Science Comes To The Supremes

The Supreme Court listened to arguments about the EPA's authority to regulate carbon dioxide at their won discretion and a science puzzle was aired:

But Jonathan F. Mitchell, the solicitor general of Texas, which challenged the regulations along with other states, said a faithful interpretation of the statute would require that its permit requirements be imposed “on the corner deli or the Chinese restaurant or a high school building.”

“Congress does not establish round holes for square pegs,” he said.

Justice Breyer and Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wondered if the law might reach high school football games.

Mr. Verrilli drew the line there. “Just an aside on the high school football game,” he said. “Human beings are actually net neutral on carbon emissions, and you will need a chemist to explain that to you.”

That seemed to hearten Justice Breyer. “This has been very helpful,” he said. “I learned I’m not a net emitter of carbon dioxide. Believe me, because that means I’m a part of sustainable development.”

Remember, we are talking about carbon dioxide; folks who have had the pleasure of spending time with large groups of teenage boys, as at a football game, may have questions about net methane emissions.

But as to carbon dioxide, humans are clearly exhaling more than they are inhaling. However, we are given a pass because of the overall food cycle; Slate explains:

Human beings do exhale almost 3 billion tons of carbon dioxide annually, but the carbon we exhale is the same carbon that was "inhaled" from the atmosphere by the plants we consume. (When we eat meat, we're still eating the same carbon, except that it passes through livestock on its way into our mouths and out into the atmosphere.) The only way to add to the carbon in the atmosphere is to take it from a sequestered source like fossil fuels—where it has been safe from the atmosphere for millions of years—and combust it. So breathe easy.

We se the same answer from these Spanish scientists:

As regards emissions, "human excrements have a net null effect on global warming, as they are offset by carbon fixation in photosynthesis. As a result, they do not contribute to increasing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere."

The EPA may have other problems with Friday Night Lights, but the human crowds won't be one of them.

 

Comments

[MarkO]

Further affiant sayeth naught.

[squaredance]

This, of course, will end up in utter stupidity. The SCOTUS will, by hook or by crook, uphold both the Climate Change Cult, and Statism. IT will be a worse and more abiding disaster for the USA than Obamacare.

It is similar to the the practice of chasing off solar eclipses with drums and trumpets.

We will now have the Feds regulating the very air. Not even the Nazis or the Soviets were so bold.

When this goes through, what are rational people to do?

(And remember, the GOP will be useless--just like it is turning out to be in the case of Obamacare.)

Madness, just pure madness.

The nation is committing suicide right before our very eyes.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

SCOTUS net neutral CO2? perhaps, but only because the verbal bombast of Breyer and kennedy (and sometimes Scalia) is offset by Clarence Thomas's silence.

[narciso]

hence the subtext of the Steyn witchtrial, if he drown he's innocent, if he lives, he's a witch,

[Danube on iPad]

Madness.

[Comanche Voter]

I dunno. There's a lot of methane in the yammering of the climate change crowd. Can smell it from here--like a fresh wind off a feed lot.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Steyn is a demagogue and has a big mouth(I believe he's proud of those things.) Now that Mann has stiped to being a public figure, he'll have to prove that Steyn had the deliberate and actual malice to deprive Mann of his economic livelihood through the publication of false and defamatory statements. Does anyone doubt Steyn didn't harbor that actual malice? I don't. the case will come down to the false nature of Steyn's statements. steyn isn't nearly as precise as McIntyre (who is), Steyn could legitimately be at risk here.

[rse]

I just put up a link of a November 2013 keynote address on Mindfulness Practices in Education that states at about the 5 minute mark that the polar ice thinning and seal level rise charts show the need to create new kinds of minds via education. So we can avoid extinction.

This is all the excuse for the long sought transformation. Governments at all levels, Big Business, and the NGOs just want us all to submit. I cannot believe future teachers at UVa are being taught by someone who believes that what the world needs now is the cultivation of 'collective will.'

It really would help if SCOTUS was not in a deferral mode to the EPA's insanities coupled to those of DoED.

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

I agree with squaredance.

[Jim Eagle]

The rise in the price of gasoline hasn't resulted in one Congressman or POTUS to lose his job since 2008.

