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November 26, 2013

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AliceH

FYI, the "news" source (FARS) for the story that what the WH posted re: Iran agreement is different than what Iran says was agreed is not really reliable. For example, they had previously reported on the Iranian time traveler

narciso79

And that makes you doubt them, why Alice;

boricuafudd

Maybe I need to drink some kool-aid or something but is there a deal or not with Iran?

Secondly, whose deal it is the one Iran is claiming or what was released?

centralcal

It is hard deciding between two proven liars, boricuafudd.

narciso79

there was a deal, but it was more like the one with N, Korea, then the one with Libya, or S Africa, less then meets the eys.

Enlightened

Last night as I was driving home on US 101 north in Brisbane, CA (just south of San Francisco) I see a gazillion cops, black SUV's etc etc going south - I knew instantly who it was and my first instinct was a hearty f--k off jerky boy Bambi.

I contrast that with a similar incident I encountered at San Francisco airport back in GW's term - I was making a document delivery to Virgin airways on an airport access road, and as I get back in my car, a black SUV pulls up right behind me. A gazillion motorcycle cops and more SUV's block off the parking lot and I'm thinking holy shite, what is this, did I royally screw up or something? Then I remembered GW was coming to town. About 15 minutes later sure enough his motorcade cruised by and I am not kidding you, my first instinct was to jump out of my car and wave like a giddy 12 yr old. I was so excited to see his motorcade and in my mind I knew he waved back. That was back in a time when being even that close to a President meant something to me.

What a pity this jerk has turned the Presidency into an absolute mockery.

Happy Birthday Soylent and have a Happy, Healthy (hah) and Safe Turkey Day to all!


narciso79

Yes, this heaping on Logan's story seems suspicious, in light of this;


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/26/lawmaker-benghazi-operatives-likely-communicated-with-al-qaeda-leaders-before/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

How are you doing enlightened;

matt

I will never forget one day in the 90's driving south on the 405 just north of LAX and seeing the CHP doing the rolling on ramp blockage and realizing that Clinton was coming to town.

Sure enough the motorcade came driving up an empty 405N and me, being in the #1 lane, I made sure to give him the single digit salute.

Enlightened

Hi Narc- I am doing well - all things considered LOL...

I just keep thinking these last 5 years are all a dream and all we need is a bucket of water to make him go away.....

Countdown to Good Riddance:
Time until Friday, January 20, 2017 (Washington DC time)
1150
DAYS
3
HOURS
55
MINUTES
14
SECONDS

;o\

narciso79

As fiction even Allen Drury would find it nearly implausible, although there were times in the 70s, in 'Come Nineveh, Come Tyre' that he glimpsed the possibilities, McCarry sketched out a similar future,

Miss Marple

Man, I thought I was the last person around who read all of those Drury books! LOL!

I keep telling myself that my ancestors withstood worse than this. However, I do find that I ordered a book to help me enlarge my small vegetable plot into something more like my grandmother had during the Depression.

daddy

OT wrap-up of the South African Hominid Cave expedition.

The dig is finished and they are pulling the supplies and equipment out of the cave.

The UK Mail does a nice wrap up story:

Team Lader Berger says "we don't have anywhere near [all of the fossils]. We haven't scratched the surface. This excavation will go on for decades..."

When the expedition was announced, Berger said that it was being accelerated because the fossils were "vulnerably exposed". On Tuesday, he said that there was evidence that modern humans had already been in the cave, and had damaged some of the fossils.

security measures were being implemented to protect the site, which he described as a site of "world heritage". "We are closing the door behind us, but we will be back."

This Field Trip To Malapa write up by the number 2 Paleontologist at the Dig is a good read, and explains their assumptions of the geology of the region, and the differences between this current dig and a previous one in Malapa, where Berger unearthed another hominid.

This Wellesley College write-up about one of the Cave girls has this nice bit: It wasn’t until the first time I entered the hominin chamber that the enormity of this discovery hit me and I had to take several deep breaths to keep from blurring my vision. The quantity of ancient human bones lying on the surface is enough to drop anyone’s jaw, including the hominin whose hemi-mandible we picked up first.

