What Will Dick Cheney Say?

Obama really didn't know about the NSA surveillance of foreign leaders until the review he did or didn't order last summer?

George Bush has been quite curcumspect but Dick Cheney has been outspoken in his disdain for Obama. Presumably, he will eventually be asked whether he and Bush were aware of surveillance of foreign leaders.

I can't picture him pleading ignorance.

Comments

[whodat]

A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.

-RR

[AliceH]

I love how the "but some past Republican did something sort of like that once" is such a popular "defense" of the Left. That argument is only tangentially relevant if the Right has changed position on the issue in question. Failing that (as it so often does), it's meaningless - mere misdirection.

[Danube on iPad]

"A few months ago..."

Notice he didn't say "five years ago," Dana.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

"You're damn right I ordered that Code Red!"

proudly so.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

What obsession with Reagan?

[tollhouse]

Yeah, Cheney wouldn't allow himself to be exposed in such a stupid way that Obama did.

[Thomas Collins]

I hope this is a disinformation campaign by Prez 404 and his people. I would expect a POTUS to be aware of an initiative to spy on allies. It is believable that Prez 404 didn't know the details of the times that Frau Angie and others were on the phone or texting.

The truly disturbing thing about this is if ValJar decided that Prez 404 needed to be kept out of the loop on this.

I'm guessing and hoping that this is the plausible deniability card being played for reasons of reason of state.

[daddy]

Maybe we bugged Merkel at "The Behest of Dick Cheney."

As I recall "Dick Cheney's Behesting" was the word of the day back when he and "W" were in the White House.

[Thomas Collins]

I actually like the fact that whodat brought up Gipper in the context of a Prez 404 discussion. After all, they are both "bring down" Presidents. Gipper brought down the Sovs, and 404 is in the process of bringing down our health care system.

[Ignatz]

--"A few months ago..."

Notice he didn't say "five years ago," Dana.

Posted by: Danube on iPad | October 28, 2013 at 02:53 PM --

Tut, tut; I have scrupulously avoided responding to WeeDavey per our agreement.

I'd say I have probable cause for a breach of contract cause of action. Hmm, now then, what were my actual damages?

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

TC, it might be easier to compile a list of what Preznit 404 is allowed to have knowledge of; based on his pressers I can't think of anything not related to ESPN.

[Clarice]

Plus dana's perpetuating another lie.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

One other difference between RR and Obummer-

RR's Intel Op is exposed, RR engages in Mea Culpa;

Obummer's snooping is exposed, Obummer engages in THEYA Culpa.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

RR was called an "amiable dunce" by Clark Clifford

404 was called " " by Clark Clifford

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

Two things:

'Extortion': Holder Abuses Law to Enrich Former Employer, Target Republicans

CGI Federal executive spent ‘Christmas with the Obamas’

[Threadkiller]

Sounds conspiratorial.

[matt]

Remember, this is the same "What? Me Worry?" president who doesn't know about any of the scandals rocking his administration or just about anything at all, come to think about it.

"Mr. President! What didn't you know and when didn't you know it?"

[Threadkiller]

"TK Jane, you are ruining a wonderful board. Truly. I can't forgive you for spattering this place up and interfering with all discussions to continue with your pointless obsession."

(Standard response to conspiracy links)

[daddy]

TC postes this question on the previous thread which I just caught up to.

Here's a query for those who know something about Virginia demographics and voting patterns (which I don't): Is Cuccinelli doing worse than usual in reddish areas, or are his problems with McAuliffe due to increasing population growth in Northern Virginia? Or perhaps a combination of both?

I don't know about Virginia Demographics, but my guess is that it is the same problem we have up here in Alaska. Most of the new jobs we have had up here over the last 4-5 years that I am aware of, are jobs for Government workers, mostly Federal. The private marketplace it expanding hardly at all, but every time I open up the paper, some new Government Environmental Studies Bureau or Walrus Board or Climate Think Tank or Polar Bear Research Group is opened, and invariably the people who fill those positions are not people who want to utilize our assets but are committed Leftists who want to limit our ability to use our assets,l and they vote accordingly---and they want to make walk our dogs on leashes, because that's how they did it back in wherever the hell they come from.

