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November 11, 2013

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NK(withnewsoftware)

JiB@10:03-- heh;

PS: thanks for the email with game day info. My daughter was excited to hear about gameday pasta-- she's tiny to begin with and claims to have lost 15 lbs this semester in Scotland.

James D.

I'd also bet that the shrinking % of abusive cops are are less selective now, and abuse more white and middle class victims. Just a guess, but pretty confident about that.

I think this is a part of it, but also the internet (and cell phone video, etc) is making these things more visible.

But I think there also is, unquestionably, more militarization of the police. Whatever you think of the War on Drugs or the police generally, it's difficult (for me at least) to think that there's any conceivable justification for literally 100X as many SWAT raids as there were 30 years ago. There are 80-100, every single day, in this country. I'm sorry, but that's madness. And it adds to the perception that police are not peace officers, and certainly not part of the general citizenry, but an occupying force. And that is a bad,and dangerous thing.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Navigators?-- how much $$$ will they get by selling personal data they ... ehr... collect from enrollees?

James D.

Thanks, Janet! I'm glad so many people responded and sent you books!

Just to pimp myself a bit, I'm going to be putting all 5 of the current books together in one "Kindle box set" for $7.99 (or something like that) for Christmas.

And I'll have the audiobook of book #3 out in 2 weeks or so.

And I'll have the audiobook of the short story, recorded by Doctor Who's Nicola Bryant, out before Christmas as well (I'm hoping to have the audio to listen to by tonight). The story is free as an ebook, by the way:

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/373068

And finally, I hope to have the next novel out by the end of the year, with luck.

OK, done with the pimping!

Beasts of England

@NK - Not sure about that, and now I'm curious. I've gotta pay a speeding ticket today at the lake, so I'll be able to check the Marshall County courthouse and report back.

NK(withnewsoftware)

JamesD@10:09-- agree with all of that. Personally I see the police abuse and militarization issues as separate-- for the moment. I think the militarization stems from the 80s crack craze when thugs and gangsters were blasting away --everywhere-- with 9mms and Uzis, and local cops were badly outgunned with their 6 shot service revolvers. Then was the shocking L.A. M-16/AK -- Body Armor shooters, and the LAPD had no ready response to that mayhem. Finally, the advancing technology of civilian .22 semi-auto rifles and the proliferation resulting from cost reductions was cited by cops to have tactical resources to respond to well armed shooters. Thus far, the militarization issue is an inchoate problem-- but it is a potential threat. Tactical military police power has to be dialed back-- especially amongst Federal agencies.

Account Deleted

Yahoo Finance has a Parasite Primer prominently displayed this morning. The author is a bit silly wrt managing IRA withdrawals to win your Parasite First Class badge. The only "trick" is calculating whether to go for one year or two years of subsidies by increasing the '13 drawdown.

jimmyk

where was the outrage on the Right when the NYPD cops reamed out the guy in the Bklyn Precinct House 15 years ago.

That is an unwarranted slur on "the right." Why are you making this into a left-right thing? There was outrage across the political spectrum over that incident, as there is for this. We've discussed here the fact that some on the right may be overly solicitous of police and authorities, but make a broad generalization out of that is ridiculous.

Danube on iPad

When I was a four-year-old kid in Annapolis my great-great aunt called the War of Northern Aggression, or simply The War. WW's I and II were "the two late unpleasntnesses."

Johnny Reb in Alexandria is still facing south.

Beasts, what is the story behind your moniker?

Sue

Has anyone thought to blame Bush for the typhoon?

jimmyk

Has anyone thought to blame Bush for the typhoon?

No, but this actor blames "fossil fuels."

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/hulk-actor-claims-oil-causes-typhoons/

Extraneus

Bush was an oil man.

Sue

Our county seat does not have a confederate soldier statue. Never has, as far as I know.

Sue

There you go Ex. Bush's fault.

Miss Marple

Quick stop to add this little blurb that showed up on Drudge:

Naderev "Yeb" Sano, representative for the Philippines at the UN Climate Change talks, broke down in tears as he addressed delegates in Warsaw.

