Tolerating Everything Except Intolerance

NPR on the Duck Dynasty debacle. The minstrel got uppity:

A&E, here, is dealing with one of the fundamentals of reality shows that aren't at the documentary end of the spectrum but are at the comedy end of the spectrum. On the one hand, it loves to sell the Robertsons as real, genuine, cinema beardite stars who simply can't stop keeee-razy things from coming out of their mouths. On the other, it would like to be in the position of a sitcom in saying, "Hey, we are as appalled by this actor as you are, but it doesn't have to have anything to do with the show, right?" (That, though, will offend an entirely different group of folks who would really rather see Real Phil and certainly think there's no reason to find him appalling.)

Camille Paglia has more.

IN A BEAUTIFUL WORLD... Now that there is an opening on Duck Dynasty I see a role for PajamaBoy. Why can't we all just get along?

 

Comments

[peter]

first!

[Marlene]

Morning. The Robertsons are real and genuine.The elite punditry has finally gotten some pushback. I said to my *big retail* source yesterday,how many issues of GQ do you sell in the stores. She laughed.

[2Jack is Back4!]

Cross posting:

Chuck Norris does Jean-Claude Van Damme one better:)

Epic Christmas Splits

[Old Lurker]

Scared yet?

"Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
December 19, 2013
A White House review panel report into the activities of the NSA suggested that the government was using the spy agency to launch cyber attacks against financial institutions and change the amounts held in bank accounts.

Image: ATM Customers (YouTube).
The 300 page report prepared for President Barack Obama by the Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technology called for the NSA to be stripped of its power to obtain bulk collections of telephone records.
Page 221 of the panel’s report states;
(1) Governments should not use surveillance to steal industry secrets to advantage their domestic industry;
(2) Governments should not use their offensive cyber capabilities to change the amounts held in financial accounts or otherwise manipulate the financial systems.
Trevor Timm from the Electronic Frontier Foundation responded to the report by suggesting that the NSA was targeting major financial institutions."

[Cecil Turner]

Paglia nails it. It's every bit as intolerant of the gay activists to condemn Robertson's statements as it is of him to condemn homosexual behavior. And if the stats are to be believed, there're quite a few more devout Christians in the US than LGBT types, so . . .

Besides, the message is borderline incoherent. Here's the Advocate's man of the year, the most enlightened Pope ever:

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis told reporters

But wait, there's more:

Vatican experts were quick to point out that Francis was not suggesting that the priests or anyone else should act on their homosexual tendencies, which the church considers a sin.

I'm trying to parse the difference between what the Pope "considers a sin" and "who am I to judge" to Phil's "start with homosexuality" and "we never ever judge" . . . and I see precious little daylight . . . Francis is just a lot more polished with the delivery.

So which is it? Man of the year material? Or hate speech?

[Jane]

Harry Reid has been hospitalized. Amy disapproved when I cheered.

[Captain Hate]

NPR would throw Garrison Keillor's fat ass in the wood chipper if they could get Duck Dynasty ratings.

[Miss Marple]

Still want to know how GQ wound up with that interview, and why Robertson did it.

Doesn't seem to me like he does a lot of interviews, and DD doesn't seem to be GQ material.

Very mystifying.

[peter]

Let's hope the hospital accepts Harry's insurance.

[Thomas Collins]

Prez 404 has delayed the individual mandate tax for those who lost coverage and face higher expense policies on the exchange. Folks in this position will be able to buy catastrophic coverage that was mainly intended for those under 30. I'll try to find a link.

[Old Lurker]

or not

[clarice]

I am going to try to work up some concern for Reid..Give me a few months.

[James D.]

NPR would throw Garrison Keillor's fat ass in the wood chipper if they could get Duck Dynasty ratings.

I'd watch if they did that!

[Thomas Collins]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obama-aides-say-more-to-gain-coverage-under-aca-than-canceled.html

The above link is to an article on the individual mandate tax delay.

[Account Deleted]

To reiterate Marlene -

Stephanie, DoT, Man Tran and CindyK, wishing you all a speedy recovery and a healthy New Year.

[narciso]

He would end like Buscemi's character or the other one who usually plays Russians, I linked a piece last night about the unexpected circumstance that A&E found themselves, when the producers actually turned out to be successful

[narciso]

As usual they miss the point, CT.

[Captain Hate]

That link was very good, narc, as Janet indicated. It's a fine pickle they've gotten themselves into.

