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February 08, 2014

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Captain Hate

Tonight's beer is Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel.

Extraneus

Sorry, Building 7, but yes - I think you should be mocked and ridiculed.

windansea

Jack is Back | February 08, 2014 at 05:22 PM

So Florida economy is equal to South Korea? Print is kinda small, not bad though, Korea's got some heavy hitters like Hyundai

Not_bubarooni

Danube, since the spirals seen in nature are well understood and the hair thingies are not, further investigation seems warranted.

Laterz!

narciso

Here's a review by his former? paper;


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/historybookreviews/10382547/Catastrophe-by-Max-Hastings-review.html

Rob Crawford

I can categorically state that no building has ever collapsed because of a fire.

Collapse is caused by gravity.

Truthbetold

Extraneus

This fire brought down building #7

Really?

narciso

Is that a readily available beer, ot more of a niche product, Captain,

Not_bubarooni

Danube, I just read your post on the sequence of numbers. I'm starting to think I was looking at the wrong thing in those pix...

Sue

Okay. We chose the older apartment with amazing views.

It is now 2-0 JiB.

Jack is Back!

TBT,

As an engineer and someone with a Masters in it and on his way to a Doctorrates, let me share a nugget of lknowledge that people of your IQ will never understand, those buildinds you describe would never have been brought down by anything but fire.

Now let me ask you something, can fire melt moment connections?

Easy guy. That is a specific engineering question not one you will find in Google.

Truthbetold

You are an idiot that knows nothing about it.

Threadkiller
This picture was emailed to me by someone who could not remember the source. It is a clever piece of deception. I suspect the picture was delibrately embellished to make fun of Fibonacci foolishness. If the person who created this would like credit, please get in touch.

The water path isn't a Fibonacci spiral, but someone has cleverly superimposed the golden rectangle on part of it that at first glance looks like it is. Look carefully. That large inner rectangle should be a square, but it is in fact wider than high. The rectangle in the upper right corner is almost a square. If you tried to cheat by reducing the horizontal magnification, you could make the large one square, but the smaller one would no longer be nearly square.

I think that's clear forensic evidence that someone was deliberately cheating, probably to make fun of what I call "Fibonacci Foolishness". The "hand-drawn" appearance of the rectangles seems contrived to disguise the cheating. (The artist should have used computer drawn clean straight lines and perfect geometry.) Such cheating is often done with the pictures of Nautilus shells seen in books (see above). A physicist would conclude immediately that this can't be a golden spiral, nor any of the textbook spirals common in physics. Textbooks of important mathematical spirals show pictures and equations for the Spiral of Archimedes, the logarithmic or equiangular spiral, the hyperbolic or reciprocal spiral, the parabolic spiral, and my favorite, the involute of a circle. The reason is simple. Such spirals are radially unbiased. In this picture gravity provides a bias (and distortion) compared to a similar process happening in a horizontal plane. Also, the source of the water, her wet hair, isn't stationary. She produces this dramatic picture by flinging her head and body rapidly upward and backward.This sort of cheating is what I object to.


If one wants to be honest one might say this picture "suggests" a golden spiral. The "fact" of it being "something like" a golden spiral tells us nothing useful about it. Deeper inquiry might lead to design of a water hose rotating about a fixed vertical axis to experimentally investigate whether this process could produce something closer to the Fibonacci spiral. I have no reason to predict that outcome with certainty. It might just be an involute of a circle. I've challenged some mathematicians with this problem, but they don't take the bait.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/pseudo/fibonacc.htm

Fuddynacci pdf spiral, I guess...

Jack is Back!

TBT proves once and for all that he his not even worthy to be a psiss pot here at JOM.

Command from HQ - Ignore!

Captain Hate on the iPad

It's pretty widely available, narc; and fairly inexpensive.

Extraneus

Do you think it was an inside job? That was the question, which had nothing to do with Building 7.

Jack is Back!

Test

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

Sadly, when I hear the name Jim McKay I first think of "They're all gone."

Apropos of nothing, when I was a kid there was a mob murder in my hometown. I was utterly shocked. I had no idea what to think.


Hearing McKay say that evoked the exact same response. It simply made no sense to me.

windansea

Clarice Feldman at Richard Perle's 4th of July party (in France)

and looking very stylish :)

Jack is Back!

3-zip

America.

Truthbetold

Extraneus

Wrong. The first question you should ask is, did our government tell us the truth?

Did fire cause #7 to collapse?

MarkO

Today I understood why DoT had a masters degree in mathematics.