Mr Sano, whose family is from Tacloban – one of the worst hit areas – announced that he was going on hunger strike until "a meaningful outcome is in sight". Representatives from 190 nations have gathered in Poland to try and thrash out a new pact to fight global warming.

"What my country is going through as a result of this extreme climate event is madness.

"We can fix this. We can stop this madness. Right now, right here," Mr Sano said, in a speech which received a standing ovation from his fellow delegates.
------------------------------

Lucky him. His starring moment.

Typhoons are not caused by climate change.

narciso

Err, Hulk smash, puny Ruffalo.

Beasts of England

DoT - Animal Farm. Great fairy tale, loved the song.

Extraneus

Naderev "Yeb" Sano, representative for the Philippines at the UN Climate Change talks, broke down in tears

Hey, maybe we should try that.

It just might work...

Miss Marple

Bill Clinton: "President should honor the commitment and let people keep their insurance plans."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bill-clinton-president-should-honor-commitment-and-let-people-keep-their-insurance-plans_766944.html

Bwahahahaha!

Ignatz

-- Finally, the advancing technology of civilian .22 semi-auto rifles --

I assume you're talking center fire .22s and AR 15 type rifles. The AR design is from the fifties and remains largely unchanged so I'm not too sure what advancement you're referring to.

Beasts of England

@MM - Who didn't know they'd try this line of insanity. Record low Atlantic Hurricane activity, tornadoes are, thankfully, non-existent across the states, yet they keep hawking this rubbish. These idiots can't be censured strongly enough.

Ignatz

--"Strange new off-white boxes popping up in downtown Seattle use wi-fi networks that can record the last 1,000 locations of a person using their cellphone’s MAC address...--

I read that as "strange new off-white boxers popping up in downtown Seattle...." and I was ready to start the revolution. I mean, TSA approved underwear now!?

Of course the real story is just about as bad.
Conservatives should already be ruing the day they let this Homeland Security genie out of the bottle.

peter

That Clinton quote is too funny. Nobody loves you when you're down and out--or a lame duck.

rse

Beasts-

It's an essential meme to get to that equitable growth.

I am hearing stories from all over the SE of Rep governors who get a whiff of the Corporatist/eco planning and devt angle of all this transformation and centering it in Governors and mayors offices and suddenly they cease to think of themselves as a Republican ideologically and begin to see it simply as a means to political power and access to the trough and all those federal funds.

We may know the OPM is running out but politicians do not seem to.

Threadkiller

From the previously posted link:

After a drug-sniffing dog indicated that she might have drugs, police strip-searched her and then allegedly assault her by sticking their fingers into her vagina.

When the on-site search failed to turn up any drugs, police took the woman to University Medical Center of El Paso. There, she was given an X-ray, cat scan and full body search. Medical personnel probed her anus and vagina, according to Schaur.“They then did a cavity search and they probed her vagina and her anus, they described in the medical records as bi-manual — two-handed,” she said in a statement. “Again, they found nothing.”

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/10/stop-the-madness-third-person-reports-being-anally-violated-by-police/

Memory lane:

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2013/02/great-moments-in-privacy-protection.html

rich@gmu

***We may know the OPM is running out but politicians do not seem to.***

They can always do what Venezuela has just done and nationalize all the stores. We have a president who thought he could control the seas, waving a magic wand to reduce prices would be child's play;)

rich@gmu

and with that off to class...

Buckeye

Bill and Hill are obviously going to distance themselves from ACA and any other Zero clusterf&%#.

Luckily she will play hell distancing herself from "at this point, what difference does it make?".

James D.

TK, your 11:07 makes me physically ill.

What amazes me most about this story is the restraint of the victims. They all seem to be following the law, following due process, getting lawyers - rather than getting hold of a rifle, driving up to the police station (or the hospital where they were violated) and just opening fire on anyone in uniform.

Who could honestly blame them if they did?

