Somewhere inside Paul Krugman I imagine there remains an honest economist. However, he has an audience for which he must perform, so he is obliged to pen silliness such as this:
Salvation Gets Cheap
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which pools the efforts of scientists around the globe, has begun releasing draft chapters from its latest assessment, and, for the most part, the reading is as grim as you might expect. We are still on the road to catastrophe without major policy changes.
But there is one piece of the assessment that is surprisingly, if conditionally, upbeat: Its take on the economics of mitigation. Even as the report calls for drastic action to limit emissions of greenhouse gases, it asserts that the economic impact of such drastic action would be surprisingly small. In fact, even under the most ambitious goals the assessment considers, the estimated reduction in economic growth would basically amount to a rounding error, around 0.06 percent per year.
Ahh, the old "reduction in growth" metric. We learned about this game lo these many years ago from Paul himself. For perspective, on a world economy of $70 trillion, a reduction in the real growth rate from 2% to 1.94% per annum knocks down global GDP by roughly $20 trillion in the year 2100 (from $393 trillion to $372 trillion); the sum of all lost output from 2014 to 2100 is roughly $530 trillion (seriously), or about seven years of GDP at current levels. Of course, the first year cost is a mere $42 billion, but the power of compunding takes over and the numbers in later years become ginormous. This is noted in passing by the IPCC report (p. 17/33):
Under these assumptions, mitigation scenarios... entail losses in global consumption—not including benefits of reduced climate change as well as co‐benefits and adverse side‐effects of mitigation—of 1% to 4% (median: 1.7%) in 2030, 2% to 6% (median: 3.4%) in 2050, and 3% to 11% (median: 4.8%) in 2100 relative to consumption in baseline scenarios that grows anywhere from 300% to more than 900% over the century. These numbers correspond to an annualized reduction of consumption growth by 0.04 to 0.14 (median: 0.06) percentage points over the century relative to annualized consumption growth in the baseline that is between 1.6% and 3% per year.
I picked 2% growth versus 1.94% growth and calculated a 5% GDP reduction in 2100, which is pretty close to their 4.8% median.
Well - maybe $42 billion in year one isn't much but neither $20 trillion nor $530 trillion strike me as "rounding errors".
But let's bring those numbers closer to home: on a $16 trillion US economy, growth at 1.94% versus 2% represents a cumulative GDP loss of roughly $600 billion in the first ten years and another $2 trillion over years 11-20. For comparison, that $600 billion rounding error would fund most of the Medicaid/CHIP expansion under ObamaCare or more than half of the ObamaCare exchange subsidies, or most of the Department of Education budget. The two trillion over the second decade would fund, well, a lot more.
The weirdness cintinues with a comically tilted attempt at even-handedness:
On the left, you sometimes find environmentalists asserting that to save the planet we must give up on the idea of an ever-growing economy; on the right, you often find assertions that any attempt to limit pollution will have devastating impacts on growth. But there’s no reason we can’t become richer while reducing our impact on the environment.
Sometimes there is kookery on the left but the economics on the right is "often" exaggerated? I happen to think the growth reductions Krugman is talking up are kind of scary, but that just might be me. By way of comparison, the EPA in 2008 (the dark Bush years) apparently (p. 61) estimated the growth reduction in the US to be about 0.11% per year, double the rate Krugman is touting.
As another example of this type of fun with numbers, here is the Washington Times noting that a Brookings Institute study models cap-and-trade as reducing US GDP by 2.5% in 2050; Think Progress dismisses this as negligible. By my math (with a 2% baseline real growth rate) they are arguing about a reduction in growth of 0.065% per annum, or nearly the current IPCC figure. But since it is the right-wing times, that must be what Krugman considers a "devastating" impact on growth.
Krugman ignores an ongoing market failure here:
The sensible position on the economics of climate change has always been that it’s like the economics of everything else — that if we give corporations and individuals an incentive to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, they will respond.
