Ironic Genius At The WSJ

Peggy Noonan has a long rumnination on the basic competence of team Obama, noting that, like their boss, they have some experience and skill at communicating but not executing, and who could have seen that coming?

But the comic twist is this - rather than end the column at its conclusion, the web jockeys repeat the whole thing. Repeatring ideas for emphasis is a valuable rhetorical device, but this seems excessive, not to mention a valuable waste of pixels. One migh hope that a column on someone else's competence would be competently delivered, but the holidays are approaching and the B-team is taking over.

There is a conclusion, or at least an ending, in the middle there somewhere...

Comments

[MarkO]

Obama's just not that smart, and he's a liar.

[Stephanie]

In recent weeks?

Progs don't measure progress as metrics that can determinee success of their programs. They just use those programs to step up to their next perceived 'abuse' that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately they chose one area where each citizen can measure the results for themselves and find the progress wanting. When you stick to the unseen lower classes (where you can just declare 'success' without too much measuring going on by the middle class), you can sell that stuff to the foolish dogooders in the middle and upper middle class, when you decide to mess with the middle class and upper middle class, you see the howls. They expect results and feel it immediately. And abandon you in droves. Sux to be you.

[too much pay for the work]

" “Hey, what do we know about the sign language guy—any chance he’s a mentally ill criminal?”

The overarching concern for Obama's safety is touching, or is this just wishful thinking not going your way?

[2Jack is Back4!]

The most successful business executives are those who know how to manage change. Not just the day to day operations but to have a vision on where their product or enterprise is going 2 to 5 years down the road and have the contingencies in place to deal with change.

Back in the day, I had an Executive VP I worked with who had come to us from McKinsey. He gave us a presentation at one of our leadership retreats in which he noted that over 40% of businesses that fail do so because they didn't accept the need to change but stood stubbornly to their founding concepts while around them the world passed by.

Here you have a failed enterprise - the Obama administration - from Afghanistan's "good war", to F&F, to NSA, to IRS, to ObamaCare and they stubbornly resist changing based on poor performance. Instead, they dig their heels in, keep incompetency in place and order in a guy like Podesta to barricade Congress and keep on trucking with the same failed leadership.

[Account Deleted]

Stephanie,

Taranto points to the fact even the stated "market", the uninsured, rejects BOzocare. The entire illusion is derived from Census supplied "metrics" which completely neglect the proposition the decision not to purchase insurance can be a purely voluntary and rational economic choice.

Paul is rejecting the money stolen from Peter and looking to hang the thieves responsible for the theft. Peter is all for it as well.

[Comanche Voter]

Jeez Louise, I thought I'd screwed up and somehow was once again reading the thing. Glad to know that I was not the doofus---that the boys at the WSJ blog--who are usually pretty good-- were the screw-ups and I was simply the screwee.

But then being the screwee is pretty much SOP for middle class folks under the regime of Good King Obama. Of course I live out on the West Coast so I'm not one of those pinhead writers in NYC who discover that they've been had and then write long wails to the effect that, "I was one of the Obama people and this wasn't supposed to happen to me."

My TS chit will be in the mail to the writer of that sentence.

[Neo]

That temptation to over-use "cut-n-paste" is a powerful one.

[Frau Lakritz]

Christmas cheer from Pres. Screwge

[Threadkiller]

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[peter]

yes I am, Rick

[Threadkiller]

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[Captain Hate]

The entire Secret Service needs to be shitcanned for being whorehounds and letting the JEF be put in a potentially dangerous situation.

Speaking of the WSJ, as narc pointed out yesterday I've still yet to see any mention of the religious freedom lawsuit against 404Care moving forward. Plus I heard somewhere yesterday that Rupert is either getting divorced or it's already happened; I remember his Asian spitfire wife trying to attack somebody who was threatening him in a trial. Love like that is hard to find, Rupert. Idiot.

[James D.]

Here you have a failed enterprise - the Obama administration - from Afghanistan's "good war", to F&F, to NSA, to IRS, to ObamaCare and they stubbornly resist changing based on poor performance. Instead, they dig their heels in, keep incompetency in place and order in a guy like Podesta to barricade Congress and keep on trucking with the same failed leadership.

