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October 22, 2013

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Neo

Of course, there is the United Nations Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (Vienna, December 1988).

MarkO

That Convention and the War on Drugs stopped it in its tracks. Thank Heaven.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

HOF Levin tonight.

jimmyk

Speaking of expanded Medicade, a mea culpa: I misspoke earlier (yesterday?) when I talked about the magnitude of the Medicaid expansion (apart from accidentally typing Medicare). The expansion isn't as big as I'd described. The 400% of the poverty level was the number for subsidy eligibility, while the expanded Medicaid eligibility is something like 133% of the poverty level.

jimmyk

Ack, *Medicaid*

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Hope you had a well deserved great time on your birthday, narciso. May you have many more, and may you continue to educate all of us as you have all these years. Well done, sir.

Ignatz

--That Convention and the War on Drugs stopped it in its tracks. Thank Heaven.--

Don't you know, that's the sound of the men working on the choom ga-ang.

Gus

Ignatz, EVERYTHING Obama and his Hacks do, is a SHAM. Every failure is denied, and no successes ever occur.

narciso

How does one link a podcast,

Captain Hate on the iPhone

I don't think you can link a podcast but you can link the page it's on.

narciso

I think the link at the question, was it;

narciso

So George Will went to Fox, because he didn't want to keep leaving DC, on the positive side, it looks like Sally Kohn is no longer with Fox.

Gus

Sally Kohn is a lezbo HACK. George Will is a TEA PARTY PATRIOT!! (JUST KIDDING).
Who would you follow into battle.
Lil Johnny Boehner Mellencamp.
Johnny Crash and burn McCain,
Mitch, the Libtards Bitch McConnell,
or
Ted Cruz?
Who would FIGHT for You?

Gus

If the REPUBLICAN PARTY has ZERO POWER and if the Senate is LIBTARDOCRAT, THE EXEC IS OBAMMIECOMMIECRAT, and if Little Johnny Boehners HOUSE O'Reps, is IRRELEVANT and has ZERO POWER nor ABILITY to have any AFFECT on POLICY nor LEGISLATION.........How can this TEEEEEEEEEEENY so efffing EXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXTREME TEA PARTY,
Be RESPONSIBLE for ANYTHING??? Anyone?? Beuhler???? DANUBE????

MarkO

Hide the women and children.

Gus

Obama is going down in flames. So is America.

Gus

I watched 2 minutes of Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC tonight. Lawrence O'Donnell, GETS PAID to SPEW illogical NONSENSE. Literally, Lawrence O'Donnell's tripe is "illogical", yet the CLOWN thinks he's prescient. We are in BIG TROUBLE as a NATION, when such a FUCKING BUFFOON is paid A'PLENTY, and is as stupid as a box of TAMPAX.

Beasts of England

Shoot me now. My city wants to rename a central street after Joseph Lowery. I don't give a damn that he was born here, he's a thug and a mental midget. And a racist.

Danube on iPad

"...finds the TP plan more humane and more realistic."

Problem with that analysis is that it fails to take account of the schadenfreude premium, which is substantial.

rich@gmu

Problem with that analysis is that it fails to take account of the schadenfreude premium, which is substantial.

Posted by: Danube on iPad


lol. it has got to be martini hour somewhere.

and don't forget the satisfaction of saying "I told you so".

not sure there are many votes in doing that though as the rather disasterous VA governor's race will attest.

rich@gmu

You can keep your plan if you like your plan, except if you are a KP customer in Florida.

300,000 LOSE HEALTH PLANS IN FLORIDA

(hummm, more people lost their insurance in Florida than those able to peek at GovIns rates from across the nation...Hazlitt...I told you so...yada, yada, yada)

Yikes!!!

and DOOM!!!

Kevin B
I'm ok with the complete legalization of all drugs. It's a libertarian thing.

Oh, I'm ok with that as well... Provided that is, people take responsibility for the downside that drugs may bring into their lives.