[Old Lurker]

And Duke & Duke wonder why we distrust them so:

"House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan admitted on Wednesday evening that cutting the pensions of disabled and injured U.S. military veterans as part of the deal he forged with Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) was a mistake.
Apparently, Ryan knew the mistake was in the legislation for at least two full days before the House vote. He has not, however, provided any explanation for why he did nothing to fix it."

[clarice]

I repeat Rick's best wishes.

Please save some prayers for my nephew--we just learned his most recent brain cancer surgery and chemo has not been successful.

[Old Lurker]

Me too, Rick.

[Old Lurker]

So sorry, C.

[Miss Marple]

Oh, Clarice, I am so sorry. I will of course put him in my prayers.

[narciso]

So sorry to hear that Clarice, prayers for all,

The Top Men, need to get the Beeks treatment surely.

[Captain Hate]

Very sorry to hear that, Clarice.

OL, I really really want to like Ryan but he's making it extremely difficult. That lack of an explanation is unacceptable.

[narciso]

Peter Stormare, is the fellow's name, from the film.

[Marlene]

Oh,clarice,so sorry. clarice,did you know that *big retail* opened two stores in DC? One at 1st and H (NW) and Georgia and Missouri.

[Ignatz]

Sorry clarice. How old is he?

[narciso]

My expectations for them, Captain, is a null hypothesis, in these matters,

[Account Deleted]

TC,

The Bloomberg piece accepts without question the government guess of 500K previously insured who are now uninsured. That's pure propaganda derived from slapping a 90% reinsurance rate to those whose policy has been cancelled.

Why wouldn't someone with a canceled plan take advantage of the 90 day risk free window and skip the first three months of BOzocare, even if they intend to buy a policy? It's a 25% no pain discount.

We won't know for a few months but I would wager the number deciding to not purchase to be closer to 2 million than to 500k. We'll see when the 10Ks and 10 Qs are filed.

[cathyf]

Let's hope the hospital accepts Harry's insurance.

That brings up a rather interesting question...

The law requires Reid to sign up for an Obamacare plan starting Jan 1. Is this a plan on the Nevada exchange or the DC exchange? Reid is a resident of Nevada, after all. Does that mean that Reid has no insurance coverage for doctors/hospitals outside of his home county in Nevada starting Jan 1?

[narciso]

There is a war on Math, but Math ultimately wins,,

[2Jack is Back4!]

Clarice,

Since I am not fully conversant in the Mi Sheberakh, I'll offer this prayer:

"Almighty and Everlasting God, the eternal salvation of those who believe in You, hear us on behalf of Your servants who are sick, for whom we humbly beg the help of your mercy, so that, being restored to health, they may render thanks to you in your Church. Through Christ our Lord. Amen"

[2Jack is Back4!]

cathyf,

He is already signed up on the Federal employee exchange where he gets that whooping taxpayer contributed subsidy.

[Ignatz]

-- It's every bit as intolerant of the gay activists to condemn Robertson's statements as it is of him to condemn homosexual behavior. --

I'd say it was rather more so. Robertson simply said what they do is wrong (based on the belief system which undergirds Western Civilzation, BTW) but in fact he does not condemn them; that's between them and God. He goes on to say he loves them and hopes they find the truth, or the Truth if you prefer.
Nor did he call for their behavior to be outlawed or banned.

Haven't seen an equally tolerant statement from the many who are actually condemning him yet, but I have heard many calls for his outright firing and that his speech should be at least the basis for shunning and intolerance or should actually be banned as hate speech.

[clarice]

Thank you all. He was just 40.

We'll find out today if there is anything more that can be done. My sister is beside herself and already looks to be on death's door herself from anxiety.

On the up side, my mother is vastly improved and if her strength continues to improve I'll try to move her nearer us in Spring.

It's been a hard two weeks and without my family and your wit and intelligence to help me thru this I don't know how I would have fared..

[Jane on Ipad]

Clarice,

I'm so sorry.

[Ignatz]

Cancer is obviously never good, but in a typical chemo room about 90% of the people have pretty much lived their lives.

The theft of years of a 40 year old with it adds so much pain to an already difficult situation its pretty hard to deal with.

You've probably already mentioned this clarice but, is he married? Kids?

[matt]

I am appalled by most actors who spout stupid ideas.In Robertson's case he stated his religious beliefs clearly and lucidly. That a majority of the country agrees with the underlying argument means naught to the Left.