Beasts of England

@rse - The siren song of OPM corrupts across party lines, I agree. More push-back from the non-leftists, but it's a dangerous temptation. Even in my primary city of residence, where I'm friends with our mayor, I've witnessed his slow turning romance with the OPM trough. It's for the jobs and economic growth! Ugh. Myopia exacerbates the situation, as does the rationalization that other cities are doing it. A perverse opportunity cost if there ever was one.

MarkO

I blame all of us for not inciting serious civil disobedience.

Threadkiller

James, IIRC Dorner claimed that this type of mentality, within law-enforcement, is part of what drove him to the brink.

After he went nuts, look at the police state that was created to capture him.

Beasts of England

Nothing a little bleach won't take care of, Ig! lol

Threadkiller

My version of civil disobedience has been found to be tiresome.

NK(withnewsoftware)

JimmyK-- hardly a 'slur' to recount the pundit reaction to the NYPD anal rape-- the Right commentators called it a barbaric attack by a barbaric cop, and not a reflection of NYPD culture or behavior. The Left predictably called it part of 'Adolf' Giuliani's police state, an attack on 'people of color' sanctioned by Adilf G's hostility to 'the community' so the Left demanded a Federal civil rights 'monitor' the Right opposed that. As usual the Right was correct. So for the NYPD rape story the local and national reaction very much broke along Right-Left lines. Personally, I think it worse to say the Right only cares about abusive cops now because 'regular' people are being abused.

Sue

Someone should look up the definition of civil disobedience. I doubt annoying posters on a website would qualify.

Thomas Collins

It's all fine to demonstrate at the post-modern brunches (replete with no tobacco, cage free sparkling water and fruits and veggies grown by a Central Asian mystic at a local farm) how caring you are by pontificating about the necessity of policies that you think spend OPM. When you find out that OPM is YM, the organic kale doesn't taste so good anymore.

Jeff Dobbs

I am a little disappointed that the title for this post is not For Those Scoring At Home

NK(withnewsoftware)

Bill/Hill 'keep your insurance' opportunists? ones a pathological liar, the other willful and purposeful. The good news is that Hill's lying about ObummerCare will hurt her credibility with LiVs about Benghazi.

RSE- OPM? it IS running out, that is simple arithmatic. The Left's reaction is predictable-- they are grabbing what's left of OPM with both hands before it's gone.

Account Deleted

"look at the police state that was created to capture him"

Isn't it better to look at the actual efficacy of the security forces arrayed? The lesson I took from both Dorner and the Boston Cower in Place is that dressing up and playing Robocop may appear intimidating but it's actually just another illusion.

The illusion may be sufficient to intimidate a crowd but one well lead pack would reveal reality.

clarice

That old debbil math:http://www.michellesmirror.com/2013/11/octobers-official-numb-ers-caution.html#.UoJXauBbuRE

jimmyk

NK, you said "where was the outrage on the Right?" And now you say "Right commentators called it a barbaric attack by a barbaric cop, and not a reflection of NYPD culture or behavior." That's quite a change in the goalposts. So yeah, the first thing was still a slur.

Threadkiller

It gets a rise out of you, Sue.

Threadkiller
The Birther issue really drives Chris Matthews over the edge. He actually says Obama should form a gang to attack Birthers ignoring the fact he reported Obama has an Islamic background and was born in Indonesia.

http://youtu.be/Y0KmRwn2eX0

And:

http://www.birtherreport.com/2010/08/in-2007-on-msnbc-chris-old-school.html

NK(withnewsoftware)

Ignatz-- not sure what 'center fire' means, but the proliferation in the 80s of of .22s with 'pistol grips' higher capacity magazines, fast action triggers, adjustable stocks-- the indicia used in the Clinton AR ban, was cited by police for more military style weapons in order to not be outgunned by the fast firing .22 rifles. I believe the Clinton/Dem Congress passed 'block grant' swag for local police to more powerful weapons.

RickB-- interesting point about how the militarized police actually play out.

