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October 30, 2013

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Extraneus

White House intimidating insurers into staying quiet on the ObamaCare debacle?

“What is going on is, behind the scenes attempt by the White House to at least keep insurerers from publicly criticizing what is happening on this Affordable Care Act rollout. Basically, if you speak out, if you are quoted, you’re going to get a call from the White House, pressure to be quiet,” reports CNN.

“Several sources tell me and my colleague Chris Frates that insurance executives are being told to keep quiet. [The head of] a consulting firm for big insurance and an out spoken critic of Obamacare says he is getting calls from these executives who want him to speak out, Anderson, for them about the problems because they feel defenseless against the White House PR team. … the White House is exerting massive pressure on the industry, including the trade associations, to keep quiet. Sources telling us they fear White House retribution.”

Extraneus

What are you trying to say about women?

jimmyk on iPad

Steyn's latest is interesting but I have to disagree with the premise, which is that Americans like big government as much as Europeans, but we don't admit. As a result we get backdoor big government like Obamacare rather than single-payer, for example.

I think more of us genuinely don't like big government (and the Constitution still has some bite) so the power-hungry have to resort to lies and shell games to get what they want.

http://www.steynonline.com/5862/third-party-statism

jimmyk on iPad

Oops, I thought my first one didn't fire, so I aimed and fired again.

Threadkiller

I have learned that without copies of the very specific emails, the claims of Whitehouse intimidation are without merit.

Threadkiller

Steyn is liking the rinky-dink.

Jim Eagle

Howie Carr: We've Already Met our Knucklehead Quota

"First he screws up healthcare, no he wants to screw up the world series".

Read the whole thing. Howie is en fuego today.

Stephanie on kindle armchair QB flea flicker enthusiast

Lol. Many women don't think without getting all caught up in how they feel and can't divorce feelings from their logic instead of weighing the logical answer with the emotional one and valuing them accordingly.

Like I said I don't have alot of women friends. Can't abide the feelers.

Jane

I'm trying to figure out how I can make a billion dollars from this law. I'm sure there is a ton of litigation fodder.

I for one will not go on an unsafe website - no matter who tells me to. And I assume if personal information is stolen, with all the fair warning, there is a lawsuit there.

NK(tryin'2.0)

Stephanie@12:55-- is that my wife? are you using 'Stephanie' as a JOM posting name?

Stephanie on kindle armchair QB flea flicker enthusiast

Hahaha. No.

Glad to find out your wife thinks as I do. I bet if I met your wife I'd have one more friend.

NK(tryin'2.0)

White House intimidation? an extraordinary claim, it needs extraordinary proof. A 'spokesman' for insurers making the hearsay claim that insurers are receiving 'phone calls' from unnamed WH flunkies, that is an allegation, not proof-- much less extraordinary proof. To prove it, the claim needs to be substantiated by at least one party to one of those calls. A whistleblower from the WH would be best evidence.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

That Howie Carr piece is hilarious: When I comes to baseball lore, Barry makes John Kerry look like Bill James.

James D.

jimmyk, I think, if you take the country as a whole, Steyn is right.

I think it wasn't always true, but it is now. Several trillion dollars of the "war on poverty" and two generations of total prog control over the education system from kindergarten through graduate school have done precisely what they were intended to do.

OldTimer

The Republicans, again, are not unified - all have separate agendas and not enough time to followup with their questioning. The Dem's, again, are asking inane pointless questions, ridiculing Repub's and allowing Cruella the full rink to skate.

Pointless.

GMax

Kansas has to be awfully proud today. Their favorite daughter on public display! Just think a majority can say, I once voted to put her in charge of running my State.

Extraneus

Since I posted this story last December, I feel responsible to provide the latest update.

Australian woman loses bid for compensation for sex injury while on work trip

Australia's highest court has ruled a bureaucrat injured while having sex on a work trip is not entitled to workers' compensation
The bureaucrat, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was hospitalised in November 2007 after a glass light fitting above a bed she was having sex in fell onto her face injuring her nose and mouth. The woman also suffered psychological injury.

The woman was visiting a regional office observing the budget review process, meeting regional staff and undertaking training — and staying in a motel room booked by her employer.

According to the court transcript the fitting was pulled from its mount either by the woman or by her acquaintance.

The important test case was brought by Comcare, the government's insurer, which said it centred on whether the woman was "considered ‘in the course of employment’ for workers’ compensation purposes."