When Electricity prices start to rise 25 to 40% the LIV lemmings will accept it as part of living with Hope and Change. I too believe SCOTUS will send this back to Congress to either repeal or clarify or reform or do nothing.

Because if EPA decides to fully enfore these emissions it will affect over 50% of our base-load generation (which is coal-fired). Then they will go after NOx so you kiss natural gas goodbye.

I read something today that Hansen at NASA had an ephinany about how the renewable energy proponents (Greens) were pushing levels of dispatch in order to stymie Nuclear since you can't throttle nuclear but it needs to run full out.

Just like with gun control and speech, the left are relentless.

[Ranger]

In very tangentially related news, when is a Tax not a Tax? When it's simply not collected of course.

IRS Enforcement of 'Individual Mandate' May Be Light

http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/irs_enforcement_of_individual_mandate_may_be_light-231023-1.html?popular=true&cdn_load=true&zkPrintable=1&nopagination=1

So, it looks like the IRS is basically announcing that they are waiving the individual mandate on their own this year.

[Miss Marple]

Rick Perry's comments on what he heard at the governor's meeting from Obama.

There is a video at the site as well:

http://therightscoop.com/rick-perry-i-was-troubled-today-by-the-tone-of-the-president/

[Account Deleted]

"It really would help if SCOTUS was not in a deferral mode to the EPA's insanities coupled to those of DoED."

It would be even more helpful if the Nine Ninnies arrived in a little bitty car and emerged wearing great big red noses and size 18 shoes. That would provide the air of awesome solemnity their fervent search for penumbral emanations deserves.

[Bori]

Huffpo has found other Walker scandals

http://twitchy.com/2014/02/25/hop-into-the-wayback-machine-and-check-out-these-huffpowalkerscandals/

[Jane]

Bori,

That's great!

[soopergloo]

Too much CO2....too little water.......for the exponential increases in human activity. Doesn't Nature thin the herd when overpopulation threatens the ecosystem? We're no more than wildebeasts on the scale of Nature's important priorities.

I'm sure there are more important people who can understand the loss of less important people. They want to assist Nature's sense of priorities.

[Beasts of England]

Another bi-product of the internal combustion engine is water. Pure water. Ever look at your exhaust tips when you start the car? Water. That's also why mufflers rust.

CH4(g) + 2O2(g) → CO2(g) + 2H2O(g)

I wonder why I've never seen any discussion about that positive bi-product, considering how darned precious water is. Maybe we need more cars in California?

Rocket engines do even better - no CO2 release at all.

2H2(g) + O2(g) → 2H2O(g)

Maybe we need more NASA in California?

[Miss Marple]

I have never understood why there is a hole in the ozone in the atmosphere but too much ozone on the ground.

Ozone is the same ozone, so why doesn't the ozone rise to fill the hole? Or if it is too heavy to do so, then why doesn't the ozone fall to earth?

And why are auto exhausts both the cause of too much ozone and the hole?

[Bori]

Soopergloo,

I think you have the argument backwards, if we got rid of all the smarty pants, inventing stuff like civilization, then man would return to its more primitive self.

It's the educated that are the problem.

[Beasts of England]

The hole in the ozone was due to aerosols (or that was the claim), not sure it was ever blamed on autos, Miss Marple.

[Jim Eagle]

MM,

The so-called Ozone doughnut hole over the Antarctic is basically from methane emissions from millions of sheep in New Zealand:)

Dixie Lee Ray, did a really great analysis in her book Trashing the Planet. Hard to believe that at one time the State of Washington was sane enough to have elected her Governor. Brilliant lady.

[Jim Eagle]

Hey BoE - "Bebe Rebozo":)

[Miss Marple]

Beasts, around here we have "Ozone alerts" where we are told we should not let our cars run idle in drive-throughs and that we should avoid using gas-powered mowere until after 6PM.

[henry]

Thanks Bori, I needed that. Voter ID lawsuits are in oral arguments at the WI SC. MacIver is tweeting the questions, the inanity!

[glasater]

Careful there soopergloo…you might be one of the first culled from the herd with that kind of thinking.

[Threadkiller]

"SOS California is a non-profit organization dedicated to reducing the environmental impact of natural gas and oil seep pollution on our ocean, our beaches, and our air quality, through education and awareness.

