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We should have a Tea non-Party open thread.

Comments

[James D.]

First?

Hey, someone has to do it!

[Captain Hate]

So the GOPe expects the Tea Party people to just overlook the pamphlets calling them all racists? I don't think that's gonna happen.

[We hardly knew ye.]

Yah, Democracy.

[MarkO]

In my experience, Mississippi Republicans can be experts in racism.

A foul exercise from an doddering old man. And, his idiot party.

[Jack is Back! (But in Typhus Hell)]

New post by Frederick is up. Day four in Rome.

[MarkO]

Oh, and

DOOM.

[Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz]

Every endeavor is a two step forward one step back process. That Cochran, a longtime incumbent, was even in a run off against a largely unknown opponent and needed the help of Dems to win demonstrates how tenuous the hold of the mushy Reps and statist Dems is on power and how little difference there is between their desire to hold onto that power at any cost.
They both recognize the source of that power is the size and scope of government.

How are they not the common enemy of people who prefer liberty to dependence"
To me the RINO/Rockefeller wing of the party is like the Mensheviks; putative allies useful for taking over but actual enemies to be jettisoned or converted as soon as possible if power is attained.

[lesser pagar]

Obamacare sucks it all out in qt 1. If you believe that it won't get worse, I believe you're wrong.

LUN

[James D.]

Yes, they do, CH.

They always expect people to forget what's said and done in a campaign once it's over.

"It's just politics."

"Everybody does it."

Etc.

It's the same thinking that leaves establishment folks whining about how the electorate is so polarized, when, after a six-month campaign of telling voters that their opponent is incompetent/deluded/corrupt/traitorous/etc, and that the election of said opponent will lead to the fall of the Republic, they then sit down, shake the hands of their opponent and agree to work together on some Grand Bargain 3,000 page bill.

We're supposed to just forget the rhetoric, the campaign promises, everything, once we've done our job, which is to write them checks, volunteer for their campaigns, and cast our vote for them on election day. Once that's done, we're supposed to shut the heck up and let them get on with their "real" work.

[Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz]

John Fund reminds us that the Cochran campaign and "establishment" were encouraging Dems to violate the law to vote for good ol' Thad.

[clarice]

right you are, Iggy.

[narciso]

I noted last night, that Eastland, Cochran's predecessors, practically had to be carried out
after 37 years, Stennis, 42 years. 'It's almost
'100 years of Solitude' territory,

[lesser pagar]

"3,000 page bill" that none of them wrote or read or will suffer any ill effect from because they have a lifetime job. As long as they keep generating more and more voters who need their government freebies that are to be paid for by future generations.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Messi goal at 2 minutes.

[Threadkiller]

To me the RINO/Rockefeller wing of the party is like the Mensheviks; putative allies useful for taking over but actual enemies to be jettisoned or converted as soon as possible if power is attained.

This is why "repeal and replace" was a dud for Romney.

The Chick-fil-A crowd stayed at home when they realized Mitt wanted the get his grubby paws on the tiller of the HHS 1/6 of The Economy steamer ship.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Nigeria goal at 3:50.

Wow. Might have some scoring in this one.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

This is why "repeal and replace" was a dud for Romney.

The Chick-fil-A crowd stayed at home when they realized Mitt wanted the get his grubby paws on the tiller of the HHS 1/6 of The Economy steamer ship

Yep. Most voters want something to vote for. Affirmatively.

He's better than the other guy (the RINO mating call) ain't gonna cut it for most voters. It's why when a RINO wins republican turnout suffers in the general. If your only distinction is not style of governance (favors gov't intervention) but I'll do it slower, you won't generate enthusiasm.

[Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz]

Especially because what they're really saying is;

but I'll do it destroy the country slower

[Captain Hate]

The Chick-fil-A crowd stayed at home when they realized Mitt wanted the get his grubby paws on the tiller of the HHS 1/6 of The Economy steamer ship.

If by "the Chick-fil-A crowd" you mean conservatives, you have logic on your side but not the election results. Conservatives held their noses and voted for a RINO.

In vain.

Again.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

You know that migraine I had the other day? Still got it. Ugh. A bullet would feel better. And no I'm not going to do that. But it's spreading into my neck and shoulders and no amount of meds is helping.

[Old Lurker]

More Gin, less tonic, Steph.

