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January 27, 2014

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Beasts of England

It must be the full-employment trees, narciso.

Rob Crawford

Seems to me Perkins asked a question worth asking. The left's reaction doesn't erase the memory of a horde of their useful idiots terrorizing a man's family because he's an executive at a bank, or their anger at having the RNC bomb plot uncovered.

narciso

It was a poor choice of words, one could reference Hollande's tone deaf tax scheme, the doings in Nostromo, I mean Venezuela and other matters.

Captain Hate

Somebody else went ahead of Jordan in that draft. Without googling, I'll guess that it was LaRue Martin, for whom I once named a cat.

Hakeem Olajuwon was the #1 choice in that draft; at least he was a HOFer and was on a team who won two championships (when Jordan was on his baseball sabbatical). NBA GMs lose their minds. Yes, LaRue was an all time bust, far worse than Sam Bowie who had a fair, albeit injury shortened, pro career.

Captain Hate

I meant to say GMs lose their mind over big guys, especially ignoring Knight's advice. I'll always respect the memory of Al McGuire who, before it was conventional wisdom, said at the start of Jordan's freshman year that MJ was going to be a special player. I used to play basketball with a guy who was the same age as MJ and attended a high school basketball camp with Jordan, where he wasn't the most talented player there. MJ had to work hard to achieve what he did. That is hard for GMs to evaluate, to be fair.

narciso

Didn't he do enough damage to Van Halen;

http://twitchy.com/2014/01/27/why-sammy-hagar-shilling-for-obamacare-in-radio-ads-fans-adjusting-playlists/

by contrast, Scarlett Johansen, has been ticking off the right people, re Sodastream.

jimmyk on iPhone

"Scarlett Johansen, has been ticking off the right people, re Sodastream."

Have to admit some grudging admiration for her, though she's a moon at and partly doing it for the wrong reasons. But a lot of people would have caved, and so far she's stuck to her guns.

jimmyk on iPhone

moon at = moonbat /autocorrect

Captain Hate

Those dimwits are giving some unintentional good publicity for SodaStream

Gus

Sammy Hagar is an expert on what???

Rob Crawford
Those dimwits are giving some unintentional good publicity for SodaStream

I've damn near bought one out of spite.

Gus

it's 11 below. I hope Henry has lots of fire wood.

DrJ

Sammy Hagar is an expert on what???

Tequila, allegedly, though his product is not great.

Gus

Jimmy, I'd like to stick to Scarlett's guns.

Gus

Sammy Hagar tequila. He's a genius. He should have a chat with Gene Simmons about marketing.

DrJ

Cabo Wabo Tequila. Not bad, but overpriced for what it is.

Ignatz

Sammy Hagar makes my dog's skin crawl.

Gus

Sammy Hagar seems like a Good Time Charlie to me. He isn't that talented, but he's had some hits, and he's done well for himself. Once known as THE RED ROCKER, he played loud goofy guitar solo's and milked his "talent" to the hilt. The Van Halen thing was a blessing to Sammy, because Sammy has NEVER been able to hit the notes live. God bless him. Please NEVER take him seriously. He is not talented. He IS a performer.

Danube on iPad

Here's what disappoints me about the GOP plan, as briefly as I can state it.

I held out the hope that this would be an opportunity to uncouple health insurance from the tax code, once and for all. I suppose it was too much to hope for, and it I now guess it will never happen. But consider: if the GOP plan were enacted fully, who gets what breaks and who loses would forever be determined by how the political winds are blowingat the moment, and thereby influencing congressional decisions about deuctions, credits, exemptions and all the rest. Forever.

Market corrections based on consumer preferences get short shrift, in my view.

Just another of my hopeless causes down the drain.

At least one fine thing is certain to happen on Sunday: either the wonderful Peyton Manning will cement his place in history, or Pete Carroll will win a Super Bowl, thereby frustrating and infuriating the loathsome Jim Harbaugh.

Beasts of England

I haven't liked Hagar since the Montrose days. Talk about an underrated guitarist - Ronnie could bring it!

Captain Hate

Well argued, DoT; you've trumped Kristol imo.