In other words, if you want to do drugs, by all means go ahead but don't expect my taxes to keep you in food, drink, housing, medical treatment etc., nor to support your bastard kids nor care for the people whose lives are wrecked by your habit, (unless as a voluntary, charitable contribution).

Other than that, go for it.

matt

In the mid 70's I lived near Needle Park for a while. Every couple of days, especially on cold winter days they would find the bodies of one or two junkies who didn't make it through the night. Zip 'em up and take 'em down to the morgue.

I lost several acquaintances to the needle during those days as well as some to pills and suicide. The coincidence of mental illness and drug abuse is well known.

Heroin addicts have a 3% chance at rehabilitation.

People are self destructive, but once the drugs get them in their mitts it is a horrible struggle. Many prefer the shit brown haze of addiction. The old "help me make it through the night".

I don't have the answers. The War on Drugs is over and we lost. The State's reaction is a joke.

For Weed I would make them wear a nice big green "W" on their chests and take away the vote and education rights. Act like a dummy, get treated like a dummy.

For the rest I might do the same but take away some services and beef up others. They are damaged goods regardless and often can't help themselves.

Lester

Matt, I agree. Casual "users" are the most rigid of addicts. Their compartmentalizing, myriad rules and rationalizations of when and why they can use is part of the pathology. Most are damaged in some way or another. Drinkers and tobacco users do it too. Some food addicts fall in as well. It is all about making oneself "feel" better rather than figuring out why you feel lousy.

Extraneus

Female Participation in Labor Force Matches 24-Year Low

matt

apparently, the House Dems are now floating a vote for additional funds to "fix" Obamacare.

My schaden is a little freuder today.....

narciso

Well the problem is cultural in the 40s, say Robert Mitchum's poor choices, were rewarded or punished accordingly, since the 60s, they have championed as liberating,

Steve

Is there Hope? Major Development - Federal Judge Allows Lawsuit Over HC Law IRS Regulation To Proceed & Expedited

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/10/major-development-federal-judge-allows.html

narciso

Another manifestation of the problem:http:www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/23/federal-prosecutors-tie-dead-marathon-bombing-suspect-to-2011-triple-murder/

narciso

The Sequester was his idea,


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/23/what-to-cut-sequester-offers-lessons-in-latest-budget-talks/

daddy

BBC has an interesting little story on a Brit Classic Prof trying to recreate the music and scales of the Ancient Greeks.

This story has a short link to about a 20 second song sung to accompaniment on an 8 stringed instrument, that I find intriguing to hear: How did ancient Greek music sound?

Ignatz

Let's see;
Barry didn't know his DOJ was forcing legitimate gun dealers to help them run guns across the border to drug cartels even though he and his henchmen were giving speeches about gun dealers running illegal guns across the border to drug cartels.

He didn't know his IRS was targeting his political enemies for him, even though he virtually demanded they do so in very public speeches about their mysterious foreign support and who the nefarious donors to these un-American organizations might be.

He didn't know there was grave danger and eventual murders going on in Benghazi, even though everybody over there was screaming for help from DC and he was told about the situation before scooting off to Vegas to a fundraiser.

And now we find out he didn't know the Barrycare roll out would be a disaster, even though it was tested and failed before the roll out.

These are not small details that a competent executive wouldn't know and his words indicate he did. I'm sure the regulars here can think of many more things he didn't know, even though he should have and no doubt did, just as in the above examples and I hope they will list them.

As King Solomon would say "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter":
Either his staff of sycophants keeps him locked in a little room and never tells him anything, like some demented, idiot child-king from the middle ages, he has early onset Alzheimer's and knew things at one time and then forgot them or he is an inveterate, pathological liar.
Which of those alternatives justifies his remaining in office?

Porchlight

Kevin B at 5:25 makes a lot of sense.

When people say the War on Drugs has failed, I ask: how can you know? We have no idea what the country would look like absent it. Maybe what we have now is much, much better than what we would have otherwise. I have spent time around junkies. You would not wish to have a great explosion of these folks in the town where you live.

almost all of the supposed new Barrycare enrollees on fed and state exchanges are not new people buying private insurance but new people being enrolled in expanded Medicaid

Stands to reason. Those who would substantially benefit are the only people who would have the patience to get through the system.