That's what we get up her as new voters, overwhelming the aging rugged individualists of old that used to make this state work. My guess is that in Virginia the new arriving folks are arriving because of Federal jobs, and people who show up for those jobs are not Tea Party Americans but are instead folks beholden to Govt getting bigger and bigger.

BTW, I'm the Anchorage Airport lounge doing Margarita's. I'm in coach heading south.
The obscene First Class service doesn't start till tomorrow.

[Threadkiller]

Sorry for all the trouble I have caused, TM.

Good luck.

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

TK,

I'm not in the mood. Often I wonder if you are 12.

[windansea]

NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system
After nine years and with billions already spent, doomed computer system is abandoned

"The department has been unable to demonstrate what benefits have been delivered from the £2.7bn spent on the project so far,"

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-pulls-the-plug-on-its-11bn-it-system-2330906.html

the progs love to point to this system as a success

More On Topic, Cheney would probably say Obama and clown posse are the worst admin in US history

[windansea]

Alaskan Company Suspends Obamacare Enrollments, Cites Faulty Subsidy Calculator

Enroll Alaska, an organization that was specifically created to aid Alaskans in enrolling for Obamacare, has thrown in the towel, at least for the time being.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

[windansea]

Here’s how Obamacare makes life hell for college profs

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/27/heres-how-obamacare-makes-life-hell-for-college-profs/#ixzz2j33Jq1He

since probably 80% of them voted for Preznit Foodstamps, I say tough luck suckers

[Sue]

Jane, 12 year olds would have already grown bored and moved on.

[daddy]

Let us remember just how left wing even BillyJeff was prior to the 1994 cataclysm. It was only his placing self above principle that anyone can dare to believe him a centrist.

Iggy comment from previous thread but I buy it completely.

[maryrose]

windansea:
Another portion of O-care -the subsidy calculator-bites the dust. This is the ultimate fail. No wonder Barry wanted this launch to occur 10 months after the 2012 election.

[maryrose]

daddy:
What do you think of Barry's Alaskan version of a subsidy calculator? Can't wait to here your report of your first class trip tomorrow.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

Daddy-- watched a cable Doc saturday evening-- is USA Flight navigation still primarily 'zig zag' radar stations based on the the original FAA beacons, and GPS is only a drawing board replacement (Test program in Alaska)?

[narciso]

We know now, he had already signed the signed the CRA revisions, which along with Reno's nudging had set the fuse for the economic crisis, 15 years later, the only real cuts were in defense and intelligence, http://twitchy.com/2013/10/28/didnt-know-he-didnt-know-what-was-going-on-blissfully-unaware-president-sparks-mockery/ly

[narciso]

The journal suggests that there was no one who was coordinating the integration of the health care site, with the rest of the program

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

Narciso-- I thought the Obamaniacs confessed to that last week at the House hearing =, when the CGI execs (the ones who work for a living, not that scammer Mooschelle crony) pushed back and said there was no SI expert, and HHS admitted they were doing that--or not-- on their own.

[jimmyk]

It was only his placing self above principle that anyone can dare to believe him a centrist.

I agree with Iggy's comment re Clinton, but how to explain the JEF's persistence in the face of events, he who places self above everything? That he is delusional? Or that his devotion to himself is so overwhelming that to admit a mistake is impossible?

[maryrose]

jimmyk:
Barry will never admit a mistake or even acknowledge that he made one. He is the consummate narcissist and doesn't realize his own limitations. He knew about all these scandals but the media and the WH allow him plausible deniability. We are forced into the position of proving that he knew. All his tracks have been covered as they would be in the perfect crime.

