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February 08, 2014

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rich@gmu

...by way of...anyway...

Beasts of England

A MINOR can only exist as a part of a chord.

And that's a dissonant issue with bass lines in minor-chord segments of songs. The bass sounds slightly out of key. (hope that's accurate terminology)

Beasts of England

used to work at a bar down the street but I haven't been there in years so not sure if she is still around.

Maybe we'll find out in a few weeks, rich!

Gus

IF!!! If my Grandmother could juggle Elephants, she'd be the strongest Grannie alive!!
TK, FANNIE, FREDDIE, FHA and the VA were set up to piss away YOUR MONEY, my money and the TAXPAYERS MONEY. The liberal laws and rules set up by Carter and Clinton set the table for the "pseudo-government" agencies to be the victim of potential losses that BANKS were able to off load. IF. Government and liberal ideas created a marketplace for this. And in RETROSPECT, the very GOVERNMENT that created this, now wants to PUNISH the Banks.
There are no GOOD GUYS in this, but the Government is the worst offender.

jimmyk

TK, I'd put it this way: If F&F weren't there to be "defrauded" (really to be co-conspirators in defrauding us taxpayers) then I suspect many of those mortgages would never have been made.

I don't think the home buyers were all entirely innocent either, though, as some were happy to play "heads I win, tails you lose" with lenderstaxpayers.

Danube on iPad

"You agree the governments official story is wrong?"

Reminds me of Bill Clinton on Gennifer Flowers: "Her story isn't true."

In what respect, Mr. Clinton? Did you call her 154 times during that period, instead of the 155 that she claims? Crickets....

rich@gmu

that is what I'm talking about...

Beasts in NoVa...lock your doors!

Ignatz

--Let me ask you this, if the banks did not defraud Freddie, Fannie, FHA and the VA with uninsurable products would there have been mass loans for stupid homeowners to eventually default on?--

Yes.
Now if there had not been a Fannie, Freddie et al to make such a massive market for the free money loans the Fed was making possible there would have been more discipline in the market because there would have been no de facto government backing of these supposedly independent institutions.
The horse was the feds and the cart, which was not before the horse, was the banks.
Stupid government. Stupid homeonwers who trusted them.

And good night.

jimmyk

Gus got in ahead of me, and saying much the same, just with CAPS!

rich@gmu

...am thinking about it might go there for lunch tomorrow.

Gus

Very good BEASTS!!! I play guitar, bass, piano, drums, mandolin, trumpet and other instruments. I AM a GUITAR PLAYER. I can play 3 separate chords in any given key, back to back to back, where it progresses, Major, minor, minor 7th (as an example) and the Bass has only the Major.....OR..........another NOTE entirely. It's like a complimentary side dish that BASS GUITAR!! I'm playing A, then Am, then Am7, in three back to back strums. The enterprising BASS player or the music schooled BASS player realizes, that he isn't handcuffed to A!!!

Threadkiller

You won't find me providing cover for the government entities. Even with their liberal policies to provide loans to everybody, the banks still choose to break those rules to go one step further with risky debtors.

Would-be homeowners did not cause the financial ruin of the housing sector.

Gus

Jimmy. Standing ovation!!! You said what I said. Sans CAPS. After I saw your like minded comments, I then saw your reference to me!!
Good work my friend.

Threadkiller

If homeowners are stupid for trusting the government on loans, should we be equally distrustful of the government for greater things?

Gus

Tk. Who is blaming "would be" home owners of causing this financial melt down?? These "would be" home owners are responsible for the loans that they agreed to. The benchmarks for WHO should get these loans was made unrealistically low by the GOVERNMENT not the lenders.

Gus

The Government Official Story.

Hahahahahahhaahhahahahahaahhahaa. What a loon.