They don't see any of these things AS failures, though.

How was F & F a failure for the administration, ultimately? A bunch of people in another country died, and they didn't get the gun control breakthrough they wanted, sure. But nobody lost their job, and the vast majority of the American public didn't care.

How is the IRS corruption a failure? It succeeded completely. They used the IRS to delay and harass and intimidate conservative groups and voters, in aid of Zero's re-election effort. It worked exactly as planned. And for all the jokes and the couple of people who were forced to resign with full pensions, have there been any serious consequences to anyone in the administration? Do you honestly expect there to be?

And on, and on. This administration has succeeded in it's goals: keeping Obama in power, getting as many like-minded people burrowed in throughout the government, stirring up division and resentment among the populace, damaging the traditional underpinnings of our society to make way for Obama's grand transformative plans.

And from Noonan's article, it's clear that she doesn't have a problem with any of that - it's only that they're not doing it efficiently enough. And it's equally clear that she'd like nothing more than a reason to believe again, to get that 2008 thrill and belief in Hope and Change back.

She's an embarrassment, and, frankly, she can go straight to hell.

[2Jack is Back4!]

Test

[2Jack is Back4!]

CH,

It wasn't a trial but a MP's hearing into the UK phone hacking by Rupert's papers. Wendi Deng grabbed the guy and pushed him away. He had a shaving cream pie. They are now divorced.

[2Jack is Back4!]

JamesD,

True all you say but look at 2010 - he lost his friendly House. And now his poll numbers are showing more of the same in 2014. To me its a defective product and failed leadership. I don't want what he is selling. Neither do over 56% of the country today. That's business management failure - no business could survive with those kind of negatives from their client/customer base.

It may not be failure to him and his regime but it is to the rest of us.

[Captain Hate]

That was indeed the occasion, JiB; thanks for the recollection. I hope she fleeced Rupert.

[Ignatz]

--The overarching concern for Obama's safety is touching, or is this just wishful thinking not going your way?--

That's rather rich coming from that part of the spectrum which daily wished disease, pestilence and death through various means on W, Cheney, etal.

[Buckeye]

Nearly 40 years ago a older co-worker used to rant about the country going to hell in a hand basket at the hands of the "twisted little queers".

Being a modern, open minded type of person, I discounted what he said as being a bit beyond the pale. Certainly wasn't "enlightened".

Looking at the twerp in the plaid pajamas, I am beginning to think maybe he was on to something:)

[sbwaters]

Long an advocate for good government, what is playing out in Washington is so bad I'd settle just for government.

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

Amen, James D!!!

[Ignatz]

First, Valerie, Barry, Nasty, Brutish and Short's job performance has nothing to do with inexperience.
They've been on the job for five years now. If they were going to benefit from experience they already would have long ago.

Second, it has little to do with competency. A bloated bureaucracy is always largely incompetent, or at least functions as though it is.

The problem is ideology. What they are trying to do cannot be made to work, either through experience or competency.
Their unpleasant surprise at stepping on the innumerable landmines they have set for themselves is because their ideology does not conform to the real world and they're repeatedly shocked and awed by just how stubborn facts and reality are, but not sufficiently to change their True Believer minds.

[jimmyk]

Was there any discussion of this piece here?

Of Jane Fonda and Pope Francis

I believe it's available through the paywall. It touches on two recent discussions, one on the Pope, the other on kaka's preposterous assertion that conservatives care only for themselves. Good to see a tiny bit of lib hypocrisy called out.

[James D.]

JiB, it's failure by any rational measure, I agree. It's definitely failure in terms of anything good for the country or its people.

But that's not what Obama and his inner circle care about. Job one was re-election. They won.

Job two is getting as many Obama-ites into positions of lifetime appointment, or bureaucratic niches that it will be near-impossible to remove them from. That's well underway, and Harry Reid has helped that along with the nuclear option. Again, they won.

Obama gets to fly around on AF1, he gets to command the attention of the press whenever he feels like yammering on about something, he gets to golf whenever he likes, wherever he likes, he gets all the perks. So what if his polls are in the 30's. So what if the Dems lose the Senate. He's been ignoring Congress whenever they don't give him what he wants anyway, so what difference will it really make?

