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November 26, 2013


Jack is Back!

Happy Thanksgiving & Hannakuh!


did I hear correctly, the next conjunction of those two events for 79,000 years.


Good morning and Happy Thanksgiving and Hanukkah to all. I don't have to make anything and don't have to travel too far - not leaving for a couple of hours - so this truly is a stress free and blessed holiday for me!

Stephanie, so sorry about the nausea. Babara, sorry you're unable to eat much today! Maybe the both of you can have a mini-replay of Thanksgiving goodies a few days from now. I have done that before.

Miss Marple

Holocaust survivor reunited with man whose family saved him


There are still good people in the world. Happy Thanksgiving!


Happy Thanksgiving & Hannukah!!

I have been wondering if something would try to sneak through this week as happened last year and sure enough it is the new definitions of citizenship that were so controversial in Hong KOng. They so wanted to release in during a quiet period it is my 1st doc that has a 2014 copyright notice. Whatever. I am thankful that is successfully seized, read, and stashed.

I am also thankful I located the best place to order a turkey from and suggested inlaws bring that. Just as I suspected my family was in "what's for dinner" mode last night and I cheated and picked up pizzas Monday night. And nibbled on those leftovers while prepping side dishes the last 2 days.

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.

Can someone report back on the creamed cheese mashed potatoes? Hoping to have the human eating machine for Christmas and that would be handy to know.


If the "Non-partisan" group doesn't find any success stories do they have to give the million dollar grant back?
Is there no control whatsoever over how much money the Obama regime can give to leftists?

Jeff Dobbs

I was trying to post that Carlson quote via Ace, Ext. Notice this...

Two statements explain the huge failure of Obamacare. One is by President Barack Obama, the other is about him.

The first was made in St. Paul, Minnesota, at the end of the 2008 primary campaign, when candidate Obama predicted that generations would look back and see his nomination as “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

Sure, everyone remembers that oceans part of that St. Paul speech (even if many think Obama said they would recede, which he didn't).

But when talking about Obamacare, there is another more relevant reference in that speech that Obama was certain we would look back on...

I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick

Shoot. Something's gone wrong. What happened.....oh, wait. I know...

They told me that if I voted for John McCain, millions would have their health insurance policies cancelled. And they were right!

Miss Marple

One of the things I find most disturbing about all this is the continual, intentional use of religious and particularly messianic language used for Obama and his policies.

Even now.

Reuters has a story about the "second coming" of the web site.

Jack is Back!

Thanksgiving 10 years ago

Remember this?

h/t Insty


By the way, that unstoppable Huckabee juggernaut, that was going to stomp all over Rush, aint happening, another cunning plan on the part of Cumulus.


Just saw this on Twitter. For some reason it made me think of Hit.

Let the turkey chill in the sink.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Is there no control whatsoever over how much money the Obama regime can give to leftists?

No control. It's the looting of a nation. Our tax dollars fund the leftist ...all the "green" groups, Planned Parenthood, la Raza,..all of 'em.
Pigford, the "green" bankrupt companies like Solyndra, reimbursed "green" organizations when they sue,...
It never ends.
We need a Sherman's march through the leftist supply lines. Cut them off. Cut off right groups too for that matter.

Miss Marple

Janet, I totally agree with you.

It seems to me that they are involved in confiscating all wealth and at the same time preventing anyone from earning more.


Happy Thanksgiving, everybody !

(and Happy Hannukah, too)

Miss Marple

Oh, I forgot to include it and I meant to!

Happy Hannukah, everyone! And Happy Thanksgiving!


Actually it's really not that surprising, although it would burn out Carlos Slim's chimp's chip;


Jeff Dobbs

Love that pic centralcal.

[TheVIMH: you should totally reenact that scene, take a pic and post it.]
I, I think you're right.

Happy Thanksgiving!


It seems top staff picks, are as rare there as here



Speaking of turkeys, Denis McDonough pretends not be one,


Happy Thanksgiving! Happy Hannukah!

Remember that goodness & light prevailed over more capable tyrants than those we face today -- the JEF is no Caesar except in his own tiny mind.

Beasts of England

Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Hanukkah, JOMers!

Please travel safely and stay warm!


How long does a Obamacare success story last?



although determine whether the reporter is the turkey, is an open question;


Old Lurker

What Beast said:

"Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Hanukkah, JOMers!"