This post by one of the Amateur Caver's is written a little clunky but contains a nice 2 minute video explaining how they found the bones and showing the difficulty of the climb up and down.

And Paleo-Bonegirl has some nice pix from the last day of the digging:

And that's all I have to say about that:)

boricuafudd

Narciso-

What are the chances that on Monday, we find out there was no deal. That the Admin had another case of PE with Iran.

Ignatz

The Iranians are finding out "you can keep your _______ if you like it" is kind of an all purpose, fill-in-the-blank promise from Barry.

Rocco

My oldest also graduated from Saint A's Saint C's in 2003. He was a good student and I don't ever remember him getting less than A's all the way through high school. So when it came time for college, I worried about the partying and his grades slipping and told him so. Halfway through his first semester, he called me and told me he had a C average in a philosophy class. He said there were no tests in this class and his grade was determined by the papers he wrote. He was given a C after his first assignment so he tried harder on his second assignment and still received a C. He told me he gave it everything he had on his third paper and received another C. Remembering our discussion about his grades, he started to panic and figured he better speak to the professor. She told him the college has a policy of grade deflation and A's were rare. Of course I didn't believe him until I received the college newsletter with an article titled Saint C's.

narciso79

It's not out of the question, boricua, those books are out of print, but they were part of our own building's library,

rich@gmu

Alice-

The source might be flakey, but on this topic-the narrative is right. During the high point of lies of the Clinton Administration regarding North Korea, the North Koreans were more truthful and forthcoming.

I tend to believe that the Iranians don't have to comply with anything for at least 6 months at which time the minor sanctions that are in place will be relieved and they will again sell their oil to the Europeans and Indian (they are already sanction busting).

Another point: when close appear far, when far appear close. Iran probably has a working bomb, they just can't figure a convincing way to pass it off so someone will use it.

Danube on iPad

"May I suggest you all read it completely before making blanket opinions on its content."

I offered no opinion, blanket or otherwise, on its content. I was addressing only the passage quoted by the troll. I stand by what I said.

rich@gmu

Janet-

The administration really doesn't take criticism. Seems a bit much for the reporter to spend more time with the family. If that is what you get for lying then why isn't Rice polluting some university campus instead of drawing a paycheck.

jimmyk

The Iranians are finding out "you can keep your _______ if you like it" is kind of an all purpose, fill-in-the-blank promise from Barry.

Except that, unlike with the American people, he likely intends to keep promises he makes to Iran.

Danube on iPad

"The seizures of Catholic Church assets across Europe amounts to the largest appropriation of property in history."

How does it compare with the settlement of the North American continent by Europeans (of which I wholeheartedly approve)? Or the Spaniards in South America and Mexico? Or the Chinese Communist revolution? Or the Russian?

narciso79

More then a year later, some FBI officials, say they were on the ground, within two days, when it took even longer just to get the CIA contingent out to Tripoli, this cover story stinks like the Fulton Fish Market at noon,

From Herridge's piece, at least two high profile Libyan born AQ, were on site that day,

AliceH

I agree whatever the WH and Iran agreed is likely full of loopholes, vagueness and not worth the pixels posted on WH website. Just saying a Fars article doesn't add any weight to any particular argument either way.

marlene on Kindle

Rocco,St.A's is academically challenging,but the education received is outstanding.

narciso79

Of course, they have their Powells, Sulicks , and Grenier's, as well

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/26/could-saudi-arabia-and-israel-find-common-ground-on-iran/

Rocco

marlene

I agree

Jack is Back!

DoT,

I didn't see the troll's comment. But the encyclical is about "Evangilization" not poverty or income redistribution. In that spirit the Pope reinforces our duty to the gospel of Christ to include the poor in our mission and if we have the resources to aid them as we do in my family every day with contribution of time, money (alms), food and other necessities.

This is part of our stewardship or mission that we sign up for in the spirit of our faith. Francis only emphasizes that in his letter to the faithful. If you have wealth, share it in an alturistic way. Well, that is what most wealthy people do anyway. Some do more with that than others but mostly they share it.

narciso79

Or what's encapsulated in Luke 4;19, as my church is doing, traveling to Landstuhl and
then onto Egypt.

narciso79

From my study of Scripture, one discovers that
our faith is collectively, more subtle and more demanding then we thought possible,

Jack is Back!

narc,

So many mysteries. God made sure NSA would have lifetime employment.