Our goal is to alert the public to the magnitude of natural seep pollution in the Santa Barbara Channel, and to the availability of an invaluable resource to fund environmental cleanup and develop alternative energy sources. It is through collaboration with an informed public that we can build the bridge to a healthy and sustainable future."

http://www.soscalifornia.org/

Save the world by drilling? The EPA will have none of that.

Be sure to look at the whole website for facts you may have never known.

[Threadkiller]

The ozone scam was about Freon.

[clarice]

NK,, I think "actual malice" will be difficult to prove. Even our beloved leader made fun of the Mann hockey stick. There was much evidence that it was hooey and Watts up and Climate audit were reliable critics. I'm more concerned about the counterclaim, but even there courts here regularly give lots of leeway on pleadings done pro se (by litigants acting on there own). Also NRO is a co-defendant and does have counsel.

[glasater]

Dixie Lee Ray, did a really great analysis in her book Trashing the Planet.

And she had a D behind her name, JIB. Back in the days when D's had some sanity.

[soopergloo]

“Half a league, half a league,
  Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death,
  Rode the six hundred.
‘Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns’ he said:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.
‘Forward, the Light Brigade!’
Was there a man dismay’d?
Not tho’ the soldiers knew
  Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
  Volley’d and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
  Rode the six hundred.”.

[Miss Marple]

The environmental thing is a giant criminal enterprise, I am convinced.

It's just an excuse to siphon money to cronies while weakening the US and bankrupting businesses.

I would not be surprised to find out that many of the donors are foreign nationals, like the Saudis and the Iranians.

[clarice]

You betcha, MM--or commies thru Fenton's Tides.

[rse]

Ozone scam- was also a trial balloon to see if a global sense of crisis could be generated that would force govts to take action around a so-called issue of science.

You can guess what it was a trial for. Not a matter of speculation. I have seen that as the admitted reason.

[Beasts of England]

Maybe henry can tell us about humans being net-neutral. Still doesn't seem correct to me, but I don't claim a lot of chemistry expertise...

lol, JiB!

[Thomas Collins]

The Ptolemaic system of celestial body movements has more scientific integrity than the "science" of the global warming true believers. And the global warming true believers are more stuck in their view than those who attacked Kepler's and Galileo's work.

[rse]

On the NGA conference and bo's tone. That;s why the feds are misusing the civil rights and disabilities laws and poorly understood language in NCLB waivers and coordinating with accreditors and foundations to control the actual classroom ed implementation.

I am supposed to go to a program on the Promise Zones next week and will be listening hard for yet another usurpation by the feds.

I also got confirmation this morning that all the ed reforms are seen as connected to the new shareable, collaborative economy. Late in document of one of the co-sponsors of Reimagining Ed with DoED.

The Marxist revolution is in high gear and bo was petulantly telling all govs yesterday they may not oppose it.

[Bori]

"Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:"

This must be the Progressive Motto.

[Beasts of England]

Ozone is O3(g), Miss Marple - I don't see that as part of the exhaust bi-products from cars. Again, maybe someone else has a better explanation...

[henry]

Beasts, carbon just passes through us... on loan from mother nature. This silliness does make me wonder if by unicorn accounting a landfill should be considered a carbon sink -- all that plastic and paper (lots of carbon) safely placed under ground (ignore that methane libs, you don't live downwind from a landfill anyway).

[Bori]

Here's James Hansen's quote:

"The asymmetry finally hit me over the head when a renewable energy advocate told me that the main purpose of renewable portfolio standards (RPS) was to “kill nuclear”.
I had naively thought that the purpose was simply to kick-start renewables. Instead, I was told, because utilities were required to accept intermittent renewable energies, nuclear power would become less economic, because it works best if it runs flat out.
So natural gas wins, nuclear loses, and climate loses by Hansen’s math because….
What to do when the wind is not blowing? The answer was: have a as plant ready as back-up. In other words, replace carbon-free nuclear power with a dual system, renewables plus gas. With this approach CO2 emissions will increase and it is certain that fracking will continue and expand into larger regions."

http://www.masterresource.org/2014/02/is-the-environmental-movement-net-co2-positive-james-hansen-wants-to-know/#sthash.Te6wvfBM.dpuf

[Beasts of England]

Gotcha, henry. But, that's exactly the same with combustion engines - the carbon just passes through the engine and is released as CO2(g), exactly the same as humans; so, by that claim, combustion engines would be equally net-neutral.