Hmm - per McKinsey, among others, the US has underinvested in cost-effective conservation measures for decades. Improved home weatherization to reduce heating and cooling bills springs to mind. Yet the same individuals who have been ignoring their heating and air conditioning bills for years will respond to a new carbon tax? It would take a Nobel Laureate to explain that, but Krugman doesn't try.
Krugman then turns his non-attention to a market success:
What form would that response take? Until a few years ago, the best guess was that it would proceed on many fronts, involving everything from better insulation and more fuel-efficient cars to increased use of nuclear power.
One front many people didn’t take too seriously, however, was renewable energy.
No mention here or ever, about fracking. No mention of the fact that US carbon emissions have fallen due to the displacement of coal by natural gas. Progressives don't want to read it so Krugman isn't going to write it. Instead, we get his tacit admission ("One front many people didn’t take too seriously") was that he slept through or ignored the energy segment of all of Obama's State of the Union speeches as well as the whole Solyndra controversy.
So on to renewables!
The climate change panel, in its usual deadpan prose, notes that “many RE [renewable energy] technologies have demonstrated substantial performance improvements and cost reductions” since it released its last assessment, back in 2007. The Department of Energy is willing to display a bit more open enthusiasm; it titled a report on clean energy released last year “Revolution Now.” That sounds like hyperbole, but you realize that it isn’t when you learn that the price of solar panels has fallen more than 75 percent just since 2008.
Without even looking I will bet that the 75 percent cost reduction is for the solar panels themselves and ignores land and installations costs. And it does; the DOE mentions those figures as well - apparently it adds $3.34 per watt in the US, so that installed prices in the US seem to have fallen from about $8/watt to $4/watt in the US. The DOE also mentions that excess production capacity has led to a price plunge for PV cells, and that may not be an ongoing source of savings.
Groan...
Posted by: Danube on iPad | April 18, 2014 at 03:40 PM
Double groan...
Posted by: Jane | April 18, 2014 at 03:46 PM
OT
Just opened an email that contained this:
please call Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick at (617) 725-4005. Tell him you're outraged that he has failed to use his power as chief executive of the state to release Justina from DCF's custody and reunite her with her parents, sisters and family doctors.
So, I did. It is Governor Patrick's office. His aide assured me he would pass my message on to the governor.
Posted by: anonamom | April 18, 2014 at 03:50 PM
Somewhere inside Paul Krugman I imagine there remains an honest economist.
I don't imagine any such thing, Mr. Maguire, but I sincerely thank you for cursing through his sludge so that I don't have to.
Posted by: Eric in Boise | April 18, 2014 at 03:50 PM
Yes this is how a massacre appears from out on the horizon:
Posted by: GMax | April 18, 2014 at 03:53 PM
"...that if we give corporations and individuals an incentive to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, they will respond."
This is Enron adviser Krugman's recommended Bundy Incentive.
Posted by: Frau Stachelschwein | April 18, 2014 at 03:55 PM
Thank You everyone for the kind birthday wishes.
...and a triple groan on the thread topic. Isn't climate big enough and old enough to take care of itself?
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 04:00 PM
covering all skydragon wranglers;
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/18/holdren-is-wrong-cold-winters-are-not-getting-more-common/
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 04:02 PM
JiB (in Shinnecock)
Are you sure you're not secretly a Global Warming Zealot?
Reason I ask is because you and I are the only guys I know who have a Carbon Footprint anywhere near as big as all those AGW guys who zip around the planet preaching to us how terrible it is to zip around the planet:)
Enjoyed this bit of hypocrisy highlighted by Australia's Tim Blair the other day: You’re killing the planet, Natalie.
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 04:02 PM
As empath Troi used to scream, "PAIN! PAIN!"
OT - Since JOM was out of business for part of yesterday, may we still ridicule Lizzie Warren? She needs it, n'est pas?
Forty whacks?
Posted by: Frau Schmerzen | April 18, 2014 at 04:05 PM
GMax @ 3:53 - that means the GOP will need $$$$$ and many feel the money has not been used wisely in the past. What to do?