[glasater]

Clarice shared a link on her FB page which led me to the one below:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/26/irs-employees-union-is-very-concerned-about-being-required-to-enroll-in-obamacares-health-insurance-exchanges/

I've read a story about how employers are now working with insurance companies to have health insurance companies provide policies with one and two thousand dollar deductibles for employees - employers are not going to be picking up the cost of that deductible you can bet on that.

So a lot more money is going to be coming out of middle class pockets re healthcare and these are the people already hurting from paying higher gas and food prices.

Doom!

I'll send MarkO a picture to pay for his royalty fee...

[Extraneus]

The Cochran thing is just a microcosm of what we can look forward to in 2016. The Fnork are in charge of the primary rules, and if they have to rely on Democrat votes, well...

[Dave (in MA)]

OL, the last thing a migraine sufferer wants to consider is booze, in my experience. High doses of caffeine, providing that you can keep it down.

[Captain Hate]

There's a lot of time between now and November and in that time some bruised feelings might heal, but I'm seeing a lot of animosity toward the GOPe in how the Mississippi race was run. I don't know if McDaniel will run a write in campaign, like Murkowski, or not but if the party of stoopid fails again to capture the Senate because of things like this, they'll have only themselves and their poor leadership to blame.

[lesser pagar]

Do a bad enough job & get a bonus.

http://www.jammiewf.com/2014/awesome-38-employees-behind-bungled-oregon-obamacare-exchange-to-get-fat-bonuses/

Unbelievable!

[Threadkiller]

That isn't how I view the demographic of the Chick-fil-A crowd, CH.

I think of them as being purists that will not hold their nose for fear of going to Hell if they do.

Have you ever watched a truly devoted Christian forgive someone who has killed their child? I have and it mystified me and shook my faith.

Deep down I am a vengeance kind of guy, with that vengeance coming from my hand.

I believe there is a huge swath of the country that has made their agreement with Jesus and find it in keeping with the agreement to not vote for something that can be seen as contrary to that agreement.

The Chick-fil-A event was in keeping with something pure. Voting for RINOs that are ok witb "certain" abortions is not.

As near as I can tell Cantor lost to a candidate that did not leave some ambiguity hanging out there to give cause to consider a vote for him as being of hold your nose variety.

Being true to yourself is fundamental to this group.

Why else do you think Evangelicals are such a threat to politics?

[narciso]

Kang or Kodos, you have to pick one;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/al-qaeda-pledges-allegiance-to-isis-in-syria/

the fact that even Nino couldn't shred the SkyDragon netting, like they couldn't affirm
marriage, or defend us from the heath care leviathan, is concerning,

will Cochran, Graham, et al, really challenge a fundamental transformation agent to the Court,

[jimmyk on iPad]

"It's almost
'100 years of Solitude' territory,"

All about the pork. Mississippi is like W VA that way. That Rove and the RINOs fight for that is maddening.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Dave, sometimes a shot can help in the early stages if you feel it coming on, but once it's full blown, yes, I avoid it totally.

[James D.]

if the party of stoopid fails again to capture the Senate because of things like this, they'll have only themselves and their poor leadership to blame.

You know that, and I know that. But if Cochran does lose in November, he, and the GOP leadership, and all of the MSM, will blame it on "tea party extremists" who turned their back on Cochran because they are sore losers, political terrorists, or whatever the insult du jour is on November 5th (or whatever day it is).

And that will be said regardless of the reality of the polls.

[Captain Hate]

I thought evangelicals turned out in large numbers for Romney also; although I might be wrong about that. NK or Janet would be my go to people on that.

[glasater]

Captain-

I think the statistic was that evangelicals supported Romney more than McCain in '08. But I can't remember the so-called "group" that stayed home in '12.

[Porchlight]

Clarice also posted this which cheered me up a little:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/25/bad-night-for-democrats/

From Natchez to Norwood to Naples - Not only will Democrats be denied the opportunity to rummage through Mississippi state Sen. Chris McDaniel’s past and present statements in a bid to make him the Rep. Todd Akin of 2014, but Colorado Republicans lined up behind a very electable ticket. Colorado Democrats had hoped to ruin the chances of Rep. Cory Gardner, the GOP Senate challenger who is threatening incumbent Sen. Mark Udall, by associating Gardner with former Rep. Tom Tancredo. Democrats spent money to bolster the gubernatorial bid of Tancredo, an immigration hardliner, whose policies and rhetoric would have posed constant challenges to Gardner as Democrats tarred them with the same brush. Instead, Colorado Republicans picked the more temperate former Rep. Bob Beauprez to take on Gov. John Hickenlooper. A flawed gubernatorial candidate hurt GOP Senate chances in Colorado in 2010, but this time the red team will have a clear lane to challenge a very vulnerable incumbent. Down in Florida, a Republican deemed “too radical” handily won a special House election to replace a scandal-soaked member booted after a drug bust. Democrats hardly tried to stop the rise of Rep.-elect Curt Clawson. Meanwhile, other potentially damaging primary contests in other states all flopped the right way for the GOP to have the advantage in November.