Ignatz

--Those who would substantially benefit are the only people who would have the patience to get through the system.--

I don't believe they have to go through the fed exchange and in fact most are in states which have their own exchanges. They are automatically or semi automatically signed up by the system, but counted as enrollees alongside the few people who have actually applied for and purchased insurance.

Miss Marple

Good morning. Radio is full of the guy coming in to lead the "tech surge" to supposedly fix the failing web site.

First of all, I find the use of the word "surge" both juvenile and insulting.

Secondly, I fail to see what bringing in a few more people is going to do. From what I have read the entire thing needs a complete re-do. And re-doing it isn't going to change the costs of those premiums, which is the real problem.

centralcal

Trying to wake up with a cup of coffee, just saw this come across Twitter and it seems to fit with Iggy's comment above, though I haven't read the link yet...

Charlie Spiering ‏@charliespiering 1m

During Syria, Obama impatient, disengaged, scrolling through messages on his BlackBerry, slouching and chewing gum http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/world/middleeast/obamas-uncertain-path-amid-syria-bloodshed.html

narciso

Ridiculous, even Timothy McGee, couldn't solve this, meanwhile the Daily Caller reveals Sanger's deep ties to the WH specially Donilon, re Stuitxnet, although curiously they didn't give him the Rosen treatment,

narciso

General Cartwright, does not appear to be one of those in contact with Donilon,

Porchlight

They are automatically or semi automatically signed up by the system, but counted as enrollees alongside the few people who have actually applied for and purchased insurance.

Gotcha. Well, at any rate, they have the most motivation to jump on board, whether it be easy or difficult to do so.

narciso

Sanger was the conduit for the leaked Iraq battle plans, probably from Armitage or Wilkinson.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Was there ever a statement on what the war on drugs was supposed to accomplish? Hard to assign success or failure lacking that.

centralcal

Uh oh:

A White House national security official was fired last week after being caught as the mystery Tweeter who has been tormenting the foreign policy community with insulting comments and revealing internal Obama administration information for over two years.

[snip]

During his time tweeting under the @natsecwonk name, Joseph openly criticized the policies of his White House bosses and often insulted their intellect and appearance. At different times, he insulted or criticized several top White House and State Department officials, including former National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes, Secretary of State John Kerry, and many many others.

[snip]

“I'm a fan of Obama, but his continuing reliance and dependence upon a vacuous cipher like Valerie Jarrett concerns me,” he once tweeted.

“Was Huma Abedin wearing beer goggles the night she met Anthony Wiener? Almost as bad a pairing as Samantha Powers and Cass Sunstein ....,” he tweeted on another occasion, insulting a top Clinton aide, a then Congressman, and two White House senior officials in one tweet.

[snip]

Joseph's snark was not confined to his Obama administration colleagues. He also took aim at senior Republican figures and lowly GOP Hill staffers.

“So when will someone do us the favor of getting rid of Sarah Palin and the rest of her white trash family? What utter useless garbage .... ,” he tweeted last October.

[snip]

For many in the foreign policy community reacting Tuesday night, the revelation that Joseph was the mystery tweeter @natsecwonk was a shock because Joseph was well known among policy wonks and his wife, Carolyn Leddy, is a well-respected professional staffer on the Republican side of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Miss Marple

centralcal, I maintain he would still have his job if he hadn't mocked Valerie Jarrett.

Also, is Carolyn Leddy a Republican herself, or is she one of those "professional" diplo types who claim not to have affiliation, while they spy and carry tales to the dems?

Porchlight

Was there ever a statement on what the war on drugs was supposed to accomplish? Hard to assign success or failure lacking that.

I don't know. But good point - I should have worded it differently. We still have drugs, obviously. But that doesn't mean that the situation we have isn't better than the alternative. And if it is better, then it doesn't matter (to me anyway) whether it accomplished its stated goals.

