Saturday Afternoon

We are slacking our way to success on Saturday afternoon.

And as we slack, we wonder - when women make different career choices that lead to lower pay, it represents a national crisis so grave that our President feels obliged to lie about it.

But when the loss of subsidies with higher income discourages the working class from actually trying to work their way up the ladder, progressives cheer the choice of free time over paid effort.

Well... since the topic is women in society, sort of, I am also wondering whether I can make it through yet another day without accidentally seeing some ice dancing from Sochi. Now this is an example of women crushing the American spirit. Most of the time we can count on male-oriented sports programming, with lots of football, basketball, beer commercials, hair loss advice, pick-up trucks, and of course, Viagra and its many, many, many competitors.

But come the Olympics the networks feel obliged to scoop up the chicks with lots of ice dancing (winter) and gymnastics, synchronmized swimming and rhythmic aerobic dancing (summer). Groan - why can't I be watching Lithuania play Estonia in ice hockey like a real American? Instead I am being offered a chance to watch Miss Unpronounceable from Unrecognizable twirl around like... well, like the finger twirling next to my head to indicate my probable mental status.

One day more...

Comments

[miss Marple]

On Jeopardy tonight, the category was "Chicago the Beautiful" and all of the answers were read by Michelle Obama.

I really think we need to read up son the Perons.

[justified]

"Structural Engineers will tell you the same thing!"

Too bad they're all conspiracy outliers who cut themselves out of that sea-llke herd of lemmings called mainstream engineers.

We can only trust the muddle when it comes to these sensitive subjects.

[sbwaters]

TBT? Haven't seen her in weeks. I recommend others consider how sweet that is.

[narciso]

Oh crikey, miss marple.

speaking of the Perons you reminded me of one of their successor's retainers, a Mr, Capitanich, another one of Cristina's cabal, who in order to obscure the govt's failure of an economic policy, is attacking individual bueinesses as if they had anything to do with it,

[Truthbetold]

The number of architects and engineers who separated from the lemmings is large.

[matt]

I think it is time to try an inform JM and perhaps Typepad that we are experiencing harassment on a regular basis. It is both insulting and pointless.

If the little turd dared identify itself it would beg a visit from the local police.

I'm blaming it on the Trilateralists myself. Are they the ones with the black helicopters? Or is it another conspiracy? It's so hard to keep up these days.Maybe the Kochs were involved.

[clarice]

As far as I am able to mine the depths of insane minds, it appears TBT believes the Plame hoax was started by Bush, Perle and Wolfoitz to distract from drawing attention to the real perps behind 9/11 who could not possibly be jihadis and somehow I--who pasted together the best thoughts of the JOM hive mine into a coherent narrative was a key player in pulling the wool over people's eyes.

I love it..

[justified]

"The number of architects and engineers who separated from the lemmings is large."

I'm sure it is large, but as a comparative group?

[miss Marple]

Narciso,

Note the same strategy is being tried here. It's the banks' fault. It's the insurance companies. Big Oil! Big Pharma! Doctors are cutting peoples' feet off! On and on.

Nothing is ever the fault of government. Never.

[narciso]

Why doesn't Tenet give you credit for this, in his 'where are the strawberries' appearance at Bandar's palace, he gives no hint of it, btw
Tyler seems crazy enough to think this is a plausible argument, we've always been in the best of hands, yikes,

[Truthbetold]

Clarice

You contend that Dick Armitage, Colin Powell, John Ashcroft, James Comey, Robert Mueller and others concealed information about the Plamegate hoax for three years from their boss George W. Bush.

You call that sane thinking?

[BB Key]

tbt is Michael Isikoff still trying to atone for Clinton/Lewinsky

[Jane-Rebel Alliance1]

Clarice,

What exactly is the "Plame hoax"?

I see TBT couldn't answer my question.

[miss Marple]

Costas hints he will go into more detail son Russian history next week, oh joy.

I hope his eye ( which looks worse tonight) swells to the size of a tennis ball.

I have no doubt they got their marching orders son magnifying any error or glitch in order to make Putin look bad. And I also think he is smarting still about not winning the Olympics for Chicago.

Oh, that sounds too petty, you say?

Not for President Pettiness. He would do it in a heartbeat.

