just tell the IRS that I couldn't get through to register therefore I can't pay a fine for something i wasn't able to purchase.

[Sandy D]

NK,

When I attended of of several SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) training classes, the concept was introduced that you will/WILL be broken.

But, you must resist, Resist, RESIST with all of your might. Then you will break. You will be broken.

You are dragged back to your cell, and the same routine starts again the next day.

And, NK, do you know what you do?

You resist, Resist, RESIST with all of your might. You make the enemy earn all of the information that you were broken for, the previous session, once again. Re-earn it all again.

You fight, Fight, FIGHT, because even though you are outnumbered, and in the weaker position, you fight with whatever strength you have, because to do less, is to surrender.

Never surrender,
never submit,
fight
Fight
FIGHT
with the dimming of the light, with your last breath,
FIGHT as if you were one of our forebears who fought with their dieing breath to preserve and defend the Glorious Republic.
.
.
.
.
.

or you can quit.

.
.
Your choice, you are an American, afterall, and you still have that option. Bequeathed to you by generations of men and women who fought.

[Porchlight]

maryrose, I believe the admin is saying that IRS will not be able to to confirm eligibility for the first few months and that people are currently signing up "on the honor system."

I wish I was making that up.

[derwill]

I think Obama--or rather the people pulling his strings--very much wanted a default.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

This is a long war to minimize the effects of national bankruptcy and socialized medicene for our kids and the nation. I don't know everything, but I do know that in a long war, a priority has to be put on not making useless mistakes that squander assets. The CR defund/delay was such a useless exercise as events have now proven. Persuadables are just that (poll proven)-- they don't like ObummmerCare, they hate the debt, they don't trust Obummer but they won't pull the trigger and vote for Repubs because they dislike some conservative issues or don't trust repubs to do the right thing for them. They are open but conservatives haven't sold them yet. It's not a quick fix, conservatives have to keep going back to ObummerCare/Debt/no jobs as all being linked by the socialist agenda that voting Dem brings in. The social conservative issues are a bigger problem-- but can be overcome. the way to make the deal with persuadeables is to keep reinforcing the things they agree with conservatives about and minimize disagreements. I don't know everything, but this isn't rocket science.

[Porchlight]

derwill, reports today said that ValJar was the architect of the shutdown chicken game (surprise). Doubtless she wanted default as well.

[Jim Eagle]

NK,

That Phil Klein piece is irrelevant. Name one democrat congressman who has been elected since 2001 on a platform of ending the war? Then tell me how many republican congressmen were elected in 2010 on the promise of Tea Party principles of limited government, reduced spending, deficit reduction and repeal of Obamacare.

If anyone needs a lesson its the anti-war crowd.

[jimmyk]

I'm not gloating about anything nor thinking it's implementation is best possible outcome.

Wasn't suggesting you were, but certain others were, and you seemed to be taking their side in maligning TK.

[bgates]

When you have only 1/3 of the government

The fire department constitutes less than 1/3 of the government of my city, but they're expected to put out fires because they have all the hoses. If the public were infuriated by foreign treaties, or the command of our armed forces, Boehner and his lieutenants could justifiably point out that the party has "only 1/3 of the government". But the concern of the moment is the debt, and the House is in control of 100% of the origin of bills to raise revenue.

[Porchlight]

I am not seeing specifics here, NK. Over and over again you post things like: conservatives "haven't sold" persuadables and "have to keep going back to" persuadables and have to "make the deal with" persuadables by "reinforcing the things they agree with" - etc.

HOW??? Using exaclty what messages, messengers, tools, means, delivery systems??

Seriously, if you can't answer that, I don't want to hear your spiel anymore.

It is like you are saying "I don't know everything, but I do know this, if Team X wants to win the football game, they just need to score more touchdowns than the other team." Well DUH.

[jimmyk]

I think Obama--or rather the people pulling his strings--very much wanted a default.

I wish Boehner and other R congressional "leaders" had made it clear that default would result in impeachment proceedings. Just to make clear the principle. Even if the impeachment itself would fail, in this case it would be worth it.

[maryrose]

derwill:
I totally believe this.Obama hoped the default could be used to pillory the repubs before 2014. As it is he is going to get more BUDGET CUTS and SS and MEDicare are on the table as well. He is going to have to swallow tax reform and eat the dried peas of the sequester cuts that REpubs want to enforce. Amnesty -his way is a pipe dream. We will slow walk to our convenience and put in deadlines that help us.He is and will remain a lame duck and he can't claim any credit for this deal because according to him he never negotiated any of it.

[Porchlight]

But the concern of the moment is the debt, and the House is in control of 100% of the origin of bills to raise revenue.

Yes, the origin of the bills, but not their eventual fate.

A better metaphor is that the Congress is the fire department and the GOP House is only in charge of the water supply. And they are threatening to turn off the water if they don't like the way the Dem Senate is driving the truck and the Dem executive is aiming the firehose.

Difficult.