To put it another way, let's say Operation Overlord had a stated goal and it was "to invade Normandy and win the European war in six months." If so, it would have been a failure by its own standards. But that doesn't mean it was actually a failure, or that it shouldn't have been attempted, or that the alternative would have been preferable.

Porchlight

his wife, Carolyn Leddy, is a well-respected professional staffer on the Republican side of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Notice they don't say she is a Republican, only that she works "on the Republican side."

Porchlight

IOW what Miss Marple said. :)

I sort of hope the wife loses her job or resigns. Can't hurt and it might help.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

I wasn't aiming my comment at you, Porch; in fact I agree with just about everything you've written on this topic.

narciso

A Claremont fellow, no not Pitzer, a critic of the Administration's Asian strategy, both now and in the last administration

Extraneus

She should be asked to comment on Mrs. Palin.

Ignatz

--To put it another way, let's say Operation Overlord had a stated goal and it was "to invade Normandy and win the European war in six months."--

Seems to me a closer example might possibly be Prohibition. It didn't have any clear goals either, other than its general eponymous mission, but the people of that time evidently felt it didn't secure them whatever they might have been, else we'd still have it.

narciso

He worked for Biden and Casey jr, so judgement is not one of his strong suits.

narciso

It wouldn't surprise me that she shared her husband's opinions, recall Mrs. Frum, Heather McDonald, Mrs. Sikorski, (Applebaum)
all had the vapors when she was chosen,

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Is there a definitive book on what Prohibition was really like? It's always had an unreal aspect to it and shows like Boardwalk Empire make it appear that it only increased corruption and the price of alcohol.

OldTimer

Another ACA lawsuit, and what about the judge..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2471978/Bombshell-Federal-judge-suddenly-green-lights-lawsuit-stop-Obamacare-tracks.html

jimmyk on iPhone

"And if it is better, then it doesn't matter (to me anyway) whether it accomplished its stated goals."

Ok, as long as "better" factors in not just the drug situation, but what all those resources could have been used for--fighting other crime, for example. It's it to be a large enough improvement to justify the huge cost.

Extraneus

AP is merciless when it comes reporters who make mistakes that don't favor Democrats.

AP reporter’s mistake: Did the punishment fit the crime?

Veteran AP reporter Bob Lewis was fired this week after mistakenly reporting that Virginia gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe (D) had lied to a federal investigator probing a Rhode Island estate planner involved in a fraudulent death-benefits scheme.

In fact, McAuliffe had done no such thing. Lewis had mistakenly assumed that the initials “T.M.” on court documents referred to McAuliffe when they actually referred to another individual. McAuliffe’s campaign said he was a passive investor with the estate planner and has not been accused of wrongdoing.

Faced with the mistake, AP moved swiftly to rectify the error. It sent out a “mandatory kill” notification 98 minutes after distributing Lewis’s item on its state wire Oct. 9. It then sent out a longer story under Lewis’s byline that recounted events accurately.

Then it turned inward.

After several days of deliberations, it fired Lewis on Monday, followed by his immediate editor in Richmond, Dena Potter. On Tuesday, regional editor Norm Gomlak confirmed that he, too, had been fired over the story. Gomlak, who is based in Atlanta, was the primary editor of Lewis’s story because Potter was tied up with an unrelated story Oct. 9.

Lewis, 57, makes no excuses about the mess-up. But, he said Tuesday, he feels “stunned and hurt” by his firing after 28 years of “unblemished” service to the AP. “I still can’t really wrap my head around it,” he said by phone from Richmond. “The only blessing out of this has been the expressions of support” from friends, colleagues and many of the officials he has covered over his career, including Virginia’s two senators and former governors, Timothy M. Kaine (D) and Mark R. Warner (D), and the state’s current governor, Robert F. McDonnell (R).

He declined further comment pending a grievance complaint by the News Media Guild, which represents AP employees.

Extraneus

It wouldn't surprise me that she shared her husband's opinions

The alternative would require a husband to say this about someone his wife respected:

“So when will someone do us the favor of getting rid of Sarah Palin and the rest of her white trash family? What utter useless garbage"
centralcal

Okay, this was fun...

