Torn from the headlines:
Obamas want daughters to get taste of minimum-wage life
I want to put Barry back into a job for which he is qualified too.
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My neighbor needs some manure spread.
Posted by: henry | June 20, 2014 at 09:37 AM
The rank hypocrisy is downright ........ arrrgh, words fail me.
Posted by: MaryD | June 20, 2014 at 09:40 AM
Wow! He doesn't want to punish them with babies, but he will punish them with other choices?
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 09:41 AM
TM:
I want to put Barry back into a job for which he is qualified too.
I want to take away his keys
"And so, I want you to imagine that our Foreign Policy is a car."
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | June 20, 2014 at 09:42 AM
Here is a job:
h ttp://allen b west. com/2014/06/feds-advertised-escort-services-unaccompanied-alien-children-january/
Driving a bus would go a long way in race relations, if you ask me.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 09:47 AM
Someone else here noted there was difficulty in posting Allen West links. I could not post the link above until I broke it up with random spaces.
Now that is a tinfoil problem.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 09:49 AM
The IRS hearing is devollving into a food fight.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 09:52 AM
http://www.c-span.org/video/?320046-1/irs-targeting-investigation
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 09:56 AM
"Asked by Parade whether they want their daughters to work in “character building minimum-wage jobs” as their parents did, the first lady replies: “Oh, yeah. I think every kid needs to get a taste of what it’s like to do that real hard work.”
No mention of what minimum wage jobs MO/BOzo ever held "before law school". Community organizing qualify as "real hard work"? IIRC BOzo's racist granny was the sole breadwinner while he lived in HI.
Posted by: DebinNC | June 20, 2014 at 10:06 AM
I wonder if every needs a taste of Choom as well?
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM
...every kid...
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM
when you hear the vuvuzela run?
http://www.capitolhillcubans.com/2014/06/democracy-leaders-v-country-club-elites.html
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 10:09 AM
TK, you haven't seen anything yet.
Sen Reid says the leftists have no billionaires backing them. I posted the link at the "need a trigger thread" but everyone has apparently left it. jimmyk @09:09 on that thread posted a link where the following statement was made;
""“The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it,” Messenger wrote."
Has Messenger apologized for publishing this leftist BS?
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/89278468333/huh-harry-reid-claims-democrats-dont-have-any
""“The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it,” Messenger wrote."
The above is from the link by jimmyk 09:09.
Has Messenger apologized for publishing this leftist BS?
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/89278468333/huh-harry-reid-claims-democrats-dont-have-any
"HARRY REID CLAIMS DEMOCRATS DON’T HAVE ANY BILLIONAIRE DONORS."
"Harry Reid’s lying and hypocrisy are beginning to wear on the nerves of even the most liberal of press outlets. "
Posted by: pagar | June 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Malia recently worked for Steven Spielburg as a production assistant. LUN
Posted by: ROA | June 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Rep. Nunes just asked about Democracy 21 wanting tea party groups to be investigated.
I tell ya...the emails between fed. agencies & liberal advocacy organizations need to be produced.
I think far left libs embedded in federal agencies & advocacy organizations are runnin' our country.
Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | June 20, 2014 at 10:15 AM
A taste and then what for the rest of their lives?
Posted by: An old woman's lack of suppleness caused her to regret all the domestic labour saving devices: We were meant to stoop. | June 20, 2014 at 10:15 AM
Good morning from Rapid City!
We were delayed for 2 hours by a flat tire on I-90, 15 miles from the nearest town. Thank God I belong to AAA. They got a guy there in 25 minutes, he put on the spare, then we followed him back to Kimball, where they put on a new tire and balanced it.
Hertz was unable to do much because the closest office was in Rapid City, 200 miles away. Everyone behaved well, and while the tire was being put on we had ice cream while we sat at picnic tables in the shade at an old-time Ice cream/burger stand from the 1950's, which is about when I think it was built.