Sue

No, TK, it annoys me. And it isn't civil disobedience.

Threadkiller

I'll split it with you Rick. Having friends in Big Bear, and hearing the nitty gritty of the siege of their community, makes me think of a police state.

But watching the Keystone Cop approach validates your point as well.

Threadkiller

Then why do you provoke?

AliceH

I don't see how cops getting away with abusing prisoners is just as bad as cops getting a Judge, a DA, and a hospital to sign off on abusing a guy who had not even been charged.

There is a real difference between acts by "rogue cops" and acts that are just as abusive but which are declared legal and authorized. One's outrage ought to distinguish the two.

Jack is Back!

Bill Clinton: "President should honor the commitment and let people keep their insurance plans."

And this is why he made that quote: Left wants a challenger for HIllary

Afraid she'll start moving more toward the center:) Fauxchohantas featured.

Ignatz

NK,
Center fire 22s like the .223 Remington/5.56 NATO, .220 Swift, .22-250, etc are powerful rounds which regularly propel highly efficient bullets over 3000 feet per second, some over 4000. They are called 'center fire' because they have a replaceable primer (source of ignition) in the center of the base of the case as opposed to 22 rimfires which have a non replaceable primer ignited by a firing pin blow to the edge of the case.

All of those things cited by police are at least decades old.

bgates

Slavery was a grotesque symptom, but an overarching federal government was the grotesque disease.

Enslavement of Africans in North America preceded the federal government by over a hundred years, which makes your statement factually nonsensical besides being morally abhorrent. The Goddamn Confederates, including West Point-educated Jefferson Davis, managed to make fear of an overreaching federal government into a contemptible joke in the minds of most of the country for more than seven generations by using words like "liberty" and "states' rights" in defense of the worst aspect of American life, not to mention provoking the bloodiest and most futile war in the history of the Western Hemisphere. If you want to continue their legacy today, get yourself stopped by the police in New Mexico - but first jam a couple pounds of explosives and a map to an orphanage up your ass. Then you too can help the overarching federal government convince the public that there are worse things than the loss of the freedoms the government is trying to take away from us.

NK(withnewsoftware)

c'mon Jimmy you can't be serious. The discussion here is whether there is an immediate risk of a 'police state' that requires a wholesale rollback of the militarized and abusive and out of control police. The NYPD discussion fomented by the Left was whether RudyG had turned o NYPD into an abusive 'occupying' police state force 'in the community'. I think the Left was wrong then and the Right is wrong now. I do think that Federal cops are overly militarized in terms of firepower, and the Surveilance State is an immediate concern because of the technology available to snoopers. But the anal violation stories referenced in this thread are abusive cops, not a reflection of a police state IMO.

Threadkiller
"In cases where the criminalized behavior is pure speech, civil disobedience can consist simply of engaging in the forbidden speech."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

jimmyk

NK, see Alice's 11:52. There are important differences.

narciso

Doerner, ended up being a lying jackalope like the navy yard shooter. the model of our dystopia, is much like Brazil, where a squashed bug on a arrest form, turned Tuttle into Buttle,
or it might have been the other way around,

AliceH

It's not anal rape, but it's another example of oh-so perfectly legal but entirely wrong exercise of police power:

Mother arrested for letting kids play outside

NK(withnewsoftware)

The Civil War origins and ramifications resonate today. I still recall being shocked as a college junior coming to the realization that secession by the Confederate states was CONSTITUTIONAL. And having that conclusion reinforced by McPherson's battle cry of Freedom, while he left it as an open question. The tragedy of the Civil War was that Lincoln's goal --preservation of the Union-- and means --emancipation and total war-- were right and just, the result was that Federal might wins out over right. Lincoln was correct to believe that 'the Union' had to be preserved. I doubt he anticipated the consequences of doing so by total war and then Reconstruction.

narciso

They bury the reduction in chocolate ration deliveries, deep inside today's fishwrap, Pear may need an extra jolt of the shock collar.