Sure, the gov't could have just bought them all a policy for way cheaper, but how many people out there really couldn't buy insurance before now?


Well he's between denial and acceptance, his followers haven't gotten that;


Jack is Back!

Happy Thanksgiving from Ronald Reagan, 1985


--One of the things I find most disturbing about all this is the continual, intentional use of religious and particularly messianic language used for Obama and his policies.

Even now.

Reuters has a story about the "second coming" of the web site.

Posted by: Miss Marple | November 28, 2013 at 08:28 AM --

I know I'm repetitive on this stuff but the people a narcissist surrounds himself with are Eric Hoffer's True Believer cubed.
It is literally a cult, with the N in the middle, functioning as a type of deity.
Unless you have closely encountered one of these bizarre little self-contained solar systems you can't begin to understand the fealty that is involved. The N literally builds an alternate universe that cohabits with this one and the intrusion of reality is more unwelcome than head lice at a haberdashery.
This cult has to interface with the real world of course and all of its energy is devoted to looking as normal as possible while doing so, but the interface is always on its terms and only bends to reality very grudgingly and only when absolutely necessary.

It is amazing how otherwise seemingly sensible people are drawn into the orbit of this black hole of surrealism and will very soon be impervious to reason, choosing instead to believe the most outlandish lies about people they have known their whole lives and rationalizing away any evidence that is contrary to the constructed "reality" they live in no matter if the whole rest of the world tells them it's true and it's in black and white with a certified stamp on it.
The rest of the world has been so demonized that any contrary evidence is written off as the machinations of sinister forces arrayed against the N because at its heart is this conceit "we're the only sane ones, the rest of the world is crazy".
In reality, every narcissist believes he is hopelessly damaged and worthless and separated from the rest of the world by the damage so they build the alternate reality to protect that craziness and hence the conceit. The omniscient, smartest-guy-in-the-room facade they project to the world is simply to protect this half formed person at their center and the world is apparently full to the brim with idiots just yearning to be drawn into this nutcake's world.


Well there is some of that, but more of this;


Moses Fletcher

In the name of God Amen· We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord King James by the grace of God, of great Britain, France, & Ireland king, defender of the faith, &c
Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith & honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia· do by these presents solemnly & mutually in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant, & combine our souls together into a civill body politic; for the our better ordering, & preservation & furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof, to enact, constitute, and frame such just & equal laws, ordinances, Acts, constitutions, & offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most mete & convenient for the general good of the colony into which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have here under subscribed our names at Cape Cod the ·11· of November, in the year of the reign of our sovereign Lord King James of England, France, & Ireland the eighteenth and of Scotland the fifty fourth. Ano: Dom 1620


Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Hanukkah to all.
rse, I made the mashed potatoes with cream cheese yesterday and we product-tested them last night. They were delicious -- ultra smooth and creamy. You could not taste the cream cheese at all. I used the Pioneer Woman's recipe, and the Lawry's seasoned salt, which I don't ordinarily use, was a nice touch.


This was the 'Mouse that roared' instance that showed his glass jaw;


Beasts of England

Yukon golds, MaryD?


Enjoy the day Jomers!

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Beasts of England

Is that David Gergen in the pilgrim's bonnet?

Danube on iPad

"How absurd am I willing to make myself in order to cover up for this arrogant buffoon's incompetence?"

I think the ultimate arbiter on that question has to be Debbie W-S.

Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Hanukkah to all.

Account Deleted

"rationalizing away any evidence that is contrary to the constructed "reality" they live in no matter if the whole rest of the world tells them it's true and it's in black and white with a certified stamp on it."

Giving true believers a cheat sheet to use to describe the wonders of the iceberg encountered on the maiden voyage of the SS Obamicare is the current incident supporting the contention.

May His Pignorance receive all he deserves, today and for the rest of his life.

marlene on Kindle

If you venture out to the Black Friday sales,be aware that the unions will be protesting big retail.The daughter will be at a store in Maryland answering media inquiries.The unions seem to think they will be effective blocking Black Friday shoppers from the stores.Yeah,that should work out well.


lol, Beasts! She(?) is a dead ringer!


I see a Chip Dillard incident, repeated endlessly,

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Ig's 10:32 is worth reading again. This week's news item about the nuptials of Charles Manson (nearly 80 now), and his new 25 year old wife is a perfect illustration of Ig's last point:

...the world is apparently full to the brim with idiots just yearning to be drawn into this nut cake's world.


more on Marlene's comment -


“They’re protests held by professional protesters—oftentimes paid and given training—to cause a scene for publicity.”