[narciso]

No, he's a conman, ala Billy Valentine, which prompted the whole 'Duke and Duke' meme,

[Cecil Turner]

Well, he really was a heartless bastard back then . . . maybe he's mellowed since the change. But I'm pretty sure I heard something like:

"Don't hack my pacemaker, Bro!"

[Les Nessman]

They didn't know? Really, our Security apparatus is just a loaded, loose cannon on the deck.

How would you expect any command and control for the loosie?

Isn't that the very idea behind the concept?

They hit something intentionally on occasion, so it's all good.

[Les Nessman]

""Don't hack my pacemaker, Bro!""

I wonder if that's how he cut in line for the sump pump.

[narciso]

So CNN is looking into branching out into intentional comedy, as opposed to their usual fare.

[Danube on iPad]

"per our agreement."

Was not responding to Dana part of it? I'd forgotten - sorry.

No damages, but injunctive relief is available.

[narciso]

Pravda facts, following it's own Minitrue path.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/27/fact-checking-politifact/

[windansea]

Obamacare Faces A 'Death Spiral' -- But It Turns On The Declining Participation Of Health Plans, Not Just Rising Premiums

must read, no wonder the biggies like United and Aetna declined to participate

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2013/10/28/obamacare-faces-a-death-spiral-but-it-turns-on-the-declining-participation-of-health-plans-and-not-just-their-rising-premiums/

[windansea]

another lib mugged by reality

Could the president please explain why I and others are losing our health ins. plans? Wasn't supposed to happen!—

patti davis (@patti_davis) October 25, 2013

[henry]

Explosion & gunfire near US Embassy in Yemen. Via Drudge. No details they.

[jimmyk]

David Burge links to the original Obamalies on health care. Comedy gold. Or maybe black comedy, if that's not racist.

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 47m

Every damn word was a lie, including "a" and "the" http://web.archive.org/web/20081221095737/http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf">http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf">http://web.archive.org/web/20081221095737/http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf …

[windansea]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXoRYbgCAAA3anR.jpg

Father knows best :) should have payed more attention Patti

[jimmyk]

oops, let me try that link again:

http://web.archive.org/web/20081221095737/http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf">http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf">http://web.archive.org/web/20081221095737/http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf

[jimmyk]

Sorry, it looks ok on preview. I refer you to https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog

[windansea]

Iowahawk calls this the feel good story of the century

“I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”

http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/23352031-452/obamacare-jacks-up-her-insurance.html

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

Explosion & gunfire near US Embassy in Yemen. Via Drudge. No details they.

What difference does it make?

[henry]

Blue Hell canary Detroit bankruptcy means pensions cut to 16 cents per dollar.

[jimmyk]

From that Obama 2008 campaign pack of lies that Iowahawk links to:

BACKGROUND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HEALTH CARE PLAN

Q. I like my current insurance coverage. Will I have to change plans?

A. No, you will not have to change plans.
For those who have insurance now, nothing
will change under the Obama plan – except that you will pay less. Obama’s plan will
save a typical family up to $2,500 on premiums by bringing the health care system into the 21st century: cutting waste, improving technology, expanding coverage to all Americans, and paying for some high-cost cases.

Q. How will I be able to sign up?

A. Signing up for the plan will be easy. You will be able do it on your tax return, on the Internet, on forms you can get from your employer, in churches, libraries, motor vehicle bureaus and all sorts of places.

[Les Nessman]

Public employees should consider themselves lucky to get any pension at all.

Although i don't know why conservatives would want to decorate those warts with their tinsel.

[Miss Marple]

I always assumed we tried to bug all foreign leaders, as I assume they try to bug us.

The problem we are faced with that it became public. Obama could have pulled the "rogue elements acting without my approval" card, which would have given Merkel a face-saving way to not be publicly upset.

However, since they first denied it, then said Obama didn't know, they put Merkel in the awkward position of having to make a fuss, as well as somehow implying that we have a president who doesn't know what in the hell is going on.

