We'll Score This As "Not A Like"

With the calm and civility we have learned to expect when the object of their affection is questioned, the "Booman" denounces a NY Times contributer who complained about her insurance premium hikes under Obamacare as "either misinformed or the worst kind of liar".

Yeah, yeah. Ms Gottlieb is writing as a single (well-paid) mom in California with at least one child who complained that her new replacement plan would cost $5,400 more than the plan being cancelled. I can't compare precisely, but here in My Blue Heaven of Connecticut, my wife's personal Anthem plan was also cancelled as non-compliant. To replace it with a new Anthem plan with the same deductibles and copays (i.e., a Gold plan) would have cost an additional $600/month, or $7,200 per year.

Or, to replace it with a plan at a slightly lower premium than we currently pay we could have increased our deductible by $9,600 and an annual out-of-pocket max by $6,600. For various reasons hitting the deductible is a bit of a sure thing, so when I engage in cocktail party chit-chat and tell people that my wife's insurance cost under Obamacare rose by $6,000 or $7,000 dollars I am neither lying nor misinformed.

As to Ms. Gottlieb, her story is consistent with my experience, but how can I be sure? However, as to the choice between (a) she's lying, and (b) the Booman is suffering from an ObamaCare induced anal-cranial impaction which we hope is covered by his insurance, well, I have to go with (b). Also based on experience.

It is interesting to observe the rage and denial displayed by the reality-based community when introduced to reality. Prof. Althouse has more on that.

AND SPEAKING OF ESCAPE FROM REALITY... Garance Franke-Ruta, writing in Tha Atlantic, offers five ideas that might be even better than an apology from Obama for fixing health care. I love this exhortation:

2. Enroll "Young Invincibles": The second most urgent problem is getting enough young healthy people into the exchanges to keep rates low in 2014. Between Healthcare.gov's technical troubles, the complexity of signing up through the exchange sites, and the fact that many of the uninsured are not the most civically engaged people in America, it's no surprise that most of the uninsured haven't even visited a single exchange website. It is going to take a lot to get them insured. 

To get the young people whom the system needs to succeed into the exchanges will require more than just "navigators" and microtargeting key populations. Fortunately, if the Obama campaigns in 2008 and 2012 were good at anything, it was turning out and engaging young people, and that knowledge ought to be deployed in the campaign to sign people up for insurance, too. The campaigns made electing Obama a community project and a community conversation that involved meeting people where they were to talk about politics and voting. It involved barbershops and hair salons, coffee shops, laundromats, community organizations. Getting the insurance equivalent of low-information, unlikely-turnout voters to sign up for insurance—something much more complicated than going to the polls—will require tremendous work.

More "complicated" than going to the polls? It's also an awful lot more expensive!  Getting callow youth to think Obama was cooler than Hillary, McCain or Mitt - easy. Getting them to translate that sense of shared cool purpose into a willingness tio stand in line for an hour and vote (twice!) - not so hard. Getting them to translate that into a willingness to spend hundreds of dollars a month on insurance they don't need in order to subsidize the old and sick? Good luck. They may be dumb enough to have voted for Obama, but they aren't that dumb.

Comments

[Threadkiller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHVCzCYHyJI

[jimmyk]

Getting them to translate that into a willingness to spend hundreds of dollars a month on insurance they don't need in order to subsidize the old and sick?

The old and sick whose Social Security and Medicare they are already subsidizing (in the sense of paying more into it than they will ever get back), incidentally.

[Comanche Voter]

I don't know Mr. Maguire. The old truism "Ignorance can be cured, but stupid is forever." is particularly applicable to the Obama fans of this world.

[Steve]

They aren't that dumb? Isn't voting for Obama the textbook definition of 'as dumb as it gets'?

[Threadkiller]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/hot-mic-moment-obama-drops-jesus-bomb-on-veterans-day-video/#disqus_thread

Sounds fake.

[Dave (in MA)]

It's not fake unless Fox is behind it,

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2828660841001/111113wreathlaying1107/

(right at the end)

[narciso]

Now. who's being naive, Kay'

http://minx.cc/?post=344899

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Garance Franke-Ruta? I should have stoped right there, sounds like a 19th century Prussian Duke ... or an Obamaniac.