My email signature:

""Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe."

Saint Augustine"

narciso79

We sometimes forget that our faith was forged in the forge of the most comprehensive persecution of the day, how many of the founders survived precious few,

rse

I read the Drury books back in high school as well.

I used to go through the local library looking for interesting books is the only reason I can think I stumbled across them. I had trouble at that library not wanting me reading adult fiction when I was still in elementary school. It made school less boring to always take a book.

Danube on iPad

JiB, I have no idea what was in the encyclical, and even less of an idea whether it was accurately or fairly quoted by the troll. My remarks were diected to the asertions made by the troll, which he attributed to the Pope. Did the Pope refer to "trickle-down" policies in a disparaging way? I don't know. The troll said he did.

narciso79

One suspects the account was not as complete as it appeared, from recent examples;


http://www.catholiccitizens.org/platform/platformlist.asp?p=218

Rick Ballard

"It made school less boring to always take a book."

True, but dice were much lighter and innumeracy among the young offered rather lucrative opportunities and teachable (to some) moments.

Danube on iPad

"2,000 years of history and the heartfelt desire to glorify God tends to build up some assets."

I am not sure why this must necessarily be so, but certainly Martin Luther thought the process had been allowed to go on to an excessive degree. He wasn't alone.

Ignatz

I haven't read and don't have time to read an 85 page treatise but I look forward to the context which changes this;

"In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world," he said. "This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting."

from well worn, incredibly insipid and simply false left wing anti-free-market propaganda into any Gospel I ever read.

Ignatz

Let's hope Cleo was merely being semantic again.

Jack is Back!

Okay, CH and Narc, I am watching POI. What the hell is this about?

Beasts of England

So, I go by one of my happy hour haunts - a very small, very liberal place - for a thanksgiving pot luck dinner. Someone made a deep fried Cajun turkey, which was the best bird I can remember.

The, uh, highlight of the night was the cheese straws. I love cheese straws! These, however, were dosed. About twenty minutes after being given one, I was so wacked I could barely sit in a chair. Some nice young lady drove me home...

And to tie it all in, I have a proposal due tomorrow for one of my very favorite customers: UC-Berkeley. Afroman ain't got shit on me.

narciso79

Well there is a certain continuity from John Paul to Benedict to Francis, yes it makes their opposition to liberation theology rather odd,

narciso79

It's a flashback, to a previous incident, which the latest loss has sparked a memory.

narciso79

It comes across as an unequivocal condemnation of neoliberalism, 'the love of money,' not itself is the root of all evil, interesting that passage rarely dawns in public consciousness, the intention behind the gathering of wealth, is considered,

Beasts of England

Jeez, the greenies - having had their carbon dioxide fetish derailed - have now pivoted to methane. Yeah, cow farts. Twenty-one times more evil than CO2! It's the filet mignon, folks! Step away from that steak knife!

Jane on Ipad hi there NSA

Enlightened, how nice to see you.

My niece was appalled that I cursed every car with an Obama bumper sticker on our trip today, and even more appalled when I suggested one not make it home.

C'est la vie.

narciso79

SkyDragon Nests must be found, in new and exciting places

narciso79

Well I wax ironic, specially when you see SUV's and Hummers, wondering they really missed the point of the exercise.

Jack is Back!

Iggy,

You are reading everything there as it is America he is wrting about. We are not alone but a small part of the Catholic community. What he writes disturbs me because he has no evidence but only perception which l can understand from his Argentine Jesuit perspective.

But stilll will not make friends in the conservative (weatlth giving) Catholic community of America.

Need to talk to my golf partner Pastor to see how he spins this one:)

Rick Ballard

When I read "a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power", my thoughts fly to the fully flowered fascists at GovMo, GovEl, BlueGovIns, TBTF banksters, the hedgehogs and the political whores in their employ and I am willing to wait for clarification. We don't have any meaningful Schumpeterian creative destruction going on and we have an utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt oligarchy in need of removal. The ruling scum have choked off the trickle and need a lamppost of their very own.