But, I still like the hair.

daddy

I was going to tell the Justice Department to go "Eff" itself, but according to the ADN they already did. Here's the headline"

Justice Dept. applies same-sex rights to itself.

This will sound contrary to conventional wisdom but I am convinced that if Obama actually came out to Alaska at Begich's request, and spent 4 days or so in carefully scripted locales, he could seal Begich's re-election and improve his poll numbers in the lower 48 significantly.

He would have all the media in the state in his back pocket, since they are all to the Left (TV stations, Newspaper's). He could fly in to the 2 Military bases (Elmendorf in Anchorage and Eiseison in Fairbanks) so he would never have to deal with any uncontrolled demonstrations from any of the population.

he could arrange to speak to the local college kids UA Fairbanks or UA Anchorage) which would completely suck up his BS like normal College kids do.

he could motorcade thru Wasilla making snarky comments about Palin that the media would love to promote heavily, and he could continually say stuff like "I can't see Russia."

He could do an excellent photo Op at the closed for pollution North Poll refinery, blame it on the Koch Brothers, and meet carefully selected locals who are living on Bottled water due to the Refinery Groundwater pollution.

He could easily stand for photo-ops in NPR-A where there is bad oil pollution, dug years back by the Feds but never cleaned up, and simply talk about environmental catastrophe and Global Warming.

He could do a photo-op with the Natives at the Proposed Pebble Mine and the Media would entirely spin that for him without even trying.

He and Begich could both damn the Repub Governor for not taking Medicade/Medicare money and not creating an in-state Health Exchange, which they could then argue is going to deprive Natives in the Interior of Health care. Murkowski and Don Young would nod in agreement.

He could do a photo-op at the village built on a coastal sand bar 50 years ago (where the Corps of Engineers built a school), and talk about the natural erosion but blame it on Climate Change.

And since Begich is a great talker on his feet, at all these locations all he would have to do was say a few choice teleprompted sentences, then sit down and let Begich, who is a much better speaker, take over. Nobody in the Media would ever challenge either of them.

And everybody is still interested in our State, so it would get all the lower 48 MSM Press up here to lapdog right along.

It would be trumpeted as successful and Obama would be talked of as a courageous guy doing a gutsy move and going into the belly of the beast. Begich would have a lock on the Native Interior vote, insuring his re-election, and I think a few select others in the Lower 48 might then see if they couldn't get Obama to do something a bit similar in their cases.

I hope he does not do it, since I think it would be successful.

To the dogs. later.

Extraneus

It's ok, we know what you'd answer if you had the guts.

Now about those Bilderbergs.

Charlie Martin

Isn't that Clarice Feldman's good friend Paul Wolfowitz with the guy Clarice blames Plamegate on.

Hey, I'm a friend of Clarice's and I'm a Freemason who used to work with both CIA and NSA.

(Dude, the Bilderbergers? That is **so** 1975.)

Threadkiller

Was your written answer to Danube's question in building 7?

Get on with it. He is willing to engage, but you don't seem to be visiting JoM for debate.

I am reminded of the bear/hunter joke.

http://www.jokes.com/funny-dirty-jokes/hze5zy/yes--mr--bear

Truthbetold

Extraneus

If you think that fire brought down #7. You are a complete fool.
There is nothing to debate with you.

Threadkiller

If we all agree that fire brought down building 7, do you go away?

justified

"If we all agree that fire brought down building 7, do you go away?"

Pot/Kettle.

jimmyk

This is pretty funny from Taranto.

James Taranto ‏@jamestaranto 38m

Read the headline, then check out the author's shirttail bio. You can't make this stuff up. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/02/jobs-leisure-republicans-want-us-to-work-all-the-time-103282.html

To save you the trouble: Benjamin Kline Hunnicut is professor of leisure studies at the University of Iowa and author of The Forgotten American Dream.

Academia is becoming a parody of itself.

Sue

I don't think fire brought down bldg 7. Sasquatches did.

Rob Crawford

Sounds like Dana's a "truther"!

I guess any cause based on ignorance and bigotry will find Dana on its side...

Not_bubarooni

Dang, been reading the blog forever but haven't really checked in for awhile.

Is Tbt the current incarnation of dublindave, Dana whatshis face or a different entity???

Rob Crawford
I don't think fire brought down bldg 7. Sasquatches did.

That would explain why none of them showed up for work that day.

Threadkiller

Some believe a pot or kettle brought down building 7.

henry

No sports on tap, but we do get a look inside the Kremlin... Keep grabbing those ankles Costas! Where did I put those Firefly DVDs?