[clarice]

*hive min*--If i'm going down on this, I'm taking you all with me--esp. Maguire.

[Truthbetold]

Clarice,

What exactly is the "Plame hoax"?

I see TBT couldn't answer my question.

Posted by: Jane-Rebel Alliance1 | February 08, 2014 at 08:56 PM

Tell her Clarice.

[Threadkiller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzw1_2b-I7A

[boricuafudd]

Clarice
This is what bothers me the most about TBT and his ilk. The sheer supremacist view of theirs that will refuse to believe that "desert goatheraders" could actually be smart enough to commit 9/11. Even if they could it be all a plot by some Jewish cabal or rich bankers and the government. This type of bigotry blinds them for so many things.

They don't ask if fire can't melt steel, why do they have all steel beams covered with some fireproof agent. Or if the Iraq War was for Iraqui oil why are we getting less of it now that pre-war. Or why is the Iraqui government paying billions to remove both Yellow Cake or Chemical weapons that we "were not there".

[miss Marple]

Hey, as long as we are asking questions, where did Plame and her husband get the money for that fancy house detailed in Vanity Fair, the one with granite countertops and Persian rugs and antiques, which renovation they had just completed?

All on 2 government worker salaries, along with an expensive Rollex watch for hubby and a couple of expensive cars, as well as private school and private lessons for their children.

All detailed in the article to show how tasteful they were.

[Truthbetold]

bori

You are not equipped for this discussion. You will only show your ignorance.

[narciso]

Well as Rocco pointed out to us, Joe Wilson was certainly on the Saudi pension, through his consultancy with Rock Creek Partners, and their ties to the Middle East Institute, so that probably paid some good coin,

[miss Marple]

Exactly, narciso. It is astounding to me that not one reporter thought to question their lifestyle.

And remember, Wilson thought he would be played in the movie by Brad Pitt. Ha! Either he is an egomaniac or someone spotted the easiest way to get that blowhard to concoct a story.

[narciso]

Some of this is illustrated here;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1256475/posts

recall what W was attempting to do, was quite remarkable, even if he didn't understand all the particulars, since 1945, if not earlier,the US had been tied to the Arab world to the detriment of any Jewish state, Israel won the first war, then came the fedayeen operating out of Egypt, before and after Nasser, then came '56, which in retrospect was a bad call, because had it succeeded the Brotherhood would have been enpowered three generations earlier, then came '67 was what was won on the battlefield was whittled down at the UN,
'73, which was more of a draw, but it led to the oil embargo

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

Since TBT has inserted him/her self on JOM, by my count, s/he has engaged no one, and ridiculed everyone here with ad hominem bullshit. S/he has not propounded one hypothesis that we could test, but rather has made snide comments about those of us who, over a long period of time, have established their bonafides by making substantive arguments on a wide variety of thorny issues.

There is nothing to see here. Move along TBT.

[matt]

That flight home from Copenhagen must have really frosted him. The Lightbringer couldn't even bring home the bacon with something so deserving to his city and country.

US television rights basically fund the Olympics. But most of the Olympic community really can't stand our country.The politics are byzantine and the corruption while I was involved added another dimension. It's just more subtle now.

To have to visit some post Stalinist backwater is simply more than he can bear. But he'll be sure to send as many openly gay athletes as he can. Not sure if the men's figure skaters want to be included in that lot.

[clarice]

3d time's a charm, they say *hive minD*

[boricuafudd]

TBT
That is your answer to everything, if the question is too hard, or the answers too painful, all of the sudden you don't want to discuss it anymore.

You come here, but we are all idiots, ignorant, stupid and a waste of time. If that is the case, then why are you here? Is there not some hole in the internet where everyone is up to your intellectual prowess where you can debate with yourself and your fellow Mensa members?

[Truthbetold]

Rhoads

Save that BS.

Do you believe the Dick Armitage version of the Plamegate hoax?

[rich@gmu]

don't forget the Hermes ties...they start at about $200...

...can't believe I stopped in bat country...

[Truthbetold]

bori

Does all steel melt at the same degree?

[rich@gmu]

what the hell happened to this place?