Ugh. Maybe I should stick with economics theory. ;)

[matt]

In other news, the United Nations today voted to ban carbonated drinks in order to "save the planet".

A study by the UN Panel on Climate Change reported that carbonated drinks emit over 4.5 megatons of CO2 into the atmosphere yearly. The volume is so high that a number of major islands such as Guam may spontaneously overturn and pigs might fly.

[Danube on iPad]

"Does anyone doubt Steyn didn't harbor that actual malice? I don't."

Are you saying that he did, or he didn't?

[henry]

Well, the claim is engines burn carbon that was safely underground while humans use carbon already in the air (we don't eat rocks apparently). Granted, it is more bumper sticker than science.

[Jane]

DOT,

Do you recall the criteria for a gag order?

[Beasts of England]

That's where they lost me, henry. I thought they were saying that we process the CO2(g) from our diet, i.e., carbon that was safely in the ground. Not much carbon at all in the atmosphere, right? 78% N2(g), 21% O2(g), 1% Ar(g), and everything else is trace.

Anyway, certainly not arguing with you henry, just dazed and confused.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Clarice-- actual malice is very difficult to prove... once a party is declared a public figure, they usyually give up. But Steyn's prose are so.... ahem... assertive, Mann and his Lefty lawyers may give it a shot.

[Account Deleted]

"just dazed and confused"

Oh. So you're in line for nomination to the Supreme Court, eh? Prove it - tell us about the biggest penumbral emanation you've ever discovered.

[Danube on iPad]

No I don't, Jane. The one in that hospital case seems awfully weird, though.

[Beasts of England]

Let me just say one more thing about the carbon dioxide kerfuffle and then I'll shut up about it. Here's the breakout in parts per million of the top four atmospheric gases:

Nitrogen: 780,000
Oxygen: 210,000
Argon: 9,340
Carbon Dioxide: 380

That's some pretty darned magical 380 parts per million to be changing the weather and causing hurricanes and flooding, right? And considering that more than ninety-percent of the CO2(g) is not anthropogenic, it's a real stretch of the hallucination to give the AGW hypothesis much credence.

/rant

[matt]

No, we generate methane, which everyone knows will be the next climate target. Or am I just confused? What is the gas of the week?

If you are driving up the I-5 just south of the Bay Area feeder freeways, you will certainly find that methane is a clear and present danger to those in proximity to the feed lots and dairys.

[Beasts of England]

...tell us about the biggest penumbral emanation you've ever discovered.

I've sworn off talking about my sex life, Rick. Sorry. ;)

[Captain Hate]

Well, the claim is engines burn carbon that was safely underground while humans use carbon already in the air (we don't eat rocks apparently). Granted, it is more bumper sticker than science.

I wonder how many of these alchemists in training understand that carbon is an element and a fixed quantity.

[Old Lurker]

Per Beasts 12:44:

To continue his math:

So dividing C02 into natural vs man made,
man made at 10% is 38 parts per million.

Let's say the most draconian world wide plan to reduce that 38 could save 25% of it...

So all this to save 10 parts in one million?

Got it....

[Captain Hate]

When you're a donk and you've lost Richard Cohen, you're officially circling the bowl:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-susan-rice-and-the-retreat-of-american-power/2014/02/24/e9d347dc-9d82-11e3-9ba6-800d1192d08b_story.html

[Jim Eagle]

If you live in the humid regions with a potential for mold you will need an Ozone Generator to attack the smell, dampness etc. Whenever their is major water damage in a home you'll see the ServPro guys haul out their generators.

Pretty common down here in Florida. Saw a display at Lowe's the other day.

[Beasts of England]

Exactly, OL!!

[Old Lurker]

10 parts per million is like removing one seat in a 100,000 seat football stadium.

[Jane-curling is done!]

Dot,

The more I hear about that case the more it makes me sick to my stomach. So many things like that are going on. It's frightening.

[Danube on iPad]

Notwithstanding the leeway often allowed for pro se parties, I wouldn't think a court would go so far as to allow a party to plead a cause of action that is not allowed otherwise. I expect the court will grant a motion by Mann to dismiss Steyn's counterclaim, and tell Steyn he can file it later if, and only if, he successfully defends against Mann's suit.

