Two Papers In One

The NY Times provides double coverage of Obama's emerging war on coal. First, the good news (for their Upper West Side readership) about Obama's proposed new EPA regulations:

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Monday will announce one of the strongest actions ever taken by the United States government to fight climate change, a proposed Environmental Protection Agency regulation to cut carbon pollution from the nation’s power plants 30 percent from 2005 levels by 2030, according to people briefed on the plan.

...

Because burning coal is the largest source of the greenhouse gas emissions that scientists blame for trapping heat in the atmosphere and dangerously warming the planet, the rule is expected to have a powerful environmental impact. 

One little rule covering the US but not Europe, China or India? Please. If, I say IF Obama can leverage this into a global deal, then maybe it will be a drop or two in the bucket.

The Times comes home to reality in a news analysis piece accompanying the main story:

Trying to Reclaim Leadership on Climate Change

...

On Monday, Mr. Obama is bypassing Congress and taking one of the biggest steps any American president has ever taken on climate change, proposing new rules to cut emissions at power plants. Yet, by itself, the president’s plan will barely nudge the global emissions that scientists say are threatening the welfare of future generations.

“Is it enough to stop climate change? No,” said Ted Nordhaus, chairman of the Breakthrough Institute, an environmental think tank in Oakland, Calif. “No political leader in the world has a serious agenda to do that.”

Powerful, yet ineffectual; somehow that captures the spirit of this administration.

It is clear Mr. Obama’s immediate goal is not to solve the emissions problem, but to get the country moving faster in the right direction. The new rule alone offers little hope that the United States and other nations can achieve cuts on a scale required to meet the internationally agreed limit on global warming. But experts say that achieving the pledge Mr. Obama made in Copenhagen — a 17 percent reduction in the nation’s greenhouse gases by 2020, compared with the 2005 level — would be quite likely, if his plan survives.

And will that be enough?

The world’s nations have set a goal to limit the warming of the planet to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, or 2 degrees Celsius, above the preindustrial level. If that is to happen, many studies suggest that global emissions need to peak no later than 2020 and then begin to fall. Today, emissions are not falling nearly fast enough in the West, and those reductions are being swamped by a rapid rise in the East. Experts say that a global peak in 2020 is exceedingly unlikely, if not impossible — and that will be true even if the United States and other nations manage to keep the pledges they made in 2009.

Well into the 2020s, it will still be technically possible to meet the global warming target, but the longer nations put off taking bold action, the more expensive and disruptive it will be to do so once they finally get serious.

They do mention that fracking plus the economic collapse make 2005 an attractive baseline:

Thanks partly to a surfeit of natural gas that few people saw coming, emissions in the United States have already fallen 10 percent from 2005 levels and are still heading down, even without Mr. Obama’s new rule.

They forgot to mention the recession, but I didn't.

Comments

[MarkO]

DOOM.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Obummer attacks USA energy production. Senate Dems hardest hit. I swear Obummmer is trying to drive all middle class white and asian people out of the Dem Party. Does he assume productive black and latino people will put up with this Leftwing BS forever? Sick joke.

[Buckeye]

The rate at which coal-fired power plants are being built in China, with nothing like the pollution controls on plants in the western world, renders this latest EPA action as just pissing in the wind

[MarkO]

Admission:

“Is it enough to stop climate change? No,” said Ted Nordhaus, chairman of the Breakthrough Institute, an environmental think tank in Oakland, Calif. “No political leader in the world has a serious agenda to do that.”

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

I can say without fear of contradiction, that no politician's agenda -- serious or satirical-- will have any effect on 'climate change'.

[Jack is Back!]

I wonder if any enterprising engineer is looking at how to retool our electric dispatch system which relies heavily on coal and nuclear as baseload capacity. (This is the 365/24/7 reliabiility of electric power you come to expect).

When they start shutting down the baseload coal-fired plants and begin to substitute renewables (laugh here) or the new sexy fuel of NG (there are questions of reliability on a 365/24/7 basis), you need to have a new algorithm to control the dispatch of that power.

No indiviidual utility can do it since the system is interconnected in 3 disparate networks. It has to be done at the NERC level (National Electricity Reliability Council). A fascinating project to be involved with since changing dispatch dynamics like this probably hasn't been done before because nuclear is even more reliable and available than coal.