House Republicans have put together a video mocking the online chat function on healthcare.gov using an actual transcript of a website user.

Video: Actual Chat Transcript

Porchlight

I don't think Prohibition is a good analogy. Drinking was legal prior to Prohibition, whereas drug use has never had the widespread use, social normality and legality in this society that alcohol has had. So the temperance progressives were trying to eliminate something that was socially normal, approved, and deeply entrenched in our culture for centuries. The War on Drugs seeks to maintain illegality and crack down on supply of substances that most people believe are bad news.

What if the best analogy to the War On Drugs is the anti-crime initiatives in NYC begun by Giuliani (which are not without their critics)? There is still crime in NYC, but does that mean that Giuliani's initiatives were a failure? What would NYC look like today without them?

Anyway, since I am not a liberal, I choose not to indulge in fantasies about government regulation and taxation solving social problems, nor do I advocate throwing discretion to the wind and say hey, let's legalize it, what can go wrong?

See: abortion.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Soooo iow don't look for AP to *unexpectedly* get curious about Global Crossing.

Porchlight

Ok, as long as "better" factors in not just the drug situation, but what all those resources could have been used for--fighting other crime, for example.

Since the drug using/selling population and the "other" criminal population overlap considerably, and since many a criminal is popped for drug offenses prior to law enforcement discovering he/she is wanted on non-drug offenses, it seems to me that many of the resources have indeed gone to fighting "other" crime.

But you make a good point.

Porchlight

I would also add that druggies commit a hell of a lot of crime simply because they are on drugs and need their fix and can't support themselves any other way. So by minimizing drug use you are by definition fighting crime. Again see NYC analogy.

Nobody wants to live in a neighborhood full of junkies, especially families with small children. But in a vacuum, lots of people will say the idea doesn't bother them, because it's easy to advocate when it's not very likely to happen, and because liberty. I just wish people would do some hard thinking about what a United States with legal narcotics would really look like.

I also realize not everyone who advocates pot legalization also advocates narcotics legalization. But if we don't legalize it all, the war on drugs will have to continue.

Porchlight

Okay I've used up more than my share of TM's bandwidth on this subject - gotta get to work!

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Again, Porch, I am nearly in 100% accord with you on this, particularly the cultural history of alc in this country versus a negative stigma on drugs. That the Constitution was amended, an extremely arduous process, over that just adds the incredulity with which I regard the whole episode.

narciso

It is best described that Prohibition, allowed persons who were already in illegal activities to branch out, like Big Jim Colossimo, often with the collaboration of the likes of Big Bill Thompson,

James D.

Porch, you have a good point. We DON'T know what things would look like without the War on Drugs.

But we do know that the WoD has had some very severe and very negative consequences on society as a whole. Those consequences impact all of us.

I don't want legalization. And I don't want Needle Park on a national scale (and I think you're right - that's where legalization probably eventually ends up).

But I don't want what we have now, either - militarized police, prosecutors with unchecked power, ever-more-intrusive laws that impact the lives of law-abiding citizens and strip away basic freedoms,etc.

I don't know what the answer is. But it is fair to ask if Needle Park and the War on Drugs as currently constituted are the only two possible options we have.

Of course, getting to another option would require three things:

Cooperation from a soulless and irresponsible MSM and entertainment culture that glorifies drug use and lionizes criminals. This seems unlikely to happen.

A better-educated and informed citizenry. Sadly, as rse has been tirelessly pointing out, our "leaders" have been working to deliberately undermine this for the last two generations, so this also is unlikely.

And political leaders (both elected and appointed) who understood and honored the COnstitution; and had some measurable level of personal ethics. Which we're not likely to see anytime this side of Judgment Day.