[Account Deleted]

Mann Gets Punched Back

Hit 'em again.

This is why Steyn's move, although the cause of much tsking among legal professionals, is going to prevail. Mann can't keep his mouth shut and he can't keep both feet out of it when it's open.

[Danube on iPad]

I would love to see the GOP house pass a bill raising the minimum wage to $25/hr. Then let the Dems explain why they won't go along.

[Bori]

According to the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food, the optimum levels of CO2 for plants is between 500 ppm and 1300 ppm in a greenhouse.

"Ambient CO2 level in outside air is about 340 ppm by volume. All plants grow well at this level but as CO2 levels are raised by 1,000 ppm photosynthesis increases proportionately resulting in more sugars and carbohydrates available for plant growth."

Why do they hate plants so much?

[Old Lurker]

Who says they wouldn't, DoT?

[Danley Wolfe]

The claim is that humans are net zero emitters from their excrement. Sounds like crap to me. Fifty-one percent of the world population lives in municipalities where human excrement is consumed in municipal waste treatment plants which utilize aerobic fermentation (with CO2 as a product). In the countryside not much human waste is used as fertilizer, rather it is dumped onto the ground, e.g., from a two or three holer, in which case microorganisms in the soil and environment consume it also producing CO2 as waste.

[lyle]

So...the root cause of all this AGW is actually just shit? That explains a lot.

[Ignatz]

--Beasts, around here we have "Ozone alerts" where we are told we should not let our cars run idle in drive-throughs and that we should avoid using gas-powered mowere until after 6PM.--

MM, ground level ozone is produced by sunlight {UV} reacting with certain pollutants. It essentially stays at ground level and never reaches the stratosphere where the naturally occurring ozone layer is.
The natural layer is also formed by UV light reacting with certain naturally occurring chemicals in the atmosphere.

[narciso]

Mann did indeed 'molest the truth' with the hockey stick, which he has jammed us up, in a special place;

http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/25/how-to-explain-whats-happened-in-ukraine-to-your-friends/

[daddy]

Remember the UAW losing the Unionization vote in Tennessee last week, 712-626, after having been granted the unprecedented ability for the UAW to set up a vote drive office inside the plant, but denied unionization opponents similar space?

Remember all that?

Well we get this from Time Mag today:

The UAW petitioned the National Labor Relations Board Friday for a revote at the Tennessee Volkswagen plant where workers, 712-626, rejected its bid for unionization. The UAW is accusing Republicans of potentially illicit interference. It has a point. But even if the UAW wins this battle, that doesn’t mean it’ll win the war for its future.

The NLRB, which is stacked with union-supporting Democrats, is expected to grant the UAW’s request.

But of course.

[maryrose]

Holder ruling from the bully pulpit again wrt states enforcing laws against gay marriage.
Who does he think he is? President?
All dem AGs now have an excuse to ignore the laws of their states. All repub AGs will keep the laws as is. That is why it was so important for I believe Obanshain to win in Virginia.

[rich@gmu]

It was Herring (with some found votes up near Janet). It was also something they target marketed up here in NoVa (think I've mentioned it, but can tell my slice of heaven is starting to turn lavender).

[maryrose]

rich@gmu:
I knew that after the fake recount that Herring won.My post was one of regret. Repubs have to realize with regard to political offices every win counts. If Cuccinelli and Obenshain were now in place Virginia would be in a better situation. As it is tyranny will reign. I still can't believe McAwful won.

[Ignatz]

--That's some pretty darned magical 380 parts per million to be changing the weather and causing hurricanes and flooding, right? And considering that more than ninety-percent of the CO2(g) is not anthropogenic, it's a real stretch of the hallucination to give the AGW hypothesis much credence.--

Yeah, but the extra 10% has increased CO2 levels from around 240 in the 19th century to 380 today.
And we do have a basic idea of how much extra heat is captured by that much CO2 in a simple static [unnatural] system.
What we have no real idea of is what the effect will be in a complex system with many competing and codependent feedback systems, not to mention what the influence of the sun, interstellar cosmic rays, oceanic oscillations and other influences largely outside any greenhouse gas loop might be. Nor do we know what any warming's effect will be on water vapor which is by far the most influential greenhouse gas.
We have no real idea what a doubling of CO2 will do to temperatures only a broadly uncertain range of guesses.
It will probably, but not definitely, lead to some slight warming, which almost certainly will be a benefit to humans and the planet.