[narciso]

All the world, seems intent on pressing the serf's collar, at least some tried to yell stop, now these same people

[maryrose]

jimmyk:
Your idea about impeachment can still be a future goal AFTER the 2014 elections. When we control House and Senate we can turn the screws on him.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

SandyD-- surrender isn't an option for me... this is for my kids and country. If you ask some other commenters here they'll assure you that I'm a bit to ....ehr.. too stubborn to surrender on just about anything. But let me ask you, did your training advise on 'smart' resistance to maximize the time before breaking is reached? I hope so, I see smart resistance as a vital tactic, especially in the long war like this one against socialism and loss of personal liberty.

[daddy]

G'Day Mates! Misery Loves Company.

Here's a story from Down Under to let you guys know that Political Party's in other countries aren't crazy about their Party leaders either. It is all over the local Channels I'm watching this morning in Sydney.

Nicola Roxon launches scathing critique of 'bastard' Kevin Rudd

The former attorney-general Nicola Roxon has launched a scathing critique of the Rudd years, slamming former prime minister Kevin Rudd as a "bastard" who was a rude and dysfunctional leader and calling on him to quit politics.

"Removing Kevin was an act of political bastardry for sure. But this act of political bastardry was made possible only because Kevin had been such a bastard himself to so many people already," she said on Wednesday evening...

"We didn't explain the dysfunctional decision making and lack of strategy... we didn't talk about his rudeness or contempt for staff or disrespect for public servants."

(Miss Roxon) who was Australia's first female attorney-general under Ms Gillard, also suggested Mr Rudd had a messiah complex.

[Holly]

Did anyone catch Hannity today on the radio? With grandbabies in the car, I couldn't concentrate, but there was an interesting conversation between Hannity and Billy Cunningham. I don't know who Cunningham is, but he claimed to have had a personal conversation with Boehner today (?)m, on the record and off the record. Hannity tried to pin him on the off the record info and Cunningham wiggled, trying not to reveal much, but I got the distinct impression from the bits he did reveal that Boehner just doesn't believe there's any point to fighting Obama. We're gonna lose. So why fight. Oh, he's gonna go through the motions, but essentially it's a losing battle and it's a "fool's errand" to fight, so the "motions" Boehner intends to go through will be fighting, but not fighting. Because real fighting is foolish.

Cunningham likes Boehner. They've been friends since grade school or something.

I wish I could hear more details. Sounded alot like what DOT focuses upon: it's a fool's errand to stand up for principles. Particularly when you know you're gonna lose. Not sure I get the logic. The strategy befuddles me. Apparently the strategy is not an issue of knowing which battle to fight, which I thought was the argument posited by the anti-Cruzers. It seems to be more of a hey, we're not gonna win any battles and anyone who does is a fool to try. Yes, we have principles, but we're not going to fight for them. We're going to sit back and watch our enemies defeat themselves. IOW, no fighting allowed, because if you do, you're a fool.

Totally depressed me, but I'm hoping someone else heard this discussion and can give me hope that what I heard what not what I heard.

BTW, I will never unite behind the party of McCain. Never. Ever.

[NJ Jan]

I tend to agree with NK in that LIVs/persuadables are not working with the same interest or knowledge as most here. They are not outraged by IRS scandal, F&F , Benghazi because there is only peripheral awareness. They see current mess as everyone in Washington's fault. They wake up when they are affected personally. NJ is a prime example. The combination of lost or stagnant salaries along with even higher taxes and fees pulled the trigger and got Christie elected. I see it all around me.

[rse]

narciso-the scary part is the willingness now to admit there is a serf's collar and who is getting a waiver from having to wear one.

[narciso]

Having fitted the collar, will ask that their tenure be retained,, irony. Galson's piece had a good opening and ending, but the core was rubbish.

[Porchlight]

They see current mess as everyone in Washington's fault. They wake up when they are affected personally.

Well then, if that is true, they're just going to have to feel the pain. There's no "reframing" or "better messaging" or "smart resistance" that's going to get through, so let's stop talking about all that stuff as if it's the silver bullet.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

Porch-- step one is talk about the debt and the horrors of ObummerCare and why it must be repealed, which voters who don't vote Repub in POTUS or Senate elections but will listen to becuase they consistently poll that they don't like those Obummer disasters-- DON'T use precious media time to talk about defunding and Shutdowns and Nat'l Park closings that they don't want to effin' hear about. Conservatives blew an opportunity here at friggin step one. Specific enough?

[Porchlight]

Holly, I hear you. But on a more personal level, can you imagine Boehner's frustration? One human can only do so much. I bet he is exhausted. Anyone would feel beaten down after years of fighting against these thugs.

[narciso]

The deserved slpa I was looking with authoruity.

http://www.niallferguson.com/blog/inflated-claims

[AliceH]

porchlight@4:36 ... COSIGN!