Gus

Tk. You know that I love you, and that I have shown you respect, but...
<<>>
That STRAWMAN won't hunt. Terrible strawman.
TK, my friend, I do not trust the "GOVERNMENT", because the GOVERNMENT is not a person. It's a OBESE, BLOATED, BUREACRACY, and is not run by LOGIC or INTELLECT, rather by moronic STATUTE.

Threadkiller

Lets dance then, Gus.


"The benchmarks for WHO should get these loans was made unrealistically low by the GOVERNMENT not the lenders."

If the lender was following the governments benchmark, how are they guilty of lying about the quality of the loans?

daddy

I begin to see why Bollywood is so popular

Begin to see?!?

Gus

TK. Great question. Unfortunately, I believe that the answer is. It's SUBJECTIVE and POLITICAL in nature. How is ANYONE guilty? How are Lenders charged by the very GOVERNMENT that put them in a corner. TK, I get your point, I just don't think that the Federal Govt can be trusted to charge OTHERS with crimes, that the FEDERAL GOVT itself has an INTEREST IN.
It's corrupt.

Threadkiller

The banks only way out of the corner was to offer a product that was substandard to the rules created by a corrupt government?

Gus

TK, my friend. Here is how Government over reach and corruption occurs. Obamacare, requires INSURANCE COMPANIES to do things that are NOT SANE and in no way in their share holders fiduciary interests. Some companies try to comply and get in bed with Obama/Sebelius et al. They are TOAST. Obama promised YOU CAN KEEP YOUR INSURANCE. Then sets up rules that FECKING OBVIOUSLY make it IMPOSSIBLE for the INSURANCE COMPANY to be ABLE to comply. So OBAMA blames the INSURANCE COMPANY for dropping the POLICY.

Bori

TK
The answer is not so simple. In the beginning, it was fine, but as the number of loans packaged increased, so did the risks. Both should have realized what was happening. Combined with the spike, and unrealistic prices of the homes, it was a recipe for disaster. Lax policies, untamed growth, and greed from both sides (banks' profits, government-higher tax bases, votes) were the cause.

Threadkiller

Bori, underwriting rules are extensive but simple. Thresholds are met or not. Pass/fail.

The government set shitty thresholds. The bank decide to grade "fails" as "pass."

Beasts of England

I follow what you're saying Gus. I wish I could think of a song off the top of my head where it's a minor chord held for several beats with a simple corresponding major bass line - that's the sonic incongruity I had in mind. I'm sure I'll think of an example. Tomorrow. ;)

And thanks, daddy, for trying to keep it light-hearted in the midnight hour! Too late for policy. In my selfish and humble opinion, of course.

Gus

Tk. I really love your posts and comments here. I don't always agree, but I completely love your passion and your intellect.

Threadkiller

Same to you, Gus.

Goodnight.

Gus

Very good Bori. If banks had been left to their own devices, they would NEVER have made the kinds of loans that would have bankrupted themselves. In Drivers-Ed in high school, I was taught. LEAVE YOURSELF an OUT. The GOVERNMENT set up a situation where banks could DUMP bad loans without being held accountable. AND, the banks that weren't bright enough to cover their own losses via various GOVERNMENT entities, FREDDIE and FANNIE buying bundles included.....were then offered BAIL OUTS and the ability to EASILY pay those bail outs back. WHO BENEFITTED??

Gus

Beasts, a song that I always think of that decends 3 times to a minor 7th or lower is TILL THERE WAS YOU.

Gus

Bori, the Government sets the SPEED LIMIT. In a town, a local BAKER, may tell the local Cops that he wants more business via 25MPH vs a faster speed limit. There are reasons why the SPEED LIMIT gets set at what it is set at. In the case of the GOVERNMENT and MORTGATES et al, the reasons were generally PANDERING to a PERCEIVED constituency of some "Victim" status.
Then the law was passed and the REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES took hold. The POLITICIAN/party or Gubmint Bureaucrat NEVER takes the blame.

Threadkiller

The banks were on their own, Gus.