[Beasts of England]

Said it many times before: This is just another attack on middle class America - which, he views as mainly white and, therefore, mainly evil. He hates typical white folks with a passion and this is merely his latest act of revenge. Anyone who doesn't believe that is - as Buckeye noted - pissing in the wind.

The fact that it increases state control is just gravy for Teh Won. Have I mentioned that I really, really, really don't care much for him?

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Leftist political control and racialism are what Obummer is all about.. those.. and getting his political pals paid (unions, racial grievance mongers and business cronies.) He really is a disgusting cretin... so disgusting, he doesn't even know he's disgusting because of his racial grievance claims.

[Beasts of England]

A buddy of mine sent me the link for this boat listing. If y'all wanna chip in and get me something for my birthday, this would be very appropriate - and much appreciated. I'd even take everyone out for a quick spin around the lake on it...

http://www.boatinternational.com/yacht-sales/40594/illusion-for-sale#expanded

[Neo]

Interesting ... EPA makes the announcement without Obama

[Neo]

I gather that the helicopter is optional

[Old Lurker]

Can't say he didn't warn us that this was coming, and we elected him anyway.

[nextcube]

JiB: We've been hearing for years from the 'academics' that we need to build a new distribution network for the modern 'renewable' energy world. Of course, who would be left paying for that infrastructure is always left out of the discussion.

A few years ago, up here in Central NY, a group called New York Regional Interconnect was pushing to build a HVDC line from Marcy, NY to Port Jervis, NY. Among the reasons for building it - a surplus of generating capacity upstate, and a shortage downstate. While part of this was due to 'renewables' (for example, the large Maple Ridge Wind Farm in Lowville, NY is frequently unable to generate power because there's no demand for it Upstate), it's mostly because of the declining Upstate economy and the Downstate jihad against power plants. (They're busily trying to close Indian Point, for example, and they blocked the startup of the $1B Shoreham plant back in the early 90's.) It was eventually killed by a court ruling that said that the $2B cost of building it couldn't be passed along to Upstate ratepayers (who had no need for it, and would in no way benefit from it).

Why do I bring this up? NYRI, essentially, represented a 'down payment' on the new electrical grid we're all told we need...and it was fought, tooth and nail, by us hicks up here. Most of the arguments against it were based on eminent domain, safety and aesthetic concerns. (When I spoke at the public hearing I brought up my own personal lack of desire to compete with my Downstate 'betters' for the electricity we generate up here.) Anyone who wants to make 'renewables' a major portion of US power generation will almost certainly face the same problem NYRI did - no one wants HVDC lines run through their backyard! This will inevitably increase the cost/risk associated with 'renewable' energy rollouts in the short-medium term.

Eventually, the Feds will just decide that we don't have standing to sue to block these things, but in the meantime...

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Renewable electricity transmission? The Greens have Tesla's wireless electricity transmission as their hole card.

[Neo]

Obama doubles down on renewables as Europe seems to be abandoning them.

His thinking is always about 5 or 6 year back.

[Miss Marple]

The people coming into my food pantry will not be able to pay the higher rates. They are stretched thin as it is.

As much as this hurts the middle class, it is really damaging to the working poor.

[jimmyk on iPad]

"His thinking is always about 5 or 6 year back."

I guess that's "leading from behind."

[Trevor Saccucci]

I actually find a sense of relief in this manadatory generation of electricity via perpetual motion machines - for such must surely be used, with combustibles and nuclear energy made anathema and wind and solar being... Well, wind and solar. Either the American electorate buys into this twaddle and lets it come to pass, or having come to pass allows it to persist, or it does not. In the latter case, it either doesn't happen at all or gets repealed by the first set of elected officials who can count to twenty without taking their socks off. In the former case, with GDP down (and on a downward trajectory as things stand), how long before The Debt Bomb State blows, and how will its will be done without OPM? After all, mismanagement of the wealth of nations is a self-limiting proposition by definition. For that matter, how long before... Shall we say, societal forces... Force the latter to happen as a consequence of the former?