MarkO on iPad

I think it refers to the entire dairy industry.

Wasn't it Zooey who said it was as greedy to lay up treasure in heaven as on earth?

I want to know why we should believe a single thing Obama says.

Ann

Jane,
I have similar car rides with my daughter!! :)

Happy Birthday, Soylent!

If this is true, I want everyone of you to send every coin in every drawer/car glove box and more to them:

http://youngcons.com/if-conservatives-are-racist-why-are-over-20-black-republicans-are-running-for-office-in-2013-1014/

narciso79

Yes, there is a problem, even in the 80s, the
Bishop's encyclical were used as a battering ram against Reagan's economic and foreign policies, that part Cuomo, Ferraro had no problem with.

Jack is Back!

So, the Caviziel character is a good guy?

narciso79

Big Cow, almost as dangerous as the inscrutable Canadian Menace, the Sauds and the Israelis are certainly acting as if there is a deal, however Doha has become the understudy in this arrangement

narciso79

Yes he's in the Jack Bauer, Michael Weston vein, a little more tormented then the last.


How are you doing Ann?

narciso79

He can't get no respect, snorfle;


It was a fundraising pitch--not from OFA but from The Yes Men, an Alinskyite group of merry pranksters (or, in their self-description, a "raggedy group of anti-corporate weirdos"). The note from "Obama" was a satire from the left--and it was pitch-perfect up until the Cuba reference, which descended into self-parody. The Yes Men no doubt believe Cuba's health-care system is better than America's. Maybe the OFA guys do too, but if so, they're savvy enough to keep it to themselves.

narciso79

Taranto reminds us, friends don't let friends read Nocera, except to snark;

So far, at least, the implementation of the Affordable Care Act has been President Obama's Bay of Pigs. Led to believe that the preparation for Obamacare was on track, Obama was blindsided when that turned out not to be the case.

Nadine D

I hope there is peace after this! I personally think he's got it all wrong!

narciso79

One tries to forget he wrote the movie 'Dave'


"The Geneva deal may turn out to advance America's Middle East interests; it may be a historic blunder; it may make no difference. But as we lay odds on those outcomes, it's useful to recall that the lessons of history are more art than science, and the art is the skill of the storyteller."--Marty Kaplan, Puffington Host, Nov. 25

Ann

Good, narciso79

Hope you have a lovely Thanksgiving with your mom.

Captain Hate

So, the Caviziel character is a good guy?

He already had a decent career but I hope this turbocharges it. Seeing a trailer for that recent Stallone stinker, he pretty much played his POI character in a bit role. Free money.

narciso79

You too, Ann, how are the squirrels.

boricuafudd

Jack-
As you mentioned, the example of Argentina which has never been a real free economy is repeated throughout South America but the problems has more to do with the class system that still persists.

Class dictates your educational, whether you will get a job, be able to start a business, etc. It is easy from this point of view to the system as broken.

Not enough credit or attention is given to Chile or even Brazil were once the government stepped aside their economies took off which has grown the middle class and has diminished the poor considerably.

narciso79


Yes. we'll give that all due consideration, right...

http://www.timesofisrael.com/obama-adviser-urges-israel-not-to-strike-at-iran/

Captain Hate

Dear God, the amount of mush headed flimflammery in that 11:01 might ruin my Thanksgiving.

BB Key

lots of closure in tonight's POI ...is this the last season ?

narciso79

I wrote a paper or two on the subject of South American economic policies, events being cyclical, Argentina is hopefully at the end of this experience in fiscal sorcery, like the Peron era, and part of the era of the Colonel,

Argentina was caught in the undertow of the Depression when it toppled the mostly free market Irigoyen regime, it became more autarchic and nationalist, thus setting back it's growth prospect for a generation,

narciso79

They came to sanity, relatively speaking for a while, even though the return of military regimes, starting in '66, distorted their development,

It's a big deal when a major character passes, we get a glimpse of what events shaped Shaw's outlook, I'm not spelling out the details,

narciso79

The last outbreak of sanity, came with Menem, and his majordomo Cavallo, they practiced a degree of free market policies with some austerity, however two things got in the way,
the local governors overspent, and Greenspan
's first big interest spike hike, gave us a cold, but gave Argentina, pnuemonia, which led
to their debt servicing costs spiking,

Captain Hate

lots of closure in tonight's POI ...is this the last season ?

