And Later Obama Will Blame The Evil Insurance Companies

The WaPo reports on problems with the back-end of PotemkinCare. Hey, people thought they had a whiz-bang experience at HealthCare.Fail and only later learned that none of their sign-up info was accurately transmitted to the insurance companies? Obama will blame the evil insurers and hope the falling of the political chips can be managed. I agree with Megan - this is just a battle for survival.

Comments

[narciso,]

what part of 'death panels' did you miss?

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

'Megan' is it now?... what is this some kind of Etno-Irish solidarity thing? 'Megan' lost me with 'as Ezra Klein notes...'

[MarkO]

Obama is just not that smart, and he's a liar, and a nasty little man.

Further affiant sayeth naught.

[narciso,]

He's like a slimmer version of 'Tommy Boy' Maduro,

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Obummer is to the USA what Coleman Young was to Detroit.

[narciso,]

He's trumpeting the wonderful tailoring of Dolci and Gabbani,

[cathyf]

Aren't insurance companies polling as more trustworthy than the president these days?

[pagar202]

Let me see if I understand this. Those who signed up may not be signed up. In order to be sure you are actually signed up one has to????????????????????????????????????????????
Nobody knows!

This is insane!
Remember the people that are responsible for this mess just invoked the Nuclear Option to make sure they get their way and no one is able to stop them.

[matt]

narciso, how sweet, you remembered!

The Ministry of Propaganda has dictated that there are no problems, so we won't be hearing it too many places.

"if you like your death panel, you can keep your death panel"

[narciso,]

Also the wonderful line of products by the shimmer brand of floor wax and dessert topping.

[jimmyk]

In order to be sure you are actually signed up one has to????

It's the underpants gnome once again.

1. Sign up at healthcare.com
2. ????
3. Healthcare Paradise!

[narciso,]

They call it 'carousel' jimmy.

[Comanche Voter]

Obamacare--or at least the website is the result of a botched late term abortion. Time to follow Obama's advice from his Illinois Senate days and simply let the poor little fetus expire on a hospital laundry room shelf.

[Ignatz]

--Further affiant sayeth naught.--

LOL, MarkO. What more is there to say?

[Ignatz]

Left you a response about mammograms at the end of the last thread, jimmy, in case you missed it.

[narciso,]

Or since we're on a science fiction theme, 'so say we all'

[Captain Hate]

Time to follow Obama's advice from his Illinois Senate days and simply let the poor little fetus expire on a hospital laundry room shelf.

Ah wouldn't wahn mah daughtah to be punished wid 404Care.

[jimmyk]

Yes, I saw it, iggy, thanks. There still seems to be a difference of opinion about it, as in here:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/29/report-suggests-sweeping-changes-to-cancer-detection-and-treatment/

or this guy, whoever he is:

http://wamc.org/post/sean-philpott-media-myths-about-mammography

It's often hard to separate out the sensible anti-treatment views from those that are really coming from the death panel collectivist mentality.

[narciso,]

That was a heck of a hire on Roger's part;

http://twitchy.com/2013/12/02/sally-kohn-healthcare-gov-is-better-than-best-buy-lib-idiocy-unintentionally-nutshelled/

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

The CR through 9/30-- Repub leaders cave-- a bit-- to getting DoD swag ($17B) to House appropriators and Repub $$$ donors, the cost $16B in useless 'domestic' spending for Dem cronies. Fees to increase, NO TAX increases or deuction limits-- deficit Neutral. Meh-- you want a rational budget, and ObummerCare defunded? go and win the Senate in '14 to control the Budget.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

The Budget link: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/03/budget-deal-on-the-horizon-or-not/

[clarice]

Given the utter lack of security and the inability to be certain you have had your information and application forwarded to the insurance company so you can meet the Jan1 eadline, isn't it time for class actions to halt this POS?

[Marlene]

Surprise! A judge just ruled that Uncle Omar can stay in the U.S. Howie Carr mentioned the President's uncle came here in 1963,student visa expired in 1970,so he's been illegal since then. Howie wonders why he Uncle Omar and Auntie Zeituni never get invited to the White House.

[Marlene]

oops,strike the *he* in the last sentence.

[Danube on iPad]

"go and win the Senate in '14 to control the Budget."

Doesn't the president have to sign it?

Sally Kohn made a single appearance on the Fox All-Stars and has never returned. A real True Believer.