As usual...it's a fraud....amplified by a complicit "news" media.


more - http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/25/Exclusive-Audio-Elves-are-Santa-s-slaves-Inside-well-funded-Left-s-anti-Walmart-Black-Friday-protests

No IRS harassment for leftist groups. Note that RAP- the Retail Action Project - is a tax exempt organization. JWJ - Jobs With Justice - is a 501(c)3 non-profit also.
"Foundation and government grants as well as direct and in-kind contributions from unions make up the balance of RAP’s revenue. Like other worker centers, the organization is staffed by former union organizers, yet hides behind the veil of charitable non-profits."


Old Lurker

Doncha think firing your website provider (Verizon) and hiring somebody new (HP) 48 hours before your website is supposed to be "fixed" might not be the best sign for success?


"government grants"

Being used To defeat any employer except the government in America.

Sandy 213 Daze
Happy Thanksgiving & Happy Hanukkah,

Take good care and enjoy the day, JOMers!



The transfer from Verizon to HP happens next year.

Happy Thanksgiving and Hanukkah all!

Old Lurker

Thanks DrJ. Knowing that if I were a Verizon techie I might not be busting my butt this weekend to help them out.

Old Lurker

Question for Iggy:

Iggy is your detailed knowledge of N due to living with your brother? If so then my hat is off to you since I have not spent anywhere near the time you have trying to understand my whacko sister (who fits your descriptions to a T).


Happy Thanksgiving JOM! On iPad or would post GW's first Thanksgiving proclamation.

Sue, that is cool - my husband's uncle and aunt are here. Joshua is a nice spot.


That Retail Action Project is a reminder what is coming in 2014 and accelerating now but you know what, we have pieced it together. In between cooking I am reading a 75 book that laid out what is now being sought. And why. And there's no dispute or the intention to give up prosperity and that will not play well.

http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/once-again-being-grateful-for-what-we-know-and-appreciating-why-it-matters/ went up yesterday. It is mostly last year's philosophical piece on why liberty matters and why control over widely held ideas is so necessary once social control is sought.

That's a story we will all need to be able to make in the coming months. We are not the ones with a toxic hope for the future.

Thanks MaryD. Just finished the spinanch and have the chicken stock simmering in roasted turkey bones to get the flavor that the take out approach to the turkey keeps away.


Happy Thanksgiving all


And Happy Chanuka too


Danube on iPad

Middle stepson-in-law is a principal in a business (wine distributor) with 22 employees. He told me last night that those employees' premiums are going to double. I'll have to ask him today how he knows that, but I assume that they just worked around the exchange somehow, as others are now being encouraged to do.

I don't see how the delay of SHOP helps the Dems in 2014. Non-compliant plans will have to be ditched, and replacement plans found one way or another.

Danube on iPad

Obama at 34% in Ahia.


Hi Beasts, the casserole was all Yukon Golds. I will never do it any other way. ;-)



South Korea and Japan said they sent military planes into China's new air-defense zone without notifying Beijing and would send others, stepping up opposition to China's moves to assert control of regional airspace.
Moses Fletcher

Feel good story of the day.

I doubt they will taling healthcare or politics:) At leaset I hope they have more than that after 60 years.

Father, Son reunite after 60 years. Thought his father was killed in Vietnam.

Moses Fletcher

Geez: I doubt they will be talking healthcare or politics:) At least I hope.....


JiB, what's with the handle?

Moses Fletcher


One of the signers of the Mayflower Compact and a direct ansendent of my family, paternal grandmother's side. I thought for Thanksgiving I would post the compact and use his name for posting.

Corny but hey its better than talking about healthcare.


Getting ready to leave in about 15 minutes. I look forward (?) to rejoining you all hours from now - time to read the ranting about the football game(s), how you are stuffed to the gills (food and alcohol), and hear some interesting stories about the family gathering (especially if yours included looney liberals).

THAT will be the entertainment portion of this day! grin


Standing between nearly feral shoppers, and their stuff, why do I think this will not work out.