Doubt it; this was just one of many prolonged story lines and they opened up another with that vigilante group for people that have been harmed by info released online. Plus there's at least one team of bad guys that wants to screw with the machine. In addition you have whatever the machine will evolve to. Either one of those could be drawn upon for a long time. And there's always the weekly people to be rescued.

narciso79

Yes, Kaplan's bit of fluff was indeed ridiculous, Zsa Zsa doesn't pay for this, does she, but it's not within one standard deviation of beltway wisdom,

Ignatz

Skipped most comments to remind you guys that we west coasters see shows a little later than you.
Apologies if nobody gave anything away. :)

Captain Hate

Zsa Zsa cashed out, no? Previously I think she gave them almost no compensation for that kind of dreck.

Time for bed; nice to have the laptop back.

Gus

Extraneus. I'd agree to background checks on gun buyers if we could do the same to VOTERS.

Jeff Dobbs

Ignatz:
Apologies if nobody gave anything away. :)

I'm way too invested in the style guide. Already struck the rule regarding fixing typos. I guess "that's how I roll" is next.

Everyone apologize to everyone else. It's good manners and no one needs to heed the words of either Jim Ryan or Leroy Jethro Gibbs.

I won't ever give in. It'll just be me and the wisdom of children....

daddy

The Aussie's need to apologize for Aussie Rules football. Bye!

Neo

“I would like to work here,” Obama told the crowd. “I have asked Jeffrey. The only concern I had was the lights were kind of dim in the offices, and I’m pretty sure I’d fall asleep. But there’s a natural connection between me and DreamWorks. I don’t know if you know this — but my ears were one of the inspirations for Shrek. That’s true, true story.”

... whatever you do don't mention "Love Story" around Al Gore

Jeff Dobbs

I'd like to apologize for the number of words I used on the Ninety Days thread, but I won't. That's just how I roll.

G'nite!

Miss Marple

Good morning!

Dana Milbank accuses the White House of using propaganda, and the reaction of the Obamabots in the comments is something to behold.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obamas-white-house-takes-image-control-to-a-new-level/2013/11/26/13b95c20-56da-11e3-835d-e7173847c7cc_story.html

Extraneus

Hillary Clinton reaps $450,000 fee for speech

Miss Marple

That $450,000 speaking fee should put Pope Francis' words in perspective, especially since it was to a global financial group.

This is the woman who deducted the cash value of used underwear as a donation on her tax returns. How tacky is that?

narciso79

That was not one of Pope Francis' better efforts,

narciso79

Ehy are the rest of Fox's team so lame, rhetorical, we know Krauthammer's initial reaction;

http://therightscoop.com/awesome-megyn-kelly-interviews-expert-on-ipab-aka-death-panels/

Captain Hate

This is the woman who deducted the cash value of used underwear as a donation on her tax returns. How tacky is that?

I may not gain any weight tomorrow after all.

Jack is Back!

Good morning, JOM: The Desolate Wilderness

/a WSJ editorial since 1961

Miss Marple

narciso79,

I see on Twitter this morning that the translation to English of Pope Francis's words has some problems.

I will take to heart concern for the poor but also realize that during the Reagan recovery he was a priest in Argentina, not exactly a bastion of capitalism.

All of us are shaped by how we grew up, even the Pope.

narciso79

They are the Bonnie and Clyde of the late 90s,
or I forget who was Jesse James's moll, except they the former didn't have such a large entourage.

Miss Marple

JiB,

Alas, the editorial is behind their paywall.

Miss Marple

narciso, I still remember when they looted the White House. The White House usher had to go up to New York and bring back paintings and furniture and a bowl by Dale Chilhuly.

narciso79

I pointed out last night, how classically liberal regimes south of the border, have been inperfect, hence the appeal of what the younger
Vargas Llosa called the 'Latin American idiot' which Tommy Boy Maduro, is the poster child,

Captain Hate

Amidst all his pros and cons, one of Christopher Hitchens' best attributes was his willingness to point out, in unsparing detail, what grifter trash the Clintoons are.