[Captain Hate]

I just don't see what the problem is: http://minx.cc/?post=345420

“They said they implemented over 400 bug fixes,” he said. “When you recode the application to fix these 400 bugs—they were rushing this out of the door to get the site at least so it can work a little bit—you’re introducing more security flaws as you go along with it because you don’t even check that code.”

“I’m a little bit more skeptical now, and I would still definitely advise individuals to not use the website because it’s definitely something that I don’t believe is secure and neither did the four individuals that testified in front of Congress,” Kennedy said. “I think there’s some major security concerns there around privacy and information, and they haven’t even come close to being addressed, and won’t be in the short term.”

It gets worse, actually. The expert (a white-hat hacker) notes that the federal government is not required to inform users when their security has been compromised.

“States are required to notify in the event of a breach, the federal government is not,” he added. “So in the event that Healthcare.gov gets compromised and all their information gets taken out of it they don’t have to notify anybody.”

I think we can safely predict that Obama will hide this information from the victims of his site, as he's hidden all information from "Obamacare's losers" already.

[narciso,]

I know need must;

http://thefederalist.com/2013/12/03/taming-fury-rage-write-starring-slates-matt-yglesias/

[narciso,]

Maybe poor shorthand, but Taranto points out the response is even more maladroit;

"Of course, there's nothing controversial about celebrating a woman today who played a big role in the American civil-rights movement," writes National Journal's Matt Berman. "What is bothering some people today, though, is the suggestion that racism has been, you know, ended."

[narciso,]

I think they missed the point;

The Florida district, the sixth largest in the nation, was far from an outlier. In the past two decades, schools around the country have seen suspensions, expulsions and arrests for minor nonviolent offenses climb together with the number of police officers stationed at schools. The policy, called zero tolerance, first grew out of the war on drugs in the 1990s and became more aggressive in the wake of school shootings like the one at Columbine High School in Colorado.

[Danube on iPad]

This horrid man has just dropped below 40% on the RCP Average.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

IMO-- The world changes with a Repub Senate drawing up a budget with Ryan for Obummer veto. Pass a budget with popular s,pending priorities, based on ObukmerCare repeal and require Obummer to veto because he demands unpopular spending on ObummerCare and other redistribution. That's a great way to end the Obama-Era.

[Dave (in MA) (WTF Typepad)]

Marlene: "Technically it's not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts", Marsha Coakley

[Some Guy]

OT – Been away a bit, but thought I’d share something amusing.

On one of my flights I saw the film White House Down, in it Jamie Foxx plays the president, and by that I mean he plays a Hollywood version of Obama. The movie flopped, but the funny part is there is one particular scene where Foxx’s president apologies to someone. When he does his key dialogue in that scene is “that’s on me”, and when I heard it I just laughed out loud.

So the actor elected president, when he goes before the nation to pretend to apologize, cribs his dialogue from the other actor pretending to be president.

As MasterCard would say… Priceless!

[Jane]

Marlene,

I was more enraged at Auntee Zetuni taking the home of a disabled veteran -with no legs who has to reside on the 2nd floor of a dumb so she can be in the good free housing!

Deport all of them.

[Dave (in MA) (WTF Typepad)]

On one of my flights I saw the film White House Down, in it Jamie Foxx plays the president, and by that I mean he plays a Hollywood version of Obama. The movie flopped, but the funny part is there is one particular scene where Foxx’s president apologies to someone. When he does his key dialogue in that scene is “that’s on me”, and when I heard it I just laughed out loud.

1/2 hour into Olympus Has Fallen, the wife asks "So, where's Jamie Fox?".

[Ignatz]

Jed Babbin with a succinct article on what China is up to in the South China Sea and their contempt for their neighbors and our pivoting president.

[Danube on iPad]

The gantlet is thrown down:

"During a presentation at the White House in which President Barack Obama touted the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, the president declared that his signature health care reform law was not going to be repealed. This assertion led his administration members, his staff, and audience members to rise from their seats and give the president a standing ovation."

We shall see.

[Ignatz]

Paul Kengor with a study rich in repulsive irony as the nations second black president gives a presidential Medal of Freedom to the lamentable Marxist Gloria Steinham who then goes on to praise Margaret Sanger a basically insane eugenicist who sought to extirpate no small number of blacks, if not all of them, through government supplied birth control and abortion, Barry's own crusade as well.
Apparently nothing is too evil or sick for leftists, even honoring those who would destroy their own race.

[MarkO]

Don't worry, DoT; he lies about everything.