TomM says "...they aren't that dumb." Well they are Tom, but they don't have any money to buy ExchaangeCare, because ObummerCare slaughtered the job market for younguns. OR their college loans crush them even if they get a job.

PS: sorry to hear about the ObummerCare hit on your family. Will the subsidies help?

[AliceH]

Somehow I missed this fact: "an estimated 27 percent of those who will be eligible for tax credits under the ACA do not have checking accounts. "

That's from an 11/8 WAPO story just full of horrifying back-end processing gore.

[Jack is Back!]

He did not want to be there neither did Moochelle. They disdain our exceptionalism and military. Never in the annals of our republic have we been led by such a person. He is a CINC who hates and has no use for anyone in a uniform of the armed service but relishes how they fly him and his family to every corner of the globe.

I know few Vets or active duty military that cannot stomach him and hold their noses in order to serve under him.

[narciso]

'Darnok at Tanagra,' is more logical then the innards of this whole 'Spring Surprise' from the Whizzo Chocolate Company.

[Bob]

They don't have bank accounts but many of them have income. Most think it is because they don't have enough income to have a bank account. That is true with some but it is also cultural. They do not trust banks, do not want traceable bank accounts, do not pay personal property taxes, do not register to vote, use their mothers address for a drivers license who claims she doesn't know where they are, request to be paid in cash, and want the government to leave them alone. They have no clue who they are dealing with.

[Threadkiller]

Last thing I want to do is go all conspiracy, Dave.

:-)

I just thought the audio sounded a little bizarre.

[Extraneus]

That on-topic NY Daily News piece by Michael Cohen is just too good not to re-link.

Behind Obama’s lie, our own immaturity

We can't handle the truth

In selling the health-care plan that bears his name, President Obama has, according to the fact-checking website Politifact, said at least 34 times that “if you like your health care plan, you can keep it.” That statement was not completely true, and it’s a lie that is today causing the President no end of political headaches.

Still, before we fully castigate the President for his rhetorical flights of fancy, it’s important to keep in mind that Obama was — to a large degree — telling Americans what they wanted to hear. In fact, he was giving them the type of comforting assurances they insist upon getting before backing any major policy change from Washington.

Or, as Ace put it, "You know you want it."

[Threadkiller]

It’s always about lying to coverup the Marxist agenda of destroying the middle class, redistributing wealth, and putting big government in control of our every move. Why the lies? We were taught at Columbia that “It’s for the greater good” and “We know what’s best for those people” and ”The ends justify the means.”

Obama learned well.

But the key to it all is to “boil the frog slowly.” We learned at Columbia to set the fire low, so the frog wouldn’t complain. By the time he realized what was happening, he’d be cooked.

That’s why every Obama speech starts and ends with “I’m here to save the middle class,” while his actions are annihilating them. He’s boiling the frog slowly. By the time the middle class realizes he’s the killer, and they’re the prey, they’ll already be dead.

The root (excuse the pun) of every Obama policy, everything Obama does, and everything happening to the U.S. economy, all started at Columbia. The entire Obama agenda to overwhelm the system, wipe out the middle class, bankrupt small business, and destroy capitalism, was hatched at Columbia. Obama may not have attended class, but he learned well.

He should have received the Karl Marx Award for “Student Most Likely to Destroy America.”

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/what-obama-and-i-learned-at-columbia-how-to-destroy-america-from-within/#

[Jack is Back!]

ICYMI, Palin slaps down NBC spin as Matt Lauer Hope People "forgive" President's ObamaCare Lies

[narciso]

No, that's not possible;

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/11/cant-the-white-house-rewrite-obamacares-regs-to-reinstate-canceled-plans-before-the-end-of-the-year/

they did with 'malice of forethought'

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

I see the biggest obstacle to complete decimation of the ACA to be the fact that this is Obama's 2nd term. Lots of people assume he could only have been re-elected if he was indeed credible.

Watching the panel tonite gives me more hope that it is going to collapse on its own weight.