AliceH

Forgot to add -- Police called the County DA before the arrest and he told them no problem - go ahead.

Col. Sanders

Richard Cohen;

"Today’s GOP is not racist, as Harry Belafonte alleged about the tea party, but it is deeply troubled — about the expansion of government, about immigration, about secularism, about the mainstreaming of what used to be the avant-garde

People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children.

(Should I mention that Bill de Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray, used to be a lesbian?) This family represents the cultural changes that have enveloped parts — but not all — of America. To cultural conservatives, this doesn’t look like their country at all."

NOT racist, or bigoted. It's about different VALUES. heh.

Beasts of England

@bgates - I understand that slavery predates our federal government, but it's expansion - and of course it was abhorrent - was the issue between the states and the role of the federal government. Not sure how or where I was being disingenuous.

Also not sure what warranted a suggestion to shove explosives up my ass. I'm just a big fan of liberty. Peace.

NK(withnewsoftware)

agreed jimmyk there are important differences and defining terms and looking at each incident's fact is vital. I agree, That reinforces why I made no slur against anyone or any philosophy.

Threadkiller

Dorner did say the LAPD is a "reactionary" force that tends to overreact.

A couple of paper-ladies might agree with that assessment.

narciso

the problem we have 70 subsequent years with the failure of laissez affaire, thanks to Plessy,


They still aggressively miss the point;

http://www.rightwingnews.com/interviews/a-right-wing-news-interview-with-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus/

NK(withnewsoftware)

BOE-- FWIW-- I did understand the issue you were raising about the distinction between abolition of the abhorent institution of slavery, and the effect of the Civil War destabilizing the Constitutional relationship amongst the sovereign states and the federal government. The Civil War was a big hit on the Founders' federalist balance IMO.

narciso

When Justice Fuller screwed up something so fundamentally, it makes one look askance at his other rulings.

NK(withnewsoftware)

is there a difference between politically 'reactionary' and 'overreacting' with regard to the nature and level of police force?

narciso

They actually pay people to be as pigheaded as Cohen, well to cover his other lawsuits.

cathyf

I think there is also a "donut hole" issue here. Insurance is about collecting small amounts from a large number of people so that you can pay large claims for a small number of people. That's the only way the math works. If you collect small amounts from a large number of people and pay small claims for a large number of people, then there won't be any money left to pay the large claims that the small number of people have.

The reason why Medicare Part D has the donut hole is because they needed they needed political support from the Free Stuff Army (Senior Division). But it is wasteful, immoral, evil -- Medicare Part D should have deductibles and co-pays, just like the classic model of insurance where the math WORKS. The vast mass of people who spend no more than tens of dollars per month on drugs should just pay out of pocket for that, because "insurance" for that makes no financial sense. Because there are so many more people on the front end before the donut hole, it has to be so big that it threatens the solvency of people who have more than minimal drug costs.

What keeps premiums down is that there is NO free stuff for anyone until AFTER they have spent some significant amount of their own out-of-pocket spending. This ensures prudent behavior from the people spending their own money, and the vast mass never make it to the deductible, and it's an even smaller group that makes it to the out-of-pocket maximum. That removes a HUGE fraction of the OPM problem.

But Obamacare loads "Free Stuff" into health plans in such a way that a HUGE number of people will spend the insurance premium money on the "free" stuff that they would never have consumed if they had to pay for it out of pocket and have it count towards their deductible.

The result is that if the "young invincibles" are actually taking advantage of all of the "free" stuff -- the annual physicals, the lab tests, contraception -- then all of their premium money is going to get spent on them, not to pay for the actual sick people.

Threadkiller

Did narciso just bring Wong Kim Ark into our congenial discussion?

:-)

Threadkiller

NK, I don't follow your question.