[Danube on iPad]

Gallup:

"Those who are familiar with the healthcare law are significantly more likely to oppose it than those who are not familiar with it. Among those familiar with the law, net approval is -19 percentage points, slightly more negative than is the case for the overall population. Those who are unfamiliar with the law are evenly divided, with 41% approving and 43% disapproving."

Seems there's a message in there somewhere.

[lyle]

Just so, Ig. Consider this statement:

Planned Parenthood is great because it kills mostly black babies.

Offensive, right? Racist beyond the pale, correct? Horrendously inhumane, huh? But isn't it the perfect precis of Sanger's beliefs? And, by association, every person who lauds PP?

[MaryD]

Note from the prior thread:

Jane at 1:41 -- thanks for the feedback. I see that c-span has the Judiciary committee hearing up for replay, and I will probably curl up and watch it tonight. What I did see of Jonathan Turley (!!) made my jaw drop, and the guy from Cato was pretty amazing too.

[MarkO]

Maybe there's a message. Of course, the redistribution of wealth intended by Obamacare favors those who, by disposition, might not ever be informed.

[Jane]

Turley blew my mind Mary, because he voted for Obama - as did 3 of the 4 speakers. Just make sure you have a book or something for the alternate 5 minutes as the democrats gave speeches and said ridiculous things.

We shall see.

My thought exactly.

[Jack is Back!]

I posted that Gallup poll earlier this AM on the other thread and what is revealing is the that number 1 group unfamiliar are the young who ironically are the group you need to sign up to make this turkey work financially.

[Danube on iPad]

"the redistribution of wealth intended by Obamacare favors those who, by disposition, might not ever be informed."

I'm not so sure. It redistributes from young to old, more than rich to poor.

[MaryD]

JiB, I was very apolitical as a young person, but it seems to me that was a time when we didn't have to constantly look over our shoulders to check out what the gooberment was doing to us. Perhaps I am being naive, like the frog in the slowly boiling water.

[Jack is Back!]

MaryD,

No you weren't. This is why they are targeting the young and healthy who haven't really been mugged by reality yet. However, this may be the youngest group of people to learn about reality muggings since WW2.

[Captain Hate]

the president declared that his signature health care reform law was not going to be repealed. This assertion led his administration members, his staff, and audience members to rise from their seats and give the president a standing ovation.

Donks running for re-election in November weren't available for comment.

[rse]

DOT-the rich to poor redistribution is what is going on at local levels in education and regional equity and all the honey pot public sector jobs and sticking it to the suburbs while creating inner city Promise Neighborhoods with womb to tomb dependency and manipulation.

[Ignatz]

Narcissists talk toughest and are most defiant when they're the most scared and sense the crumbling edge of defeat under their insecure tootsies.

When they perceive they are in control they appear quite genial and are apt to hand out many a doggy treat for the compliant.

[Extraneus]

Does Ignatz have a way with words or what?

[rse]

Holly-

this is being pushed today by the Aspen Task Force on Digital Learning. Jeb is an honorary chair.https://aspeninst.bsd.net/page/share/watch-this

[Ignatz]

I'm still waiting for confirmation that Bezos's proposal of helicopter drone delivery to be either a hoax or purely a publicity stunt.
He couldn't possibly have been serious, right?

[Ignatz]

Thanks Ex...I think.
Were you being sarcastic?

[Jack is Back!]

iggy,

Very serious. I think it is such a workable technolgoy that the government is really worried and will do what it can to support the Walmarts and other retailers out there. They are making sure distributed power from small nuclear reactor plants are a reality. Why not this? Technology is a threat to control believe me.

[Ignatz]

--Why not this?--

Cause lots of people own shotguns?

[Ignatz]

--Why not this?--

Cause Al Qaeda.com will start delivery via Amazon drone clone?

[Extraneus]

Never in your case, Ig. (Unless I'm lamely trying to be funny, which fortunately isn't the case at the moment.)

[Ignatz]

--Why not this?--

Cause the neighbors are still friendly presently?

[Account Deleted]

Does anyone here care whether the fascists at BlueGovIns get saddled with the blame when they fail to provide coverage in January? I don't. I hope their reputations go right in the gutter next to the President. If they don't like fleas, they shouldn't sleep with dogs.