Gus

Hey Beasts!! I'm glad you weighed in my friend!! Ronnie could rock, Hagar was always a little light on the chops, but had POP ROCK sensibilities coupled with a HARD ROCK ego. I don't mind Hagar as a person, but I don't rate him as a guitar player. Beasts, I appreciate guitar players of all stripes. I think Pete Townshend and Rick Nielsen have unique POP talents. Hagar is more HYPE than substance.

Captain Hate

Frankly the Hagar vs DLR arguments bored me.

jimmyk on iPhone

I agree with DoT @11:02. It still smacks of social engineering. Better engineering, but that's the wrong message when we're headed for the abyss.

MarkO

It's good to agree with DoT. And, I do.

Gus

Same here Capn'. Van Halen was a unique entity, because of Eddie VH and David Lee Roth. I know many people who think Alex Van Halen was/is an excellent drummer. POPPYCOCK. As for Michael Anthony........he and Sammy make great drinking buddies.

Captain Hate

Gus that was a time where I was listening to a lot more jazz than rock but Eddie's guitar playing would catch my attention from time to time.

Gus

Heck a couple of you were quicker to agree with Danube that me. DOT, I agree entirely with your 11:02.

Captain Hate

Gus were you a Little Feat fan?

Gus

Yes Capn' I've seen Little Feat and like them a lot.

Ignatz

Watched Hagar recently on Axs or some place and was reacquainted with what a talentless, foul-mouthed, albeit relatively good natured, slob he is.

BTW, Archer is often very funny.

Dave (in MA)

I've never spent a dime on Van Halen, but I'd have to guess that I've changed stations fewer times from the Hagar version.

Beasts of England

I had, frankly, forgotten that Hagar was even a guitarist, but the interwebs say that he was...

Captain: Enjoyed the Little Feat link last night!

Gus

Ignatz, don't hold back brother!! Tell us what you think!!

Gus

Dave, I'm a life long guitar player. I am a Pop Rock type guitar player on stage. I can play, but it's not virtuoso work that I'm seeking to share with the audience. I have NEVER cared for Van Halen. However, I have come to have an appreciation for the songs and the over the top guitar abilities FOR THE TIME, of EVH. David Lee Roth was a PARODY of a PARODY. But in retrospect, if you don't take them seriously, they were entertaining. Then EVH got hooked on Meth etc etc etc etc.

Gus

Beasts, I love you man!!! I do. You are awesome. And yes Sammy Hagar used to own a guitar.

Captain Hate

Gus, until I discovered Richard Thompson, I think I saw Little Feat more than any other rock group live. The last time I saw them was the tour before Lowell George died; topically enough it was my first out of the house social activity after the concussion mentioned earlier in the thread.

DrJ

DoT,

While I agree that the tax code should be decoupled from every economic decision as much as is possible, how do you propose to get health insurance out of it?

The only way that I can see to do that is to disallow the tax deduction from an employer's health insurance expenses. I would drop health insurance tomorrow, as I might have to pay taxes in spite of showing a NOL.

I think many or most employers would do the same: drop the insurance and pay the employee the amount paid for health insurance. Let the employees decide what they want to do on health insurance.

If that's not the plan, what is it?

Dave (in MA)

The first time I saw Roth I thought Jim Dandy Mangrum just had his stage act stolen.

If you're familiar with who he is, do yourself a favor and don't look up recent videos.

Gus

Beasts. What is your opinion of Keith Moon vs Neil Peart or Stewart Copeland or any other heralded Rock drummer!!

Captain Hate

Glad you liked it Beasts; I used to love how they'd segue from "Cold Cold Cold" to "Dixie Chicken" to "Tripe Face Boogie" in concert.

Gus

Capn, I've seen Little Feat a half dozen times. I've seen Cheap Trick 67 times. I've seen virtually every band that I COULD HAVE seen, including seeing THE CLASH in their heyday. My favorite concert of all time was Paul McCartney at Milwaukee County Stadium. I'm sorry to say that Paul McCartney being a BIG TIME LIBTARD has actually soured me on him.