So anyone who contemplates driving in empty places, be sure you have AAA before you go!
Hertz will deduct the cost of the tire from my final bill.
All's well that ends well, and a good lesson for the kids on being prepared, as without AAA we would have been left begging for someone to come help us.
We are getting ready to go to Mt. Rushmore as soon as certain people wake up.
Posted by: miss Marple | June 20, 2014 at 10:15 AM
Taranto deserves combat pay for trying to make sense of Chaitred;
The Atlantic's James Fallows argues that Iraq war hawks "might have the decency to shut the hell up on this particular topic for a while." Slate's Jamelle Bouie, writing in the second person, instructs Iraq hawks, "Given your role in building this catastrophe, you should be barred from public comment, since anything you could say is outweighed by the damage you've done." Washington Post columnist Katrina Vanden Heuvel, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, and many others have reiterated the point. This meta belief about who should be allowed to argue about Iraq, more than any actual argument about Iraq itself, has become the left's main way of thinking about the issue.
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 10:16 AM
Also, we stayed overnight in North Sioux City, which is now being flooded. This explains the numerous convoys we met on I -90, heading towards the area which was supposed to flood.
I 29 is closed. They expect portions to be flooded today, and they are sandbagging across the highway under an overpass to try and keep the water back.
Posted by: miss Marple | June 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM
That was a great speech, hit, but Garfield would have to run out of lasagna in order to give it,
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM
This is the government that was shut down, Janet.
That was the moment for some in the GOP to fall on their misguided swords for the sake of the Republic.
Instead the Whacko Birds were shunned...
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM
Parade article LUN: BOzo claims he worked at an ice cream parlor, as a house painter, and as a waiter at assisted living facility, which was news to MO. His lack of private sector work experience was an issue in 2008 and his campaign then said nothing about the jobs he claims above, except mention of a very brief, unverified stint in an unnamed Honolulu ice cream/sandwich shop.
Posted by: DebinNC | June 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM
Hah, Hit, go to bishophill.squarespace.com for more on fracking.
Posted by: Fear, guilt, and beeeznus. | June 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM
And the sun worshippers will enjoy joannenova.com.au/
Posted by: Notcho Mama! | June 20, 2014 at 10:26 AM
Glad to see der DiNK
Posted by: Mist ya mucho. | June 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM
Let us now compose a list of those who should be barred from talking about Obamacare.
Posted by: Danube on iPad | June 20, 2014 at 10:28 AM
Thanks to MO, we now know only two of the four Mt. Rushmore guys were "born American".
Posted by: DebinNC | June 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM
Btw, True the Vote is working hard for McDaniel in Mississippi. I hate to go all conspiracy but after seeing Engelbrecht testify in front of Issa and not backing down for Cummings's attacks on her, Boehner's unwillingness to appoint a special IRS panel makes more sense.
Boehner was seen sobbing after meeting with Saint Gabby yesterday.
Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone | June 20, 2014 at 10:33 AM
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Posted by: Dublindave 2016 | June 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM
Well, I got a meagerly pentacylindered, measly twopointtwo litered. with the pitifully few twenty vuvulas. and it uses a coupla huffers to make it go.
Posted by: They do the real hard work. | June 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM
Only Constitutional Scholars are allowed to discuss certain issues so this seems to fit the mold for proper debate.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 10:38 AM
Well it's not that blatant, they wage legal warfare, the Plame matter, the Chinese torture
directed by Levick and CCR, they gather up a clique of former staff officers, Zarquawi called them the mutineers, who lay siege to the Administration, the journolist which all includingChaitred himself are members, were a key part, all to discredit the current administration, and preemptively any critique of their policies,Soufan, Grenier, Drumheller, Lacy, all were part f the wurlitzer.