[maryrose]

NK:
Agreed. For the future, smart resistance is a tactic to be employed. This time raising the issues was important in a no information environment.
bgates: That was my initial understanding also. However with no support from the Senate and a very bad scenario if debts wouldn't be paid {they could be but Lew and Barry decide not to} then we have a big dilemma on our hands. You have to understand that currently we are living in a semi-democracy,led by a tyrant who won't listen to reason.

[Porchlight]

Ok, NK, and which media channels will helpfully carry this talk to the persuadables in a nice, short, non-biased package that they can understand?

The "precious media time" given to Cruz was ONLY given to him because he was filibustering. He only got on camera at all because he took a risk.

All the talking you advise has been and will be completely ignored or twisted by the MSM.

[pagar 75]

Here we go again.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/16/voting-irregularities-in-njsen-race-reported-by-lonnegan-campaign/

Is it possible to have an election that involves a Democrat and not have fraud?

[jimmyk]

Maryrose, I was more responding to the gutter move of Barry and his thugs in the MFM talking about "default." Boehner needed to shove that one back down his scrawny gullet rather than tremble in fear.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

I think Boehner rightly feels we don't deserve his service. ALL he promised before 2010 elections was to 'stop more bad things from happening'. he's delivered that, and all he gets from a lot of conservatives is back of the hand. We've been pretty lousy to him frankly.

[AliceH]

I'm kind of lost as to why the GOP needs to pound a message about debt and ACA to reach persuadables that don't like the debt or ACA.

What exactly is the persuasion in there?

[Porchlight]

pagar, interesting that they would feel the need to cheat if Booker was supposed to be able to run away with it as predicted.

[Porchlight]

I don't get it either, AliceH.

NK, I would pretty much agree with your 4:56.

[Army of Davids]

The appropriate response to such an outcome is to continue to hammer ObamaCare over and over and over again.

And take down a few French Republicans in the process

Here is an idea what the Surrender Caucus is scared to stand against:

Headwinds to main street employment from ObamaCare:

- new regulatory compliance costs
- new taxes (w/ more to come in 2014)
- mandates
- higher health insurance costs
- implicit uncertainty/complexity

[sbwaters]

Well, I did my part, but not just with editorials.

A handwringing do-gooder who should have known better wrote in a Letter to the Editor about extremist ideologues and callous disregard for the lives of ordinary people shown by right-wingers.

I did my part . . . with a 7 page long fisking of his letter in chapter and verse, backed by evidence.

May not have changed his mind, but I certainly feel better.

And next time he see's me, he's going to have to find a way to say hello comfortably.

[jimmyk]

We've been pretty lousy to him frankly.

Oh, boo hoo. Maybe he should get a job at Disney World. Did he think being Speaker would be a walk in the park? I haven't been particularly critical of him, but this was a fail. Don't go down the road of a shutdown if you don't have the guts to stand up to the Dems' thuggery and are just going to capitulate.

[NJ Jan]

The MSM will always aid and abet progressives and persuadables don't look much further. I am not sure how the haze is penetrated. Just listening to Robin Leach on Cavuto with Stuart Varney. He is expressing this much better than I have.

[maryrose]

NK:
I agree to disagree. The National Parks barrycades was a pure winner for repubs. It shredded Obama's nice guy image and his mask slipped big time. That is the image people will remember when all this slimdown business is over. I don't think Boehner should violate the Hastert rule but agree he has been under a lot of pressure. Seeing Carney grinning at the podium today did cause me to throw up a bit in my mouth. I am sure once a bill is signed Barry will sjow no class and overplay his hand by inserting himself into the ultimate result. Fortunately for me I will not have to hear him do it.I'll be happy to watch any reruns on any station to avoid seeing his face on camera.

[derwill]

I think that for Obama and his fellow Marxist , a default would have been the mother of all crises that they couldn't let go to waste.

[Porchlight]

Well, jimmyk, historically, Presidents have negotiated and made concessions. Currently we have an ahistorical President and an ahistorical media behind him.

[maryrose]

Also the withholding of death benefits was a HUGE error and Fisher last night stated he awarded 25000 to each family because of the slow walk of benefits awarded to the folks from the lazy haphazard administration officials.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

Porch--Repubs/conservatives look like we have the House for several more cycles (knock wood), we have 30+ governorships, we have 46+% of the POTUS popular vote locked-- the real problem is in Purple state Senate/EC elections. That's were conservatives have to be constant and resolute, and the message is attacking dems' reckless debt and socialized medicene. Keep the message simple and constant in social media, Blogging, comments to Legacty media stories, constant-- I have no easy solutions, we must keep the message simple and to the liking of persuables-- even if some doctrinaire conservatives find it too simplistic. Forget doctrine, win first. Purples will trend Red, and then the Blue Hells will collapse, that will help spread the message. That's all I got... see I don't know everything.

[maryrose]

derwill: You are on a roll taday! Totally concur.

[NJ Jan]

Pagar and PL
The answer to election cheating -- it's New Jersey. Same as breathing.