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 04:10 PM
this is the first link that comes up in the Google search, nazgul central;
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/18/cliven_bundy_steals_from_america_the_scary_return_to_a_west_where_guns_not_law_rule/
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 04:11 PM
"Somewhere inside Paul Krugman I imagine there remains an honest economist."
Objection!
Sustained.
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 04:11 PM
Krugman is a punk. We have judicial notice on that.
On the other hand, for those who never knew or have forgotten the real Watergate, here is a reminder:
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August 9, 1972: Nixon Orders IRS to Investigate McGovern, Donors
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After a tirade about how humiliated and angry he was when he was investigated and audited by the IRS, President Nixon demands that the same kinds of investigations be performed on the Democratic presidential candidate, George McGovern, and his campaign staff and financiers. “What in the name of God are we doing on this one?” he asks. “What are we doing about the financial contributors?… Are we looking over the financial contributors to the Democratic National Committee? Are we running their income tax returns? Is the Justice Department checking to see whether or not there are any antitrust suits (see July 31, 1971)?… We have all this power and we aren’t using it. Now what the Christ is the matter?” Nixon particularly wants the tax returns of businessman Henry Kimmelman, one of the largest financial backers of the McGovern campaign, but the new Secretary of the Treasury, George Shultz, is reluctant to use the IRS for political purposes. Nixon cannot understand Shultz’s hesitation. “What’s he trying to do, say that we can’t play politics with IRS?… Just tell George he should do it.” Nixon has Kimmelman’s tax returns within three days. By the same time, IRS audits of McGovern’s campaign and senior officials are well underway.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?nixon_and_watergate_tmln_watergate_campaign_conspiracy=nixon_and_watergate_tmln_political_subordination_of_irs&timeline=nixon_and_watergate_tmln
Posted by: MarkO | April 18, 2014 at 04:15 PM
that if we give corporations and individuals an incentive to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, they will respond.
Hmmmm,
that if we give individuals (like me Paul Krugman) an incentive ($25,000 a month) to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, (to tell others they should reduce greenhouse gas emmissions) they will respond. (I will respond by saying whatever the hell you pay me to say).
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 04:18 PM
I still think Nixon comes off like a piker, you think it was just JFK's charisma, that kept him afloat:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/irs-irs-long-history-dirty-tricks/story?id=19177178
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 04:21 PM
"Somewhere inside Paul Krugman I imagine there remains an honest economist."
Objection! Facts not in evidence!
Sustained.
Posted by: daddy
There fix that for you.
Posted by: Bori | April 18, 2014 at 04:21 PM
Well we're in the best of all possible hands;
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/breaking-putin-is-flying-russian-spy-planes-in-american-skies/
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 04:24 PM
Anonamom,
I've been posting that on Facebook for days. I wonder how many calls they have gotten.
Posted by: Jane | April 18, 2014 at 04:26 PM
to make up for that foolishness earlier this weeK;
http://therightscoop.com/zonation-tells-tucker-carlson-to-pour-a-big-bowl-of-captain-crunch-and-watch-all-those-school-house-rocks-again/
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 04:26 PM
OK, I am home from the food pantry, where we fed 20 families today. We had leftovers from Gleaner's Food Bank doing a big event yesterday, so I was able to give people meat, produce, and lots of diffeent types of bread.
I have been thinking about Putin. I am beginning to wonder if he has something really damaging on Obama. I just don't know what to think except that we are in trouble.
Posted by: Miss Marple | April 18, 2014 at 04:32 PM
Salon has entered Kos country. The article is devoid of facts about the entire BLM fiasco. The goal is hatred of opposing opinions. If they claimed fairness and balance, a lightning bolt would strike them all.
Pfui!
FTA:"In the end, Cliven Bundy’s 400 cows were herded back onto the Mojave Desert to trample desert tortoise habitat, degrade water quality, crush cultural sites, consume native vegetation and defecate in springs and the Virgin River. The cheering crowds proclaimed, “Freedom!” and “Victory!”