This is bad, as it shows foreign leaders that he is too damned stupid to use diplomatic terms (which we already knew) and that he is incompetent (which we also knew). Our enemies will take note of this.

In addition, this ham-handed series of statements has given further credibility to Snowden, who right now can accuse Obama of sacrificing Bo's puppies in a Santeria ritual in the White House basement, and people will probably believe it.

[MarkO]

Why is anyone crediting Obama's clear lie that he knew nothing about the spying?

Either he is a liar (which he is) or he is the most incompetent head of any government ever.

[Account Deleted]

"Pensions cut to 16 cents on the dollar"

Nope. That's a misinterpretation of crap reporting by Reuters. The 16 cents refers to the unfunded portion of pension liabilities, the funded portion is out of reach in bankruptcy. The unfunded portion is lumped in with unsecured debt - all those vendors who are going to get screwed right into the ground in Detroit au Prince.

The really nasty aspect is Kwame getting 28 years. He's the fall guy but there's a cast of thousands who deserve the cell next to him.

[Clarice]

Janet, any word on Obamacare in Virginia. I should think if the experience there is like the experience elsewhere that should hurt McGoniff.

[Account Deleted]

BTW - the crap reporting by Reuters is intentional. They're trying to elicit handwringing and tears for the poor pensioners having to take a haircut for the misfeasance, malfeasance and fraud committed in Detroit - BY THE POLS TO WHOM THEY SLAVISHLY GAVE THEIR VOTES IN EXCHANGE FOR EXORBITANT PENSIONS.

I can't gin up anything more than a chuckle over their plight.

[rich@gmu]

That he is delusional? Or that his devotion to himself is so overwhelming that to admit a mistake is impossible?

Posted by: jimmyk

Isn't this the same guy who said something to the affect that the definition of sin is not being in accord with his values?

Should have been locked in a padded cell then-and-there.

[Porchlight]

Me neither, Rick. Talk about getting the government you deserve.

[henry]

Ah, that makes sense Rick. Thanks!

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

RickB-- what % of the Detroit Pensions are funded? a lot less than 50% I bet, then there is the matter of the ROI of the 'funded' pensions, are they realyl gonna earn 8% ROI?, noooo, and when they don't? zero Detroit Dollars will be added. These 23,000 pensioners are doomed, and Kwame's in no position to help them. Obummer? right let him bring up bailing out Detroit's pensions, that leads to a wonderful discussion of the solvency of Soc Sec and Medicare, and the expansion of medicaid for parasites. Just the discussion Obummer wants to have right now.

[Extraneus]

Either he is a liar (which he is) or he is the most incompetent head of any government ever.

“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. My view is that health-care reform should be guided by a simple principle: Fix what’s broken and build on what works.”

Liar.

[Miss Anne Thrope.]

So he's not even a competent liar?

[MarkO]

Actually, the only real skill Obama has is lying. I don't believe anything he has ever said.

[lyle]

BY THE POLS TO WHOM THEY SLAVISHLY GAVE THEIR VOTES IN EXCHANGE FOR EXORBITANT PENSIONS.

And in those fat return years, the fund managers gave pensioners a "13th month bonus." But don't worry, the fund managers "added" more to the funds in lean return years, right? And when returns kept falling, the managers raced into illiquid Private Equity because they never have down years or posivite correlation to traditional--liquid--asset classes, right?

[lyle]

*positive*

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

Detroit's pensions were in better shape than I thought-- accordiing to Moody's 69% funded (see link below). The City is $3B short of meeting pension liabilities. So end of the day, looks like pensioners will get almost 75% of what was promised them. They are doing a heck of alot better than bondholders. The City will be locked out of credit markets, for a very long time. They'll ony be able to get what the State guarantees. http://www.statebudgetsolutions.org/publications/detail/the-real-size-of-detroits-pension-funding-gap

[Account Deleted]

"what % of the Detroit Pensions are funded?"