[Extraneus]

Politico Magazine Offers Several Reasons Media Dropped The Ball on Vetting Obamacare, But Curiously Never Considers Pro-Obama Bias as a Factor

What the press delivered instead was mostly a conversation among policy wonks and Beltway political elites without letting in the people who would be most affected by the nostrums they were prescribing. The public was the victim of a messaging war, with much of the conversation shaped by spin and talking points. And as in all wars, truth is the first casualty. Americans needed clear, direct explanations, honesty, dot connection and a probe of the carefully crafted words that came to define the debate. Yes, there were plenty of fact-checkers keeping watch, but as press critic and political scientist Brendan Nyhan has pointed out, these services can fall short. Their one-the-one hand, on-the-other hand format often confuses more than illuminates. Against this backdrop, the backlash of the last few weeks was probably inevitable.

Ah yes, the fact checkers -- such as Politifact, who claimed it was "True" that "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan." To be precise, they claimed this was "Half True," but it was only not fully true because Obama couldn't force insurance companies to continue offering you the same plan.

Etc.

[Extraneus]

As far as Obamacare itself, they claimed it was "True" that the law did nothing to cancel your insurance, and exempted current policy-holders from having to go to the marketplace.

They have still not retracted this claim, instead preferring to imply it's still too complicated to offer a ready assessment about (both Republicans and Democrats are spinning this!), thus sparing them the pain of confessing error.

Etc.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

I think you're correct, Iggy; chances are a pack of Kools is getting rapidly oxidized now along with one of the Iranian rodent's magic elixirs.

[Danube on iPad]

I'm aware of all that redistribution, rse. I was referring omly to that occasioned by Obamacare.

[Extraneus]

American health care is what Yale professor emeritus Theodore Marmor calls a “patchwork system.” Because of the many “patches,” the best Obama could do without scrapping it entirely—a politically unviable option—was “weave them into a quilt.” As the president said on Nov. 14, in order to make things less disruptive “we tried to choose a way that built off the existing system.” And so the ACA was not wholesale reform or even a “sweeping” health care plan, as the New York Times misleadingly called the bill when it passed the House in November 2009. It was a modest, albeit complicated step to give insurance to as many as 30 million more people and reduce the number of uninsured Americans without resorting to a national health insurance system. As such, it is a crazy quilt indeed.

This was a "modest" step?

In any event, she claims here that the story was just too complicated to explain to the American public, suggesting that the fault lies with Americans' ability to comprehend the complicated system, and not so much with reporters.

Etc.

[Danube on iPad]

I just saw John Kerry blame Iran's centrifuge stockpile on Bush. Jesus wept.

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

No sympathy for the insurers who bet stupidly on Gaylord Focker, Rick. I hope at least some of the state commissions make any associated expenses unrecoverable from the policy holders.

[narciso,]

You see how the language has to be 'waterboarded' so it doesn't seem insane;

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/12/03/obama-launches-3-week-effort-to-tout-health-law/?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

[narciso,]

We'd prefer one where we're losing three quarters of a million per week;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/unbelievable-obama-were-better-country-than-one-where-14000-lose-health-insurance-each-day-video/

[willie]

Nice work 6:51. Shall we all bow in reverence to ThinkProgress and their pov as a reference?

When you do link to your enigmatic and perverted thoughts, you fail.

[narciso,]

There was some idiot piece in the Journal about Mark Pryor, saying because he's a Southern Baptist preacher, that should excuse his many foibles, category error,

[Jane]

I may be wrong, but I think the House is reviewing options to strip Obama of some of his usurped (unconstitutionally) power.

The first vote I expect is to give Congress standing to sue if they think the president has over-reached - which the dems would be stupid to table because option #2 is impeachment.

[boatbuilder]

For the record, Iggy--I see lots of potential problems with the drones, but I think the genii is out of the bottle. The automobile was dangerous, noisy, expensive, unreliable, scared the horses and alarmed the populace in the early days. Also--think of all the jobs for our videogaming youth controlling those suckers.
I'm probably going to have to get my dog into therapy, however.

[Extraneus]

Isn't it cute that the left media is trying to argue that they didn't know that Obama was lying?

It's not that they were too dumb to read the law. It's not that they believed the spin. It's not that they've been invested in the socialist medicine fantasy all along.

No.

It's that they were trying so hard to be neutral that they simply reported what each side said as a "he-said, she-said, but Republicans are lying" kinda non-judgmental story.

lol

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

I saw that in the dead tree, did a perfunctory WTF, and moved on.

[narciso,]

Lol, boatbuilder, that will be covered under Obamacare,

Dan Abrams are very busy, disassociating cause and effect;

http://www.mediaite.com/online/obamas-breaks-glass-on-chris-matthews-the-latest-in-a-string-of-panicky-decisions/

[Captain Hate on the iPhone]

That's great news, Jane; I'll leave off saying "about time" since waiting until his polling is in the toilet is a strategy of sorts.