What a disaster."
Salon cannot smell its own feces.
Those solar plants? They are part of Gaia's master plan. Damage? No way!
The desert tortoise does not eat native vegetation and does not even defecate, I tell you. No way!
BTW it's Harry's way or no way.
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 04:37 PM
Since JOM was out of business for part of yesterday, may we still ridicule Lizzie Warren? She needs it, n'est pas?
Forty whacks?
Frau,
Wife's granny was, according to family lore, a Seminole. She died 30 years before I was on the scene but I am told she was a baby abandoned on a doorstep in panhandle Florida back in the 20's, taken up by the family inside, raised as their own, and eventually married her adopted brother:)
As far as I know we have no paperwork, but my daughters have high cheekbones and eat oatmeal.
I keep telling them to list themselves as Indian's for college acceptance and college loan purposes. Any reason you guys can think of why we ought not do so?
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 04:37 PM
None Daddy.
I was repeatedly told as a child that I came from horse thieves and Indians. My life would have been a heck of a lot easier without all those student loans.
Posted by: Jane | April 18, 2014 at 04:41 PM
Miss Marple, we've been in trouble since BHO was elected. I worried at the time, that he was the blank slate he bragged being, meaning no knowledge about his past or abilities. I have always been leery of charismatic people in positions of power ...and especially in politics.
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 04:44 PM
putin-is-flying-russian-spy-planes-in-american-skies/
"I can see Russian Spy Planes from my couch".
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 04:47 PM
Thank you
(palefaces)Bori and Jane.Whoo whoo whoo!
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 04:48 PM
Jane, I knew we were related. I'll email you proof.
Posted by: MarkO | April 18, 2014 at 04:50 PM
daddy,
Ha! Used to fly Virgin Atlantic a lot back 'n forth to London and South Africa. They used to ask for your pocket change to help UNICEF but then they changed to letting you buy carbon offsets in their duty free catalog. I would order a bottle of scotch and a Hermés scarf for Mrs. JiB but I have noticed that even 1st class lemmings would fork over $89.99 to offset their carbon footprint during the flight.
And people wonder how a vinyl LP record salesman like Sir Richard Branson became a billionaire:)
Posted by: Jim Eagle | April 18, 2014 at 04:53 PM
Mark,
Got it. I have the exact same picture over my fireplace. I think we should sue.
Posted by: Jane | April 18, 2014 at 04:53 PM
"...high cheekbones and eat oatmeal."
daddy, time to start assembling the "evidence"--a grainy photo of granny on the mantel, stories of her foster family's pride in her heritage, and photos or oral stories of family gatherings with oatmeal a favored dish(insert special Seminole recipe). A census record showing "other" in the racial column would be super. Try to find where the Seminoles in the panhandle were during the 1920s.
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 04:53 PM
Miss Marple:
I have been thinking about Putin. I am beginning to wonder if he has something really damaging on Obama.
I honestly don't think Putin has (or needs to have) anything the rest of us don't already possess.
The knowledge that . . . Emperor Obama Has New Clothes.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | April 18, 2014 at 05:07 PM
Salon has entered Kos country. The article is devoid of facts about the entire BLM fiasco.
Just as a mental exercise, I wonder how the MSM would cover it if Harry Reid actually was shot by a Team Bundy guy, enraged at Reid for calling him a "Domestic Terrorist." How would the MSM, which was so incensed back during the Gabby Gifford's ("Words have consequences") shootings, tell that story?
And would LIV America finally wake up and wonder why none of this back and forth was previously reported by NBC, ABC, CBS, or CNN, or would they just accept whatever story they get from John Stewart?
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 05:10 PM
I keep telling them to list themselves as Indian's for college acceptance and college loan purposes.
I hear Harvard is a push over for that level of documentation. Might need some Pow Wow Chow to put them over the top though.