NK(tryin'2.0)

She's such a sweet naive girl, and she so politely explains that the Exchanges are a death spiral, which will destroy individual policies nationally like NYS did, and raise rates for group policies for Exchange insurers. In short, a disaster (hopefully it becomes an election disaster for Dems) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-21/is-obamacare-in-a-death-spiral-.html

Extraneus

The 7 Republican Senators Most Vulnerable to a Primary

1. Michael B. Enzi, Wyoming
2. Mitch McConnell, Kentucky
3. Thad Cochran, Mississippi
4. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina
5. Pat Roberts, Kansas
6. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee
7. John Cornyn, Texas

Beasts of England

Porchlight@8:09 - I've often wondered how many people would suddenly partake in drugs if legalized. I'd guess a very small percent of the population might 'experiment', but I don't see a huge pent up demand from wannabe junkies. No empirical data, though.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Mark Levin made some good points last night on the Virginia governor race. Aren't women getting tired of being defined as fertility machines by the donks? The JEF has been a four plus year disaster on women participation in the workplace but the entire conversation seems to be on birth control and abortion. This should not be difficult to point out, either in ads or speeches.

narciso

She used my 'burn the boats' analogy, yes Virginia, I mean, Megan, it will.

Now one argument is all vice crime, is driven by state action, and there is a point there, however, the issue is much more nuanced as James D, puts it, they talk about the demand, but that is culturally driven as well as economics.

jimmyk

I would also add that druggies commit a hell of a lot of crime simply because they are on drugs and need their fix and can't support themselves any other way.

No doubt, but the illegality of the drugs results in a lot of extra crime (besides the crimes of buying/selling/using drugs) too, both among the druggies (because the drugs are more expensive, not available by legal means), and the suppliers, who have to enforce agreements and territories by violence. Look at Mexico.

I'm with James D. I'm not advocating blanket legalization, but the WoD has been very costly.

Ignatz

--I don't think Prohibition is a good analogy.--

Pretty sure it's a better one than D-Day. :)

--Is there a definitive book on what Prohibition was really like?--

I don't know if there's a definitive anything on it. Read what druggies and libertarians say and it was a holocaust. Read what the drug prohibitionists say and all the bad stuff is merely myth and urban legend.

--Drinking was legal prior to Prohibition, whereas drug use has never had the widespread use, social normality and legality in this society that alcohol has had. So the temperance progressives were trying to eliminate something that was socially normal, approved, and deeply entrenched in our culture for centuries.--

I've never understood how this is an argument in favor of keeping drugs illegal. It would be a great argument in favor of drug prohibition if drugs were already legal but were not an accepted social norm like social drinking and we were thinking about outlawing them.
But as you point out drugs are already illegal and quite obviously we suffer from very serious and widespread drug use. We know prohibition of drugs as we presently practice it is very very bad. Is it possible or even probable there would be more drug use if they were legal? Sure but as jimmy points out that is hardly and perhaps not even mainly the primary consideration. I would gladly trade a few more junkies for a prison actually full of murderers, arsonists and rapists and which did not contain people whose only crime was frying their own brains.

Perhaps the best analogy is cigarettes. It might very well be better than what we presently have to legalize drugs and use a portion of the resources we presently spend on law enforcement to wage a war on the social acceptability of drug use. Cigarettes are a clear example that legal status does not necessarily determine rate of use.
As always societal controls are stronger than any law.
How about we try harnessing that strength for voluntary prohibition and concentrate legal assets on crimes which actually harm others including those associated with drug use?


windansea

hey look, they fixed the website!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57608843/healthcare.gov-feature-often-lists-wrong-prices-for-coverage/

the fix is always in with these folks

Extraneus

I saw a long show on prohibition on the History Channel a couple of years ago. I don't remember who produced or narrated it, but it was someone famous. It seemed pretty balanced, and was fascinating. A lot of political history dates back to that argument, including the demonization of Al Smith, which led to the election of Calvin Coolidge.