Do you refuse to accept that they loaned outside of the rules?

Gus

Another excellent question TK. I think some did and some didnt'. It's now a KANGAROO COURT. It is a witch hunt created by the very GOVERNMENT that is MOSTLY RESPONSIBLE and seeking to deflect blame and use it's power to punish others and SKATE. But TK.. God Bless you GREAT QUESTIONS and great logic. I'm not absolving banks by any stretch of the imagination. Greed is greed and looting is looting. I'm just saying that the FOX is guarding the HEN HOUSE. This was ALL CAUSED by liberal do-gooderism and the attempt to pander to those who could not get loans in the normal way. The banks were put in a position to make loans and profit and like all Capitalism, they saw opportunity. But the bottom line to me, is that GOVERMENT is on BOTH ENDS of this.

Bori

TK
I understand, but that was not the main problem as even with a pass/fail system as you said some loans were rated better than others.

Banks were aware that some loans were riskier as such there were usually kept separate from those loans that had very little risk. I'll give you an example of what I mean, Nationwide Insurance has a division called Colonial Insurance, so if you are a risky driver (accidents, dui's, tickets) you are sent to the Colonial side.

That was how sub-Prime and Prime mortgages were treated until they started bundling them into Derivatives together and the proportion of sub-Primes were higher than the Prime and defaults in the sub-Prime could not be covered by the Prime loans. You can't blame the government for that, though it was the only way for banks to continue to issue sub-Primes loans by spreading the risk.

Gus

Hey Bori. If you own an insurance company, and you are being PRESSURED to make risky loans, loans that you would not make based on your business model, bottom line etc... and the US Govt was telling you that you SHOULD lend to peeps, NOT BASED on their ABILITY to PAY, but rather their RACE/CREED/GENDER or TEETH COLOR...you'd make the loans, ONLY, if you had a way to OFFLOAD those loans. It's SIMPLE LOGIC.

Threadkiller

To use your analogy, every Colonial customer was given a Nationwide policy.

That is deceit.

Gus

and Bori, if the SAME U.S.gubmint, gave you a DEPOT that you could deliver the RISKY loans to, you would personally deliver that RISKY loans to that U.S.Gubmint, wham bam, thank you ma'am Depot!! Then!!! You'd realize that making RISKY LOANS..... Was in NO-WAY......RISKY for YOU!!!!! YAY RISKY LOANS, the GOVERNMENT guarantees them, and buys them!! And we get the COMMISSION!!!!!

Threadkiller

Again Gus I have no idea if you are understanding my point.

The banks were pressured into selling a crappy product. They took it upon themselves to sell something far worse.

Gus

Tk, I don't know that to be true or NOT to be true. I do know that NATIONWIDE is on YOUR SIDE!!

Threadkiller

JP Morgan just handed over a billion clues that it is true.

Bori

Great pieces Clarice!

Guys my brain is fried, tomorrow.

Threadkiller

Goodnight, Bori.

Gus

The MANAGER told the SALES staff to sell crappy crap crap, to the customers. The crappier the better. The Manager knew that the customer would BUY crappy shit, BECAUSE, the Customer was getting a POT METAL CREDIT CARD that would cover the CRAP that the poor risk customer wanted to buy. TK. That is all really groovy, but..... WHO ASSUMES THE RISK? The STORE MANAGER and the REGIONAL SALES DIRECTOR increase sales, and give out SHITLOADS of CRAPPY CRAP CRAPY CREDIT CARDS.
WHO ASSUMES THE RISK???
TK....WHO ASSUMED THE RISK for the MORTGAGE MELT DOWN?? Who is the party RESPONSIBLE?

Gus

Whomever loses the lawsuit OR, capitulates or settles OUT OF COURT, is rarely directly related to fault, cause nor effect.
TK, Obama has his BOOT on the NECK of BP.

Threadkiller

"The crappier the better."

Not quite.