The Detroit General Worker Fund is at 77%. Police and Fire are at 100%. Orr acknowledges that cuts to Police and Fire pensions aren't necessary. He wants to go to 401Ks going forward though.

Health insurance for retirees is a completely different matter. They're going to be dumped.

[Janet]

Clarice, This is all I've heard -

"CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans that currently cover 76,000 individuals in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., due to changes made by President Obama's health care law, the company told the Washington Examiner today."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/carefirst-says-76000-customers-will-lose-current-coverage-due-to-obamacare/article/2537782

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

Police/Fire go to 401K-- OMG, those city employees have to live on the same thing the rest of us do. The Humanity!

Pensioners go to Exchanges for healthcare-- probably don't even get subsidies. Heh heh.

[jimmyk]

NK, that link is from back in June, not sure how accurate it is.

The unfunded portion is lumped in with unsecured debt

And who gets paid first? Or is it basically split between them?

[narciso]

'the question is moot', there will be a document that will likely surface in this week or next, since nothing about surveillance protocols is inaccessible,

[Extraneus]

Ron Fornier:

Incoming from Democrats:

"Dem Party is F****d." That was the subject line of an email sent to me Sunday by a senior Democratic consultant with strong ties to the White House and Capitol Hill. The body of the email contained a link to this Los Angeles Times story about Obamacare "sticker shock:"

[jimmyk]

Explosion & gunfire near US Embassy in Yemen.

Did someone make a crappy youtube video again?

[Extraneus]

In his story, reporter Chad Terhune also quoted a letter sent to a California insurance company executive. "I was all for Obamacare," wrote a young woman complaining about a 50 percent rate hike related to the health care law, "until I found out I was paying for it."

Also of interest to the Democratic consultant: A Josh Barro column on Obama's promise that "if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan." It was never a reasonable pledge, Barro argues, and it's being proven false. He called this "a good thing" because "a lot of existing health plans were bad." Reforming the nation's health care system "was necessarily going to have to change a lot of people's health plans," Barro wrote.

The Democratic consultant said none of this is news to him, but he wonders why Obama wasn't honest with Americans. He predicted surprise and outrage over higher costs and lesser coverage. "We will own this problem forever," the Democrat wrote.

[Jim Eagle]

hey dad how are you LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLO

Lv,

Frederick

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

JimmyK-- moody's estimated in June 69%, RickB's claims 77% funded (prio to Orr City CLAIMED 91% funded). So as RickB explainedhe pensioners will get the majority (I figure75+%) of promised pensions. The unsecured debts split? On friday, the City's witness testified that pensioners and Bondholders will get the same % split. So the City is as generous to pensioners as possible-- but sticking it to the Bondholders that way will have consequences for future borrowing attempts.

[Jim Eagle]

Sorry about that but left my computer for a minute and this is what I get:)

[Account Deleted]

"And who gets paid first?"

Once their claim is verified, every unsecured debtor is in a very democratic position where no one is actually more equal. It ain't a matter of "first", it's a matter of "how much are we divvyin' up?".

[Account Deleted]

"And who gets paid first?"

Once their claim is verified, every unsecured debtor is in a very democratic position where no one is actually more equal. It ain't a matter of "first", it's a matter of "how much are we divvyin' up?".

[Miss Marple]

Extraneus,

Many of the dim bulb girls where I get my hair done thought as little as late summer that they were getting FREE health care.

Obama left that impression as did many of his surrogates, in the clever ways they phrased things.

A fair portion of the electorate doesn't understand basic arithmetic, let alone insurance and the math used to establish risk and rates. Plus they thought that Obama was a truth-teller, a messiah.

The outrage is even more pronounced than from those of us who knew what to expect.

I intend to hang this debacle around the dem necks like a flock of albatrosses.