Extraneus

Paul Ryan blasts Sebelius' silence on ObamaCare implementation inquiries

“Your continued silence on these important inquiries after refusing to testify raises serious questions about the administration’s commitment to transparency and accountability,” Ryan said.
NK(tryin'2.0)

Ext-- I believe that was a Burns documentary. The factual vignettes about personalities and specific events were fascinating. The political history seemed accurate enough, although with Burns nothing can be taken for granted. The basic politics were clear enough agrarian/Protestant Great Revivalists PLUS "progessive reformers' were the prohibitionists against Urban and Catholic mercantile interests. It was not 2 party politics, there was a cultural divide. The documentary was very well done, but I can't vouch for the accuracy of its details.

21_cathy_f_in_tripep@d_prison_98

Is anybody else getting the nail fungus ad? Blech! Enough to make me want to invest the time and energy to figure out how to install AdBlocker!

windansea

As President Obama promises to fix HealthCare.gov, his administration is touting what it calls "improvements" in design, specifically a feature that allows you to "See Plans Now." White House press secretary Jay Carney has said, "Americans across the country can type in their zip code and shop and browse."

Industry analysts, such as Jonathan Wu, point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: "49 or under" and "50 or older."

Wu said it's "incredibly misleading for people that are trying to get a sense of what they're paying."

Prices for everyone in the 49-or-under group are based on what a 27-year-old would pay. In the 50-or-older group, prices are based on what a 50-year-old would pay.

CBS News ran the numbers for a 48-year-old in Charlotte, N.C., ineligible for subsidies. According to HealthCare.gov, she would pay $231 a month, but the actual plan on Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina's website costs $360, more than 50 percent higher. The difference: Blue Cross and Blue Shield requests your birthday before providing more accurate estimates.

The numbers for older Americans are even more striking. A 62-year-old in Charlotte looking for the same basic plan would get a price estimate on the government website of $394. The actual price is $634.

Thomas Collins
"'serious questions about the administration’s commitment to transparency and accountability,' Ryan said."

I must disagree with Congresscritter Ryan on this. I don't think there is any serious question about the Obama Administration's commitment to transparency and accountability. There is clearly no such commitment. The Nixon Administration was positively gushing with openness compared with this one.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

I refuse to indulge in Ken Burns' sociological anecdotes posing as history.

Rupert's Gazette administered a brutal and deserved slattering to "The Apostle Kasich" today.

DrJ

cathyf,

Enough to make me want to invest the time and energy to figure out how to install AdBlocker!

This is trivial to do, and well worth it. No more ads and pop-behinds. It makes the Internet a much more peaceful place.

pagar22

"Notice they don't say she is a Republican,"

That is one of my main complaints against aides /staff members. IMO, most of them are not strong advocates of the Republicans positions that we think our elected officials are supposed to represent. IMO, the staff controls a whole lot of what the elected official presents as his/her views once the election is over.

Old Lurker

Just throw more money at it, Chapter 2.

So Durbin and donks think the exchanges just need more money after $634,000,000.

Today WaPo has a page one story about the failures of the "Non Profit Co-op Plans" that were set up in a number of states to be options listed on the exchanges. Those were financed with billions in "loans" from taxpayers. Now some have failed already and others are near death. WaPo 'splains that in the passing of ACA, even the WH reduced the amount of money that would finance those loans ($reduced from $10B to $6B) and had that not happened, then the failed Co-ops would still be operating.

Geezh.

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windansea,

I note the CBS/MFM article does not mention the fact ehealth can provide accurate info without help from Dear Uncle Fed. I would be unsurprised to learn the CBS propagandist used ehealth to determine the inaccuracy of Dear Uncle Fed's misinformation.

The Kaiser Foundation site provided better general information months ago without having to spend time in Dear Uncle Fed's Rape Room information gathering process.

NK(tryin'2.0)

OL-- On saturday I'll be driving down to Bethesda to meet with my 3 Law School cronies (including the former IRS Commish, who gave unfortunately inaccurate testimony about the Lerner Crew.) The nicest guy in the group is also the most political, he's from and old line Dem family from St Mary's Parish Md., so when he gives me a little tweak, I'll just smile and remind him how much the rest of the nation now hates DC--except, you of course.

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OL,

The Plantation Co-ops have already served their purpose in redistributing income, surely you don't think POSAG My People should waste his time investigating something that is already complete?