The manager set a limit to the crap and some overzealous salesmen decide to ignore that limit.

Threadkiller

...decided...

Gus

Tk. I think you are awesome.

rich@gmu

nice pieces this morning clarice.

daddy

More "Settled Science" from the BBC:

Met Office: Evidence 'suggests climate change link to storms'

Very scary headline. So they've finally got the evidence they were looking for. Great! Lets look at that evidence.

Paragraph 1 in its entirety: Dame Julia Slingo said the variable UK climate meant there was "no definitive answer" to what caused the storms.

Paragraph 2 in its entirety: "But all the evidence suggests there is a link to climate change," she added.

Paragraph 3 in its entirety: "There is no evidence to counter the basic premise that a warmer world will lead to more intense daily and hourly rain events."

Thats the entirety of the hard evidence in the story.

We also get this that you can take to the bank:

Unsettled weather at this time of year was not unexpected - but the prolonged spell of rain, as well as the intensity and height of coastal waves, was "very unusual".

Whoa! Also this!

"We have seen some exceptional weather. We can't say it is unprecedented but it is exceptional."

If that hasn't sealed the case, then maybe this last bit will.

(Prime Minister) Cameron said he "suspected" that the recent storms to batter the UK and the extreme weather in North America were connected to global temperature changes

Case closed, right?

Well, Not entirely. (Prime Minister Cameron) subsequently clarified the remarks, saying that although "you can't point to one weather event and say that is climate change" many scientists were talking of a link between the two.

So there you have it. "many scientists were talking of a link", so just like she told us back in paragraph 2 "all the evidence suggests there is a link to climate change".

Serious question. How in the world has the BBC fallen so low as to allow drivel like this to appear in their paper? Seriously. This article wouldn't pass the stink test in my 3rd grade class.

Pee You.

And of course the BBC doesn't allow readers to comment on this fact filled story.

G'nite.


pagar

Thanks, Clarice!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/02/demonomics.html

pagar

Daddy @ 06:17, I believe JiB explained where the evidence was with the comment in the Ebbing and Flowing with Woody Allen article.

"
The weatherman replied, 'The Indians are collecting a shitload of firewood'

Posted by: Jack is Back | February 08, 2014 at 03:47 PM"

clarice

Thanks, guys!

James D.

Great Pieces, as usual, Clarice!

James D.

daddy, the BBC hasn't "sunk" to that level; it's been there for years.

Neo

July 2012:

A Dorchester state representative was arrested this morning on domestic assault charges after an altercation with a woman as they were driving near a Northeastern University dormitory, Boston police said.

Representative Carlos Henriquez was arrested at about 4:30 a.m. on charges of domestic assault and battery and domestic kidnapping, said Boston Police Officer James Kenneally, a department spokesman.

Kenneally said that Henriquez and the woman began arguing after she asked him to drive her home, and that Henriquez attacked her. The woman jumped out of the car and flagged down a Northeastern University police officer in the area of 21 Forsyth St., police said.

The unidentified woman told officers that Henriquez punched her while they were in the car, according to authorities. She received medical attention at the scene, but was not taken to a hospital, Kenneally said.

Flash forward:

The NAACP, New England Area Conference (NEAC), respectfully requests that the Massachusetts House of Representatives abstain from voting in the matter of the expulsion of Representative Carlos Henriquez, expected to come before the House today. In the alternative, Members of the House are asked to vote against the expulsion of their colleague.

There are two basis on which NEAC makes the request. Firstly, the matter of expulsion is premature since Representative Henriquez's case is under appeal. The House of Representatives must respect the Massachusetts judicial process and let Representative Henriquez's case before the Appeals Court proceed, without jumping to judgment before the appellate decision is rendered.

Secondly, while NEAC respects the jury's decision, there is currently no rule for expulsion that applies to misdemeanor convictions. Representative Henriquez was duly elected by the electorate and there is no legal basis upon which the House of Representatives can properly act.