Hewlett Packard, really, Untergang,


--Ig's 10:32 is worth reading again. This week's news item about the nuptials of Charles Manson (nearly 80 now), and his new 25 year old wife is a perfect illustration of Ig's last point:--

LOL, Jim. I had actually typed a last sentence referring to that unfortunate young dope but since it's such an extreme case deleted it thinking it might detract from my point. Guess it didn't. :)


Is their a colloquial term for turkey, over there;



I guess we should be thankful it wasn't more!

Green Energy Dishonor Roll

Wait-- It was more!

"(not including other state, local, and federal tax credits and subsidies):"


Speaking of Turkeys, the Post serves up Reza Aslan, for 'reasons passing understanding'


Happy Thanksgiving and Hannukah, JOMers. I give you George Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation from 1789:

“Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor, and Whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me ‘to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.’

“Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, Who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of His providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

“And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually, to render our national government a blessing to all the People, by constantly being a government of wise, just and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shown kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and Us, and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.”


So, we see the real reason she was carved up, and served by CBS;



If you get what you pay for then my insight into narcissists should be pretty extensive since it cost me a few million.
I always just assumed my brother was just a foul tempered jerk at times. He wasn't a jerk all the time so it was hard to spot the pattern, especially since I'm so bad at it. And he also had a semi plausible explanation for what he was doing.

This was his world; people around him who he bullied into compliance and some external enemy who he needed to have some war with, of both the hot and cold varieties.

But once I decided to pick up my jacks and stop making him a living I became enemy numero uno.
A friend who is a therapist, and diagnosed him immediately after I told her his behavior, is the one who revealed the pattern to it all. And I started commenting on a board of people with relatives and spouses of Ns and the stories were all depressingly similar.
Once I understood him then everything he did became not only clear but generally predictable although they always seem to surprise at the audacity of the lies they'll tell.
The true revelation, and shock, though came as I watched my otherwise fairly sensible sisters and even my mom choose his psycho side of things.
I told them time and again what would happen and everything I said came to pass and nothing he said ever did and it made not the slightest dent in their perceptions of his trustworthiness and my supposed duplicity.
Even the total drubbing they took in the last trial where the judge publicly humiliated him when he started yapping his gibberish in court was sufficient to pierce the coccoon they live in.
The first of the year I'm finally filing suit, first to boot them from the non profit they have been abusing for ten years and used to sue us and then individually. I have no idea if even a $5 million dollar judgment would make a dent. It's not inconceivable there could be criminal prosecutions. Sadly, if they ended up broke and with a criminal record for following their Pied Piper of a brother I suspect they would still think he was right all along and the crazy world just screwed them.
Know any good deprogrammers?


....was *in*sufficient...

Jeff Dobbs



The turkey is in and I'm catching up with this thread. Stephanie and Barbara, I hope you are both feeling better.

The Lips that touch liquor post, and the drunken turkey, and the David Gergen picture are all laugh out loud keepers.

Hope everyone's day is going well!

Captain Hate

So, we see the real reason she was carved up, and served by CBS;

I'm still not seeing where Davies isn't a reliable source. Everything he's being taken to task on was an effort to find out what was going on rather than sitting on his duff as ordered.

If Fat Boy wanted to be taken seriously as a candidate he'd be blasting this and every other thing related to this still unexamined scandal.

Old Lurker

Fascinating, Iggy.

My sister badgered my father into supporting her forever. When Dad died I got that job because I got to run the little company that owned our rental real estate in WV. The bitch drove me nuts, but for Mom's sake I just wrote the checks. When Mom died, my brother handled Mom's estate (he was her lawyer) and that brought out all of her evil hatred toward "all Lurker Men" but all that rolled off my brother's litigator back, not problem. So she focused her venom on me (sounding JUST like your brother). I put up with that for two years then notified my brother and sister that I had run Dad's company for 25 years, that I had written personal checks for $600,000 to support its losses which included payments to Mom and Sister (but not to my brother or me), but that come 12/31 of that year I intended to be done with all the drama. We sold some of the assets and I got back all but $150,000 of my loans which I then forgave so the company would be debt free. Then I told them both that I considered the fair value of the remaining assets to be $X for each of our thirds, and that I would pay them each $2X (twice the value of their thirds) if they both agreed to sell their shares to me within 30 days. However if both of them did not agree to sell, then I would not buy out the other, rather I would dispose of my third on my own. Basically I told them I either wanted it all with no other shareholders or none of it.