[narciso]

There's another link there to Adam Clymer, reviewing the tarnished image of JFK in textbooks, which stems more from his incorrect stands, then his personal foibles.

[Extraneus]

Woman Tried To Wear Cheeseburger As Sandal After Having Sex In Waffle House Parking Lot, Police Say

"I guess that would speak to her level of intoxication," Assistant Chief of Police Dick Lowry told The Huffington Post.

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

If you can, watch the last 5 minutes of Special Report.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Narciso@6:50-- didn't Maduro just figure out a way to do this with the Caracas Best Buy store?

[Miss Marple]

The girl who does my hair doesn't have insurance. She's 26, healthy, and has paid cash for every doctor visit.

Her premium would be over $300 per month with a $5000 deductible. She never pays that much in any year.

So, her estimation is that they are going to ask her to continue to pay cash and hit her with a useless premium.

She is going with the penalty and not signing up.

I imagine there are a lot of young people doing the same thing.

[centralcal]

Jane is right - very emotional - I battled to hold back tears as I am still at the office.

[MarkO]

If I understand the law, which I doubt, a 27 year old could simply refuse to sign up now but sign up if and when he or she became seriously ill.

Meanwhile, ER visits are free.

Did I get this right?

[centralcal]

MM - I think I have told this story before (long time ago). My youngest daughter, done with school had just started a part-time job - no insurance. She was taken to the hospital one night in much pain, had with ruptured ovary and surgery. Hospital bill was in the thousands. She met with the hospital and they settled her bill at a few hundred, which she was able to pay off very quickly.

[Miss Marple]

MarkO,

Yes. And people that age are going to do just that.

As I said, my beautician has made the decision to take the penalty. She's 26.

[narciso]

Supposedly you can't sign up after March, but really who the hell knows,

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

It feels to me like The White House hasn't been this desperate since the summer of 1974.

[narciso]

Wait there's more,

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/11/possible-plan-b-for-obamacare-website-meltdown-tell-people-to-visit-individual-insurance-company-websites-instead/

of course, forget why we didn't do this initially.

[narciso]

In other news of connectivity gone wrong;

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/11/elderly-florida-couple-sues-moonbat-director-spike-lee-for-tweeting-out-their-home-address-claiming-george-zimmerman-lived-there/

[jimmyk]

From the WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/11/who-counts-as-an-obamacare-enrollee-the-obama-administration-settles-on-a-definition/

When the Obama administration releases health law enrollment figures later this week, though, it will use a more expansive definition. It will count people who have purchased a plan as well as those who have a plan sitting in their online shopping cart but have not yet paid.

If Amazon counted all the stuff sitting in people's carts as sales, they'd get prosecuted by the SEC for fraud.

[narciso]

Bialystok and Bloom applaud, if you're going to run a scam:

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/11/cover-oregon-the-greatest-farce-of-all-time/

[Account Deleted]

"Supposedly you can't sign up after March"

You can purchase a policy whenever you choose to. You face the tax if you wait past March, unless it's due to a "change of circumstance". I'm hazy on how pre-conditions are handled if you choose to purchase a plan outside of the standard enrollment period.

I believe everyone in the United States should follow President Barack Hussein Obama's example of truthfulness in dealing with the government and their lapdog insurers until he leaves office.

It would only be fair.

[Account Deleted]

"Supposedly you can't sign up after March"

You can purchase a policy whenever you choose to. You face the tax if you wait past March, unless it's due to a "change of circumstance". I'm hazy on how pre-conditions are handled if you choose to purchase a plan outside of the standard enrollment period.

I believe everyone in the United States should follow President Barack Hussein Obama's example of truthfulness in dealing with the government and their lapdog insurers until he leaves office.

It would only be fair.

[narciso]

Hell, lets be blunt, they are playing with fire.

[hrtshpdbox]

On CNBC this morning, Judd Gregg claims ACA was designed to fail, the quicker to achieve single payer:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101187368

[Jack is Back!]