Captain Hate

Dear God Black Oak Arkansas was terrible. I would've sworn Mangrum would be dead by now by extremely unnatural causes.

Dave (in MA)

Can't say I disagree, CH.

Gus

Dave, I know who Jim Dandy Mangrum is, and I wouldn't disagree with you at all. David Lee Roth had "enough" talent, both singing, front man and "PRANCABILITY" to make Van Halen very very wealthy. Alice Cooper was a trail blazer of a different sort, but all of Rock n Roll is the logical progression of CAPITALISM and the lust for fame.

Captain Hate

Was that a Wings concert, Gus? I saw U2 in a small club; didn't like 'em much. Can't understand any of the praise of the Edge's guitar playing.

Dave (in MA)

Little Feat's founding bass player.

http://www.nme.com/news/frank-zappa/62252

It's kind of sucked a lot of the enjoyment out of a bunch of albums for me.

Captain Hate

The Coop knew how to start an LP with very rocking songs: "Caught in a Dream" and "Under My Wheels" to name two. Plus he's a relative conservative.

Beasts of England

Thanks, Gus! You too, sir!

Peart played eight notes when silence would suffice. Bonham was the best. And now that I'm on YouTube watching Montrose with Edgar Winter, I have to say that Chuck Ruff was a fantastic drummer.

Never cared for The Who. Watts is a great drummer for keeping it in the pocket - nothing fancy, but classy. Steve Gadd is the shit. I can listen to his lessons on the internet.

Gus

Southern Fried boogie!!
Black Oak,
Lynyrd Skynyrd,
Then Skynyrds little brothers, Molly Hatchet, then 38 Special, IT EVOLVES. The Black Crowes.

Gus

Wow Beasts!! I've never been a HUGE Stones fan, but I watched a 91 Stones concert last night, and Charlie could bring it. Simple but to the point. I agree Peart was playing 8 notes, when 1 or 2 would suffice. Bun E Carlos, Ringo Starr, and Dennis Dyken ROCK. Look up Dennis Dyken if you don't know him.

Captain Hate

I wonder if Estrada being a perv was why he just disappeared from Little Feat when they expanded the band after "Sailing Shoes".

Ignatz

Gus, I'm pretty much a 2 minute 30 second and out rock and roll kind of guy so if it aint Breathess, High School Confidential-Jerry Lee Lewis, Mystery-Train Elvis, Anarchy in the UK-Sex Pistols, Sheena is a Punk Rocker-Ramones style stuff I kind of lose interest to put it mildly.

The Van Halen/Sammy Hagar wing of rock is kind of an emetic for me.

Beasts of England

As you may know, I grew up in the South and Southern Rock was a wonderful thing. I have so many Allman Brothers and Skynyrd ticket stubs (ranging in price from $3.50 to $6.00) that it fills a photo album.

Ringo was a better drummer than he gets credit for, in my opinion. Heck, George Martin brags on his abilities. An argument to authority, but it's a good authority.

Gus

Ignatz, that is EXACTLY what I love to play. I love the Sex Pistols, the Clash, the Jam, the Beatles, The Smithereens, the Kinks, Cheap Trick, the Hollies, even crap like Huey Lewis.
The Ramones were awesome, and I saw them from 2 foot away. I saw the Clash in their prime in Chicago at the Aragon Ball room with The Undertones and Bo Diddley. I saw The Sex Pistols and met Paul Cook their drummer by accident. I predicted the opening song with my pals and won 50 bucks. BODIES.

Ignatz

I always thought Clem Burke was a vastly underappreciated drummer.
Clean and tight and perfectly integrated into whatever the tune is.

Captain Hate

Here you go, Beasts: My favorite drummer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSDlTNw6Ug

I actually helped bring one of his groups to a local club and email him every now and then. Great guy.

Captain Hate

Gus, did you like the Buzzcocks? Did you ever see Television or any of Verlaine's subsequent groups?

Dave (in MA)

I had a hunch it was going to be one of those Okkadisk type guys before I clicked.

Beasts of England

Not a U2 fan, either. Saw them in LA when I was out there on business in the mid-eighties. The BoDeans opened up, then The Pretenders played, and finally U2.