Short of ten million people marching onto the National Mall demanding his ouster, or a "Seven Days in May"-type action by the military, he can do whatever the heck he wants until January 20, 2017.

And the odds of either of those things happening are pretty much zero, so, yes, from the inside, this IS a wildly successful administration, and will continue to be so.

Sure, the health care system is being wrecked, the middle class is being hollowed out, the military is being slowly but surely degraded, the education system is a sick joke and will only get worse, etc. etc. etc.

But how does that impact Obama, or ValJar, or the rest of the inner circle? It doesn't, not one bit.

[Beasts of England]

Someone yesterday, David Burge I think, mentioned the demise of Goverment propaganda. I'm sure he was thinking of the Twinkie in the plaid shirt.

[Jane]

OT: I think Henry's Dad's Memorial Service is today, so keep him in your thoughts.

[matt]

Just in the news today was the Indian government's outrage over the NYPD arrest of a sub-consul general and incarceration. One of the Indian politicians was suggesting that their government arrest the "companions" of various U.S. officials in India for homosexuality, which was recently declared a crime by the Supreme over there.

My point is that the Left does not give a whit about whether they offend, or whether they break to law, or whether they arrogate power. It is only the holding and wielding of power they crave.

Was Russia efficient? Is China's government? Cuba? Bueller?... Bueller?

Leftism is about the nomenklatura and the private stores and the cronyism.

[Beasts of England]

Well, crap. Two Mega Ball winners. God would have been perfectly happy with me having half of the $636M. Especially the NPV after taxes. Crap.

[Jim Miller]

Having put up a post twice last night, I can't criticize Noonan too harshly for making essentially the same double-paste mistake.

(The post, if you are curious, is about a hilarious line in a Seattle Times editorial.)

But we all make mistakes. For example, a spell checker might have helped our host catch that "migh".

On the Murdoch marital problems: I saw gossip -- and I have not the slightest idea whether there is any truth to it -- that he was unhappy about her close relationship with Tony Blair.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Buckeye-- sooner or later all serious people turn into those old cranks they met 40 years ago, and/or their own parents. T'is called growing up. Wisdom for most of us comes primarily with life experience.

[James D.]

OT, since we were talking about Peter O'Toole the other day...

TCM is airing the interview with him from their 2011 classic film festival next Sunday (December 29th) at midnight (technically Monday morning, I guess).

They're showing "Lawrence of Arabia" before that, at 8 PM Sunday, and then "My Favorite Year" and "Goodbye Mr. Chips" after the interview in the wee hours of Monday morning.

And prior to "Lawrence", they're doing a tribute to Joan Fontaine all day Sunday with seven of her movies.

[Frau Lotterie]

Beasts - that is not just a shirt. The jolly fellow in Pres. Screwge's propaganda is wearing his plaid jammies while drinking hot cocoa.

And... sorry about your loss in the Mega Ball lottery. That does *not* make you a loser,

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

JamesD thanks for the heads up. I personally preferred the Charlie Rose interviews of O'Toole, but he tells many of the same stoies to TCM, and those interviews were more recent. My Favorite Year-- funny and touching movie. Best line for me is the O'Toole character recoiling when he learns it's a live TV show, and when told he'd be fine because he's a world famous 'actor', O'Toole shouts: "I'm not an actor!!!.... I'm a movie star!!!!"

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

The Jammie Wearing fairy just about sums up what's wrong with the world.

[Captain Hate]

Just in the news today was the Indian government's outrage over the NYPD arrest of a sub-consul general and incarceration.

She was arrested outside of her daughter's school, subjected to multiple cavity searches and spent time in a holding cell with drug addicts. The entire State department needs a cavity search for this outrage to one of our few unconditional friends in that area. Civilized countries shouldn't behave this way. What a disgrace.

[peter]

I just wanted to say that had I won the mega lottery, I would have bought all my fellow JOMers gifts.

[Jane]

So what would you have gotten me Peter?

[James D.]

Meanwhile, per Instapundit, the NY Times editorial page is apparently having a debate over the merits of polygamy (I'm keeping to my resolution of refusing to read the NYT anymore, so I can't say whether they come out for, or against, but I've got a guess...)

[Jane]

Jim Miller,

I really like your blog. I forget to read it most of the time, but when I do, I like it.