[Danube on iPad]

"The first vote I expect is to give Congress standing to sue if they think the president has over-reached"

I don't believe they can decree standing by legislation. Anyway, it'll never get through the senate, and O would veto it if it did.

Our hopes must rest with 2014 and 2016. It won't be easy, but it's doable. And it should be fun.o

[willie]

Before Elba, Napoleon was beset by numerous military/political disasters which he fomented. When his generals complained of
hardship he replied; "send more cavalry' 'there is no more cavalry' was the reply.

Then 'Send more flags...' lol

This is the present state of the RNC

[Account Deleted]

CH,

It will be interesting to watch Tea Party candidates hand a chunk of responsibility to BlueGovIns in '14. It's also going to be interesting to see which Tea Party candidate is first to accent repudiation of IRS fines as part of the repeal bill. Repudiation of the fines is a logical step and would be helpful with the 18-29s who are receiving a very practical education about feel good progressive drivel.

[narciso,]

they still don't pay them, do they:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03/obamacare-urban-areas_n_4378531.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

[Extraneus]

Now that the website seems to be more or less working, will the media move on to the next political food fight, or will journalists do a better job explaining to consumers how they can actually use it?

Etc.

[narciso,]

ruh roh;

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/03/3795128/charlie-crists-new-campaign-manager.html

they probably stiffed him with the check;

[narciso,]

I don't understand why they didn't limit permissions on the wider network

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/12/the-guardian-has-published-just-one-percent-of-snowden-leak/

[narciso,]

Actually it's more like 0.02 percent of the total;

http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-they-want-us-to-think-50k-simultaneous-users-on-a-600m-dollar-website-is-a-great-achievement/

[Captain Hate]

they probably stiffed him with the check

He probably found working with DeBlasio a walk in the park compared to Cheeto. And he had differences with Mrs Cheeto? That can't be good.

[Captain Hate]

Welcome to the party, Peggy: http://minx.cc/?post=345424

[Jane]

I ultimately agree DOT, but based on today's hearing, the natives are indeed getting restless. A third route would be a person with standing to sue - altho that would of course be a very narrow issue and take forever.

[string/brane]

BTW; Avarice doesn't make the Insurance Industry evil.

They, like Nature, don't pay any attention to the sacrificial lambs.

They are indifferent to suffering or death, unless it's their own.

They are not evil. They're just Human.

[Danube on iPad]

"A third route would be a person with standing to sue - altho that would of course be a very narrow issue and take forever."

I think the framers never really contemplated such wholesale acts of petty bad faith. They provided the blunderbuss of impeachment for extreme cases, knowing that it would almost never be done. It never has.

[Danube on iPad]

"They are not evil. They're just Human."

Happily, unlike those very Human politicians, they can't force anyone to do anything on pain of imprisonment. Theymust offer a product that pleases the great majority of their customers, or go out of business. Until now.

[narciso,]

It really is striking how timely the Great Upheaval is, it would make for a great World History Text,

[Account Deleted]

will journalists do a better job explaining to consumers how they can actually use it?

Politico might consider reading Noonan's post about the White House babblefest and consider it a mirror. They can all pass the feather around the beer bong as if they were in a seminar mislead by Dana Gilbert Ward at Pitzer College but failure to recognize BOzo's health care target audience sports an average IQ <90 suggests juicebox journos could peck and drool 24/7/365 "explaining how to use it" without ever even rippling the pond.

[Captain Hate]

DoT, I don't think the Founders ever thought the nation would elect an unserious doofus like the JEF; if they had they'd have probably torn the workpapers up and gone home.

[narciso,]

Well it occurred to Franklin, this is why they instituted checks and balances, Hamilton it occurs to me, was probably too sanguine about centralized power,

[Captain Hate]

Are you reading it now, narc?

[Jack is Back!]

DoT,

Civilization was civil back then. Gentlemen's agreements and all that. Today you have fewer gentlemen and even fewer agreements. And as you and I know it's effected our military, the last bastion of honor, duty, country.

DOOM

[narciso,]

Yes, I am, even Schama didn't really capture the full panoply of the French Revolution, there were scenes in there reminiscent of
the Khmer Rouge's rampage,

[Captain Hate]

I'm glad you're enjoying it. I found Winik's prose superior to Schama's, to whom he was very deferential as a source. I think by concentrating on the three countries and the intersecting currents, he created a Bloodlands way of understanding things which couldn't exist in scrutinizing the components separately.