Before I go outside on the terrace to read my book I am going to make a prediciton: 404Care will fail by year's end - not 2014 but 2013, I suspect that the WH is now working quietly with the Congress to find a way to either repeal or amend the law to make it more politically acceptable.

I also predict the Jacksonville jaguars will win the Super Bowl.

[Miss Marple]

Jack,

I hope you are right. I think that Congress would do that, and maybe even Secretary Cruella, but Obama, egged on by Jarrett? On Obama working to change it, am not so sure.

He probably thinks us ungrateful and stupid.

[narciso]

No he knows what he was doing, remember who ultimately put the plan together, science how does it work;

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2013/11/11/nyt-projects-severe-south-florida-ocean-flooding-based-no-data

[AliceH]

FYI, in 15 minutes (8pm ET)

Dakota Meyer ‏@Dakota_Meyer 2h

Don't forget! At 8:00pm est to join me in raising a glass in honor of all the Veterans out there who have served and who are still serving.

[MaryD]

Jack, from your thoughts to God's ears. But I fear that Obama's hubris is so out of control that the repeal can't happen

[AliceH]

This might be what cc and Jane were referring to re: last 5" of FoxNewsSR

http://welcomehomeblog.com/

Tears...

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

I've decided to relax. They are toast. The ACA needs me more than I need them. That is leverage.

[henry]

He probably thinks us ungrateful and stupid.

We thought that of him 5 years ago.

[narciso]

After today's appearance;

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/equationoftime/media/lauerWoodshed.jpg.html

[Beasts of England]

Extraneus@6:59 - Was she with Tiger?

[Extraneus]

There's no way they'd agree to repeal. They're this close to the holy grail.

[narciso]

This is the purpose of community organizing, something she may have naive about initially,

[AliceH]

To all vets at JOM, I raise my glass to you and thank you for your service.

[narciso]

Only if you weren't paying attention;

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/11/11/the-secret-obama/

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

Thanks for that link, Alice.

[Old Lurker]

Ain't gonna happen, JiB.

[Army of Davids]

Senate Democrats running away from ObamaCare

These clowns should be beat over the head again and again on this.

Hare I'll do my part. How many jobs were never created

[Army of Davids]

How many jobs were never created in Louisiana due to ZeroCare as Sen Landreau sold out her constituency?

[narciso]

By contrast Rand Paul did a pretty good job with Jorge Ramos, even mostly dispatched the plagiarism 'squirrel;

[Old Lurker]

Who in Congress or the WH is smart enough to even figure out how to unwind this mess, particularly if they all want political cover? They cannot name a post office much less get both sides to work together when this mess was all done by one side.

[Danube on iPad]

I can't even hazard a guess as to how this disastrous thing is going to come out. I feel pretty sure that some of the damage it has already done is irrepersble.

[Jack is Back!]

OL,

Watch. There is something brewing and that's my wild ass guess. If this website is not fixed by November they have put the faith and trust of a Democrat controlled government at risk forever with those they cater to each day.

Hang in there and watch the manipulations begin.

[Miss Marple]

Old Lurker,

The only thing I can think of is to pass something that says everyone is back to where they were in August of this year. Uncancel the policies, go back to the previous rates, etc.

Then have ANOTHER fight about what should be done. The GOP would have more clout after this fiasco, but whether the dems would go along with it I don't know.

And Obama wouldn't sign it. They would have to pass it with a veto-proof majority.

[jimmyk]

Hey DoT, how are you feeling?

[[email protected]]

Reading all of the comments on The Booman site reveals that 404Care has its cheerleaders--people solidly invested in the miracle of our government's takeover of healthcare.

They'll never convince me it won't be anything but a mess.

When we hear that the IRS is so incompetent that it has sent hundreds of tax refunds to one address in Serbia or some other sh*thole and, if one of us failed to pay our taxes or were late in doing so or figured our payment wrong, we'd be subject to paying interest, continued harassment or worse, as well as subject to fines or tax liens on our real estate, it sort of makes me cynical about the beauty of the government's new insurance.

This post is garbled grammatically, as well as intellectually, but liberals who love obamacare and our government continue to leave me pissed off and unable to articulate my thoughts correctly.