With the skydragons it's a little different, they preemptively attacked starting in the late 90s, any critique of them, as funded by Big Oil and/or connnected to Big Tobacco. so
Daddy Warbucks Soros and the Canadian gut,
name escapes honestly!!, fingerprints are not seen, the same with the push to disarm which
came from Obama's only significant executive experience, at the Joyce Foundation,
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM
commenter at Megan McCardle's article explaining why she thinks it unlikely that the missing IRS emails are a conspiracy.
This fellow kinda disagrees, I think:
If it was a conspiracy involving Lois Lerner, you would know by her refusal to answer any questions. Instead of explaining things under oath, putting suspicions to rest, she would plead the fifth amendment, which protects her against self-incrimination, such as in discussing ones role in the commission of a crime.
Our system requires the proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, she is unquestionably hiding something illegal, or she would be abusing the fifth amendment, which protects her against being forced to testify against herself. It is up the Government to legally discover exactly what she is hiding, acquire evidence and file the appropriate charges.
These emails, if they ever existed, and it is becoming very clear that they once did, would be the smoking gun that could encompass the entire Obama Senior Administration, if not Obama himself.
You can bet your bottom dollar, if they existed, the most powerful man in the world, had more reason than anyone else to ensure they disappeared. And well...they did.
Draw your own conclusions, and while you are thinking about it, consider this as well. Obama said they investigated the IRS and found NO Corruption, "not a smidgen", when people were opening claiming the IRS was working with the White House criminally in discrimination of conservatives and libertarians, in particularly Lois Lerner. Ask yourself; If the WH did an investigation involving communication with Lois Lerner and the White House Senior Staff, as claimed, wouldn't they have had to review her email communications with the WH? Wouldn't those emails be front and center in any competent investigation? The very ones that are now missing?
Makes me wonder if, instead of performing an investigation, they used the "internal investigation" as an opportunity to perform a "clean-up" operation for self-preservation purposes.
When you follow the evidence trail, paying attention to known facts, opportunity and motive, along with recognizing, Obama has proven he has no issue with lying to us in self interest, I would think most people would think it's long past time to bring in a Special Prosecutor and Independent Investigators with the power to seize documents, hard drives and any other records. We MUST resolve the serious question regarding if we have a President who cheated in the last election, violated his Oath of Office and committed crimes against the people of the USA! And respond accordingly!
I found the article via Insty:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-06-19/an-irs-conspiracy-not-likely-yet
Posted by: anonamom | June 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM
In a court of law, missing or destroyed evidence is seen as in the worst possible light. The judge would so instruct the jury to see it that way.
Posted by: Sue | June 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM
Here's a question. Since the House and Senate are working on appropriations bills right now, why not amend the bill funding the IRS to zero out all funds for employee bonuses, conferences, travel, etc and allocate it all towards document retention, training programs for employees on complying with federal records preservation laws, and upgrades to the email servers and IT departments?
Posted by: James D. | June 20, 2014 at 11:05 AM
"Only Constitutional Scholars are allowed to discuss certain issues"
Sheer nonsense; anyone can do so. But those who have never disavowed a single assertion made by Leo G. Donofrio are unusually prone to say stupid things. Often.
Posted by: Danube on iPad | June 20, 2014 at 11:14 AM
Malor gives a good synopsis of what henry's been updating periodically: http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/20/a-basic-primer-on-the-scott-walker-case-for-ignorant-reporters/
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 20, 2014 at 11:15 AM
Whining.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 11:20 AM
Saw om twitter that the Dems in the IRS hearing were using the John Doe carp to justify the IRS activities... vast left wing conspiracy (sans email) anyone?
Posted by: henry | June 20, 2014 at 11:20 AM
Been busy at work and at home and have lost track of all the threads.
Sooooo - Rupert Murdock dined with ValJar the night before his WSJ editorial appeared?
Pretty soon, we won't be wanting even Fox News as a news source.
Posted by: centralcal | June 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM
Only Constitutional Scholars are allowed to discuss certain issues so this seems to fit the mold for proper debate.
What was the point of that?