There is no problem to be solved except for the end of our current inter glacial period and the end of our largely ice free northern continents. When the inter glacial comes to an end we may be wishing CO2 was a far more potent greenhouse gas than it is.

[rich@gmu]

sorry maryrose. don't start ranting like Captain Hate;)

McAwful is going to string that offshore drilling group along. It is going to suck for the next few years.

[narciso]

as part of the hrmuph about Cuccinelli, the down
the line vote was weaker, Of course, because Cuccinelli had challenged Sky Dragon fraud, he became a target

[Captain Hate]

Holder ruling from the bully pulpit again wrt states enforcing laws against gay marriage.
Who does he think he is? President?

I think he and the Ferret are co President. Gaylord Focker just gives speeches, goes to fundraisers, golfs and yammers about sports.

[Jane-curling is done!]

Who says they wouldn't, DoT?

That would be my fear too. I'd say go for $100 but I'm not sure they wouldn't pass that as well.

[rich@gmu]

we had flurries this morning.

your global warming minute.

[Captain Hate]

sorry maryrose. don't start ranting like Captain Hate;)

You're the one who mentioned the "found votes" which is right in my wheelhouse. The sooner the Repubs learn how to shut that garbage down, the better off they'll be.

[jimmyk]

I thought they were saying that we process the CO2(g) from our diet, i.e., carbon that was safely in the ground.

I think the idea is that there's a circular system: We inhale oxygen and exhale CO2 (net), plants do the opposite. That's on the atmosphere side. On the other side, the carbon we exhale comes in part from the plants we eat. So the all that carbon is just bouncing back and forth like a ping pong game.

Then the claim is that the carbon in fossil fuels is safely ensconced underground until we evil humans pull it up and add it to the atmosphere. Now whether (a) there isn't some other process that is drawing carbon down into the ground to offset what gets extracted; (b) any of this actually matters, or is scientifically valid, is anyone's guess.

[narciso]

it seems they nearly all go rotten;

http://therightscoop.com/cnn-arizona-gov-to-veto-religious-freedom-bill/

it is CNN, but this not the first time she's gone splunge;

[Jeff Dobbs]

Ig:
What we have no real idea of is what the effect will be in a complex system with many competing and codependent feedback systems, not to mention what the influence of...

Thought we were talking about Obamacare there for a second.

[Old Lurker]

Iggy "Yeah, but the extra 10% has increased CO2 levels from around 240 in the 19th century to 380 today."

Iggy, are you saying that the entire increase from 240 to 380 was man made and that there was no increase at all from the natural sources?

[Beasts of England]

I understand the theory, Ig, but I have a hard time with their calculations about the delta between natural versus anthropogenic. And I agree that water vapor has a far greater impact as a GHG. I'd like to see a lot more *actual* research done into the causal relationship and the resultant impact before there were any dreams of implementing a carbon scheme. Emphasis on scheme...

I agree with you, though, even if everything they claim proves to be true, mankind is better served by a slightly warmer planet than a slightly cooler planet.

[Captain Hate]

this not the first time she's gone splunge

Maybe the lack of humidity dries out their brains (see McCain, John and Flake, Jeff).

[narciso]

Well I was not surprised by Flake, he has a reputation down here,

PoI, is back, Finch in a call center.

[narciso]

It does seem to be a pattern with him;

http://babalublog.com/2011/02/19/flake-gets-flaked/

[Captain Hate]

Yes I'm wondering who is trying to blow that 911 responder up? They featured the first episode with the Data Vigilantes last week but that could just be the luck of the draw.

Seeing reruns of the first 2 episodes of the season make me really really hope they can work Elias into some plots.

[Ignatz]

OL,
In that short a time period it is likely the majority, probably the large majority of the increase was due to the billions of tons of CO2 we've released, mainly through burning fossil fuels.
There appears little evidence any natural sources have increased sufficiently to cause the increase.
Not only is it likely, but it's a good thing, so why deny it?