Posted by: GMax | April 18, 2014 at 05:14 PM
daddy, your girls could be shoe- ins at Dartmouth.
Posted by: Clarice Feldman | April 18, 2014 at 05:19 PM
I would inquire of one of the genealogical DNA sites, if there are known markers common to Seminoles. If there is a way to do so, you might be a simple blood test from having proof of an ancestor, whether its a close enough ancestor to meet the scholarship hurdle is an open question of course.
Posted by: GMax | April 18, 2014 at 05:20 PM
Cliven Bundy’s 400 cows were herded back onto the Mojave Desert to trample desert tortoise habitat, degrade water quality, crush cultural sites, consume native vegetation and defecate in springs and the Virgin River.
Bundy cattle have been "degrading water quality" by defecating in that exact area since 1873. Before then, according to this map on historic Buffalo roaming range's, it was only Buffalo trampling tortoises and pooping in the pristine stream's of the Virgin River for the previous 20-30 millions years or so.
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 05:23 PM
Kruggie's fishwrap finally got around to mentioning the Nevada ranch story yesterday, in an opinion piece. They followed up with another opinion piece today. Do papers usually run op-ed columns about stories that they haven't reported on at all?
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | April 18, 2014 at 05:29 PM
Part of the Ukraine understanding Vlad's foreign minister handed to John "Ketchupdigger" Kerry yesterday:
...Whereas the American Government, under the principles it rigidly upholds, objects to settle international issues through military pressure, it is exercising in conjunction with Great Britain and other nations pressure by economic power. Recourse to such pressure as a means of dealing with international relations should be condemned as it is at times more inhumane that military pressure...
Whoops, my bad. That's from the memo handed to SoS Hull on the afternoon of Dec 7, 1941 by the Japanese Ambassador. Again, my apologies.
Posted by: Skoot | April 18, 2014 at 05:33 PM
daddy, I was at a seminar given by a half-black, gay-looking admissions officer from RPI, and he explained that if a local male was considered against a girl from Alaska, the girl from Alaska would automatically be accepted over the local. Surely a checked Native American box would result in a scholarship.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 18, 2014 at 05:35 PM
daddy, the bison were always Gaia's favorites, and then the alien horses and cattle were introduced by European devils.
Bison carp is just poo.
Cattle carp is poo-poo. There's a big smelly difference. Ask Whoopi.
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 05:35 PM
OK don't take my word for it. How about a member of the US House, and a Democrat from Massachusetts? Will that convince you of what is coming? Here:
Posted by: GMax | April 18, 2014 at 05:36 PM
But daddy, buffalo poop is indigent and ok with Gaia, while cow poop is European and therefore a danger to the tortoises!
Perhaps we should tell the BLM that we demand they document and catalog the cow poop.
Posted by: miss Marple | April 18, 2014 at 05:36 PM
daddy-
are they looking at the ultimate betrayal ... going to Florida State?
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 05:38 PM
(I should mention that he was uncommonly bejeweled.)
Posted by: Extraneus | April 18, 2014 at 05:39 PM
For you Frau...a blast from the past
Posted by: Rocco | April 18, 2014 at 05:40 PM
Miss Marple:
I have been thinking about Putin. I am beginning to wonder if he has something really damaging on Obama.
He probably has a few shots of vodka every time he thinks about the doomsday machine the Soviet created. They did their job too well it seems at time.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 05:40 PM
GMAx,
I see something alarming in your last post. What exactly are those "funding mechanisms" which aren't in place yet?
Posted by: miss Marple | April 18, 2014 at 05:41 PM
Cadillac Tax my dear to name but one of the things still coming down the pike.
Obamacare the gift that keeps on giving...
Its working alright, overtime at kicking Democrats out of their federal offices...
Posted by: GMax | April 18, 2014 at 05:44 PM
Will the impending Boehner amnesty incense R voters enough to turn out to elect R's who will oust him and Cantor, or to stay home in disgust? I'd bet the latter.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 18, 2014 at 05:45 PM
Watching Stephen Lynch on the IRS and Benghazi hearings he seemed to be less partisan (ala Connolly) than most Dems (although he does toe the line finally). Is that most of the Bay State perception??