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM
James D. for Speaker of the House.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM
Humor.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM
JamesD.,
Operation Choke BOzo is going to have to be more artful than that. The budget process needs to be broken up even further with appropriations made for very short periods and some functions left unfunded, forcing actual layoffs. We need to think of the most efficient method of breaking BOzo's pen and disconnecting his phone and refusal to take up bills funding specific parts of agencies would be a good way to start.
Posted by: Rick B | June 20, 2014 at 11:33 AM
"What was the point of that?"
OCD.
Posted by: Danube on iPad | June 20, 2014 at 11:34 AM
Still waiting for the RNC to stop whining over Forrest Gump and acknowledge this man's existence: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/06/virginia-politics
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM
Rep Diane Black has come so close to nailing Koskinen.
She made him testify that the way that the IRS realized that there was a problem with Lerner's emails was a breakdown in the pattern of emails. Meaning the period of time in question showed far fewer emails/activity from her than the pattern would suggest. This alerted them to further investigative the cause of the break in pattern.
It was in this investigation that they found the hard drive must have failed during the period in question.
Here is my question:
If the discrepancy was discovered because of a break in a pattern, what server were the emails prior to the break stored on?
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM
Something you know well.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM
Free Beacon reply to the librarian.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/230496643/WFB-reply-to-University-of-Arkansas
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 11:47 AM
Strassel points out the 'barbara streisand' Koskinen is selling;
http://online.wsj.com/articles/kim-strassel-about-those-missing-emails-1403220814
btw, they sent the ambassador designate, the one with the Lewinsky situation on the roof of the Baghdad embassy, remember him, as our special embassy
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM
Meet the latest members of the NYC's 1%:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/central-park-five-agree-to-40-million-wrongful-conviction-settlement-1403231947
Incidentally, Anne Coulter argued persuasively that they were guilty as hell. The "exoneration" was based on the claims of someone already in prison who had nothing to lose by taking the rap.
Posted by: jimmyk | June 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM
Of course the left that snippet out of Mark 'Tiger Beat' Landler and the Journal's companion piece,
According to Nordland, the three likely sucessors
are Mahdi, the runner up to Maliki in 2006, a former finance minister, Chalabi, and Bayan Jabr,
the former health and interior minister,
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM
"as a house painter,"
My father was a house painter. Bozo is no house painter.
MM, Black Hills is one of my favorite palces. Site of John Gill's solo of the Thimble in 1961. 30ft of extremely difficult rock for the time (12b). Changed the world.
Sylvan Lake is really nice to, if the kids want to go swimming.
Posted by: Skoot | June 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM
From the Strassel piece, I hadn't realized that the e-mails disappeared right after Camp's original inquiry in 2011. How convenient.
Not sure if it was here or on Twitter I saw that Nikole Flax (whose e-mails also disappeared) visited the White House dozens of times.
Posted by: jimmyk | June 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Wow that letter from the Free Beacon attorneys is of the FU Strong Message to Follow variety.
I bet there is a librarian being told not to get the University sued by any further actions, but it is a college campus and we all know that the Constitution does not apply there, so we shall see...
Posted by: GMax | June 20, 2014 at 12:20 PM
The Flax White House visits were noted by John Ekdahal on Twitter
Now the IRS says her e-mails have been
cleaned upfound.Posted by: jimmyk | June 20, 2014 at 12:23 PM
Jay Seculo was on Greta and saying that the focus should be currently on this Nikole Flax character, since she appeared to be the runner from the IRS commissioner and the White House. The White House and Treasury and Justice should be made to search for e-mail traffic from or to her, and turn it over to allow a rebuilding of the "lost" e-mails.
Want to bet me that the White House has a similar catastrophic failure of data retention when they are pinned down as well?
Posted by: GMax | June 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM
Posted by: cathyf | June 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM
the focus should be currently on this Nikole Flax
The problem is that all those Flax visits to the White House make it likely that the most, umm, sensitive communications were verbal and not recorded anywhere.