While we know CO2 by itself can increase temperatures, we don't even know in a strictly natural system if CO2 is a driver or follower of temperature. CO2 increases seem to lag temp increases historically.
Nor are we sure how quickly glaciation occurs when an interglacial period ends. 5000 feet of ice on Manhattan obviously takes awhile but you don't need that to seriously disrupt harvests, economies and the world as we know it so as I said we better hope CO2 increases temp and we may find ourselves pumping as much of it into the atmosphere as possible far more quickly than we know.

[rich@gmu]

Captain Hate-

they never learn. oh look here, 500 votes in Fairfax City...all Democrat. O ran a pretty good campaign but he couldn't get over the Steyer et al money (and the Sarvis campaign, although for gov, probably did make a difference in the AG race as stoners marked a ballot for the Dem). VA is turning dem and they are going to overreach, but it'll be way too late to do much about it. kookville here we come.

[yougaveuppork?]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

“The Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU) was registered as a party on October 16, 1995;[1][24] although the original movement was founded on October 13, 1991, in Lviv. The name of the party is said to have been an intentional reference to the Nazi Party in Germany.[25] Membership was restricted to ethnic Ukrainians, and for a period the party did not accept atheists or former members of the Communist Party. The SNPU’s official program defined itself as an “irreconcilable enemy of Communist ideology” and all other parties to be either collaborators and enemies of the Ukrainian revolution, or romanticists. During the 1994 Ukrainian parliamentary elections, the party presented itself as separate from both communist and social democrat platforms.[26][third-party source needed]
In the 1998 parliamentary elections the party joined a bloc of parties (together with the All-Ukrainian Political Movement “State Independence of Ukraine”)[27] called “Less Words” (Ukrainian: Менше слів), which collected 0.16% of the national vote.[24][28][29] Party member Oleh Tyahnybok[30] was voted into the Ukrainian Parliament in this election.[30] He became a member of the People’s Movement of Ukraine faction.[30]
The party established the paramilitary organization Patriots of Ukraine in 1999 as an “Association of Support” for the Military of Ukraine. The paramilitary organization, which continues to use the Wolfsangel symbol, was disbanded in 2004 during the SNPU’s reformation and reformed in 2005.[2] Svoboda officially ended association with the group in 2007,[31] but they remain informally linked,[32][33][34] with representatives of Svoboda attending social campaigns such as protests against price increases and leafleting against drugs and alcohol.[35] In 2014, Svoboda was noted for clashing with the far-right group Right Sector, a coalition which includes Patriot of ”

Igor Myroshnychenko, and Svoboda sound a lot like the Tea Party.

[narciso]

the problem is the template are for all those modified George Pal scenarios, like National Geographic had some years ago, a cloud of locusts, sciroccos ravaging Las Vegas, wait that was Resident Evil 3? that no rational calculation can be considered

[jimmyk]

Imagine my surprise: Turns out Piers Morgan was a real jerk toward those who worked 'beneath' him.

www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/the-makeup-girls-suffered-the-worst-piers-morgans-staff-tells-all

[jimmyk]

Sorry, make that

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/the-makeup-girls-suffered-the-worst-piers-morgans-staff-tells-all

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Piers is a jerk?.....quelle surprise!

[Ignatz]

--I'd like to see a lot more *actual* research done into the causal relationship and the resultant impact before there were any dreams of implementing a carbon scheme.--

There should never be a carbon scheme. The planet is self adjusting and has been adjusting for CO2 for many millions of years. The amount of CO2 we could ever release is unlikely to do anything more than benefit mankind and plant life.

[Captain Hate]

kookville here we come.

I think you're already there. Jim Webb, Tim "Does My Hair Make Me Look Goofy" Kaine, Happy Hour Moran, McAwful, Red "I'll violate my oath to defend the state Constitution pronto" Herring. Verrrry impressive.

[narciso]

Well there are pockets of idiocy and mendacity,
everywhere, Grayson is one, my own charming rep
'wretching quietly' but it doesn't often reach critical mass,

[rich@gmu]

yea that street car left a while ago. heaven help us.

[Ignatz]

--Igor Myroshnychenko, and Svoboda sound a lot like the Tea Party.--

National socialists are the natural enemy of international socialists the same way leopards are the natural enemies of lions.

Freedom loving, peaceful Tea Party ungulates and pachyderms should have equal fear of both predatory beasts and be equally prepared to stomp them to death.