Ignatz

--Enslavement of Africans in North America preceded the federal government by over a hundred years, which makes your statement factually nonsensical besides being morally abhorrent.--

Not sure it's quite that cut and dried since the document establishing the federal government fairly explicitly recognized the institution of slavery and in essence approved it in order to ensure approval of the constitution.
And it's always well to remember the war didn't start because Lincoln or any other likely president was talking abolition in slave states. It began over blocking the expansion of slavery into US territories that were not yet states, so the status quo would probably have been acceptable for quite a long time absent secession.

It's possible to believe the states, which created the federal government, should have the right to withdraw from a contract they initiated with other states without approving of slavery or not regretting the negative consequences of the secession of the confederacy.

In fact a person who believes that can plausibly argue that had the south been allowed to secede peacefully, there would have been no war and slavery would have died the natural death it did across the western world.

Fact Check

1021 B.C. Beasts Of London 577 A.D.

Tribe of outcasts, deviants, thieves,
murderers and other unsavory types,
many of which were cannibals and homos
thought to be extinct 'til they showed up here.

Janet

"... What the hell did they expect for their lousy 35 cents - to live forever?"

narciso

I didn't know that procurement scandal had nabbed the head of naval intelligence, though they don't exactly explain how.

NK(withnewsoftware)

The LAPD cops blasting away at Dorner in an undisciplined and reckless manner is clearly evidence of overeacting. Is it also evidence that the LAPD is a politically reactionary organization?

Ignatz

--People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children.--

Richard Cohen should be kicked in the balls until he has to repress his gag reflex.
My views are about as "conventional" as they get.
My very black brother in law and his three biracial sons were selected by me to serve as my wife's pall bearers without the slightest thought as to their racial makeup.
Cohen is such a f***ing lowlife to say "they're not racists" (wink, wink) and then blow the dog whistle.

I despair that people can link or take seriously such overtly dishonest bullshit.

Gwyne to market

Yes. All slavery WW would have ended by 2010. Why didn't we just wait for it to happen naturally?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

narciso

Really, how about that;


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/12/bill-clinton-obama-should-keep-his-promise-about-keeping-your-plan-if-you-like-it/

AliceH

The diminution of our liberties by the Justice system (cops and courts) is systemic and metastasizing. The armoring up of our government (cops, Feds) is preparatory to defending further encroachment by overwhelming force.

Both indicate a government that fears its citizens. Examples abound of rogue cops, rogue judges, rogue prosecutors. What we are seeing now are cops, judges, prosecutors openly and legally abiding by the system to accomplish what before only the "rogues" tried to do - arbitrarily enforce punishment and penalties upon those they choose without regard to inalienable rights of innocent until proven guilty, and equality before the law.

The fact "rogues" exist neither supports nor undermines the evidence of a systemic and increasing encroachment of individual sovereignty by the forces of government.

narciso

Well it's a given he's a jackalope, who neatly doesn't address the Obacamare 'Bialystok' deal, or any other of the administration's scams.

Ignatz

--Yes. All slavery WW would have ended by 2010.--

I said "slavery would have died the natural death it did across the western world".

Your own link notes that slavery ended in the western world in the 1860s.
Facts are stubborn things.

James D.

NK, it's evidence that it's an out-of-control organization.

The cops who opened fire on a random truck that wasn't the same make, model or color as the one Dorner was reported to be driving, and which was occupied by two unarmed, middle-aged Hispanic women rather than one young, armed black man, should have been fired. And charged with anything and everything in the book that could remotely apply.

The officers who trained them should have been fired as well, along with their supervisor, and maybe his/her supervisor as well.

The fact that that hasn't happened tells me that the LAPD is still clearly out of control, and that as an organization it, and the larger government of LA, has utter contempt and disregard for the lives of the citizens they're supposed to serve, and who pay their salaries.

If there's another interpretation for what happened, I'm willing to listen.

Janet

I know, Ignatz. Ol' idiot Cohen should come to my church. He's probably pass out from his stupid ideas being debunked right then & there.

Janet

*He'd*

bgates

To cultural conservatives, this doesn’t look like their country at all.

Yeah, my country doesn't look like Bill de Blasio and Chirlane McCray. My country looks like Clarence and Virginia Thomas.