I dunno. Maybe this is just the RINO view. But with the revised Q1 news, it could be that by November things will be so bad that Dems will be toppled no matter what.

[lyle]

Posted without comment:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/24/obama-blames-republicans-poor-border-security/

[Threadkiller]

As I understand it, Cochrane ran unopposed in his 2008 primary.

But this time the Chick-fil-A crowd made there presence known and Thad gave the other side of the aisle a reach-around to secure his victory.

IMHO.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

What is that stuff they spray on the field in front of the wall before a free kick? It looks like shaving cream.

This ref is good, so far. God's understanding of advantage.

Goooooaaaaallll Messi on a free kick.

[Extraneus]

The fight is surely on between Country and Ruling Class Republicans. New tactics need to be developed. Cochran's team uses Dem votes; what's the comeback for that?

This war calls for escalation.

[James D.]

I believe there is a huge swath of the country that has made their agreement with Jesus and find it in keeping with the agreement to not vote for something that can be seen as contrary to that agreement.

The Chick-fil-A event was in keeping with something pure. Voting for RINOs that are ok witb "certain" abortions is not.

I think this is partially right.

I do think the "chick-fil-a demographic" WILL probably, reluctantly, go to the polls and cast a vote for the lesser of two evils, if that's the only available choice. But they won't open their checkbooks, or put up yard signs, or volunteer to go door to door, or drag friends & relatives to the polls, etc.

And that's a big part of what the "enthusiasm gap" gets at. An unenthusiastic vote is worth exactly the same as a passionate one. But while an unenthusiastic voter will only deliver one vote (and maybe not even that if it's a crummy day at work, or it's raining too heavily out, etc), a passionate, committed voter might ultimately bring several other votes with them.

Offering mush (at best) is not the way to produce passionate voters.

I also think that the chick-fil-a people just want a candidate who will address them, respect them, and, most importantly, not insult or mock them.

Which is something that the GOPe doesn't seem remotely interested in doing.

[Porchlight]

But I can't remember the so-called "group" that stayed home in '12.

Conservatives, if you believe the punditry. I am always skeptical of exit polls - hard to know who to believe. It seemed incredible that anyone even remotely right-leaning would turn down the chance to get rid of Obama, but maybe it really happened.

[Porchlight]

*whom* to believe, sorry. ;)

[Extraneus]

This is not good news.

LA Times: We need an independent investigator for the IRS

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Cochran's team uses Dem votes; what's the comeback for that?

Closed primaries. must be registered r to vote.

[Extraneus]

Fnork in charge. Not gonna happen. Needs to be something dirtier.

[Jeff Dobbs]

NK or Janet would be my go to people on that.

Chopped liver here...

White Evangelical/Born Again votes...

2012 Romney 26.2M
2008 McCain 25.3M
2004 Bush 21.9M

[Extraneus]

Fnork in charge. Not gonna happen. Need something dirtier.

[Threadkiller]

I don't trust exit polls.

The exit poll that told Jindal that the GOP was "the party of stupid" was heavily influenced by calling people at home.

Shouldn't an exit poll be done next to the exit sign?

It also turned out the polling service is contracted by all the major network and cable news stations. One source?

My hunch is they will never go and ask people why they truly stay home out of fear that the overwhelming answer will make candidates with a $200,000 budget realize they can best Goliath with his millions.

[Captain Hate]

I thought it was the "undecideds" or "persuadeables" or whatever catch phrase of the day there is for people who are too damn stupid to formulate an opinion, that were the key demographic for 404.

[Captain Hate]

Sorry hit; you da man.

[AliceH]

Missouri has open primaries. If they didn't, I wouldn't vote in primaries. I'm not registering with a political party - ever.

[Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz]

Most evangelicals I know, including me, will usually vote for the lesser of two evils.
At some point, as the evil gets worse, that will change.
But obviously, so long as the choice is between the greater and lesser of two evils, the outcome and the trend is necessarily, well, evil.