[Captain Hate]

The JEF is the product of polygamy so I'd imagine Carlos Slim's dancing chimps don't throw poo at it.

[Jane]

Does Obama now get to decide who goes to the Olympics?

[Jane]

Nevermind. The delegation is not the athletes. My gawd Obama, equality does not come from you singling out someone for her differences. Grow up.

[James D.]

Oh, and more "smart diplomacy":

The arrest of an Indian diplomat amid claims she had lied on a visa form for her domestic worker has turned into a major row between Washington and Delhi with India’s national security adviser calling her treatment “despicable and barbaric”.

India on Tuesday summoned the US ambassador and announced that it was withdrawing a series of diplomatic privileges to US officials. It also reopened a road that runs past the US embassy in Delhi but which for several years has been blocked off for security reasons. Several Indian officials declined to meet with members of a visiting US delegation.

India is an important ally in the most dangerous corner of the world. Clearly arresting a diplomat (right outside her daughter's school), strip-searching her and throwing her in a cell with drug addicts and street criminals, is a wonderful way to enhance our ties and strengthen our relationship with India.

Is there anyone in the federal government with the common sense that God gave your average squirrel?

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

The Bath House Barry gay Olympic stuff and hiring John Pederasta is further proof that Obummer has gone FULL PROG for 2014. He probably believes we are on the verge of a Prog Nation based on deBlasio winning in NYC. This is part of the Obamaniac-Clintonista Civil War. of course they are all Progs by our standards, but the Clintonistas and the Obamaniacs differ sharply on who their peeps and cronies are. I still think the Obamaniacs will win the Prog Civil war-- the Clintonistas are Old and Rich, I never favor those odds in a street fight.

[peter]

and, why, pray tell, with the millions of illegals openly about, would they care about one domestic worker not having her papers

[peter]

Jane at 2:38, a Prius with an Obama sticker on it?

[Captain Hate]

I think India needs to search that enormous lantern jaw of Jean Fraud Kerrie because whatever caused it to grow to gargantuan proportions is obviously making him talk like an effing idiot.

[2Jack is Back4!]

Christie without a "onesie" but a cute apron:

[clarice]

Exactly Capt Hate. Charge her and expel her. From top to bottom DoS is staffed with morons.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

I'm far less sympathetic to the Indian Diplo. Know what her job was in NYC?

[Captain Hate]

Dear God. Tammy Bruce from last night played a "rap" by somebody officially promoting 404Care that might be the most embarrassingly lame thing I've ever heard. God knows what young people think of this but I can guarantee it's not positive.

[James D.]

Hey, CH, I didn't see your post when I posted mine about the India debacle. Great minds think alike, or a broken clock is right twice a day?

[Ignatz]

Presuming the gal had no immunity it still boggles the mind they wouldn't act with some sensitivity to the fact she is the representative of a key ally.
How's about a quiet behind the scenes deal with the Indian government?

[Captain Hate]

I'm far less sympathetic to the Indian Diplo. Know what her job was in NYC?

Deputy consul general for political, economic, commercial and women's affairs at the Indian Consulate. WTF, NK?

[James D.]

NK, to me it's not about sympathy for the diplomat (although cavity searches etc for non-violent crimes are a disgusting and totally barbaric practice in any case) as an individual.

The issue is, she IS a diplomat. Whatever she's accused of, whatever she's like personally, whatever he job is, she is an official representative of a foreign power (and one that is, or at least ought to be, very important to us). How she's treated matters.

It also impacts how our diplomats may be treated, not only in India, but elsewhere in the world.

And the Department of State, of all people, ought to understand that.

[Captain Hate]

According to Rupert's Gazette, some dimwit State spokeshag, Marie Harf, is acting like it's no big whoop. Maybe Ms Barf wouldn't be so cavalier if she got a high colonic and a cooter probe.

[jimmyk]

I'm far less sympathetic to the Indian Diplo.

The strip/cavity search seems excessive to me for someone not under suspicion of drug trafficking or violent crime. And if it's "standard procedure" as claimed, then there is a problem with standard procedure.