[narciso]

Now of course what happeened between say Suez and '73, a number of things, some of the top men like Eichelberger and Copeland unleashed Nasser who ultimately became a threat to the Kingdom, and much like the cartoon of getting the cat to go after the mouse, a new problem arose, from their purported solution, all these different charitable front organization, that spread Wahhabism near and far,

[Truthbetold]

Clarice

Your friend is still waiting for you to explain the "Plame hoax"

[Danube on iPad]

Architects recgnize that a very pleasing ratio of one dimension to another - say, the length of a room to its width - occurs when the ratio of the length to the width is the same as the ratio of (legth plus width) to length. This is called the "golden ratio." Its numerical value is 1.6183.

Now get this: if you take the ratio of a Fibonacci number to its predecessor, you will get a number that is either higher or lower than the golden ratio. But if it is higher, then the ratio of the next two will be lower, and so on. And as the numbers get larger, the ratios approach closer and closer to - you guessed it.

I have pondered why this is so, and have concluded that you can't get there from where I start.

[Beasts of England]

Per the Fibonacci sequence (spiral): Nature adheres to mathematical formulae, too, e.g., nautilus, divine proportion. Without doing the calculations, I suggest that the hair spiral is not only natural, but beautiful because of its relationship to what we are accustomed to comprehend.

And, yes, further study is indicated...

[Truthbetold]

bori

Take your time. You only have a 50% chance of answering correctly.

Does all steel melt at the same degree?

[rich@gmu]

>>>but beautiful because of its relationship to what we are accustomed to comprehend.

And, yes, further study is indicated...

Posted by: Beasts of England<<<

a federal grant is in your future...fantastic.

[Account Deleted]

Rich,

Instapundit has a link which links to an interesting NCES longitudinal study. It's worth a read. The distribution of the debt incurred to tenured thieves is of particular interest. One in six BAristas is wearing a $50K serf collar.

That's a lot of double lattes.

[narciso]

Well the key to science, is not only observation but replication of the results,
which sort of violated the Heisenberg principle.

[Beasts of England]

Do you think that troll boy has the first clue about moments of inertia?

[Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet]

What BS? You threw down the gauntlet. Sadly, you are much too intellectually feeble to respond with anything like an articulate answer.

[narciso]

This is the piece I was referring to earlier;

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304450904579369241634828598?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304450904579369241634828598.html

[Beasts of England]

Steel has to melt? Heating it up doesn't change its structural integrity, e.g., tensile strength?

[Skoot]

TBT, the boiling point of methanol is 148.5 deg F. You weren't supposed to drink that part!

[Truthbetold]

BOE

Inertia! Tell me you are joking.

[narciso]

well we either have the argument clinic or Ghostbusters

Dr. Peter Venkman: Ray, pretend for a moment that I don't know anything about metallurgy, engineering, or physics, and just tell me what the hell is going on.

[henry]

Beasts, remember all fires burn at the same temp. That constant is the key to it mattering which type of steel is involved. Tensile, compression, and shear forces have nothing to do with it. ROFL.

[boricuafudd]

TBT,

Sorry, I have a life so I just read your question. The answer is no, it depends on the particular alloy and the properties desired.

Maybe this will help, you;

Addendum (8/26/2011): I answered this question many years ago and it has been referenced in many different web sites and reports. There has been one misrepresentation that has come from that. Many sites refer to the difference in the melting point of steel and the burning temperature of jet fuel as proof that the World Trade Center could not have fallen from the aircraft fires. What those authors fail to note is that while steel melts at around 1,370°C (2500°F) it begins to lose its strength at a much lower temperature. The steel structure of the World Trade Center would not have to melt in order for the buildings to lose their structural integrity. Steel can be soft at 538°C (1,000°F) well below the burning temperature of jet fuel.

https://www.jlab.org/

[Truthbetold]

Rhoads, it's a simple question

Do you believe the Armitage version of the Plamegate hoax?

[Beasts of England]

Angular momentum in planar movements. No, not joking. If it's too complex, I'll be happy to type this a little slower...

[Beasts of England]

Thanks, henry! I didn't know that. ;)

[Danube on iPad]

"Alas I sense I have stepped on a toe or two."

Don't flatter yourself, simpleton.

[Truthbetold]

bori

For starters

What does any of that BS have to do with #7?

[Ignatz]

Ridiculing this dope can be entertaining but one might as well have a discussion with the shoeless guy on the corner with the straws sticking in his hair if you expect someone actually interested in a discussion or advancing a coherent idea.