[Threadkiller]

I should note that Jindal and I have different reasons for calling the GOP the party of stupid.

[narciso]

Ah, McMillan, you know there was more to that 'unexpected' story, that left Maes in that slot

[derwill]

I think the Dems outsmarted themselves in allowing the GOPe to use them to keep Cochran in office. Knowing the GOPe and based on past experience, if McDaniel had won they would have stabbed him in the back, thereby giving the Dem candidate (whoever he is) a decent chance to win in November--especially with the MFM smearing McDaniel as a cross between Hitler and a KKK grand vizier. Now, I think Cochran will win pretty handily, even if there are some McDaniel voters disgruntled enough to stay home. It's a deep red state and Cochran has such huge name recognition, and he's brought home the pork.

[Jeff Dobbs]

But I can't remember the so-called "group" that stayed home in '12.

Conservatives, if you believe the punditry.

Oh yeah, Exit Polls aren't all that reliable, but you go to comment with the exit polls you got, not the exit polls you wish you had.

And so...

There were 2.3M fewer total votes in 2012 vs 2008

There were 5.5M fewer self-identified Moderates in 2012 vs 2008

There were 146K fewer self-identified Conservatives in 2012 vs 2008

There were 3.3M more self-identified Liberals in 2012 vs 2008

1.7M more self-identified Conservatives voted for Romney than voted for McCain.

1.3M fewer self-identified Moderates voted for Romney than voted for McCain.

760K fewer self identified Conservatives voted 3rd party in 2012 vs 2008

610K more self-identified Moderates voted 3rd party in 2012 vs 2008

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Yep the fnork is in charge. Matter of fact I saw somewhere yesterday that some RINO fnorks are pushing to change some closed states to open states, so it appears they have decided on their long term strategy for dealing with the tea party - invite the dems in on an as needed basis.

[Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz]

BTW our friend in Chicago was inspired by the great Thad Cochran to coin a new political term; inscumbent.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

I appreciate that sentiment Alice, but you can't have real "republican" primaries without limiting it to registered republican voters.

Nigeria goal at 46:45.

[narciso]

Which is why I called 2012, an Occupy election, 'Restraining Order, Baldwin, at least one other, could not have won without that cohort, and the IRS's Godzilla stomp on the Tea Party

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

CaptH-- best analysis I saw was that Obummer pulled out 2012 based on way overperforming pre-election polls with 20somethings (especially female) and older black voters (especially female) he overperformed polls by couple of million votes nation-wide in those groups and Romney underperformed working class whites, by millions of votes (4+) Were those working class whites who stayed at home conservatives?, evangelicals? who can say, they stayed home, even though they were voters in other elections, and were reasonably expected to turn out. Romney's failed message to working class/GOTV turned a cliffhanger into a stone cold loser. That analysis made me an early Walker supporter.

[AliceH]

From Tom's link:
*****
Roger Smith, a black Democrat who said he was being paid to organize for Mr. Cochran, said, “I don’t know too much about McDaniel other than what McDaniel’s saying: that he’s Tea Party, he’s against Obama, he don’t like black people.”

“You’re going to get one of the white guys in there,” he said. “You got to make a choice.”
******

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why arguing that our leaders in DC should be replaced by the first 535 names in the phone book continues to resonate.

[Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz]

The obvious way to save our country is to repeal the 19th Amendment. :)

[Jeff Dobbs]

"McDaniel’s saying ... he don’t like black people."

Boy, if I had a nickel for every time I heard McDaniel say he don't like black people....

[AliceH]

you can't have real "republican" primaries without limiting it to registered republican voters.

I don't object at all. Just pointing out there will be a shift in favor of incumbents and RINOs by allowing only card-carrying party members to vote. Trade offs are inevitable with any system.

[Rick B]

CH,

There really isn't good data on '12 regarding total demographic splits due to cutbacks in exit polling. Perhaps the best way to look at it is that Bishop Goldilocks was unable to elicit a sufficient positive response even in the face of continued consummate failure on the part of his opponent.

I see only one oligarchy. The final difference between Tom Steyer and Paul Singer is similar to that between tertiary syphilis and AIDS. The "party" which they use as an instrument to shear the voting flock is incidental to their ends while they're end should be the primary goal of the flock. I don't favor 'let it burn' but if presented with a situation where quick action could save only one between Steyer and Singer, I'd have to sleep on the choice.