We shall pray for all of you, clarice.

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n, that Ryan thing indicates a tone deafness comparable to A&E's, missed an opportunity for him to paper over the Boehner gratuitous slam on the TP, and that makes me ask "why?". Immigration? "We will fix it later" no longer makes any sense at all to anyone with an IQ>75.

If we can't/won't even protect our wounded vets with pocket change, then there is no base at all that the GOP considers important.

F'em.

[henry]

Clarice, so sorry to hear about your nephew.

[DebinNC]

So very sorry, clarice.

According to the GQ article, the writer doesn't indicate he prompted Phil with questions. Instead, supposedly there was no shutting Phil up on the subject of immorality. I'm with Miss Marple on the whole set-up seeming very fishy. I hope the Robertsons have an unedited tape of the entire conversation.

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson

[Jeff Dobbs]

I look askance at the typepad comment impediment.

[cathyf]

Yeah, I know that Reid gets a hefty and tax free subsidy for his insurance in flagrant violation of the law which explicitly limits subsidies to poor people, but I'm asking a different question. In many of the exchanges there is no plan available at any price which allows out-of-network coverage. This particularly affects people who are legal residents in one place but spend lots of time in a different place. Which pretty much defines any member of Congress not from VA or MA...

[clarice]

Iggy, he isn't. He got an almost ten year reprieve due to an incredible drug which had just been cleared by the FDA and we thought he was clear. When it recurred he went thru another surgery and chemo but an MRI yesterday showed a tumor at the surgical site.I am waiting to get a report today on the oncologist's recommendation.

My sister had stomach cancer years ago and has some suspicious stuff elsewhere now but postponed surgery until she could see how her son is doing. It's a real horror show..
and I regret bothering you all with it, but it is what it is.

[Marlene]

This isn't an original thought,but another aspect to the Robertson family is that they are hard working,productive and have an incredibly successful business. Geez,how did those "rednecks" manage that?

[Threadkiller]

http://conservativeangle.com/judge-ruling-means-obama-social-security-card-fraud-questions-may-finally-have-to-be-answered/

[cathyf]

I'm so sorry, Clarice. I sure wish I knew why life just sucks sometimes...

[Threadkiller]

Praying for him and your sister, Clarice.

Praying for you too.

[Captain Hate]

Is it wrong of me to hope that Reid's doctor has the bedside manner and sympathy for the patient of Zeke Emmanuel? And that anybody who has to clean off the Searchlight Pederast votes straight donk?

[clarice]

Smooches all around. Just keep posting your usual interesting and fun stuff because it is such a wonderful diversion as this stuff works thru.

[Ignatz]

Sorry, clarice. Life is a little too much to take sometimes.

[ZZ dessert topping and floor wax]

"“In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I one hundred percent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right of religious freedom there,” she added."

Yeah. LGBT's need to stop bringing bigotry into the 1st Amendment.

It's certainly not fascism to demand that they can't be married. We won't accept them, no matter how traditional and mainstream they become, and that reminds me; no amnesty either. This is a Constitutional Republic, and we want to keep it that way.

[Ignatz]

Your 10:34 is exactly how I feel, clarice.
Diversions-r-us.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Clarice et al-- my sincerest wishes and prayers to you all who are facing physical or emotional adversity during this Christmas and New Year seaon. I know they are just words coming from me, but have faith that you are loved by your family, friends, those you've never met and by God himself, whose love for us all is boundless. All the best to you all, may you find comfort and joy.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

CaptH-- good luck to Harry Pederast finding any decent Doctor who's a fan of his right now. In fact, if I were them and the hospital, I'd reject his Congressional insurance, and demand cash in advance for care.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Janet last night posted the A&E DD statement. feh-- I coulda saved them several Thousand Dollars in PR fees, and written it myself in 10 minutes. As I said yesterday, A&E corporate is around the block from where I am sitting, they are breathing caricatures, and sooo predictable.

[Old Lurker]

"and demand cash in advance for care."

in Swiss Francs if you ask me...

[Helen]

Clarice, please don't regret "bothering you all." As a long-time lurker, I recognize the love and affection of your JOM family.

Cherish it, wrap yourself in it. Extended families are a very good thing.

Your family will be in my prayers.

h

[Patriot4Freedom]

Clarice - Prayers go out to your nephew and his mother (and his wife and kids, if any).