Sure enough, the bitch assumed if I were offering $2X, it was clearly worth much more than that so she refused.

After 30 days my brother said he would deal with her and he would buy my shares for the $2X I had offered him. Told him he could have the shares but not at a premium, and if he had to take her on, he could have my shares for $X/2.

I think the last conversation I had with her was her screaming at me about how could I have thrown her into a 50-50 deal with my brother and what a bad person that made me. I quietly suggested she check her math on that 50/50 thing and offered that she was about to learn what 1/3 of the shares of a corporation really entitled her to, particularly when the other 2/3 were owned by a litigator.

I understand her education has been brutal.

And my life has been peaceful ever since.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Moses Fletcher

We are enjoying the virtual family Thanksgiving at Iggy's house where OL and his sister are special guests and Iggy's brother shows up with the rolls:)

Today's Thanksgiving Dinner wine - a 2000 Vieux Chateau Certain (Pomerol).


--I understand her education has been brutal.--

Here's hoping for a brutal New Year out here on the West Coast as well, OL.

The really sad thing is I had split up from him business-wise in 1990 and we went through a mini drama then, but I just assumed he was an a-hole not a lunatic, so to make peace in the family and smooth any ruffled feathers I invited him back in, in 1992.
Ranks second in the mistakes I've made, below only my lack of insistence Mrs. Iggy do her mammograms in her mid and late forties.

Old Lurker

Iggy, I will grant you your mistake letting the brother back in. But never any second guessing regarding Mrs. Iggy. Stop that.

Old Lurker

Nice wine Moses! Thanks for having us over.


If my brother shows up JiB, I'll have to put the welcome mat over the Burmese Tiger trap I dug for just such an occasion. :)

I suggested she do them but she felt she had too much radiation from her days as a dental hygienist and so I let it drop. I should have insisted and didn't. It's not eating me up, but it has been a kind of background radiation, for want of a better term, for the last eight years.

Ultimately it was her decision and of course there's no guarantee they would have found it anyway, but the great irony is she absorbed 1,000 times, who knows maybe 10,000 times the radiation undergoing radiation therapy and various scans as she would have from a couple of mammograms.

My Thanksgiving request is every JOM gal be sure and do hers and understand that breast self exams are almost completely useless.
Not to indulge in too much Janet-like TMI, but I kept those breasts pretty busy and didn't feel the lump until it was about an inch in diameter. And her ob/gyn had given her a manual exam right around then and had missed it too and had in previous years when it was smaller but still palpable.

Old Lurker

You are a good man, Iggy.

This has to be a terrible TG for you, but we are all thinking of you.

Beasts of England

Glad to hear it, MaryD!

Very interesting relative, JiB. Really cool.

Thanksgiving anecdotes later - once the tryptophan wears off...


Happy Thanksgiving & Happy Hanukkah everyone!!!

Beasts of England

Damnit, JiB - that blows my Ch. Giscours away! Pomerols are pretty intense - especially the fin de siècle vintage. Hope you only ate dark meat!

Moses Fletcher

Just finished our Thanksgiving dinner and I am please to report that the Certan was everything Robert Parker said of it - 98pts and worthy of HOF status.

I cooked a fresh turkey from Publix and glazed it with a basting syrup I made from the soak of dried prunes and apricots, a little honey, a little lemon and water. Let it simmer to thicken, added a fig-induced balsamic and whisked in a stick of butter. Glazed it every 15 minutes which produced the most crispy delicious skin and moist meat I have ever had. Thanks to Tyler Florence for the tip on the glaze. He uses figs but I wanted to use the dried prunes and apricots I already had.

Now, what to do with "de reste"? That is why I have a Belgian in the house. They do more with leftovers than the French do with fresh ingredients.:)

Moses Fletcher


Certan is my BIL's family. His cousin has Le Pin. Every TG, Christmas, and Birthdays plus our Anniversary we break out the Certan. More than a little too robust for turkey but who cares about pairings with such a fine wine:)

Beasts of England

Double damn, JiB! I've had one Le Pin - pretty heady stuff! Had the Vieux Ch. Certan many times. Love the merlot-based Bordeaux! Congratulations!


Talk about a case of indigestion;


Miss Marple

Hello, all!

I am back from my brother's house. We had a nice visit and dinner and I am home to make sure the dogs got fed. My daughter has to get up early tomorrow for work, so we got home just before sundown.

I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving!

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