Delaying any decision on the House Ethics Committee's recommendation at this time would allow for a fair process to take place, as required under the law. Reasonable citizens of the Commonwealth respect the decision of a just jury trial and they also expect a fair and reasoned decision by the Massachusetts House of Representatives.

... who knew that the NAACP supports the War On Women

The result:

The Massachusetts House voted today to expel Representative Carlos Henriquez, a Dorchester Democrat who had been convicted on two counts of misdemeanor assault in a July 2012 attack on a woman he knew.

The House voted, 146-5, after about an hour and a half of debate that included Henriquez taking the floor to declare his innocence.

“The truth always remains the same. The truth is, I never touched my accuser in any way, at any point in time, that would result in harm or injury,” he said in remarks that lasted about six minutes. “Although a jury found me guilty ... it does not change my truth.”

Steve

VERY, VERY COOL!
1,000 High School Students Sing US National Anthem on 18 Floors of Hotel

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/02/very-very-cool-1000-high-school.html

jimmyk

The banks were pressured into selling a crappy product. They took it upon themselves to sell something far worse.

Missed the late shift's continuing discussion of the housing stuff. I'm sure Gus and TK aren't here now, but: I think the key point TK misses (or just disagrees with) is my Louis Renault comment. F&F knew, or at suspected, that there was "gambling going on," but didn't care, because they were getting their "winnings" too. Franklin Raines and others got rich off their institutions supposedly being defrauded. Then when the music stopped they pretended to be "shocked!" and filed these lawsuits. They have to do that as part of their innocent act. And as Gus says, the banks have no choice but to settle as the government effectively has a gun to their heads.

henry

In some cases the banks acquired the fraud (Countrywide) in their rush to be big, bigger, biggest, other cases the govt made them acquire the fraud in 2009. The Dem cronies behind some of these frauds got even less punishment than Corzine (again, look at Countrywide). Heavy regulation means lots of corruption all around.

clarice

Yup==There's a lesson there Jimmyk..what about more principled banks that refused to make substandard loans even though that meant they'd be denied the right to expand into a gazillion branches? Did they come out better ror worse I wonder?

anonamom

daddy, both my sons took Latin--the older, at his mother's insistence. (Who posted that his girls "wouldn't"? What's with letting ninth graders make those kinds of choices?)
Older son had much potential that was not being cultivated in the slacker class he was a member of.
He also took Spanish from middle school on.
His younger brother saw what a world the Latin teacher opened to his older brother, and took it without my "encouragement." Served them both very very well. For completely unconnected financially privileged white males, they've done well in the admission lotteries. (Or maybe we've been suckered--somebody has to pay full freight to keep those administrators employed, right?)

You've brought back wonderful memories of my boys and their friends conversing in Latin here in my kitchen, as well as (correctly) guessing the meaning of words, and explaining to their ignorant mother how northern Europe was settled. It's also helped them both easily learn Italian, which allowed all of us have some wonderful, de-stressed vacations. Nothing like having your offspring function as tour guides somewhere you can't read a thing on any signs in the train station!

jimmyk

Good question, Clarice. I have the impression they all knuckled under to the CRA as the price of doing business. Not all went the extra mile and played ball with Fannie and Freddie, but enough did to feed the beast and keep it happy for a few years.

Mickey Spillane

TBT,

Do you know Cantor Seinuk at WSP or David Childs at Skidmore Owings Merrill?

peter

Great pieces, Clarice. I don't know how you find the time to write when you are so busy with all of your conspiracies.

FLOTUS, like all good dictator-utopianists, like Castro, like Elena Ceaucescu, fancies herself an expert on everything, and is now offering parental advice (LUN) to Justin Bieber's parents. ( I thought JB was raised by a single mom.) Anyway, if I were Justin Bieber's mother, I'd tell Moochelle to mind her own damn business.

clarice

Thank you, peter.. Once I figured out that metal couldn't melt or lose its strength when warmed up with lots of jet fuel, I had plenty of free time on my hands.

narciso

Recall that Franklin Raines and Gorelick, collected 'their winnings' long ago, and no one is interested in going after them, the parallel about the Morolto family, going after Bendini, Lambert and Locke, in the Firm,

Great pieces Clarice,

Jack is Back!