Such a terrible development after surgery and chemo treatments that must have raised all of your hopes.

Great news, though, that your mother is doing so much better. Hang in there, I'm sure things will get better for you in the months ahead.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Clarice/Ignatz et al-- speaking for myself, if you wish to use JOM as one of your emotional diversions these days, please be my guest (IMO there are many more loving and spiritual JOM people here who feel the same)

[Ignatz]

I know we're always told the 1st Amendment only applies to Governmental laws but does it really?
Too many links to list but when Binging "religious expression in the private workplace" most of the sites indicate A&E's latitude for disciplining Mr. Roberstson may be quite limited if it exists at all, mostly centered around Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

OL-- Yessssss, the vig the Pederast would have to pay to convert Dollars into SF would be killer, oops,...I mean a FINANCIAL killer.

[DebinNC]

Reid is fine and dandy now. There must have been something scheduled to be voted on today that he wanted to avoid.

[Threadkiller]

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/jack-kelly/2013/12/18/Obama-s-past-as-murky-as-his-word/stories/201312180132#ixzz2nzE890Ns

[Extraneus]

♫ ♫

Don we now our gay apparel...

♫ ♫

[Jane]

"Is it wrong of me to hope that Reid's doctor has the bedside manner and sympathy for the patient of Zeke Emmanuel?'

My question is why is he getting any care at all? He's too old, and has outlived his usefulness. We do not have enough resources to be wasting them on the pederast.

[Account Deleted]

"but does it really?"

We'd have to ask Lawrence Tribe how the Dread Pirate Roberts would rule to know for sure, Ignatz.

[Captain Hate]

There must have been something scheduled to be voted on today that he wanted to avoid.

Maybe one of those meddlesome budgets.

[peter is no puffer]

Homophobia rightly belongs to those who fear the inclination and have strange feelings they will deny to all, especially their own selves.

Cue Rod Steiger in The Sergeant.

[James D.]

Clarice, you have my and my family's prayers as well.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Speaking of Roberts-- will he be vindicated? Obummer and the Senate Dems are in complete chaos mode (and panic for the Senate Dems.) They have gutted the Individual Mandate 'tax law' penalties for SOME uninsured. Are there now waivers for classes of people from paying certain taxes, when there is no rational distinction? I mean UN insured is Un insured. Does this whole thing get struck down on equal protection grounds? TBD.

[MarkO]

Clarice,

That is such disturbing news. We will keep him in our prayers along with his mother and you.

[peter is no puffer]

Robertson 'never saw a black person mistreated...'

He is clueless as to why.

"That is because governance in Phil Robertson's Louisiana was premised on terrorism. As late as 1890, the majority of people in Louisiana were black. As late as 1902, they still lived under threat of slavery through debt peonage and the convict-lease system. Virtually all of them were pilfered of their vote and their tax dollars. Plunder and second slavery were enforced by violence, as when the besiegers of Colfax massacred 50 black freedmen with rifles and cannon and tossed their bodies into a river. Even today the Colfax Massacre is honored in Louisiana as the rightful "end of carpetbag misrule."

The black people who Phil Robertson knew were warred upon. If they valued their lives, and the lives of their families, the last thing they would have done was voiced a complaint about "white people" to a man like Robertson. Ignorance is no great sin and one can forgive the good-natured white person for not knowing how all that cannibal sausage was truly made. But having been presented with a set of facts, Robertson's response is to cite "welfare" and "entitlement" as the true culprits."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/phil-robertsons-america/282555/

[Old Lurker]

vindicated?

Never. Nor should he be.

[Miss Marple]

Judging from the rapidity and column of tweets and retweets from the White House this morning (particularly Jarrett and the White House account and they are even re-tweeting Ed Schultz, for goodness sake) I would say they are in full panic mode.

[Rob Crawford]

Imagine how empty your life must be to sit around endlessly worrying that someone, somewhere, doesn't celebrate homosexuality.

[DebinNC]

Anyone remember BOzo being interviewed in any situation other than seated, legs crossed and pants pleated, face to face and slightly higher than his hand-picked interviewer in a room of his choosing under lighting designed to flatter him?

[Captain Hate]

Has Duck Dynasty been blocked at Pitzer?

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

OL-- am I to take it that you do not favor constitutional nuance, such as striking down a statute as unconstitutionally applied, rather than 'on its face'. The Federalist Society (for 3 decades) has made a strong case that the Courts should be more amenable to the former rather than the latter, as Marbury is judicial Doctrine rather than explicitly set forth in the Const.