Posted by: jimmyk | June 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM
I posted that here a few days ago, Jimmy.
The likely sequence of events seems worth considering.
Whoever suggested checking her google searches for "how to destroy a hard drive" seems pretty smart to me.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Anyone have a list of the six other "crashed" hard drives? I saw that one was Nikole Flax's. I think Holly Paz's had an unfortunate malfunction as well. Whose were the others?
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 12:37 PM
Wait six months. All backup tapes free of archived/deleted emails.
Did you see the question I posed, Ext?
They could only know there was a break in the pattern of emails if they are privy to the emails prior to the break.
How were those emails backed up in such a way that the archive tape system didn't auto delete them based on their age.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM
You might now understand why no one has been fired. No desire to give anyone any incentive to "spill the beans" and rat them out.
This stinks so bad even CNN is starting to figure this one out...
Posted by: GMax | June 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM
Eric Cantor is speaking on the house floor on Cspan. He is praising Stenny Hoyer right now.
Not shitting you.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 12:41 PM
Good call on the lack of firings, GMax.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM
jimmy:
From the Strassel piece, I hadn't realized that the e-mails disappeared right after Camp's original inquiry in 2011. How convenient.
Ext:
Realizing it will come out.
Staging the Q&A.
Archiving of incriminating emails. (Deleted from the server.)
Letter from Camp.
Destruction of hard drive. (Archives gone.)
For the record: the staged Q&A was in May of 2013.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | June 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM
It was like the spin on Fast and Furious, that Dodson noted:
http://patterico.com/2014/06/20/obama-on-iraq-then-and-now/#comment-1650901
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM
Hoyer returned the praise by saying Cantor has a good staff.
He noted that his staff has always enjoyed working with Cantor's staff.
I think I need to set a parental control on Cspan.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM
Maybe he will learn not to trust Patsy Murray;
http://therightscoop.com/boom-paul-ryan-obliterates-irs-commissioner/
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM
COSTA RICA.
Glad I decided to watch in our apartment instead on in the hotel bar.
No happy faces on Via Arcenio.
Regarding the minimum wage: In Rome its whether you get a table of Americans or a table of Europeans. Ask the waiters who they make their living off of - Yanks or Euros.
Posted by: Jack is Back! (But in Typhus Hell) | June 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM
Yeah, TK. In 2011, every employee showed a break in pattern. That was when the mailbox limit went from 150MB to 500MB, meaning their box started growing without needing clean-up/archiving until it reached the new limit, which might have been a year or more later.
How were those emails backed up in such a way that the archive tape system didn't auto delete them based on their age.
The way I understand it (and the way it is in Lotus Notes) is that when your mailbox fills up, you have to delete stuff. This deletes it from the server. In the process of deleting stuff from the server, you can (but aren't required to) archive the deleted stuff, storing it on your local hard drive, so that if you ever needed to go back and find something, you could.
The back-ups supposedly were rolling backups, meaning that the oldest tape (six months old) is used for today's backup. Tomorrow, the oldest tape is six months old, and is used for tomorrow's backup. Etc.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM
they are so predictable:
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/20/some-nerve-dem-rep-coddles-irs-boss-says-dark-money-groups-need-more-irs-scrutiny/
you want to wager, which excerpt will be played tonight?
Posted by: narciso | June 20, 2014 at 12:50 PM
Koskinen looks like a pre-rehearsed puppet.
Apparently no democrats were able to make it back to the hearing after lunch.
It was pretty cool to see Paul Ryan call the guy a liar - because he is.
Posted by: Jane | June 20, 2014 at 12:53 PM
So they have recovered emails from a smaller archive box that is older than than the larger more recent archive box?
Is that correct?
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM
Posted by: cathyf | June 20, 2014 at 12:56 PM
Kristen looks like she is hiding a couple puppets.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 12:56 PM
No.