Then there's Kerry: "As a father of two daughters about the same age as Devyani Khobragade, the Secretary empathizes with the sensitivities we are hearing from India about the events that unfolded after Ms. Khobragade's arrest...." Why does he, like the JEF, have to bring himself into it? Is he saying that if he didn't have two daughters around her age that he wouldn't be able to empathize?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/politics/india-us-diplomat/

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

She was India's rep to a UN 'Commission' attacking slave like working conditions for transnational-immigrant women workers. Obviously she has no sense of irony.

My lack of sympathy for her aside, obviously the Obamaniacs screwed the pooch here-- she should have been indicted, then the charges forwarded to the Indian Foreign Ministry, with the request that she be recalled immediately. If she weren't, then declare her persona non grata, drive her to the airport and ship her home on a big plane.

[rse]

Not just shaking a Castro hand, http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2013/12/obama-poses-for-picture-with-hezbullah.html

There really seem to be no boundaries

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Castro, Maduro, the Mullahs, Hezbollah-- those are Obummer's peeps, his blood.

[lyle]

Boundaries, rse? Despots, tyrants, commies, socialists are the flame to the JEF moth.

[Ignatz]

Considering Barry's relatives living off the fatheads of the land here in the good ol' USA I would have to say it might be the state department lacking the sense of irony.

[jimmyk]

Hey, what does the Georgia chapter of JOM have to say about this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/atlanta-tea-party-plans-sue-block-construction-braves-181717773--mlb.html

Sounds good to me--there's no excuse for taxpayer funded stadiums, even when they use the little shell game ruse of "no new taxes."

[Stephanie]

Sonovabitch... I used to work in the building that the Georgia ticket was sold in and used to buy my morning coke and muffin there. Sonovabitch! I coulda beena weena.

I would have been very generous with my winnings with my friends. ;)

We would have all been famous. One weekly TV show at a time. NR would have been able to fully sell out their cruise. Oh well.

Wait'll next week. Same JOM time, same JOM channel. ;)

[Danube on iPad]

"That's rather rich coming from that part of the spectrum ..."

It's coming from Dana, who is seriously ill.

[Jim Miller]

Jane - Thanks much. I'm glad you like my little site.

[Threadkiller]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/17/troubling-federal-judge-orders-obama-admin-to-disclose-document-its-been-trying-to-keep-hidden/

[jimmyk]

Incidentally, re my 3:32, I have no idea if the TP lawsuit has any legal basis, but I just like the idea of trying to stop such boondoggles by any means possible.

[henry]

Jane, thanks for remembering. Fine Memorial Meeting, lots of family. Valley Meeting was celebrating 300 years as a Friends Meeting House.

[Beasts of England]

Thanks, Frau! I was getting kinda down on myself! ;)

[Beasts of England]

Maybe Ms Barf wouldn't be so cavalier if she got a high colonic and a cooter probe.

You use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore, Capt. Hate.

[Jane]

Jane at 2:38, a Prius with an Obama sticker on it?

Peter,

LOLOLOL Nevermind!

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

JimmyK-- the stadium financing-- that's our old friend Kelo.

[jimmyk]

TK's 3:45 seems like a solid slap to the face of the JEF's 'most transparent administration evah!'

Buried in the comments is a nice list of this administration's scandals. Excuse the length (doesn't that tell you something?), but I can't really link it.