[rich@gmu]

1.61803398874989000000000 at the 41st and 40th interation

[rich@gmu]

thanks for the link Rick needed something to read.

I'll have to keep DoT's 9:43 in mind...the truth is out there.

[Truthbetold]

Ignatz

I have yet to see an intelligent remark come from you.

[Ignatz]

Ouch; but are they inaccurate?

[Truthbetold]

As you prove my point.

[Steve]

CNN VIDEO: The British Invasion details the 1960's British Bands which took the US by storm:

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/02/cnn-special-report-sixties-british.html

[boricuafudd]

TBT,

Are you really that dense? Have you ever even been to the World Trade Center? Do you understand what Structural Integrity is? Do you know how many buildings were destroyed or have to be destroyed after the towers fell? Why?

I'll wait.

[Danube on iPad]

"Do you believe the Armitage version of the Plamegate hoax?"

TBT, if God came down and told you that not a single person at this site has the slightest idea what that version is, and further that not a single person at this site gives a shit, would that modify your thinking or your behavior in any respect?

I see two possibilities: either you are here to persuade the readers of something, or you are hear to vandalize the site. Trust me: if it is the former, you have failed catastrophically. No one has any idea what you are trying to tell us. You seem to believe that the questions you are posing are provocative. They aren't. It is impossible to discern what, if anything, you are attempting to convey by them.

[boricuafudd]

DoT

He can't answer any of that, as it may require typing more that one sentence some of which might need to be other than a question.

[Truthbetold]

bori

You are showing your ignorance on the subject.

Look at the video of the collapse of building #7. Then talk to me.

[Truthbetold]

DoT

If you don't know, go educate yourself. If you do answer the question.

[Jane on Ipad]

He's quite a moron isn't he? He doesn't even know what he is trying so desperately to talk about. It's quite funny in a boring way.

[narciso]

See the truth was out there, without the crazy digressions,

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2006/04/widen_the_net.html#comment-16245209

[boricuafudd]

TBT,

I see you did not answer any of my questions. How about an easy one, would you agree that WTC 7 was on fire?

[Ignatz]

--As you prove my point.--

Your point is irrelevant.
I could be a complete blockhead but my point that you exhibit not one trace of attempting to engage in an actual discussion or advance a coherent argument is still perfectly accurate. As DoT points out by quite correctly noting that no one here has any idea what you're saying in toto (only these weird innuendos about clarice) you have not even attempted to make an argument. And your grade school understanding of what you apparently think the Socratic method entails just breeds contempt from anyone who would like to grasp what the hell it is you seem to believe.

You're like the love child of Samuel Francis and Sniffles the Mouse.

[Truthbetold]

Jane

Tell us how smart you are.

Are you another expert on structural integrety?

[narciso]

And that came from here;

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1640

[Account Deleted]

Jane,

Quick, plead him not guilty by reason of mental defect and ask for immediate remand due to the danger posed to the general public.

He's nuttier than almond tree in August.

[Beasts of England]

What time does Nurse Ratched come around to confiscate this troll's computer for the evening?

[Threadkiller]

I can't imagine I was this bad.

But if I could imagine I was this bad, I wouldn't care because that is how I roll.

:-)

[DrJ]

FWIW, out here we're in the middle of a Pineapple Express. That means there is rain for the first time in a very long time. This storm has doubled the rainfall up here in parched northern CA, though that still is not much.

There's still a few months left -- keep hope alive!

[boricuafudd]

TBT,

See that is the problem. I do know, while you are only babbling. You can't answer, so you try to obsfucate. I am from New York, I knew the area well, I got married nearby in City Hall, and went to Windows of the World to eat, after I visited my sister after work. You on the other hand, you are regurgitating things that you have read, you have no knowledge and nothing to offer, except to being irritating in a 6 year old kind of way. It's cute for a while, then it is just annoying. Bless you child!

[Truthbetold]

Yes bori, as you can see building #7 was on fire.

[Danube on iPad]

Good God. The WaPo appears to think this is a good thing. As near as I can tell, so does the Democratic party.

"Count Polly Lower among those who quit their jobs because of the health-care law.