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

MissM-- we 'rich' people will have to dig a little deeper for more taxes to spread that wealth around so the undeserving poor can have electricity for video games, email and cell phone batteries.

[pagar]

The government reports, then rereports.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-02/epic-fail-ism-re-releases-may-data-says-applied-wrong-seasonal-factor-boost-headline

Even Zero Hedge knows:
"One can't make this up."

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Obummer's War on Womenz continues, making Susan Rice the lie telling patsy-- again: http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/02/rice-bergdahl-served-with-honor-and-distinction/

[Rick B]

NK,

There is no danger of alienating the Reparation Racists. The Dems have the ones that 'count' locked up on plantations and the plantations are safe until 2020. This is a Watermelon/Cap and Trade Thief play designed to keep Steyer's checkbook open. I'm betting we'll see a Sodomite play next but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Vulvarian Baby Killer move first. Abortion Barbie didn't pan out but there's always another Emily's List baby killer available.

I'd like to see another baby killer move. It would tend to hurt Landrieu, even though she's no actually an Emily's List favorite.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

RickB-- I don't think it will be another Abortion Barbie, Obummer will bend over more often and deeper for the buggerers....
not that there's anything wrong with that.

[narciso]

Doesn't this break, the 'no stupid carp' rule they pronounced earlier, or is it just to wrangle the wily 'Canadian menace'

[Trevor Saccucci]

"No stupid stuff" out of this administration would be tantamount to a national strike of the Executive Branch.

[Beasts of England]

@Neo: Y'all spring for the boat, I'll deliver the helicopter. Promise.

[narciso]

True, their understanding of no stupid stuff is from the bizarro universe;

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/02/epa-spokeswonk-tries-to-sell-obamas-power-plan-with-nirvana-style-graphics/

[glasater]

My hero for telling it like it is --Rick Santelli--pointed out in his segment on CNBC this AM that the US economy contracted last quarter (blamed on weather mainly) while Canada's economy grew.

Ironic? Or something more…

[daddy]

On Bergdahl, old friend MayBee over at Althouse posts this:

MayBee said...
The AP reports Hagel's announcement to the troops at Bagram that Bergdahl had been freed were met with silence. Military brass helpfully surmised they were "intimidated" by a visit from SecDef.

Funny. Sad.

[Old Lurker]

I miss MayBee each time I gaze upon the tasteful nudes she shared with DoT and me.

[pagar]

"World Resources Institute identifies 1,200 coal plants in planning across 59 countries, with about three-quarters in China and India"

LUN

Raising everyone's electrical costs in the US will make up for this?

Got to be kidding.
--------------------------------------
From the Trying to Regain leadership article.

"For more than a decade, people working in the twin centers of American economic ingenuity, Wall Street and Silicon Valley, have been agitating to get going on the climate problem. But they have been stymied by lack of a clear national policy about where the country was headed."

Anyone think the "people working in the twin centers of American economic ingenuity"
have given a single second of thought to how Americans paying a lot more for their electricity helps America?

[Bori]

Pagar,

You see that is part of the problem, there are many that stand to benefit from this government fiat, they know that any costs will be passed on to us, they will profit handsomely, though.

[Stephanie]

I'd even take everyone out for a quick spin around the lake on it...

A yacht that big would make it a definite quick spin around any lake except the Great Ones... be funny to see it stuck in a cove at Lanier, though.

[Beasts of England]

@glasater: Didn't know that about Canada's economy. In a larger sense, it still doesn't diminish the excuse making provided as cover for this lame administration. Ugh.

@OL: You and DoT have all the fun. Ugh. ;)

[daddy]

Good to see that the story about the Polar Bear Scientists crating bogus low-ball numbers of Polar Bears is getting more press.

“So, the global estimates were… ‘simply a qualified guess given to satisfy public demand’ and according to this statement, were never meant to be considered scientific estimates, despite what they were called, the scientific group that issued them, and how they were used,” Crockford said.

“All this glosses over what I think is a critical point: none of these ‘global population estimates’ (from 2001 onward) came anywhere close to being estimates of the actual world population size of polar bears (regardless of how scientifically inaccurate they might have been) — rather, they were estimates of only the subpopulations that Arctic biologists have tried to count,” she added...