1. IRS targets Obama’s enemies
2. Benghazi
3. Keeping an eye on The Associated Press: re A/P reporters’ phone records
4. Rosengate: re DOJ suggesting Fox News James Rosen is a criminal
5. Potential Holder perjury I: Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress he had never been associated with “potential prosecution” of a journalist for perjury
6. Fast and Furious
7. Potential Holder perjury II: Holder tells Congress-May 2011-that he had just recently heard about the Fast and Furious
8. Sebelius demands payment: HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate
9. The Pigford scandal: Ag Dept compensate black farmers discriminated against by the agency but evolved into a gravy train delivering several billions
10. GSA gone wild: 2010 $823k training conference in Las Vegas
11. Veterans Affairs Disney World wasted more than $6M on two confs Asst secretary fired.
12. Sebelius violates the Hatch Act “extemporaneous partisan remarks” during a speech in her official capacity last year.
13. Solyndra
14. AKA Lisa Jackson: Former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used name “Richard Windsor” drawing charges she was trying to evade scrutiny.
15. The New Black Panthers
16. Waging war all by myself: Obama may have violated the Constitution and both the letter and the spirit of the War Powers Resolution by attacking Libya without Congressional approval.
17. Biden bullies the press VP’s office repeatedly interfered with coverage, including forcing a reporter to wait in a closet, making a reporter delete photos, and editing pool reports.
18. AKPD not A-OK: administration paid millions to the former firm of then-White House adviser David Axelrod, AKPD Message and Media, to promote passage of Obamacare. Some questioned whether the firm was hired to help pay Axelrod $2M AKPD owed him.
19. Sestak, we’ll take care of you: Former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel used Bill Clinton as an intermediary to probe whether former Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.) would accept a prominent, unpaid White House advisory position in exchange for dropping out of the 2010 primary against former Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.).
20. I’ll pass my own laws: Obama has repeatedly been accused of making end runs around Congress by deciding which laws to enforce, including the decision not to deport illegal immigrants who may have been allowed to stay in the U.S had Congress passed the “Dream Act.”

I think he omitted

21. Beale's fraud at the EPA. (Note: Judge sentenced him today to 32 months, which I think was the max.)

[Jane]

Hope you are doing well Henry.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Thanks for checking in Henry. Be well.

[Annoying Old Guy]

But we all make mistakes. For example, a spell checker might have helped our host catch that "migh".

I thought that error (and others like "Repeatring" and "valuable waste of pixels") were our gracious host being subtly and amusingly self-deprecating through irony.

[Danube on iPad]

ManTran, if you're here, how are the eyes?

[clarice]

Best wishes to you, Henry.

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[Stephanie]

I'm of two minds on the Braves thing. I'd love to get them out of the sesspool of downtown Atlanta and to get their tax revenue generations out of the city of Atlanta's clutches. Let the dem sesspool die without revenue inputs from the Braves.

The land they are looking at is not a Kelo situation. It is a fallow undeveloped piece of timberland in the middle of a shitty corporate campus like area that already has shitty traffic and ain't no additional roads, or anything that will improve that situation. It's located at the intersection of I-285 and I-75 a major traffic clogged corridor.

I will probably go less than I would go to the TED just because of the traffic situation. We have the Gwinnett Braves AAA team about 15 minutes from us and I can go see them without the traffic hassles anytime for $5-20, cheap food and beer, and games and give aways between innings. Rehabbing major leaguers go to Gwinnett for their rehabs, so we can even see "the big boys" sometimes.

The TPers in Cobb tend to be even more right wing than I am (definitely would not describe themselves as 'libertarian' but big C Christian Conservatives with Christian being the operative word), so I tend to view them with a jaundiced eye. They would cut off their nose to spite their face if it kept them right with Jesus.

[Stephanie]

OH, and most of the Braves, Falcons and other players live at TPC Sugarloaf and other gated communities in Gwinnett and the Braves players would be bitching about traffic big time.

The running joke in Atlanta is if you live in Cobb you can't get to Gwinnett and vice versa. When I worked about a mile from the proposed site, I drove INTO Atlanta on I-85 and back out I-75 just to avoid I-285 and all the trucks and tourists. The back roads are a joke and run through major traffic snags. It was about 25 miles and took some mornings (leaving at 6 am) up to 1 1/2 hours to navigate.

[Donald]

Seriously, that photo of that twerp has got to be a big ole fuck you America.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Stephanie-- who owns the underdeveloped land? public entity? private owners? IF private, are they willing sellers to the County, or is it by condemnation?

[Beasts of England]

So you never got behind 285-Perez? One of the funniest baseball stories ever, Steph!

[2Jack is Back4!]

jimmyk,

Your 3:56

How soon we forget Solyndra:) Thanks for the memories.

Thank you Fed. The Christmas bonuses this year may let us rent for the full summer and jack up the price. Everyone has a different cloud and different lining.

[Captain Hate]

Best wishes, henry. Glad you're here

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Crap-- Obenshain conceded Va Atty Gen today.

[Donald]

Allow me, the Braves bought the land. They own it all, the did it quietly.