The BoDeans were fantastic, The Pretenders were almost as good, and I left about five songs into U2's set. I simply can't understand their incredible success.

Gus

I love the Buzzcocks, AND.......CLEM BURKE is a DAMN GOOD DRUMMER!!! He played with the ROMANTICS for a few years too. He is quite awesome despite his HAIR!!! HA!! He was essential to Blondie. But he was very good in the Romantics. The Romantics now have Brad Elvis from the Elvis Brothers.

Dave (in MA)

U2 might be a pretty good band if they got themselves a singer that I could stomach.

jimmyk

The only way that I can see to do that is to disallow the tax deduction from an employer's health insurance expenses. I would drop health insurance tomorrow, as I might have to pay taxes in spite of showing a NOL.

Or, as I think DoT was suggesting, provide the same deduction for individuals who buy their own insurance. Granted that is not getting the tax code entirely "decoupled from every economic decision," but it removes one gross distortion.

I wouldn't object to your proposal (not that you are necessarily proposing it), so long as the huge tax increase were offset by an across the board cut in tax rates. If employers then dropped coverage, so be it. I think the market can solve that problem provided the government keeps its paws out of it. But this already presumes the demise of Obamacare.

Gus

Captain, do you know THE JAM. Paul Weller's band?? They were British Pop Rock big time.

Gus

BEASTS!!!! I grew up with the BoDeans. Or DA BODEANS as they were known then. Kurt from the Bodeans was a friend of mine for years. They are from Waukesha Wisconsin. Kurt Newman and Sammy Llanas, I know both of them.

Ignatz

--Ringo was a better drummer than he gets credit for, in my opinion.--

I agree, Beasts. Ginger Baker might be impressive but rock aint Gene Krupa big band jazz; at least it shouldn't be IMO.

To me he best rock tunes are short, integrated little gems and Ringo did his small job tidily and well.

Give me Bad Boy, Little Deuce Coup or Can't You See That She's Mine over those gawdawful guitar heroes/drum monsters schlock operas any day.
And I readily admit that Dave Clarke did go a smidge overboard once in a awhile, but even then it was to drive the song not spread his peacock plumes.

Beasts of England

Never heard of him until your link, Captain, but he's legit!

Captain Hate

You know me well from JC, Dave.

Gus

I love SOME of the Pretenders stuff. Mostly the early guitar work on a Tele. I begrudgingly give Chrissie Hynde some credit for her talent, but she makes my skin crawl.

Captain Hate

Gus, I'm sure I know some songs by The Jam without knowing it's them.

Beasts, to say that I listen to sub-niche stuff is putting it mildly.

Beasts of England

Saw Krupa in town many years ago, Ig. First class player.

Dave (in MA)

Ig, I'm guessing a venn diagram of your CD collection and mine might resemble Dolly Parton.

Ignatz

I only own one U2 song; "One", primarily because of one line;
"Did you come here to play Jesus to the lepers in your head".
Always thought that was a nice turn of phrase.
Sunday Bloody Sunday is OK, otherwise, snoozefest.

Beasts of England

Dang, Gus - you know more rock and rollers than I do! And I grew up an hour from Muscle Shoals!

Love the Smithereens and the Buzzcocks.

Gus

More good stuff Ignatz. Dave Clark Five was WAY WAY WAY under rated. They've NEVER released their stuff on CD for CASH!!! Did you know that?? The Dave Clark 5 had many hits.

Gus

Dave, Dolly Parton came into my business about 4 or 5 years ago at this time of year. I'm in Wisconsin, and she was dressed appropriately for the weather. It was fun, and funny.

Danube on iPad

DrJ, that's exactly what I would like to see.

Eliminate the corporations' deduction for the expenses of their employees' health insurance. Instead, allow market forces to increase those employees' wages by roughly the amount of the employers' health insurance costs, and let the employees use those increased wages as they see fit.

I see no reason at all to allow health insurance premiums to be deductible from anyone's tax bill. But if there must be such a deduction, let it be available equally to all who purchase it.