...there are no abundance estimates for the Arctic Basin, East Greenland, and the Russian subpopulations.”

But the Science is Settled and the Polar Bear is Endangered,

[MarkO]

I was pleased to have taken those pictures of the lovely MayBee.

I comment less and less at Ann's site.

[narciso]

Did you see the Maxim list, OL, and what did you think of it

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking-bomber-suspect-worked-as-democrat-party-operative-video/

skydragon worshipers seem to have certain dispensation;

[Old Lurker]

Did you see the Maxim list, OL,

It IS Monday, Narc. Of course I peeked.

[Stephanie]

In re that Zero Hedge article,

OBAMA SOLVES OBESITY PROBLEM

BigGovIns will begin reporting weights in moon pounds instead of earth pounds.

[GMax]

Judging by the reaction of the two Army lieutenants and the one Flyboy Captain that attended the festivities, it was pretty well known that Bergdahl was a douchebag par excellence. I believe his E 7 Sarge has already said to the hell with the nondisclosure crap, this guy was a problem of his own creation.

[Old Lurker]

"OBAMA SOLVES OBESITY PROBLEM"

Overstated.

Judging by the picture posted on the other thread of "three ladies ascending stairs", the problem is only 2/3 solved.

[Stephanie]

Not if Mooch reports in moon lbs and the other two loverlies are reporting in metrics or stone or whatever the hell they are using in Eng and Spain nowadays...

She'd be stupid enough to parade her sudden 'weight loss' to all the women's mags, too.

:)

[Captain Hate]

Military brass helpfully surmised they were "intimidated" by a visit from SecDef.

Please keep making fools out of yourself.

[Miss Marple]

Beck apparently brought up the point that if THIS is how he negotiates with the Taliban and makes it public, what is he doing with Russia and China?

[Rick B]

Trevor,

Can the debt bomb go off before the Fed stops the ZIRP fantasy? Do the TBTF Zombanks propping what used to be a stock market have to keel over first? Between the Fed's synthetic OPM injections and the constant flow of chocolate ration style statistical fabrication, I'm pretty sure reality will not make an appearance prior to the GOP having control of both houses.

At that point it will become a problem caused by the GOP.

[daddy]

Just my opinion, but in regards to Sarah Palin, I think this is a serious misread of her aims by Haley Barbour:

Haley Barbour Dismisses Palin And Santorum As Self-Interested ‘Outside Celebrities’

Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour is dismissing Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum as “outside celebrities” who have gotten involved in the highly-charged Mississippi GOP Senate primary to “help themselves nationally.”

Saying that Palin is doing this to "help herself nationally" is a gross misread of her character, and shows me that Barbour is simply another political hack who'll say anything. If that's what you think she's been doing by running around for years now campaigning for Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and Mike Lee and Alan West, then you're blind and a big part of our problem.

[Captain Hate]

As a fellow Moron pointed out, Haley Barbour needs to be repeatedly kicked in the nuts.

[Miss Marple]

daaddy,

I agree. She said long ago that she would determine whether she could help most by running herself or helping others, which she has done.

Sorely disappointed in Barbour, who turned out to be a pretty good governor but annoying as hell when it comes to presidential politics.

[Jane]

Beck apparently brought up the point that if THIS is how he negotiates with the Taliban and makes it public, what is he doing with Russia and China?

Hell what about Iran

"You can nuke whatever you want in the US as long as I'm in a different part of the country."

[daddy]

Let the Hostage Taking begin.

Taliban Gunmen Seize Indian Head of Charity Organization in Herat

[glasater]

Beasts of England | June 02, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Made my point much better than I could :)

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Barbour is condemned for speaking his political opinion?

[Old Lurker]

Wasn't it the first evidence that the old Haley had been replaced by a new version when he sided with homeowners who had not read their insurance policies to know what was covered in a storm, and so the rich insurance companies should pay them for that oversight? Wasn't he one of them?

Or am I thinking of some other GOP top man?

[Captain Hate]

I agree Miss Marple; Barbour showed the way to recover from Katrina without making a maudlin fool out of yourself. But he's been a train wreck since then, including pardoning murderers.