[Old Lurker]

I got in big trouble for saying that a few years back Iggy.

But it has been turtles all the way down since hasn't it?

[Old Lurker]

Because, Hit, you know, Tea Party folks say that all the time, don't they? Why, you'd be rich if you only got a penny each time we say we don't like black people. Even if you only counted the politicians every time they say that. Golly Gee.

[lyle]

Because everyone needs a chuckle...wait, isn't this actually plausible? People's Cube:

Accusations of siding with the enemy leave Sgt. Bergdahl with only two options: pursue a doctorate at Berkley or become a Senator from Massachusetts

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Not if it's sold to the tea party and independent minded folks to register as reps. If you tend to always pull the rep slate in a primary to take into the voting booth, why would you want to leave the fate of that slate to sinister tactics? Or do you vote the independent slate?

You can't expect to change the party rules and tactics without grabbing your seat at their table.

[Old Lurker]

Steph, it's called "Vanishing Foam" and per Wiki "The can contains water (~80%), butane gas (~20%), surfactant (~1%), and other ingredients (~2%). The butane expands when the pressure changes, forming small drops of butane, covered with water, on the ground. Eventually the butane evaporates, leaving only water and surfactant residue on the ground."

[Jeff Dobbs]

Ig:
The obvious way to save our country is to repeal the 19th Amendment.

The 19th Amendment promotes a Cis-centered, Cis-sexist, Cis-supremacist view of gender that has no place in the 21st century.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Thanks, OL. It certainly speeds up free kicks as the ref doesn't have to keep moving the wall back into place.

[AliceH]

You can't expect to change the party rules and tactics without grabbing your seat at their table.

Right. But at least I don't have to suffer them grabbing at mine.

[daddy]

Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?

So yesterday, just as I finished a good dog walk about 9 PM, I get Scout up in the truck and she's drinking water that I've poured into her water bowl. Fry is milling about in the Parking Lot, and I'm just ready to put him in, when up comes a fairly aggressive dog towards Fry. This startles Scout so she jumps down out of the truck and then the snarling and dog fight starts.

Grrrr,
Grrrr, Yourself!
Grrrr back at ya'
Your mother sez Grrrr
Don't you Grrr 'bout my mother

etc...

Immediately I grab for Scouts collar to pull her back and the aggressive dog decides to take a bite out of my calf. Ouch!

So that's why instead of sitting around on the computer pulling assigned JOM night shift duties, I was instead at the Clinic all night long, getting the tetanus shot and the antibiotic prescriptions, and the blood scrubbed from the puncture wounds on my leg, and the bandages and all the rest, so I do apologize for not being at my post last night to commiserate.

On the plus side, I don't have rabbies yet!

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

I know I'm muddled today but I don't see how they can "grab at yours"

[Threadkiller]

Another thing I thought about with Rove & Thad's Excellent DemVenture is why babies like Hannity cry so much about a third party.

They are running out the clock on a political power grab so when the fed-up in this country finally leave the GOP the newly merged Republicrats will be a large enough party to smash the alternative to bits.

[Captain Hate]

Romney underperformed working class whites, by millions of votes (4+) Were those working class whites who stayed at home conservatives?, evangelicals? who can say, they stayed home, even though they were voters in other elections, and were reasonably expected to turn out. Romney's failed message to working class/GOTV turned a cliffhanger into a stone cold loser. That analysis made me an early Walker supporter.

I think that was a good take away from that election. I just didn't see Romney appealing to the Reagan democrats; and that isn't an after the fact analysis. Everything about him screamed Richie Rich and that was before 404's minions started amplifying it. That and being the steward of Romneycare made him a tone-deaf choice of epic proportions. And that's our GOPe.

[Threadkiller]

Maybe Hannity has come around on third parties.

I don't know because I quit watching/listening to him.

[Dave (in MA)]

"Steph, it's called "Vanishing Foam"

Not to be confused with the magic spray used by trainers to cure crippling fake injuries of guys flopping around on the ground trying to get a penalty called.

[Captain Hate]

Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?

I did; Travis should've put a blast through Arliss's empty head.

[narciso]

they sought to teach a lesson, two can play at that game

http://therightscoop.com/tea-party-leader-chris-mcdaniel-should-run-as-write-in-candidate-in-november-election/

Watering down the brand, gives you a blanc mangelike Cameron, with all the appetizing aspect of 'bubble and squeak'

[Threadkiller]

Geez daddy!