Each person has a "mailbox" on the server, which gets backed up daily, but only for six months.
The mailbox has a size limit. (IRS limit went from 150MB to 500MB in 2011.) When you get close to the size limit, the system tells you to shrink your mailbox (delete attachments, older emails, etc.).
The deleting of the emails deletes them from the server. But! You can choose to archive them to your own local hard drive as well. (The archive is just a file that's formatted in a way that the email system can work with in addition to the normal database on the sever.)
Then, all you have to do is destroy your hard drive, wait six months, and your home free.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 01:04 PM
The Italian TV (RAI 1 or Rai-uno, as they call it) was full of beautiful ladies this evening on the news, all members of parliment and ministers including the JOM politician of the year - Maria Elena Boschi - in tight fitting slacks and 6 inch high heels how the minium wage works in Italy.
The other was a more senior (in more ways than one) minister on the deck of an Italian navy destroyer reviewing the troops and giving them some insstruction on the importance of condoms in their life ashore.
Italy. What's not to like?
Posted by: Jack is Back! (But in Typhus Hell) | June 20, 2014 at 01:04 PM
...on how the minimum wager works in Italy....
Posted by: Jack is Back! (But in Typhus Hell) | June 20, 2014 at 01:05 PM
I am watching the IRS Commissioner John Koskinen on CNN. I may be mistaken, but he appears to me to have the wisp of a shit eating grin on his face as he finishes up his last bit of testimony to Congress. If he is a Public Servant he certainly does not strike me as demonstrating the behavior of a "servant".
...the hard drive failed, and the information cannot be retrieved, it is regularly recycled and destroyed...I think it is very important to not leave any implication here that there was any attempt to get rid of evidence, even before the investigation started, but I think it is important to remind people that the evidence demonstrates that Miss Lerner worked very hard, the IT people worked very hard, the CI division people worked very hard to restore the E-mails.
I just ran the last bit of that thru the replay function to transcribe it, and the wisp of a shit eating grin stands out to me once again.
Good Morning.
Posted by: daddy | June 20, 2014 at 01:11 PM
Eric Cantor is speaking on the house floor on Cspan. He is praising Stenny Hoyer right now.
Not shitting you.
Could McRINO do it any worse?
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 20, 2014 at 01:11 PM
Or, don't even archive the deleted emails. Just delete them. No need for a phony hard drive crash then. (Maybe IRS required the deleted emails to be locally archived, although I don't remember reading that in the pdf that hit linked the other day.)
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 01:12 PM
Daddy, did they ever say that the emails were once on the hard drive? (All Lerner said was "files.") If so, that would mean they were archived. Has anyone claimed that they were?
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 01:13 PM
Ext, if that indeed is how the IRS e-mail system worked, then
1. It violated the law (requiring record-keeping)
2. It doesn't mean the various recipients' systems worked similarly.
Posted by: jimmyk | June 20, 2014 at 01:15 PM
Eric Cantor is speaking on the house floor on Cspan. He is praising Stenny Hoyer right now.
And Cantor wonders why he lost.
And the "top men" wonder why the conservative base doesn't trust them.
Posted by: James D. | June 20, 2014 at 01:16 PM
Now I turn on Rush, (1 hour delay), and I see he is going into depth on earlier lies out of Public Servant Koskinen. Hopefully much of this has been covered and hopefully I'll find out during catch-up that there were fireworks and something was accomplished.
Posted by: daddy | June 20, 2014 at 01:18 PM
Ext:
Then, all you have to do is destroy your hard drive, wait six months, and your home free.
But . . . to rid yourself of those troublesome emails, you wouldn't have to destroy your entire hard drive. You could just hard delete the .pst file.
Oh, I see your 1:12 already got there.
Posted by: Jeff Dobbs | June 20, 2014 at 01:20 PM
Daddy, did they ever say that the emails were once on the hard drive?