What's happening in Cobb is kinda interesting. It's a local thing, so all my tea party thing says it's their thing, if it's wrong, EVERYBODY will be out next year. I don't think so, I think its gonna work and as Ayn Rand fanboy as I am, I ain't gonna have a problem with it.

PS, they're building a Perfect Game complex in Cartersville that's gonna be even bigger.

[narciso,]

Dame Peggy seems to be Candide like, I thought the IRS matter had opened up her eyes, but she needs the Full Clockwork Orange.

re the Quahtani fellow, sent back to art thetapy classes, I saw a weapy piece on some old lefty blog, about what a pitiful wretch he was, probably cosigned by CCR, a loony outfit, and the Levich Grp, the Ivy Lee's of the Salafist set,

[Donald]

The great and awesome Rick Behenna (never forget nephew Lt Michael Behenna who languishes in Leavenworth, look him up Dammit) was on that team. They thought Pascual was a space alien!

RIP Rick! Gotcha in. JOM thread!9

[Threadkiller]

http://www.brennancenter.org/legal-work/dnc-v-rnc-consent-decree

[Threadkiller]

http://michellemalkin.com/2013/12/18/while-america-sleeps-the-crony-obama-donors-in-charge-of-dhs/

[Threadkiller]

EXCLUSIVE -- RAND PAUL: END OF THE FILIBUSTER, BEGINNING OF 'IRONFISTED RULE'

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/18/rand-paul-nuclear-option-speech

[Stephanie]

Thanks for the assist, Donald.

The actual building of the stadium is the 'public/private' partnership part. ISTM that the revenue off the stadium will pretty well offset the cost to taxpayers - as long as Ted Turner doesn't start managing the Braves and they revert back to Marlins sized attendance like they had back in the late 70s/early 80s.

Overall, I'm not opposed, either.

BTW, typical of Atlanta, they plan on totally razing the TED/Olympic Stadium and doing something else with the property. Atlanta has few historical sites as we bulldoze them away. So much for 'Olympic History.' The old stadium that Hammerin Hank hit 715 in is a parking lot for the TED now and the spot where the ball landed is a 'marker' in the lot. Ain't progress grand?

[Stephanie]

Remember the Pasqual Perez tour of the city well. Had tix to that game. Also the game that went 20+ innings and they pissed off the neighborhood by shooting off the fireworks when the game ended at 3-4 am. IIRC that was a July 4 game and the fireworks were not the usual end of game stuff. Also remember the Bob Horner 82 Braves winning streak and was there the night Merker/Wohlers/Pena had the combined no hitter. Also there the night Otis Nixon climbed the wall on the way for that catch during the 91 worst to first run. Dad says we were there for Hammerin Hank, but I don't remember that one. Of course, 3/4 of Atlantans claim they were there last night.

Ah, memories.

[narciso,]

At least the Romans paid for their own bread and circuses, the penchant for sports palaces, are worthy of Domitian, I know I'm contradicting myself

[2Jack is Back4!]

Stephanie,

Who bought the ticket in Buckhead?

[Stephanie]

I'm opposed to the Falcons redoing their frigging stadium. They just had to have an indoor stadium and haven't been there 20 years and now want to raze it and build an indoor/outdoor stadium like Seattle and Arizona just to keep up with the cool kids. Stadia should be 30 or 40 year commitments not razed for a 'cooler' one on a whim of Arthur Blanks who demanded the indoor one in the first place.

[jimmyk]

ISTM that the revenue off the stadium will pretty well offset the cost to taxpayers

Then why do taxpayers have to be involved? A lot of times these calculations assume all sorts of tax revenue generated by other businesses opening up, as in this from the linked article:

The man who brokered the deal, Tim Lee, chairman of the county board of commissioners, said the stadium would be an economic boon. He conjured visions of a $400 million development adjacent to the stadium with hotels, retail, restaurants, office space and residences. Yup, it's the old “ballpark village” con. More often than not, these developments fail to materialize. If this one proves the exception, well, then Cobb County will have just what it doesn’t need: a strip mall on steroids.

Also, I wonder if they net off the lost revenue from everything that closes along with the old stadium.

Sorry, but to my mind if it isn't worth it for the private sector, it's probably a money loser. But, as they say, it's a local matter, so I'll butt out of it now.