The ruling, which would have flow-on effects for other compensation cases, shows that in order to be eligible for compensation Australian workers must be "expressly or impliedly induced or encouraged by the employer" to undertake an activity which leads to injury.

There was no suggestion that the sexual activity was work-related.

Extraneus

White House intimidation? an extraordinary claim, it needs extraordinary proof.

Why does it "need" proof? Is someone going to court?

Stephanie on kindle armchair QB flea flicker enthusiast

Btw, don't know if the other IT folks noticed this, but Sebelius in her testimony on security seemed to think that security of data was adequate because they have not just passwords but security questions!!! to protect user data totally missing the point of how hackers attack the datasets themselves. The stored dataset that has the answers to your security questions stored in it. Mind blowing answer I thought.

Threadkiller

There always needs to be proof in the court of public opinion.

jimmyk on iPad

Arnold Kling has it right, basically what we've been saying: the website is the least of it, and just a distraction from the real problems.

http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-obamacare-suitsgeeks-divide/

henry

Stephanie, data security is like airport security... the theater is more important than the reality.

Dave (in MA)

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/10/30/Putin-topples-Obama-in-Forbes-power-ranking

But Jugears comes in first under Flexibility.

NK(tryin'2.0)

A snarky suggestion was made that we should all discredit as false the allegations of intimidation because they have not yet proven, apparently in an attempt to make some kind of vacuous analogy to the allegations of fraudulent birth certificates, which have been around for years, yet never proven and virtually discredited in full. Just wanted to restate what my personal standards of proof are.

Extraneus

Obama - Remarks to AFL - CIO

"I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care plan. The United States of America--the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent--14 percent of its gross national product on health care and cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody and that's what Jim is talking about when he says, 'Everybody in. Nobody out.' A single payer health care credit--universal healthcare credit. That's what I'd like to see, but as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House and we've got to take back the Senate and we've got to take back the House."

Obama - Remarks - 8/4/07

"This is a two trillion dollar part of our economy and it is my belief that it's not just politically but economically it is better for us to start getting a system in place--a universal healthcare system signed into law by the end of my first term as president and build off that system to further to make it more rational..."

"By the way, Canada did not start immediately with a single payer system. They had a similar transition step. "

Obama- New Hampshire Public Radio 11/21/07

OBAMA: It's a transitional system building on the existing systems that we have.

HOST: Transitional to what?

OBAMA: Transitional, hopefully, because the system is currently a patchwork of inefficiency that over time I would want to see Medicaid, Medicare, the Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)--all those integrated more effectively.

Obama - Public Remarks 4/3/07

"Let's say that I proposed a plan that moved to a single payer system--Let's say Medicare plus. Essentially, everybody can buy Medicare, for example..."

"Transitioning a system is a very difficult and costly and lengthy enterprise. It's not like you can turn on a switch and you go from one system to another. So it's possible that up front, you wouldn't need not just-- you might need an additional ninety or a hundred billion dollars a year."

Obama - (SEIU Healthcare Forum) - 3/24/07

"But I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.."

Obama - Public Remarks - 1/27/05

"There's no denying that part of the solution in the health care arena as we transition and deal with the legacy systems that we've inherited will probably require some additional money."

Obama - Remarks to American Medical Association - 6/15/2009

"The public option is not your enemy. It is your friend...Let me also address an illegitimate concern that is being put forward by those who are claiming a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single payer system."

Obama - (SEIU Healthcare Forum) - 3/24/07

"My commitment is to make sure we've got universal health care for all Americans by the end of my first term as president..."

"I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can't go through their employers to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort...but I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.."

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/10/29/Flashback-Obama-s-Campaign-to-Transition-to-Single-Payer-Health-Care-VIDEO

Captain Hate on the iPhone

I hope all the IT dumbasses that supported the JEF are holding their empty heads at that security answer.

matt

"Spot" is the default security answer.

jimmyk on iPad

Remember that when Barry described profit as "overhead," what he really revealed is his belief that government can provide services at lower cost than the private sector. Even if that were true at a moment in time, because of the power of coercion, it misses out on the how the private sector created all the technology that the government would use, plus the innovation-stifling effect of government involvement.

Threadkiller

NK brought up the birth certificate. I did not.

Will anyone remember?

LoL!


True of false:

Was a lesson given that speculation of intimidation is not as credible as factual documentation of said intimidation?