Bastards.

[Miss Marple]

IRS story:

I have to pay our taxes, both state and federal, quarterly. Our accountant gives us envelopes to mail with the checks.

So, when I filed this spring Indiana was supposed to refund $450, but I only got $50.

So I went to look for checks cashed in my bank account. I was getting ready to fuss at Indiana until I saw the copy of my check which had stamped across the front "US Treasury."

Apparently I had sent the Indiana check in the same envelope as the IRS check.

And they didn't return it, or send it to Indiana, or send me a notice. They just cashed it and kept that money for an entire year!

I would like to point out that if I received a check made out to someone else and cashed it and held the money for a year, I would be sitting in the penitentiary. It's called conversion.

[Jack is Back!]

DoT,

Nothing a good Martini can't take care of - just in case the Hydrocodon doesn't work:)

[narciso]

It is indeed a bizarro or bearded spock presidency;

http://m.nationalreview.com/corner/363682/obama-administration-ignores-facts-louisiana-voucher-program-jillian-kay-melchior

[Old Lurker]

I do know JiB has been around DC in that arena so he might be on to something, but I still don't see how all the moving parts can be put back.

[narciso]

So apparently the children of veterans are not covered under Obamacare,

[narciso]

They have set this things then more tripwires in the movie 'Speed'

[Miss Marple]

Good night, everyone!

[Account Deleted]

It would be rather foolish for the GOP to allow repeal without at least 20 Dem Senators and 80 Dem Representatives swearing a vow to overturn a veto. Why should Dems facing a November firing squad be allowed to use a vote for repeal to save their sorry asses?

[Old Lurker]

DoT! You live!

[Jack is Back!]

OL,

Just a gut feeling. Two things: 1) Issa on the march calling the CIO of the Wh and the WH saying he is too importatnt fixing the thng. and 2) the abandonment by the democrat Senators who are up for election in2014 plus a few others. Now here 2+2 doesn't equal 4 but it does give pause as to why ask the question to begin with if we all know the answer?

If they do not have a plan B, then they are betting the farm on Jeffrey Zients. Would you? No, I woiuld have a plan B and it better be more than a delay. It better ameliorate those who have been cancelled or raised premiums or increased co=pay or larger deducts because money talks and apologies walk.

Just my simple opinion. Hope I am wrong and Obama is stupid enough to stick with his trick monkey.

[MarkO]

Hydrocodone is glorified aspirin. Oxycodone, as in Percocet, should never be wasted by taking it only with water. A good merlot or a Martini will restore the soul and lift the DOOM.

[Jane on Ipad hi there NSA]

There is no way to go back. If you are sick, have a policy that has been cancelled, you can't pay an insurance company enough to reinstate that policy. Why would they? I don't think even Obama can dictate tat.

[Jack is Back!]

Jane,

No. But red state Inusrance commissions sure can and they will to keep the state that color.

MarkO,

I only wish after my knee operation my doc let me have Oxy but no I had to survive the pain on Martinis only.

[MarkO]

Let's hope the GOP doesn't go all squishy on a fix, leaving us with nationalized health care.

WWCD: What would Christie do? Do the opposite.

[MarkO]

JiB,

Some American doctors have such a puritanical view of pain management. I can see no reason for a patient to have pain. None. And, as you might guess, I have made my view known when I've had surgery.

[centralcal]

I think we are all in a helluva fix. I read somewhere today (while at work), that while BOzo and gang were royally effing up their computer systems, the insurance companies were not.

They were quite efficiently rewriting to meet BOzocare regulations and state regulations every state is different), reprogramming all their software, generating cancellation notices and new policies.

Doesn't seem ANYONE can just snap their fingers (BOzo or Congress) and put the genie back into the bottle the way it was - at least not anytime soon.

Doom!

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

Project Veritas - BREAKING NEW VIDEO: Obamacare navigators commit fraud, counsel applicants to "lie."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUsUWFANPS8

The fraud is just getting started....& it's all tied in with the Democrat Party.