Rob Crawford
Is Tbt the current incarnation of dublindave, Dana whatshis face or a different entity???

Money is on another entity, but Dana chimes in with agreement with it from time to time. I suspect that has more to do with Dana's hatred of any group made up of happy, successful people.

Truthbetold

Sue

That's as likely to be true as fire.

narciso

well that's kind of interesting, having finished Red Fortress, of course Coastas being able to be conversant in any of this, snorfle,

henry

Mrs O'Leary's cow brought down building 7. TBT was supposed to close the barn door, but he's no better at doors than he is at investigations.

Sue

You doubt squatches were involved? Well, I've got no use for you.

justified

Some believe in Santy Claus and the Easter Bunny. But when a baby moves on to solid food, it starts to give up it's childish whims.

Rob Crawford
Mrs O'Leary's cow brought down building 7.

Poor heifer burns down Chicago and from then on gets all the blame...

Sue

Is the ladies hockey team expected to medal?

Truthbetold

Sheeple. A comment board full of sheeple who think they know it all.

henry

It was a fire Rob.

Sue

No I don't. I just asked a question.

Threadkiller

When will you be making that move to solids?

Not_bubarooni

CaptainHate, my choice tonight is Boulevard Westside Rye Ale. Boulevard is outta St.Louis and a fairly good brewery. I'm in S Indiana and I personally think they are one of the better options I'm presented with in the local market (Bloomington, IN)

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

We all know Clarice brought down Building 7. No reason to hide it anymore.

Ignatz

--She produces this dramatic picture by flinging her head and body rapidly upward and backward.This sort of cheating is what I object to.--

I think this poor guy missed the whole point of the exercise.

Charlie Martin

Okay, it's not going to be precisely *any* kind of regular spiral because the body doesn't articulate that way --the head and nect don't rotate around a point. But it pretty clearly approximates a logarithmic spiral because it appears the angle between the radius and the tangent appears roughly equal and any point.

We can see analytically that it has to be approximately a logarithmic spiral, because the velocity of the water as it's flung away varies quadratically with the distance from the head. But since it's unlikely the chick in the picture maintains a precisely constant angular velocity, that would still only be approximately.

Rob Crawford
It was a fire Rob.

Yeah, but because a cow started ONE fire doesn't mean it started ANOTHER ONE.

Even if it was filmed running from the scene.

Truthbetold

Sheeple!

Extraneus

I am reminded of the bear/hunter joke.

lol

Ignatz

Either somebody mixed their metaphors or babies eat liquified bunnies and jolly fat men.

justified

"When will you be making that move to solids?"

I don't believe in Santy Claus, or that painted eggs increase fertility, or coincidences.

narciso

It would require further close observation,

Threadkiller

So it is not a coincidence that you showed up when TbT gassed out?

The B Team.

Ignatz

That 7:47 diagram is precisely the kind of detailed engineering analysis that I have lacked to convince me that trutherism is where it's at.
Count me in Ernie.

Captain Hate on the iPad

N_B, I'm unfamiliar with that brewery (there are sooooo many) but thanks for the heads up. Last weekend I got together with my music listening buds and brought a growler of Lagunitas Brown Shugga, an American strong ale that was very popular and a good value.

Truthbetold

Ignatz

Is that because you were previously given extensive details on what cause #7 to collapse?

Threadkiller

Had this yesterday, CH:

http://alesmith.com/beers/speedway-stout/

Mmmmmmmm...

Captain Hate on the iPad

TK, I'm not that much of a stout fan (as to be contrasted with being more stout than I ever thought possible) but that cortex wrecker should be road tested at least once.

Danube on iPad

"He handled that with great class."

He sure did. The poor guy was just a lover of sports and the Olympics, and suddenly he's thrust into narrating a gruesome story of terror and murder to the world. What a fine gentleman.

Buford Gooch

Why are you folks arguing with a 17 year -old? Or am I overstimating TBT's age?

Threadkiller

Neither am I, CH. When my best good friend called to make sure I had chilled glasses ready, I knew he wasn't going to steer me wrong.

It is delicious.

Bori

Come one guys, the cat's is our of the bag. Everyone knows that the SkyDragon brought down WTC #7.

Captain Hate on the iPad

My interest is officially piqued, TK.

justified

Engineering minds often are at odds with common sense. Though brilliant in the narrow band, they become idiots as to context.

For example; notice how of all the categories of intellect which support most IQ test standards don't include Intuition. Difficult to measure? Sure, but that doesn't answer it's role in intelligence. Just because you can't show your work, yet arrive at the solution with a key-stroke, doesn't make your answer wrong.