Remember, this whole crazed and distorted system was not brought about by market forces exerted by freely acting consumers. It was brought about by the federal government instituting wage and price controls, and then trying to tweak what they had done by fiddling with the tax code.

How have these clowns done so far?

Gus

Beasts, I am friends with the Smithereens Guitar player Jimmy Babjak. He got me back stage passes to Tom Petty/Smithereens last summer.

Captain Hate

Make my day and tell me everybody hates Pearl Jam.

Beasts of England

That's awesome, Gus!!

Ignatz

-I begrudgingly give Chrissie Hynde some credit for her talent, but she makes my skin crawl.--

The Pretenders; great, hook laden melodies, superb musicians, Hynde's vocals are effective if sometimes irritating, but the lyrics, mostly hers I believe, are disastrously stupid;
"Like a pigeon from hell"?
Holy Moses.

Gus

Thanks Beasts. Are you familiar with THE BEAT or PAUL COLLINS BEAT?? One HUGE Pop album.
Ig. "I can't get from the CAB to the CURB without some little jerk on my back" DRECK.

Beasts of England

Too many great tunes, and too many good times associated with those songs. Sorry, Captain. Still a big fan of Eddie and the boys...

Ignatz

LOL, Dave.

BTW I read something I agreed with quite strongly the other day somewhere;
Chrissy Hynde had the career Johnette Napolitano of Concrete Blonde should have had.
Really great, powerful, underappreciated voice.

Beasts of England

Not at all familiar with either, Gus. Hitting YouTube now.

Gus

Pearl Jam?? Yes, quite over the top self indulgent Seattle stuff??
Jeromy Spoke in class today???
Can't find a "better Man"????

They are really deep.

narciso

the problem is this plan, does seem to operate under those precepts Avik Roy put forward some weeks ago, and the whole thing reminds me of the alternatives to the Ferrand bill, that Reagan opposed, which were deemed illegitimate and hence requiring Medicare as an answer,

Of course, we discover that Macklemore, apparently were 9/11 denialists, which type I'm not sure abour,

Dave (in MA)

I don't mind Pearl Jam but I don't try to decipher the mumbling. THe only thing I have by them is the Neil Young album they backed him on.

Captain, my other guesses would have included Tom Rainey and Hamid Drake.

Captain Hate

I used to work with a strange stoner from North Canton who had some hilarious Chrissy Hynde stories regarding her dealings with some of the local studhorses. She might have moved to the UK to get away from them.

Captain Hate

Those are two very good guesses, Dave; particularly the latter who, prior to seeing PNL, was my favorite drummer. Incredible economy of motion like Max Roach.

Dave (in MA)

Hey, I live in North Canton, well north Canton anyway.

Beasts of England

Gotta feel sorry for the regular crew who start reading these threads in the morning and run into the weekly JOM Rock Review. ;)

Captain Hate

My strange stoner co-worker used to make a point of specifying he was from North Canton rather than Canton itself, which is more like an overgrown small town than a city. The pro football HOF was built there when Rozelle was commissioner, which was a far cry from what the current empty suit would've done.

Captain Hate

Good night all.

narciso

This who Iowahawk was musing about earlier;


http://selvedgeyard.com/2013/08/28/frances-fairest-export-francoise-hardy-immortal-beloved-style-music-muse/

Ignatz

Missed your 12:04 Cap.
Pearl Jam = one of my very favorite hates.
Deplorable bunch of matted hair goons who would have served society much more noblely on the end of a broom or shovel somewhere.

Dave (in MA)

We just have the HQs for Dunkin Donuts and Reebok as our claims to fame.

Dave (in MA)

& the Sex Pistols would otherwise be captains of industry?

narciso

And he was making a pointed contrast with Madge;

Ignatz

--Eliminate the corporations' deduction for the expenses of their employees' health insurance. Instead, allow market forces to increase those employees' wages by roughly the amount of the employers' health insurance costs, and let the employees use those increased wages as they see fit.--

Why is an idea this basic and simple and obvious and sensible so foreign and impossible to contemplate by the supposed party of limited government in DC?
That it is foreign is cause for considerable gloom if not outright DOOM.

And good night, all.

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