[Account Deleted]

The problem is the parasite qualification aspect regarding direct payment of the subsidy to the fascists. BOzo can waive verification and go with an "honor system" (stop laughing, dammit) pending parasite status verification.

There is no problem whatsoever with non-parasite extortionate purchase via ehealthcare.

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

You are exactly right, [email protected].

[Jack is Back!]

Rick,

Can parasites know how to use computers to log in to 404 Care or are they dependent on SEIU and ACORN to interveiw them personally? Also, if you can sign up bogus voters why not bogus enrollees and phony up the rolls for PR purposes?

[hrtshpdbox]

Haha, MarkO, if combined with the Percocet, and seeking restorative effects, even a warm Schlitz is a better choice than tap water. Or so I have read.

[MarkO]

If I am to be cut open and parts rearranged, I want pain pills.

[narciso]

Well they are very tech savvy, which is probably one of the things that keeps them away in droves,

I remember when my mother had that mild procedure some years back, commenting about the paucity of suitable painkillers issued.

[Account Deleted]

JiB,

I believe verification is the same whether a parasite does a DIY or has Ms Jeantel as a guide. The fascist enablers at BlueGovIns will scream like banshees if verification is waived because they are on the hook for two months worth of insurance when Debbie Deadbeat skips paying but continues to use.

In fact, waiving verification would be justification for the fascists to withdraw.

I mentioned before - BOzocare is the Roach Motel California.

[Jack is Back!]

Its a DEA thing and no doc wants to have his taxes audited or his kids watched at school. Welcome to Liepizig, America.

[Danube on iPad]

The Percocet-Martini regimen is working quite blissfully thus far. Thanks again to all.

[Stephanie]

If I am to be cut open and parts rearranged, I want pain pills.

On my to do list for doctor consult... morphine drip. Best.Meds.Evah!

[MarkO]

DoT,

Hope you quickly heal up and hair over.

[Jack is Back!]

DoT,

Are you on crutches? If you have a dog does it bark when you're on them? My beagles went nuts when I had to use them one day.

Stephen Ross could run for POTUS with the blatant hallf-truths he told tonight. One of our JOMers should be concerned that one of his business efforts is called RSE:)

But Time Warner Center is a great place to get a nice bite to eat.

[Jack is Back!]

Nite all. Like to see the Bucs win one just for keeping the slates dirty.

[narciso]

Oh, he's gone full Major Renault,

[Beasts of England]

It's the opiates thread!

[daddy]

Hi JOM!

Here's 2 Short videos of the happiest 6 girls on the planet:

Day 2 in the South African Hominid Cave.

I'm enjoying watching how nutty and excited these science girls are about their archeological spelunking project. What a ball they appear to be having. The Aussie girl is a complete bubbly lunatic, as are all the rest of them, but their happiness is infectious and I'd sure love to be down their with 'em.

[narciso]

He either did know, or he should have known;

http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/11/dolphins-stephen-ross-jonathan-martin-richie-incognito/?section=si_latest

but you know they treat us like a piggyback, and then ask us to be grateful

[Sandy Daze]

Well, perhaps I am in the minority, but the emotional porn shown on special report is not for me, perhaps an acquired taste.
I receive it as a bit of voyeurism into a particularly special moment in a family's life, a moment that is personal to the participants. I have to look away. Maybe a still image, but the video, and the "set up" nature of it, it is a pure premeditated "get" -on the part of the videographers--and, to me, very distasteful.

YMMV.

[cathyf]

...morphine drip. Best.Meds.Evah!

Glad it worked that way for somebody. I will put a bullet through my brain before doing THAT again.

[Danube on iPad]

On crutches. The dog - the unmatched Golden named Fredo - just wants to give me comfort any way he can. I have rented two tricycle-like things that you knell on and propel with the other foot - one upstairs, one downstairs. I have dubbed them the Wheels of Life.

Nice to see that Dick Morris has been putting in the prescibed overtime with the ol' knife and fork. Dude has put on about 40 since we last saw him. A bloated toad of a man, and a pompous, bombastic asshole.

[narciso]

Maybe a reduced gluten diet, might help, he's halfway to Creosote.