[Rob Crawford]

The Pitzer Pisser sure does seem obsessed with it, doesn't he? Is he THAT desperate to distract from his messiah's failures?

[centralcal]

Just catching up on the thread. Oh, dang, Clarice - you certainly do have a full plate this holiday season. I add my prayers and best wishes to all the others here. Glad to hear your Mom is improving and I am sure moving her closer to you (if that turns out to be possible) will make things much easier for you.

And to our other JOMers in various states of medical trials, I also wish you all rapid recoveries.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

RobC@11:26-- you're being too polite. An empty, and useless, and pointless, and unspiritual life that must be.

[Danube on iPad]

So sorry, Clarice. Praying it all works out.

Many thanks, Rick.

[Extraneus]

Somebody wants to talk about racism instead of anal sex now? Well, ok.

Racism, Straight Up: Democrat Campaign Staffers Paid Significantly Less Than Whites

[Danube on iPad]

"...aren't at the documentary end of the spectrum but are at the comedy end of the spectrum"

What the hell spectrum is that?

[peter is no puffer]

" An empty, and useless, and pointless, and unspiritual life that must be."

Heh. I stopped believing in Santy Claus a long time ago; also Grimm's fairy tales and the Easter Bunny. I am spiritually wanting. :)

[Account Deleted]

I'm with OL. There is no outcome which will vindicate the vacuous sophistry inherent in redefining a fine as a tax in order to uphold BOzocare. My opinion won't change even if the electorate determines the only protection from fascist Progressive Democrats is to run them out of office.

The Chief Justice will remain a short pygmy in my estimation until he lays down his gown for the last time.

[Captain Hate]

Perky Katie has been cancelled. Moar grind dances.

[Danube on iPad]

Nothing can ever vindicate Roberts's inexplicable decision. It strikes me as genuine cowardice.

[MarkO]

Rick,

Fine vituperation. More.

He was the only man who could have saved us from this plague.

[Danube on iPad]

Don't know what I'd do without Orly:

"Dr. Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed numerous lawsuits related to the birth certificate issue, is behind an effort to obtain a copy of Fuddy’s autopsy. In an exclusive interview with the Western Center for Journalism, she cited several pieces of anecdotal evidence she believes refute official reports.

“'I have a file with all of the media reports on this accident,” she said, “and there are contradictions.'

"Taitz is not alone in speculating that there might be more to Fuddy’s death than has been reported; however, she alleges several eyewitness accounts cast aspersion on official accounts of the crash. For instance, she said there is some debate regarding whether the plane’s pilot made a mayday call prior to the incident. Initial reports, she explained, indicate that no such call was sent."

[Old Lurker]

NK, the unpardonable sin I attribute to Roberts was how hard he had to work to pretend the ACA was constitutional. (tax vs penalty etc)

To me that showed either an undue deference to the wishes of half of Congress over the demands of the Constitution, or in the alternative it showed his personal desire to achieve a political goal again regardless of the requirements of the Constitution.

Both sins in my book.

I do not for a second think he allowed a hidden bomb to get through so that upon its explosion the evils of statism would be revealed for all to see. That would rise to having destroyed the village to save it.

[synchronicity]

This is gonna leave a mark.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/192574712/New-Mexico-Supreme-Court-Ruling-on-Gay-Marriage-Law

[centralcal]

Stephanie, if you are around JOM this morning, I just emailed you my Bowl Game selections for your spreadsheet. I accessed my personal email here from work via the internet, so I hope I sent them off to the correct Stephanie email. If you don't receive them, let me know. ha ha. This was fun.

[Extraneus]

What Roberts taught me is that the SC is a joke. Just another political committee, only with robes and maybe a little more sophistry. They can come up with any decision they want.

[Old Lurker]

DoT do I understand you are off your Trike for a couple of weeks?

Bummer.

Can I send you the little silver bell Mrs. L used to summon me after her hip surgery?

[Old Lurker]

Sadly, Ext, in so doing they checked off yet one more Institution good people had relied upon to protect what is good about our society and to preserve it for our children.

[Threadkiller]

Uh-oh.

Is it hobby time?

The audience may need more lengthy quotes to understand what yoh are protecting them from.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

More Good news for the Badger State: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/20/wisconsin-peu-reform-allows-workers-to-decertify-more-than-70-school-district-unions/