Thomas Collins
"People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children."

Pure unadulterated BS. The gag reflex comes from those who realize that, if de Blasio's leftist roots take hold in NYPD law enforcement, the criminal element will once again be on top in NYC. For those who approve of the crack cocaine and prostitution crowd taking control of NYC apartments (as they did with my aunt's Hell's Kitchen apartment house in those gloriously liberal eighties), this will be a feature of the de Blasio regime. For everyone else, whether they be straight, gay, lesbian, crooked, transgender, black white, purple, arty, farty, pinstripe suity, butcher, baker, peddler, candlestick maker, it will be a nightmare.

Beasts of England

NK@12:18 - Thanks!

NK(withnewsoftware)

The political protector of the abhorent and cruel institution of slavery was of course-- the Democrat Party. Had that party been abolished, abolition of the peculiar institution would have resulted quickly. Indeed a political party was formed to confront the evil Democrats and they adopted a platform of prohibition of the expansion of the cruel institution of slavery, and for the prompt voluntary abolition of slavery in the origianal slave states. That opponent of slavery was of course the Republican Party. The fundemental decency of the Republican Party and indecency of the Democrat Party continues to this day, with different manifestations, but the rotten core of the Democrats remains.

Beasts of England

Ignatz@12:27 - Per usual, I concur.

narciso

They really think this is an argument, the ones who carry it, are just coming for abuse.

narciso

Welcome to the Party pal;


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dem-rep-i-think-president-was-grossly-misleading-american-public_766938.html

NK(withnewsoftware)

RCohen-- a Leftist/Lib,so he suffers from mental illness. In this case, it manifests itself in the projection of his own hatreds, dreads and fears, on those who he disagrees with. Mentally ill is he.

But I'll bite-- who made an issue of his les wife and her genetics? Why that would be the hateful and abhorent Warren Wilhelm. He used his own so-called family as political props, and the Media-- and his so-called family-- ate it up. All of them mentallly ill Leftists.

Sue

Thank goodness Beasts of England isn't BoL.

bgates

Not sure how or where I was being disingenuous.

You called slavery a symptom and the federal government the disease. Diseases cause symptoms. The federal government did not cause slavery.

A disease is generally considered to be worse than its symptoms. The federal government is not and has never been worse than slavery.

Every time Jefferson Davis or the Confederacy is mentioned positively by a "friend of liberty", the defense of liberty becomes harder, permanent progressive rule becomes more likely, and a puppy dies.

Jack is Back!

What makes de Blasio such a threat to the stability of NYC post-Guiliani and even Bloomie is he is an activist. This is not a hands-off Dinkins redux but a guy, like Obama, with an agenda and he will apply every bit of Alinksky to get it.

Account Deleted

"If there's another interpretation for what happened, I'm willing to listen."

The illusion of highly disciplined security forces was dispelled by the behavior of an armed mob, so fearful they firing indiscriminately at unarmed innocents. It's precisely the same behavior exhibited by security forces in Boston who opened up on the boat in which T-Dog was hiding with great deleterious effect upon the boat and little upon T-dog.

A review of the security footage from the Walmarts where the Obama Freeshit Army flash mobs cleared the shelves suggests another viewpoint on the efficacy of intimidation by security forces. The contempt of potential consequences is very interesting. One might wonder if the POSAG has made himself a bit too obvious with his targeting.

daddy

Now that the champaign corks are popping in South Africa, (because of all the hominid bones the cave gals are discovering) wouldn't you know it that some weasel from Dook University shows up to take some credit and get a piece of the action.

Off to training. Ughh.

NK(withnewsoftware)

There's the philosophical and the practical reality. I agree with the BoE philospohical distinction between the abhorent institution and the Federal overreach which started during and as a result of the Civil War. But bgates is obviously right about the practical realities of using Jefferson Davis -- and oother Confederacy icons-- as an exemplar of liberty. That is a tactical mistake for conservatives-- always.

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