Old Lurker

NK you were around the corner from my house. Coulda been an adult beverage in it for you if I were not on Home Care duty.

NK(tryin'2.0)

The CNN report was not speculation, it was a hearsay allegation of intimidation being delivered by the 'White House'and experienced by insurance company executives. I assume the allegation is true (at least to a degree), but I have to admit it is unproven. If there is unamimous agreement that the birth certificate nonsense no longer even rises to the level of a credible allegation, I'm glad to hear that.

Marlene

Welcome Annie Laurie. Stephanie,great analysis. Insurance is regulated by the state,also there are internal audits. The navigators have no insurance credentials or licenses,which is insulting.

jimmyk on iPad

Eww, get your mind's eyewash ready:

David Burge @iowahawkblog
Sebelius should have gone Full Sharon Stone. #OrNot

Frau Ernst

Citizen or subject?

Several oldies keep coming to mind: "Sixteen Tons (The Company Store)" and, of course, "You don't Own Me." I'm sure there are others.

You don't own me
I'm not just one of your many toys
You don't own me
Don't say I can't go with other boys

And don't tell me what to do
Don't tell me what to say
And please, when I go out with you
Don't put me on display 'cause

You don't own me
Don't try to change me in any way
You don't own me
Don't tie me down 'cause I'd never stay

I don't tell you what to say
I don't tell you what to do
So just let me be myself
That's all I ask of you

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Yeah that profit as overhead comment was like a word processor with a virus.

Marlene

Howie Carr will be must listen radio this afternoon!

Old Lurker

From the Daily Caller:

Old plans were grandfathered unless they are changed in any respect (even when that change is mandated by the ACA).

Talk about Catch 22 (for those of us old enough to remember what that is).

Further:

"The fine print in his health law proves that he never intended to keep that promise.

Sec. 1251(a)(1) of the Affordable Care Act says that no one can be required to give up a plan in effect on March 23, 2010, when the law was passed. Those plans are “grandfathered.” But following that guarantee is a list of costly requirements that made it difficult for insurers to keep offering your plan.

It gets worse. Union plans were “grandfathered” with none of those fine print tricks and exceptions. (Sec. 1251(d))

The law also left open the possibility that the president could impose additional requirements on grandfathered plans (except union plans.) Two months after Obamacare was passed, the IRS, Deptartment of Labor, and Department of Health and Human Services – all reporting to the president – churned out hundreds of additional rules to make it even harder for grandfathered plans to survive.

The rule makers knew that they were turning the president’s promise into a flim flam. They estimated that up to 69 percent of individual plans and 89 percent of small group plans would be cancelled by the end of 2013 as a result of their rules. (Federal Register, June 14, 2010).

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/29/a-lie-from-day-one/#ixzz2jEC7GKzA

NK(tryin'2.0)

Whadya know OL-- small world. That part of Mont Co., is so beautifully laid out, I always liked the look of the place since I first visited in '78.

BTW-- I exited Beltway 39, and wrongly headed East on River Rd, so I had to do a U-Turn. At the next light with a turning lane I did so-- that was the gated entrance to Congressional CC. 500 PM, no guard at the gate house, I turned around in the parking lot and left-- they were nice enough not to shoot my tires out.

Frau Sankt Peter

Today is St. PUK's Day, political mental health saint for JOM.
From the Wayback Machine:

I don't think Obama is a black Lincoln."

There is some European socialist in him,perhaps he is a Lincoln Continental?

Posted by: PeterUK | March 20, 2008 at 08:19 PM

Stephanie on kindle armchair QB flea flicker enthusiast

The republican governor in Georgia required that navigators be licensed and is taking alot of flack for that from dems.

Threadkiller

Tell me, NK, do you even know what my comment was in reference to?

It is you who is engaging in speculation because ultimately you know that the dupes on this site will think I went horribly off topic, when in reality it is you that has twice envoked a circumstance that I have not mentioned.

I guess this is my cross...

I apologize that I made NK go berserk.

Account Deleted

I would offer 404Care.fail as a very reasonable example of the result of removing profit as a motivational force for provision of goods or services.

It should be the symbol of Rainbow Unicorn reality forever.

Some Guy

While the hearing was going on where did she hang the dalmation coat?

(A) nuther Bub

Sebelius and the hearings are such bad theater that my mind turns to wondering whether daddy is still enjoying his $18,000 worth of wretched excess. Are you there yet, daddy?