For daddy and anonamom,

"Latin is a dead language,
as dead as it can be.
First it killed the Romans,
Now its killing me."

Miss Marple

By the way, where is Janie Gorelick now? She was at Fanny and Freddy, then the 9/11 commission where she ran interference for Bill Clinton, and was a legal counsel for BP in the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill. All of this after being Clinton's EG and writing that "Wall" memo which handicapped the intelligence agencies.

I just want to know what boards she sits on now so I don't mistakenly invest in those companies.

Miss Marple

OH, Gorelick was the lawyer for Duke University in the Lacrosse scandal!

henry

My nieces all took Latin, and babble away in it when they are up to something. I got a D in Latin in college, only because my roommate was a Latin & History major -- he withheld beer until I got enough right to pass the final. (Rich, not necessarily a helpful study tip).

narciso

Last I checked, she was attorney for Sallie Mae, so she has skill in fronting I mean representing bubbles.

anonamom

In BoA's case, "the government" (?Paulson, I believe)
FORCED them to buy Merrill Lynch when it was clear after their due diligence that they shouldn't--has taken years for that all to become public record. Mainly a result of a shareholder's suit.

Now, I think Ken Lewis et. al. bought Countrywide on their own, and the combo of those two moves devastated many a neighbor's retirement plans here.

As has been laid out, it is policy, coercion and intimidation by "the government" that laid the foundation for what happened, supported by the apparent innate greed of the majority who get to the top of the financial industry that laid out the taxpayers and stockholders disaster.

I've got a number of financially informed partners. We all live(d) by lots of people in fiance, and many our kids' friends' parents worked for the two big banks. (Before they all got laid off from 2000-2010. Steep pyramid; appears to me only the truly ethicless last.)

What was coming was evident to many of my
partners a few years before it happened. One asked his neighbor who was one of the real estate bigwigs at one of the banks what the hell they were doing with these sub prime mortgage bundles, after both had been drinking for hours.

"No worries. The government won't let us fail."


jimmyk on iPad

Raines made $90M at Fannie. Before that the was James Johnson, who made $200M. Plus both got big cut-rate loans from Countrywide, as I recall. I'm sure both were shocked.

anonamom

JiB, you probably were required to take Latin, no?

(Am I remembering correctly that you went to Catholic school in the late "50s through the '60s?)

I (unfortunately) just missed that.

Captain Hate on the iPad

Mrs H took Latin in high school and read The Aeneid, a translation of which my book group is reading. She can lord that over me if she wants but at some point lost the aptitude for learning languages as past trips to France convincingly proved.

henry

As I recall, ACORN funneled "homeowners" into sub prime loans. Scams from bottom to top.

Jack is Back!

anonamom,

4 years latin AND greek. Jesuits have this thing about the classics. Never could figure that out:)

Captain Hate on the iPad

Letting Gorelick be on the 9/11 panel instead of being investigated by it was an early heads up on what gelded eunuchs the Repukes were when push came to shove. Nattering nancy boys, every effing one of 'em.

Jack is Back!

From book IV of the Aeneid by Virgil:

Tum Iuno omnipotens longum miserata dolorem
difficilisque obitus Irim demisit Olympo
quae luctantem animam nexosque resolueret artus.
nam quia nec fato merita nec morte peribat,
sed misera ante diem subitoque accensa furore,
nondum illi flauum Proserpina uertice crinem
abstulerat Stygioque caput damnauerat Orco.
ergo Iris croceis per caelum roscida pennis
mille trahens uarios aduerso sole colores
deuolat et supra caput astitit. 'hunc ego Diti
sacrum iussa fero teque isto corpore soluo':
sic ait et dextra crinem secat, omnis et una
dilapsus calor atque in uentos uita recessit

Truthbetold

'Even somebody as stupid as me'

Ignatz

You are right about one thing. If you think fire caused building #7 to collapse straight down, free fall speed, into its own footprint.