Posted by: Jim Eagle | April 18, 2014 at 05:49 PM
Okay...it looks like a go for Awesome Con tomorrow.
Maybe I'll get to meet Kaylee & Shepherd Book!
My outfit is even planned:
*my Jayne Cobb hat knit by Frau (I'm not kidding, you should all be jealous!)
*my "Don't call me a geek or I'll whack you with my light saber" t-shirt
and...
*maybe just some camo pants.
I.can't.wait!
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | April 18, 2014 at 05:51 PM
Extraneus-
Stay home is my guess. I wish they would buy a clue. Silicon Valley will give them a little bit of money to push this trough, but Silicon Valley will also fully fund the democrats and all of their bad proposals. They will also provide the funding and technical expertise that allows for the panopticon state *for Democrats*.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 05:53 PM
Will there be pictures, Janet?
Posted by: Extraneus | April 18, 2014 at 05:53 PM
yikes through.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 05:54 PM
I think what Krugman means is that the growth reduction won't affect his lifestyle or the lifestyle of most of his readers.
Posted by: Thomas Collins | April 18, 2014 at 05:55 PM
Has Krugman become the Kardashian of economics?
Do nothing and earn $25K per month.
Posted by: Jim Eagle | April 18, 2014 at 05:57 PM
Oh my goodness, Rocco! That picture is too funny. Here's an old JOM exchange I wrote down from 5-30-12.
"Serves me right for trying to work & read JOM at the same time."- jimmyk
"You call that multitasking? ...try taking the bar exam while trying to peer over your high cheekbones with a 1/64th papoose clamped to your teat." - Dave(inMA)
Hah! Remember that nonsense about being the first person to take the bar exam while nursing her baby or something. Insanity.
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | April 18, 2014 at 06:01 PM
Ext:
Will the impending Boehner amnesty incense R voters enough to turn out to elect R's who will oust him and Cantor, or to stay home in disgust? I'd bet the latter.
The primaries for Boehner and Cantor are in May and June respectively. Even if you think Boehner and Cantor are dumb as a box of rocks, is there any chance they'll move on amnesty before the primaries?
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | April 18, 2014 at 06:01 PM
Will there be pictures, Janet?
Yes! If I don't look too terrible I'll post some here. I can be kinda vain for a nutcase. Hah!
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | April 18, 2014 at 06:05 PM
Apparently Boehner office is doing a quick backpedal. Talking about Obama having to build trust in his enforcing the law first. I have little doubt Boehner would love to pass something, but I am pretty sure he knows his speakership is history if he does it by cobbling together Demcorats with a few Republicans so here we sits.
Posted by: GMax | April 18, 2014 at 06:07 PM
--Reason I ask is because you and I are the only guys I know who have a Carbon Footprint anywhere near as big as all those AGW guys who zip around the planet preaching to us how terrible it is to zip around the planet:)--
Hey, I lay waste to entire CO2 sucking forests.
And while I can't take sole credit for it, one of our properties did exhales many thousands of tons of carbon just in the course of a day or two last August. :)
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 06:09 PM
They'll be on vacation.
Cantor's challenger is David Brat an econ professor at RMC (has a 3.5 overall at RateMyProfessor). Being against amnesty is Brat's main issue and he has about 42k in the bank against 2 million for Cantor.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:11 PM
Gary Doer, Canadian Ambassador to the US, is making a great case for the Keystone Pipeline on Special Report. He also is not afraid to call a spade a spade regarding ElJefe's latest gutless delay decision.
Posted by: Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet | April 18, 2014 at 06:12 PM
Let's see, Pauly Peanuts and his ilk tell us things like Medicare will cost x when they in fact ends up costing x to the fourth or fifth power and the climate modellers can't figure out why they have gotten the last fifteen years wrong on temp, but they do know just exactly what's going to happen in 85 years to the economy.