"It happened in September, when her boss abruptly changed her job description. She went from doing payroll, which she liked, to working on her boss’s schedule, which she loathed. At another time, she might have had to grit her teeth and accept the new position because she needed the health benefits."

[DrJ]

she might have had to grit her teeth and accept the new position because she needed the health benefits.

Wait -- doesn't everyone work to get health benefits? Really? People work for another reason?

[Danube on iPad]

"If you don't know, go educate yourself."

In time you will discover that I am very bad at taking orders from fools.

"If you do answer the question."

I will answer no question until you have answered mine. That policy will never change.

[Beasts of England]

Building #7 was on fire? I thought it was brought down with some carefully placed Unobtanium...

[narciso]

Well one would have thought the Bezos Post would be better then the Carlos Slim Times,
and they may be in the long run, but you have to figure the whole network of organization of the Fenton web, wich overlaps with Soros, it's not that they are fools, Danube, but they think they can fool us,

[narciso]

I thought it was a miniature ARC reactor, goes to show what I know,

[Truthbetold]

bori

Your now going to tell me your eating habits make you a bonafide expert on this subject.

That's rich.

[Beasts of England]

She went from doing payroll, which she liked, to working on her boss’s schedule, which she loathed.

Boy, this capitalism thing is truly exploitative...

[DrJ]

Beasts,

Unbotanium? Nah, adminstratium:

The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by investigators at a major U.S. research university. The element, tentatively named administratium, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0. However, it does have one neutron, 125 assistant neutrons, 75 vice neutrons and 111 assistant vice neutrons, which gives it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons. Since it has no electrons, administratium is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every reaction it comes in contact with. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of administratium causes one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than a second.

Administratium has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons and assistant vice neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that the atomic mass actually increases after each reorganization.

Research at other laboratories indicates that administratium occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations, and universities. It can usually be found in the newest, best appointed, and best maintained buildings.

Scientists point out that administratium is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how administratium can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising.

[Ignatz]

For any even slightly rational people out there here are 130 pages of coconspiratorial coverup by the NIST.
Admittedly not as convincing as a chart of a Lego building collapsing in 6.5 seconds or a picture of a burning skyscraper but still fairly useful....if you're not insane.

[narciso]

So, the nub of the tale;

The Washington Post found Gonzalez-Novoa and Lower through Families USA, a health advocacy group that supports the health-care law and maintains a database of people who have benefited from it.

that's Ron Pollocks' outfit, who is also envolved in Enroll America, the ones who had that frankly frabjious roll out,

[Truthbetold]

Ignatz

Why don't you point everyone to the part of the NIST report that is relevant to building #7

[Rob Crawford]

I really think we need to read up son the Perons.

Ceaucescus.

[Account Deleted]

"...if you're not insane."

So... totally useless in this instance?

[Beasts of England]

lol, DrJ!

[rich@gmu]

>>>That's rich.<<<

no it's not.

nice picture Beasts.

Rick-

one third of the cohort has BAs or higher...

[Truthbetold]

rich

Meant the expression not you.

[Danube on iPad]

For those who didn't follow Iggy's link, here is the title of thevreport to whichnit leads:

"Publication Citation: Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (NIST NCSTAR 1A)"

We've got a genuine nut on our hands. He is loony enough to be oblivious to the fact that no one here has any idea what points he is trying to make, and no one cares.

Any idea what he is trying to accomplish?

[miss Marple]

Rick, they didn't run Mrs. Ceaucescu as a candidate. The Perons did.

I believe they are going to try to run Michelle.

[Ignatz]

--Ignatz

Why don't you point everyone to the part of the NIST report that is relevant to building #7--

This part;

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) last week released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.

sometimes known as "the whole frickin thing."

[Captain Hate]

it's not that they are fools, Danube, but they think they can fool us,

They're all crazier than shithouse rats. This will not end well for them no matter how delusional about the future they are.

[Truthbetold]

"the buildings failure"

Now that is rich!

[Beasts of England]

Any idea what he is trying to accomplish?

He clearly has bought into the conspiracy theory, i.e., false flag operation. I'm not sure how to combat that, other than ignoring him.

If he sticks around, I'd like to hear his explanation of how building #7 came down, since he knows. And I'd like to hear the motives of the actors: cui bono.