You are beyond stupid!

peter

Attention all JOMers. There's a Gary Taubes article in today's Slimes.

So you can anticipate at least one new thread.

Jack is Back!

TBT,

Where did you get your engineering degree?

You are a complete moron. i am laughing at everyone of your idiotic theories which have no efficacy in engineering theory and practice. The best and brightes forensci engineers in the country did the NIST analysis and report. Who do you have?

Jiunk science tin foil hat jerks?

Truthbetold

JIB

I bet you believe in global warming as well. Jack--s.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Jesse Jackson's group was suing banks too.

But so what? We know all this....& there sit Raines & Johnson & Jesse Jackson is still talking on TV.
Barnie Frank got his boyfriend a position at Fannie Mae...& so what?
Nothing is ever done. There are no consequences.
It was one of the Kennedys that started up the NCRC - http://www.ncrc.org/

The National Community Reinvestment Coalition is a certified 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.

So the left continues on...nothing changes.
Conservatives are good at writing thick books about the corruption & the lawlessness of the left...they can even prove how terrible the ideas were/are for America....but it doesn't seem like we know what to do to STOP them.

Truthbetold

Janet

Wake up. They don't want to stop them!

henry

Be careful, TBT is an expert in the use of phlogiston.

Extraneus

Blowhardiston, too.

Truthbetold

henry, for whatever reason, does not believe his own eyes.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

The NCRC gets all kinds of taxpayer money too.

It is overwhelming...

Truthbetold

Is it safe to say that everyone on this comment board believes in global warming?

Ignatz

--Ignatz

Why don't you point everyone to the part of the NIST report that is relevant to building #7

Posted by: Truthbetold | February 08, 2014 at 11:01 PM --

Have you found the relevant part yet?

Truthbetold

Ignatz

Do you believe in global warming?

Ignatz

I count around 200 investigative contributors to the NITS 7 report including eight outside contractors responsible for much of the modeling and testing.
Are they all part of the conspiracy?

They all are publicly listed.
Why don't you develop a source amongst the co-conspirators?

sbwaters

I count at least two references so far to He Who Shall Not Be Named today.

sbwaters

More since I last refreshed.

Truthbetold

Ignatz

Should I explain the global warming BS to you as well?

Sue

Narciso,

Rosie O as a squatch. Well played my friend, well played.

henry

At least the AGW guys faked some evidence and tuned models to back the fake. Where is your fake evidence on WTC 7?

Truthbetold

Sue

I know you believe in "man made global warming"

Truthbetold

Henry

That's a real intelligent point you make there. Why would anyone argue with that?

Sue

TBT,

Do you believe in man made global warming?

Ignatz

--Ignatz

Do you believe in global warming?--


Absolutely. The science does seem settled and irrefutable that the planet has warmed slightly in the last 100 years.

Why is an open question and the idea that the world will be damaged catastrophically by human induced global warming is not supported by sound science, so I don't "believe in" CAGW.

That WTC 7 was brought down by uncontrolled fires which raged inside it for ~six hours seems scientifically sound and not refuted by a single shred of credible contrary evidence.
Note the difference; I follow the most credible science and research. Give it a try.

I believe things which appear to be scientifically sound and not driven by retarded ideologies and conspiracy theories nor even my own political beliefs if the evidence is contrary to those.
Just ecause Michael Mann et al are ideologues corrupting science, it does not follow that every bit of research by every scientist or engineer in the employ of the government is corrupt.
Your ideology drives you to that spurious position.
Suppress it.
Your brain will thank you.

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