That these people find gainful employment other than on the end of a shovel demonstrates the invincible gullibility if the human race.
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 06:14 PM
>>>Hey, I lay waste to entire CO2 sucking forests.<<<
#earthfirst, #climatefool
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:15 PM
*it* in fact ends up costing....
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 06:15 PM
Jim-
Saw it. It was a great segment.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:16 PM
>>>That these people find gainful employment other than on the end of a shovel demonstrates the invincible gullibility if the human race.<<<
#sadface, #funployment
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:18 PM
'Grandma, what did you do when the communists were taking over America?'
'I went to Awesome Con!!'- Grandma Janet
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | April 18, 2014 at 06:19 PM
Salon was part of a ideological project, in the 90s, funded in part through Hambricht and Quist, in partnership with the head of Chinese
DARPA. in the 90s, it blew up the militia threat, and Boehlert, future Media Matters downplayed the Islamist wave, it made a big stink with C o C, because it served the baiting the right
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 06:19 PM
--But daddy, buffalo poop is indigent and ok with Gaia, while cow poop is European and therefore a danger to the tortoises!--
It's even worse. Non indigenous wild horses will fill the gap left by Bundy's cows and most of the idiot lefties will scream bloody murder if the BLM tries to remove them.
On Animal Farm West it's one stomach good, four stomachs bad.
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 06:20 PM
"build trust in his enforcing the law first"
This will not build trust in anything he does.
http://weaselzippers.us/183259-breaking-obama-signs-ted-cruzs-law-banning-irans-terrorist-un-ambassador-from-entering-country/
BREAKING: Obama Signs Ted Cruz’s Law Banning Iran’s Terrorist UN Ambassador From Entering Country – Update: Obama Say He Won’t Enforce It…
Posted by: pagar | April 18, 2014 at 06:21 PM
The JEF is still quibbling over making a decision on the Keystone pipeline. Solid B+ imo.
Tammy Bruce was really teeing off on the homos for giving the mooooooslim cab drivers in Cleveland a pass on not taking them to the homo olympics as a "personal decision"; unlike the "personal decision" by Christian bakers and photographers. She also said it's time to stop wasting money on McTurtle's primary challenger; that he's so far behind that it would be throwing good money after bad.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 18, 2014 at 06:22 PM
Will no one denounce Jim Rhodes astounding racism @ 6:12?
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 06:23 PM
Miss Marple @ 5:36 - We sure know our carp, don't we?
When I first stepped in bear poo, I knew it immediately. There was just something *different* about the smell. Outdoorsy. It was in the San Gabriel mountain foothills where my husband had his bee yard. He even saw the culprit and had to put up an electric fence.
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 06:26 PM
Nope, no denunciation of Jim Rhodes, but hearty applause for the Canadian ambassador, who described Harper as a man who deals with real numbers and exercises leadership, which birth countries need. That was a veiled insult if I ever heard one.
Posted by: miss Marple | April 18, 2014 at 06:26 PM
Looks like fun Janet.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:28 PM
I *heart* Rocco even more today than yesterday.
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 06:28 PM
That racism kept me from realizing Jim was making the point I was subsequently doing. Racism; what can't it do?
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 18, 2014 at 06:28 PM
"UPDATE: The shooter has been identified – Mohammad Pedro Whitaker."
"Police have not identified a motive."
But Sen Reid knows all about the motive of those at the Bundy ranch.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/kansas-city-highway-shooter-arrested-photo-and-video/
Posted by: pagar | April 18, 2014 at 06:30 PM
McTurtle's primary challenger?
So many need replaced.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:30 PM
I'm prescient!
A moderate earthquake was recorded Friday morning in Alaska above the Arctic Circle, and was followed by an aftershock almost as powerful.
magnitude of 5.5,...The Alaska Earthquake Information Center reports in a release that the quake was felt in the hub community of Kotzebue and at the Red Dog Mine, but there were no immediate reports of damage.
Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 06:31 PM
Mohammed Pedro Whitaker?
Sounds like he used to work for James Watt.
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 06:32 PM
daddy-
did you feel it?
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:34 PM
"*my Jayne Cobb hat knit--lovingly-- by Frau"
FIFY, Janet.
Kaylee and Shepherd Book, oh my! I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: Frau Dukaten | April 18, 2014 at 06:36 PM
I will denounce HHJJI correcting a typo at 6:15. For the record, corrections of typos at any point are frowned upon.
But I will maintain that the typo in the 6:23 is more important than an inadvertently omitted *it* that 6:15 was correcting.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | April 18, 2014 at 06:39 PM
daddy - isn't it your theory that seismic activity is a result of JOMer birthdays?
I'm looking askance at rich.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | April 18, 2014 at 06:40 PM
Per the Horde, Pelosi Galore was washing the feet of illegal Mexican immigrants in an episcopal church which indicates the Catholic church told her to hit the road with that ignorant stunt; which is just the regular level of insanity at the ECUSA. I hope she gets pinworms.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 18, 2014 at 06:43 PM
Continuing my rant, they preemptively accused climate change critics of Exxon financed denialism, because that was what they were doing, courtesy of Maurice Strong and Soros,
the Times went after any tool we had used to fight the cold war, including CIA contacts with paramilitary forces that didn't quite play by Queensbery rules, and they had a willing stooge in Torricelli and likeminded fools like Deutsch, who catered to every crazy notion, including Lurch's wild goose chase in Central America,
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 06:49 PM
"UPDATE: The shooter has been identified – Mohammad Pedro Whitaker."
and the guy is black. What will the MFM do with HIM?!
Mohammad
Pedro
Whitaker
& he's black.
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | April 18, 2014 at 06:53 PM
Just another spiking the ball incident:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/17/sorry-snowden-putin-lied-to-you-about-his-surveillance-state-and-made-you-a-pawn-of-it.html
Posted by: narciso | April 18, 2014 at 06:55 PM
thanks hit. not jumping around like Ren and Stimpy tonight.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:55 PM
black Hispanic?
forget the story.
decisions, decisions.
Posted by: rich@gmu | April 18, 2014 at 06:57 PM
Speaking of Lurch, I was very upset that Miss Groves applied that moniker to Reese on Tuesday. Jim Caviezel literally has movie star looks unlike some goof who had mashed potatoes crammed into his lantern jaw at great cost to the ketchup widow.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 18, 2014 at 06:57 PM
Everybody knows whose astounding racism I was referencing. I denounce superfluous apostrophes.
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 06:58 PM
Theyre nearly as irritating as unneeded commas hit at least in my opinion.
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 07:00 PM
'Ahh, the old "reduction in growth" metric.'
Sort of like Krugman arguing how more stimulus and, "oh let's just say a modest 5 for multiplier," unemployment will be down, growth will be up, and the recession will be over.
Posted by: Tom Bowler | April 18, 2014 at 07:01 PM
Kruggie's fishwrap finally got around to mentioning the Nevada ranch story yesterday,
All
Hat,Moonbat, no Cattle.Dave,
I think the problem at the Times is that since they fired Reporter Jason Blair they just haven't had anyone as good who could sit at his desk and remote view hundreds of cattle up to thousands of miles away:
(In the March 27, 2003, piece "Relatives of Missing Soldiers Dread Hearing Worse News," Blair again pretended to be in West Virginia and plagiarized quotations from an Associated Press article. He claimed to have spoken to one relative who had no recollection of meeting Blair, said "tobacco fields and cattle pastures" were visible from Lynch's parents' house when they were not).
If we're waiting for reputable Cattle reporting in the NYTimes I think we'll be waiting till the Cows
don'tcome home.Posted by: daddy | April 18, 2014 at 07:02 PM
I took it as more of a reference to his large size and brooding demeanor than his looks, Cap.
Posted by: Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz | April 18, 2014 at 07:04 PM