[Extraneus]

Question for Jay Carney: Didn’t Obama lie when he told people, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”? Update: Obama knew for at least three years

[narciso]

You know that thing he said he didn't know about, well he's not going to do it anymore;

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304200804579164083658333034?mod=e2tw

[Extraneus]

Federal judge rules part of Texas' new abortion law is unconstitutional

A federal judge on Monday blocked part of a recently signed Texas law that requires abortion doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals.

District Judge Lee Yeakel wrote Monday that the provision violates the rights of abortion doctors to do what they think is best for their patients and would unreasonably restrict a woman's access to abortion clinics.

Can we start calling them "doctors" now?

[James D.]

In addition, this ham-handed series of statements has given further credibility to Snowden, who right now can accuse Obama of sacrificing Bo's puppies in a Santeria ritual in the White House basement, and people will probably believe it.

I can pretty much picture Zero and his pals doing exactly that, actually.

The only reason I could imagine for disbelieving it might be that Zero would be too lazy to actually conduct the ritual himself, or if it interfered with catching the 11 PM edition of Sportscenter.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

The Debt Bomb-- link below to California-- $300+BILLION in unfunded pension Obligations, and 12,000+ retirees earning $100,000+ annual pensions PLUS Healthcare for life. California is doomed; Illinois 44% funded-- Illinois is doomed. The California and Ilinois defaults will be spectacular in their scale.

[Miss Anne Thrope.]

""CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield is being forced to cancel plans"

Probably indemnity plans which have scheduled surgery benefits.

They reimburse like 100 bucks for an appendectomy. It's no longer considered 'experimental' to remove infected organs.

[A Patriot]

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2012
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in
St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning
the last Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory
Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low
income tenements and living off various forms of government
welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population
already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase..

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million
criminal invaders called illegal’s - and they vote - then we can say
goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.

If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how
much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our
freedom..

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

the link: http://www.statebudgetsolutions.org/publications/detail/california-on-the-brink-pension-crisis-about-to-get-worse?f=puball

[Extraneus]

Hey, so who's the best candidate so far? Here are the names from Real Clear Politics:

• Paul
• Christie
• Cruz
• Ryan
• Bush
• Rubio
• Walker
• Jindal

I'm for Cruz based on this field, but would consider Walker if he's in. (I like Paul, too, but I think he's too much of a nerd to make it.)

Are there any others (and don't tell me Santorum)?

Do any of these dudes ride Harleys?

[Account Deleted]

Clarice,

I dug into the data dump on 27 and 50 yos for Virginia and it looks like a 50 yo will be paying 50-75% more. The 404Care.fail will keep that hidden until after the election.

How fortuitous for McAuliffe.

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

Here's an extreme example of living in the Leftwing DC media bubble-- an executive editor of The New Republic. It is a cautionary tale for the rest of us.. living in an information bubble skews thinking. For instance, this TNR editor makes not a single reference to the political effect of looming national bankruptcy-- he assumes endless money for parasites so to him, TP opposition to endless money is 'extreme', irrational even. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115332/tea-party-going-down-dysfunction-not

[NK(tryin'2.0)]

I like Mitch Daniels.

[lyle]

Paul
Christie
Cruz
Ryan
Bush
Rubio
Walker
Jindal

No more Bush family, thank you very much.

[MarkO]

I like Ike.

[narciso]

He's also a confirmed socialist, and really pu the Plame brouhaha in play, long before Wilson's Times Op Ed, but he's Journolist, caveat and act accordingly,

[Extraneus]

I'm down on Christie, Ryan, Bush, Rubio and Jindal at this point, but I'd consider Mitch. Guess that makes me a lower-case tea party patriot, though.

[henry]

Walker rides a Harley.

[Jim Eagle]

Do not be surprised that some one not on that list comes out of the blue.

Like Sam Brownback or Suzanna Martinez or Nikki Haley or God forbid - ex Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

Don't focus on the CW but look to the possible not the probable.