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Party: If you hate obamacare vote for Romney.

Voter: Romney was the architect of obamacare v 1.0 wasn't he?

Party: See he's better!

[Captain Hate]

On the plus side, I don't have rabbies yet!

You might because any literate person knows it's "rabies". Dean Smith would be so disappointed.

[AliceH]

it was a stretched reference to standard location of ones wallet ;) [not even accurate in my case since I carry a purse]

As many emails, phone calls, surveys, snail mail requests for money as I get now (no matter how how many I unsubscribe/block/etc), goodness knows what would happen if I actually REGISTERED.

There's also the matter of where I live: I'd lose the option to vote locally if I registered Republican because 100% of local/county/regional office holders are Democrats.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Dang, daddy. On the bright side, that dog identified you as the leader of the pack.

Earworm in 5 4 3...

[Captain Hate]

Is anybody else perplexed by Rove's uncharacteristic silence just before and after the Mississippi race (unless he's had his whiteboard on Fox unbeknownst to me). After 2012 he loudly made it known to the mega-donors that he would be involved in primaries and was in the initial run between multiple candidates. He then notably dropped his American Crossroads out of the contest which I thought was a clear sign that he saw Cochran as a loser. Whether he was surreptitiously working with vermin like LaTourrette I don't know but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on that.

Does anybody know anything otherwise?

[daddy]

Well it could'a been worse I 'suppose, since a guy's dog got eaten by wolves last week on one of my favorite local trails.

Apparent wolf attack that killed dog a lesson on what to do during an encounter

[Jeff Dobbs]

I was half expecting for it to turn into a "man bites dog that bites man" story.

Ok, not so much "expecting" as "kinda hoping".

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

That was what I thought it might be, but I take extreme pleasure in sending back those missives with "tea party get lost" plastered across them.

Don't know what to do about the local issue other than move. :)

[lyle]

Occasional JOM commenter at PJM:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/06/24/longest-serving-president/2/

[lesser pagar]

" I'm not registering with a political party - ever."

To the best of my knowledge, I have never registered with any one. I simply will not vote for a Democrat. They believe in nothing I believe is right. In my opinion, the primary is the most important vote because as soon as the primary winner is declared, the person I will vote for is decided.

[daddy]

You might because any literate person knows it's "rabies". Dean Smith would be so disappointed.

Oh yeah@#$, Well I got 2 3 Doctorate's from UNC Chapel Hill! And I think I'll pick up another one today. So there!

Off to the Pharmacy:) Later.

[CR]

Stephanie,

Have you tried an anti-nausea drug (aka phenegan) to help stop the migraine or in worst case scenario a small dose of a steroid? (Obviously with doctor's input.)

[lyle]

Sorry about your bite, daddy. Glad you don't have "rabbis" either.

As for wolves killing a dog, how about wolves killing a mountain lion? Happened in the Sun Valley area two or three years ago.

[Extraneus]

Battle said the dog owner initially did the wrong thing by running from the wolves. But he ultimately did the right thing by standing in place, waving and shouting at the wolves.

You can't get away by running away from a predator like a bear or a wolf, Battle said. All that does is stoke their instinct to chase prey.

"There's no way you'll outrun something with four feet," he said. "There's a point you might have to fight back, but standing your ground initially is always the thing to do."

What's wrong with these death-defying Alaskans who don't carry a gun in the wild?

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

No I haven't. Will mention that to the doc next visit and see what she thinks. It's getting really frustrating. They've been much more numerous since the surgery last fall.

I need to go run a few errands, but a blindfold to keep out the sun and driving don't mix well.

At least I'm not casino bound this week. Can you imagine a migraine with all that slot noise? Shudder.

[daddy]

Sorry about your bite, daddy.

No big deal Lyle.

In about 12 hours I'll be pulling into Indianapolis and if I hustle on over to Ike and Jonesies before last call I may be able to down a couple shots of the hair of the dog that bit me.

Hey bartender, give me a couple pints of short hair German Sheppard.

[Captain Hate]

I was wondering about that, Ext. Of course a park employee would never ok it but there's no way I walk a dog in an area containing wolves where I'm not packing a firearm legally or otherwise. A Jack Russell versus three wolves? Sounds pretty unequal to me. Jacks are so hyper it probably only annoyed them more.

[Captain Hate]

German Sheppard

You're just lobbing them in now.