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Bang spot on, Rick; if we had a real opposition party the welfare state would be in flames surrounded by dry hydrants.

Old Lurker

Actually NK, had you turned left at the next CCC light you would have passed their golf course, then the ATP Avenel Course, then you would drive directly into my yard. (Once a year drunks do just that, and I have my fence guy on speed dial).

If I needed to make a buck, my neighbors make a fortune renting their houses during golf turnaments.

Old Lurker

tournaments

Frau Sankt Peter

I guess I may be a day early so today is St. PUK's Eve. This time of year always brings him to mind and reminds me how much he is missed.

daddy

The plane over north Greenland sped
While daddy Jack Aubrey he read.
Dom Perignon nearly kil't him
But Port and chocolate rebuilt him
and he landed in Dubai well fed.

maryrose

Sebelius said she is ineligible for )-care
She is not. She said it is illegal for her to sign up it is not. She finally said she would if she could.-No one will make her do it. Dems looked obseqious and fawning repubs asked good nail her to the wall questions but noone asked her if she worked for all the people-not just the supporters of her -iss-poor law.Also admitted Barry is in charge of O-care and HHS and this debacle.

NK(tryin'2.0)

OL-- you live amongst wonderful surroundings.

Miss Marple

jimmyk, Americans pretty much ignore government unless it gets personal. This would include Obamacare.

They pay no attention to the number of people in the EPA, or government benefits. They don't care about how many federal ag agents there are in the country.

BUT, when it interferes with their lives and pocketbooks, THEN they get upset.

SO I would say Americans like invisible big government. When they see its face, not so much.

jimmyk

Thanks for checking in, daddy. Were the flight attendants up to your standards?

Porchlight

Sorry, late to the thread, but OL at 10:33, if your question hasn't been answered yet:

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/29/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance

This suggests that there was a rewrite of the regs to make them more narrow in July 2010 and that resulted in the bulk of the now- or soon-to-be-canceled plans being un-grandfathered as DoT mentioned.

jimmyk

I think that's right, Miss M, but there's also an incremental frog-in-water aspect to it, whereas 404Care is like plunging the frog right into the hot water.

cathyf

If two gay men are married, does the government require their policy to cover maternity?

caro

I need help. A lib friend sent me this quote from the Economist and I want to respond with some barbed humor. No one is better at this than the JOM crew.

After the House had sidelined itself, a deal was struck in the Senate between Harry Reid, the leader of the Democratic majority, and Mitch McConnell, the leader of the Republican minority. This came after separate talks between a group of moderate, mostly female, senators from northerly states, suggesting that a willingness to compromise correlates with possession of two X-chromosomes and a pair of snowshoes.

Dave (in MA)

Last I heard, Obama's not girly-throwing out the first pitch tonight. El Tiante will be on the mound.

henry

Caro, I don't think Grahamnesty has any snowshoes.

Stephanie

I would agree MM, but with one caveat: as government grows, it becomes more difficult for the government to remain invisible.

TSA gone wild, Educator zero tolerance rules gone wild, even potholes gone wild are all stuff that people see every day. Even if they don't fly, don't have kids in school, don't even drive, they are cognizant that the government has gone wild. Cumulatively, it all adds up to a disaffected electorate.

Now if the republicans can just reign in the disgust...

Threadkiller

Then your friend should love the northernmost snow bunny. Palin.

Old Lurker

Caro, who had bigger balls, Maggie Thatcher or Lindsey Graham? Who had the rounder heels?

Extraneus

I don't think Grahamnesty has any snowshoes.

I wouldn't bet on that.

DrJ

caro,

I wouldn't bother with a reply. The Economist includes many throw-away lines, and I think this is one of them.

Also, their US reporting has become so far left that I hardly recognize it any longer. I still enjoy a couple of their columns and general world new reporting, but their US reporting is almost unreadable.

Threadkiller

Former Red Sox pitcher Luis Tiant remembers the feelings going through his mind 40 years ago when he became a citizen of the United States.

 http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080917&content_id=3496097&c_id=bos&fext=.jsp

cathyf
And I assume if personal information is stolen, with all the fair warning, there is a lawsuit there.
Sovereign immunity.
Jim Eagle

Isn't Virginia a big Federal government population among the voters? How does the problems with ObamaCare somehow translate into votes for Cuccinelli if a lot of those voters are not affected by ObamaCare?