Miss Marple

I still have Hitchens' book about them. It's not current, of course, but it is still full of wonderful quotes.

And I never could bring myself to send it to Half-Price books once he died.

Captain Hate

Here beginneth the chronicle of those memorable circumstances of the year 1620, as recorded by Nathaniel Morton , keeper of the records of Plymouth Colony, based on the account of William Bradford , sometime governor thereof:

So they left that goodly and pleasant city of Leyden, which had been their resting-place for above eleven years, but they knew that they were pilgrims and strangers here below, and looked not much on these things, but lifted up their eyes to Heaven, their dearest country, where God hath prepared for them a city (Heb. XI, 16), and therein quieted their spirits.

When they came to Delfs-Haven they found the ship and all things ready, and such of their friends as could not come with them followed after them, and sundry came from Amsterdam to see them shipt, and to take their leaves of them. One night was spent with little sleep with the most, but with friendly entertainment and Christian discourse, and other real expressions of true Christian love.

The next day they went on board, and their friends with them, where truly doleful was the sight of that sad and mournful parting, to hear what sighs and sobs and prayers did sound amongst them; what tears did gush from every eye, and pithy speeches pierced each other's heart, that sundry of the Dutch strangers that stood on the Key as spectators could not refrain from tears. But the tide (which stays for no man) calling them away, that were thus loath to depart, their Reverend Pastor, falling down on his knees, and they all with him, with watery cheeks commended them with the most fervent prayers unto the Lord and His blessing; and then with mutual embraces and many tears they took their leaves one of another, which proved to be the last leave to many of them.

Being now passed the vast ocean, and a sea of troubles before them in expectations, they had now no friends to welcome them, no inns to entertain or refresh them, no houses, or much less towns, to repair unto to seek for succour; and for the season it was winter, and they that know the winters of the country know them to be sharp and violent, subject to cruel and fierce storms, dangerous to travel to known places, much more to search unknown coasts.

Besides, what could they see but a hideous and desolate wilderness, full of wilde beasts and wilde men? and what multitudes of them there were, they then knew not: for which way soever they turned their eyes (save upward to Heaven) they could have but little solace or content in respect of any outward object; for summer being ended, all things stand in appearance with a weatherbeaten face, and the whole country, full of woods and thickets, represented a wild and savage hew.

If they looked behind them, there was a mighty ocean which they had passed, and was now as a main bar or gulph to separate them from all the civil parts of the world.

narciso79

And yet he fell for a greater conman,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/10472538/Iran-nuclear-deal-Saudi-Arabia-warns-it-will-strike-out-on-its-own.html

Morning Joke, is dabbling in theology, epic fail.

Jeff Dobbs

That was not nearly enough sleep.

jimmyk

Both WSJ editorials are transcribed here "The Desolate Wilderness" and "The Fair Land"):

http://education-curriculum-reform-government-schools.org/w/2011/11/desolate-wilderness-pilgrims-arrive-at-plymouth/

Thomas Collins

http://www.irs.gov/portal/site/irspup/menuitem.143f806b5568dcd501db6ba54251a0a0/?vgnextoid=42cef3b99f492410VgnVCM1000003b4d0a0aRCRD

Proposed regulations are coming out on permissible political activity of 501(c)(4) social welfare organizations (see above link).

Jack is Back!

TC,

The proof is in the pudding: How will these rules be applied to Prog/Dem aligned outfits compared to the Conservative/T-Party/Libertarian outfits. To me that is the issue not the restrictions.

YMMV

marlene on Kindle

Morning.Safe travels.Why are winter storms given names? The hype around this storm is excessive.Easy for me to say,we fly back on Friday.

jimmyk

On the IRS, a lot may hinge on the definition of "promote social welfare":

In particular, there has been considerable public focus regarding the proportion of a section 501(c)(4) organization’s activities that must promote social welfare. Due to the importance of this aspect of the regulation, the proposed guidance requests initial comments on this issue.

I suspect the left will want to impose a rather specific definition that would hinder conservative organizations.

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