Getting the government we deserve is a rather uncomfortable situation for the productive.

windansea

Rick, check this out

http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/want-to-access-all-the-pricing-and-navigator-info-from-data-healthcare-gov-signing-up-with-a-bogus-email-is-quick-and-easy/

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windansea,

That's the data set for 27 and 50 yos referenced in the CBS piece. It's interesting (to me anyway) to scroll it for a feel regarding the degree of involvement by the fascists at Blue GovIns. They certainly have a large marker on the table, providing an excellent reason to never, ever spend a dime on a BC/BS product for the rest of your life.

Porchlight

Cigarettes are a clear example that legal status does not necessarily determine rate of use.
As always societal controls are stronger than any law.

Agree but we don't know that societal controls will remain as strong. Look at all the places where pot is legal - you see that public cigarette smoking is now verboten (where it was once common and unremarkable) yet public pot smoking is all but encouraged.

Sorry, but as the mom of small children who will be growing up in what looks to be a fairly sh*tty USA as it is, I'm not really feeling like taking on the risk of this little social experiment. If that's an emotional argument, so be it.

NK(tryin'2.0)

The Exchanges, The Coops, The Death Spiral? Yes they will all happen, the commenters here were always right about that. Then what? The Obamaniacs will push for Singlepayer-- I believe that will be a big political loser for them. Then what? the healthcare finance business is in shambles, the States that expanded MediCaid will get stuck with paying for it, and subsidies will be paid out. So tens of Billions per year are redistributed to parasites, and the Obamaniacs got paid up front by Big Pharma and Big Insurance cronies. They will have successfully busted the joint out. The Obamaniacs are Nihilists, if they don't get their way, they want to destroy everything else. They'll crawl back int the political woodwork, and wait for the next crisis to exploit.

Miss Marple

Well, look here. There is a sold-out USA investment summit hosted by Penny Pritzer, and being touted by Valerie Jarrett on Twitter:

http://www.selectusasummit.com/

I assume this is a way to get more cash into select pockets and make everyone think all is going swimmingly.

Ignatz

I don't consider it a little social experiment, but rather a political philosophy:
The role of government is to protect citizens from identifiable, involuntary and usually direct external harm, both domestic and foreign.

If you harm others you will be punished swiftly and severely.
If you harm yourself you will be left alone by government to suffer the consequences; any of your fellow citizens are free to voluntarily assist you, or not, as they so choose.

narciso

Yes, I don't get that one, at all, the Dem candidate in 1924, was as whiteshoe as one was likely to get, fmr Ambassador John Davis, who a generation later, would be on the losing side of Brown, the economic boom of the 20s, had more to do with this.

One question, Rick, are their penalties from not gathering your policies from Zampolit central.

Miss Marple

Here's the list of speakers for that International Investment in the US Summit:

http://www.selectusasummit.com/program-speakers-0

I don't quite see how the head of BMW North America and the director of the Canadian Pension Fund fit into this, but most of you are far more educated on these things than I am.

My basic attitude is that if Valerie Jarrett is promoting it, there's something crooked involved.

pagar22

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/insurance-companies-forced-to-phone-obamacare-applicants-to-correct-o-care-website-glitches/

Nothing about Obamacare seems to work correctly.

narciso

So the administration was clever to pin the Maple on this brouhaha, through young master Klein, and leave the technomages unscathed, at the outset, like Lerner misrepresented the IG report, from the getgo.

Ignatz

I'm pretty sure I understood that one of narc's at 11:35...which is scaring me little.

Extraneus

According to the documentary, Al Smith had it in the bag, but his anti-prohibition comments led to him and his New Yawk accent being demonized by prohibitionist nuns in the heartland, or something like that, splitting the Dems and allowing the wounded Davis to be nominated and trounced by Coolidge.

Wiki says there were 100 ballots before Davis was chosen after the two leading candidates - Al Smith and California Senator William Gibbs McAdoo - agreed to withdraw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith

MarkO

Be very afraid.

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