Some Guy

daddy,

A little late to your query re the XC90. It’s a good well-rounded selection for someone requiring 4wd. However, her current Jeep may not actually be a lemon.

New car dealers barely breakeven on car sales and the only profitable operation are the service departments. The surest way to make a service dept profitable is to have lots of warranty claims that get reimbursed from the factory. A loose connection from a sensor becomes a ‘defective sensor’ and so on.

Additionally, ‘factory trained’ service guys are not particularly good at diagnosing faults or noticing failure patterns. Some are very low-level people who just do whatever the service writer puts on the form. Throwing parts at a problem rather than pinpointing causes is common, and not enough understand the interaction of sensors, cpus, and mechanical components.

Perhaps before you dump the Jeep, you should see if you have a Jeep specialist with an independent shop (and who has the factory computer systems) near enough to you to make sense. Tell him the issues you’ve had and see if it’s worth holding on to. Worst case, you'll find a good place to have your Jeep looked after.


NK(tryin'2.0)

CathyF-- I'm sure that's right. Although the Insurance Co's won't be covered-- they'll have to seek bankruptcy protection. Hmmm... Article 7 dissolution or 11 reorganization?, I wonder.

NK(tryin'2.0)

JiB-- The shutdown hurts Repubs in Va right now. ObamaCare should help Repubs in Va-- and everywhere else-- in '14.

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

Those women were the biggest losers in the senate I recall.

Frau, is tomorrow the anniversary of PUK's death or his birthday?

ddady

Am I ever going to issue another JOM comment that doesn't need subsequent correction?

Welcome to the world of the aging. :)

I remember in the early days of the the internet, when I was a regular on Usenet, and I prided myself on how I could post flawlessly without even proofreading, and I couldn't understand how people could post stuff with typos.


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Stephanie

From a commenter at Ace's:

The Feds are trying to declare insurance companies, aka Met Life, etc, as systemic organizations that fall under the dowd frank regulations on reserves, etc.

Basically, life insurance companies have billions of dollars the feds wants to control.

It's call socialism.

Anyone else seen/heard anything about this?

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

LOL DDady,

Obama is speaking in the room where I was sworn in as a lawyer. I feel so dirty.

Extraneus

I was able to speed-read that without missing a word.

Dave (in MA)

Jack is Back, Howie's funnier columns often consist largely of things that callers to his radio show said the day before. This one is no exception.

NK(tryin'2.0)

XC-90 and Grand Cherokee-- my wife had a 2007 XC 90 for 6 years- nice ride, the V-6 Turbo had plenty of power, but Volvo service costs were Audi/BMWish and several significant things went wrong. I test drove the Grand Cherokee last year-- fabulous ride, like a Lexus sedan. Didn't get it, my wife's long commute led us to get a diesel. When my 14 yo Suburban gives up the ghost we'll get a GMC Yukon (short version).

Jeff Dobbs

Jane:
Frau, is tomorrow the anniversary of PUK's death or his birthday?

RIP Peter Bocking
November 2, 1941 - October 31, 2009

OL:
Caro, who had bigger balls, Maggie Thatcher or Lindsey Graham?

And here dear PUK is relevant. A non-regular commenter made a quip comparing Thatcher and Obama - and PUK replied...

"He seems to be in a similar situation as Thatcher was when she 1st became prime minister."

He wears a frock? The difference is Thatcher had a pair of balls,Michelle wears Obama's for earrings.

Posted by: PeterUK May 05, 2009 at 06:00 PM

NK(tryin'2.0)

I really miss PeterUK.

Clarice

Hi, Annie Laurie.

Windansea, Love that Iowahawk!

I checked the WaPo story yesterday of a 12 pt McGoniff poll. It was taken a month ago, The WaTimes story of a 4 pt lead seems more recent--what intervened? Obamacare! If McGoniff is so far ahead why is he hauling in the Clintons?

jimmyk

Anyone else seen/heard anything about this?

Yes, I heard something recently. I forget the firm involved, but pretty sure it was insurance. They were protesting against being called "systemically important" and therefore subject to additional regulation and scrutiny. Might have been Met Life.

Marlene

Stephanie@2:27...I'll ask hubby. He's been doing this for 35 years.
I love my Grand Cherokee. It drives itself to and from NH,I feel safe driving it.