Engineers must have cold facts and rock-solid equations before they move any needle. Careful, they are.

Sometimes you fly on your gut. My gut tells me something is rotten in lower Manhattan.

miss Marple

You know, the crAzy pills the Soviet agents put in the water are really working, albeit with delayed action. If only Dr. Zigorsky had not erred in the dosage, we would all be working in a Soviet republic.

Threadkiller

Engineers write IQ tests.

Truthbetold

Bori

Of coarse the government would never ever lie to you. You are to smart.

Ignatz

It is interesting how often the worlds of the far paleo right and far occupier left experience an intersection of common irrationality.

henry

I had the opportunity to tour the US Steel Fairless Hills complex before it shut down. Few spectacles in life match seeing an open hearth furnace tapped live. The furnace, a five story tall cube, is lined with refractory brick and filled with a big fire and lots of pig iron and scrap steel. It is tapped with dynamite, producing a river of fresh molten steel that pours into a giant bucket (also lined with brick), then into forms on rail cars.

A truth you can't handle... Fire melts steel.

Sue

Buford,

Truthfully, my argument is winning, right? It was squatches.

narciso

Stupid fracking jackalopes really frost me,
they had the plans, thanks to a mole in the FDNY

http://peterlance.com/wordpress/?p=1182

KSM who was an engineer used those plans to calculate what it would take to do the deed,
capische,

Captain Hate

TK, my fellow sots agree with you: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/396/3833/

Bori

TBT
Of "coarse" I know the government lies, they told me I could keep my health plan. I did not know that it was for my well-being of "coarse" but they could have been "truitfull".

Ignatz

Pretty thorough debunking of this idiocy with many useful links to pro and con sites and studies, including the fairly conclusive NIST.

Think I'll go read a little Orly Taitz for something that sounds sane by comparison to the "truth".

justified

I trust I haven't offended the many, many engineers who frequent JOM.

Truthbetold

henry

No one said fire does not melt steel. However, if you knew anything about steel, you would realize your argument is so simplistic it is childish.

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

So I want to understand the "truth" here. Did George Bush hire the Saudi's to bring down the 2 World Trade Center buildings and knowing that wouldn't be enough, wired building #7 to detonate on command? I tell ya, greed gets you every time.

Truthbetold

bori

That's was intended.

Threadkiller

Speaking of simplistic:

"Do you have a close personal friendship with any (past or present) top officials at the pentagon?"

Before I answer, you'll have to establish the relevance of the question.

Posted by: Danube on iPad | February 08, 2014 at 06:10 PM

Seems simple enough.

What gives TbT?

narciso

this is why the 'willful blindness' displayed in the Metcalf incident, as Noonan called it, is so worrying, what the hell is it when you cut transmission lines, and fire at generators,
a game of paintball, might not be AQ, might be ELF or Zoroastrian militants, but there's something amiss,

Sue

Jane,

To invade Afghanistan and Iraq to build a pipeline. And they are 'this' close to proving it. And have been since 9/12/2001.

boris

Poor Dana. Some dumb truther is getting all the attention and cleo can't take it.

Sue

And a middle took out the pentagon and those aboard the plane were killed elsewhere.

Truthbetold

TK

How many top officials at the pentagon do you know?

Threadkiller

CH, one of the reviews mentions that this is the base for their "barrel aged" product as well.

Apparently it sells for a shitload.

Bori

TBT
So was mine.

Sue

Missile not middle.

Buford Gooch

Yep, Sue, I think the squatches did it (but they used fire).

Threadkiller

"TK
How many top officials at the pentagon do you know?"

Before I answer, you'll have to establish the relevance of the question.

Threadkiller

Speaking of fire, I am going to lite one.

Have fun kiddos.

Truthbetold

You already have.

Danube on iPad

This shows how a Fibonacci spiral (a "volute") can be constructed graphically:

http://3.7designs.co/blog/2010/10/how-to-design-using-the-fibonacci-sequence/

Note that the area of each succeeding square is equal to the sum of the two immediately preceding squares. The spiral occurs in nature as a result of cell division, when the number of cells that divide are equal to the sum of the cells that divided on the two previous iterations. Why that happens is the subject of an entirely different discipline of which I have no knowledge.

justified

Alas I sense I have stepped on a toe or two.

Boris; gout means you're too acidic. Eat more leafy greens and less red meat.

Truthbetold

"Sometimes you fly on your gut. My gut tells me something is rotten in lower Manhattan."

justified

Structural Engineers will tell you the same thing!

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