Ext, didn't see enough to hear that before the session ended, but Rush is certainly on a tear. He is summing it up tho' by saying that unless a whistleblower comes up with the e-mails we will never get the e-mails or the answers.
Posted by: daddy | June 20, 2014 at 01:20 PM
pagar@10:12 Tony Messenger
It may be of some small comfort to know recent STL Post-Dispatch circulation numbers (via wikipedia):
213,472 (2010)
191,631 (2011)
178,801 (2012)
Posted by: AliceH | June 20, 2014 at 01:24 PM
Even if the files were archived on her hard drive, wouldn't her hard drive be backed up to a server somewhere? When we used lotus notes we archived on the hard drives but every 3 days your hard drive was autobacked to a central server. Every 3 days was what was required to be able to cover all pc boxes in the building. All laptops were required to be synched and backed up to a server weekly as well. The server would send nastygrams if you weren't following protocols. Those nastygrams would also get copied to the notes admin and your direct report.
Posted by: Stephanie tortoise not the hare | June 20, 2014 at 01:24 PM
If the IG did a thorough investigation, why didn't he find out and report this catastrophic failure?
Posted by: Sue | June 20, 2014 at 01:25 PM
Ext, how does that explain the recovered emails that were prior to the time period in question?
My head is pretty thick, so I apologize for not understanding.
Again, if there was a break in the pattern, I am led to conclude that the pattern was derived from data both prior to as well as post the alleged break.
Posted by: Threadkiller | June 20, 2014 at 01:25 PM
2. It doesn't mean the various recipients' systems worked similarly.
Correct. And if DoJ, FBI, FEC or White House systems save yearly backups, a new administration in 2016 can recover all email to/from Lerner, Paz, Flax, etc., from any of those domains.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 01:27 PM
Even if the files were archived on her hard drive, wouldn't her hard drive be backed up to a server somewhere?
I don't think this is common practice. At a major IT company I know of, you could set up an automatic backup, but a) it's not mandatory, and b) you choose the files that get backed up.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 01:31 PM
"and something was accomplished"
Perhaps a bit of political reinforcement regarding Democrat = LIAR but little else. Ryan could have achieved more by asking for a quick layman's review of IRS requirements for retention of documents followed by the IRS 'presumption of guilt' when they are not produced. His "I don't believe you." would have much greater political impact if it were preceded by "Based upon the record keeping demands the IRS places on citizens and its actions when those demands are not met, I do not believe you nor should anyone else."
Posted by: Rick B | June 20, 2014 at 01:31 PM
"You could just hard delete the .pst file."
No, because deleted files are easily recoverable. You have to literally destroy the hard drive.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPad | June 20, 2014 at 01:32 PM
Another question...
Why wasn't she saving her archives to her designated server box (drive e f g h whatever) instead of to her local drive? There are no limits on your designated server drives other than server space and then they just tie another box to that server drive designation and continue on.
It would be against sarbox to archive anything to your local pc.
In my above post when I said local I was thinking local server not personal pc which is what got me thinking about local v local local.
Posted by: Stephanie tortoise not the hare | June 20, 2014 at 01:36 PM
Our Public Servants at the IRS:
Posted by: daddy | June 20, 2014 at 01:36 PM
Ext, how does that explain the recovered emails that were prior to the time period in question?
What they claimed was that those were recovered from other people at irs.gov, who she copied or corresponded with.
Again, if there was a break in the pattern, I am led to conclude that the pattern was derived from data both prior to as well as post the alleged break.
That whole "pattern" thing sounds like b.s. to me.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 20, 2014 at 01:36 PM
"I don't think this is common practice."
I think it is common for email, which normally resides on a server. That whole businesses of size limits and having to archive onto ones individual hard drive went the way of the dodo at least 8-10 years ago in my experience. Of course it wouldn't be shocking if a government office were 5-10 years behind the times, but not when the law requires records to be preserved.
Posted by: jimmyk on iPad | June 20, 2014 at 01:39 PM