Clarice

Plus the WaTimes poll calculates 8% independents and someone on an earlier thread Va has never had more than 1% voting independent, The pollster says if it's a two way race, McGoniff has only a one point lead. Some on Virginia, bring it home and make every Democrat in America soil his britches.

jimmyk

Here it is: Actually three US insurers, Met Life, Prudential, and AIG.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323993804578614244083814244

(May not be available through paywall)

How long before Joe's Pizzeria is labeled systemically important?

maryrose

NK:
I miss PeterUK as well.
Beasts: Glad to hear you had such a great Birthday!
Loved the candy thread. I am familiar with all the kinds mentioned. We used to have a small store in Cleveland called Kouris Kandy. All candy cost a penny. Atomic redhot balls were a favorite. I hated maryjanes-toffe flavored, loved 3 musketeer and peppermint patties. Hated jujubees which stuck to my teeth and little dots of candy on paper because you always ended up chewing on a wad of paper.
CC; I think I might have had a different user name back in 2008 so I am going to check daddy's link to see if I did. My handle now is in fact my real married name.
How does this health insurance debacle play out? After today and a once again crashed website-which according to Cruella has never crashed-it was down for the 3 and a half hours of testimony, I would say the future does not look bright.Hannity had a great in studio debate focus group. They keep repeating it is the insurance companies's fault. That will not hold up to scrutiny and soon another meme will take its place. All of Barry's crowd are on thin ice and desperate to pivot back to jobs or some other distraction. Sadly the electorate, fully awake now will not let them.
I agree with the Quinny poll showing a 4 point difference. If Virginians are smart -they will use this governor's election to send a message to the Clintons and Obama. We don't want you or your asinine liberal policies. I have faith in Janet and Virginia!

NK(tryin'2.0)

Clarice-- Quinipiac (Likely Voters) has it 45-41 McGoniff (heh I like that), with 9% Libertarian, and if Lib votes have to decide between McGoniff and KenC it's 47-45.
I have no idea if Quinipiac has any Va expertise. And Jim geraghty today called the race a 'rout'. I hope I'm wrong, but I think McGoniff has it in the bag.

Jim Eagle

NK,

There is no maintenance cost for a BMW for the first 4 years or 50K miles. Plus at time of purchase you can purchase an additional 4 year and 50K as extended warranty. Only time I have ever given BMW money is for tires - ordinary wear. You can get tire damage insurance at time of purchase but it doesn't cover normal wear.

Now the price differential between a comparable BMW X5 and the XC90 is another story.

Sue

I can't wait until life insurance and homeowners insurance do away with that pesky per-existing nonsense,

Clarice

**A TWO point (not a one point) lead*

maryrose

Repub committee needs to put money in the Virginia race immediately. We can win this one!

Clarice

Smooches, PUK, I hope the heavenly hosts love you as much as we still do.

caro

LOL, daddy. That must have taken ages to type. You are usually near perfect except for the purposeful apostrophe's.

DrJ, agree on the mag. My first response was...sexist hogwash.

Steph, I think some years ago it was determined that the JOM girl gang leaned to thinkers, rather than feelers in a big way.

maryrose

caro:
You are right! We are some of Stephanie's best buds.
I am really enjoying the posts of all the JOM'ers these past many years.

bgates

caro, whenever I hear the word I'm reminded that all of the great compromises in American history had to do with attempts by Democrats to control the lives of other human beings, and a weak-willed opposition party that too often helped them do it.

You could also tell your friend that if she'd like to make a donation to a female politician from up north, you have the perfect suggestion for her.

cathyf

...but do remember that when it comes to confronting stupidity, the JOM girl gang leans towards *thwack*ers. Big time.

(A) nuther Bub

Steph, I think some years ago it was determined that the JOM girl gang leaned to thinkers, rather than feelers in a big way.

We like to believe we are thinkers not feelers because we know that thinking=superior;feeling=inferior.

Sorry, but that's how I feel.

Sue

Sitting in a doctors office this morning and the tv was on the Today Show. I think the tipping point had occurred with Obamacare. The hosts and reporters were telling the truth. ::surprised face::

caro

bgates, that is brilliant. I knew I could count on you. And I definitely want to bring it back to Sarah.

It is a guy. I am sure he's a feeler.

maryrose

Some of us also enjoy mud-wrestling but I won't say who.

Jim Eagle

More snarky Ivy Leaguers Boo Ray Kelley Off Stage

Remember these same spoiled brats will be running this country in the next 20 years if not sooner.

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