[Danube on iPad]

I hear Bergdahl may have converted to Isla. From Buddhism.

[Old Lurker]

He isn't being condemned, NK. He is just getting kicked in the nuts for saying something stupid. That's just good political sausage being made.

[jimmyk]

if THIS is how he negotiates with the Taliban and makes it public

My guess as how the negotiations with the Taliban went:

Taliban: We'll give up Bergdahl if you'll send back three Gitmo prisoners of our choosing.

Barry: How about five?

Taliban: Um, ok.

[jimmyk]

Re Barbour, in any case it's not exactly "political opinion," but ad hominem. Against Republicans. That's just what we need.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

OL-- that's fine. I am ambivalent, Barbour and Palin and Santorum and Evan Bayh and Hildabeast are all in the same business. Everything they do is fair game for being kicked around as politically cynical and self-serving.

[Old Lurker]

Tru dat, NK. Tru dat.

[daddy]

Wretchard (Richard Fernandez) weighs in on the Prisoner Swap:

The Face of Defeat

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

I have no fear of contradiction in saying that Obummer is very pleased at the result of the Taliban and Putin and Mullah 'negotiations'... very pleased.

[daddy]

Here's the guys who died looking for Bergdahl:

The bitter backlash from soldiers who served with Taliban POW as the SIX men who were killed looking for him are revealed

[pagar]

"Military brass helpfully surmised they were "intimidated" by a visit from SecDef."

IMO, troops pretty much know when someone is BSing them.

[sbw]

NK: Barbour is condemned for speaking his political opinion?

Ha! ha! No, NK, Barbour’s opinion is being laughed at for its lack of good sense,

. . . much as I just laughed at your opinion which usually contains much good sense.

The strength of democracy is that the smallest voice can point out a better way to an audience tuned to listen and laugh one or both ideas into submission.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

I am now convinced ted Cruz is ethnically Greek... well... at least in his stubborn quotient: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/05/31/cruz-gop-leads-in-2014-because-of-shutdown/

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

sbw: my opinion is at 1:25. I have no opinion, it's just business to all of them.

[pagar]

Speaking of former governors.

http://weaselzippers.us/188037-former-montana-dem-governor-brian-schweitzer-defends-obama-releasing-taliban-leaders-because-theyre-freedom-fighters-or-something/

[Stephanie]

Bacon's in the smoker!!!!

[Jack is Back!]

I have another one of my wild theories like MH-370 went to Iran but so far that has not been debunked: I don't believe the US government negotiated and won Bergdahl's release.

I believe it was his father who did all the hard work by mouthing the Taliban and Muzzie talking points on the ROP and Gitmo. He probably converted, learned Pashto and found the way into their inner circle to Pow-Wow. He convinced them that he and Bowe would be perfect conscriptors in America for any future assignments.

Call me crazy but it sure smells of rat shit.

[Beasts of England]

Bacon's in the smoker!!!!

That's what she said...

[Miss Marple]

Jack, Seems as reasonable as any other theory.

One thing about the last 5 years, I now accept almost any weird theory as worthy of consideration.

There are bad people in charge of our country, and we see only the tip of the iceberg as far as what they are up to.

[Exasperated]

Military brass helpfully surmised they were "intimidated" by a visit from SecDef.

The same military brass sycophants, who were, no doubt, advocates for Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It isn't that they are clueless. It is that they are unprincipled opportunists. Of which there sure aren't any shortages among the Army's Officers Corp.

[Danube of Thought]

That's just what we need

You've sure come to the right place.

[lyle]

Probably been repeated but Iowahawk sums it up (again!)

"Starting to look like we traded 5 Taliban fighters for 1 Taliban fighter."

[GMax]

Weasel Clark and Shinseki both were top brass, so being a flag officer is no guarantee that stupidity and cravenness are not in a race. Remember General McClellan was the Democrat party nominee for President once too...

[Captain Hate]

Don't Ask Don't Tell was Slick's fallback position once the new "moderate" President decided to start things off by letting homos in the military. There was almost immediate pushback on that by the public. The Brass was bound by it whether they liked it or not.

[James D.]

One thing about the last 5 years, I now accept almost any weird theory as worthy of consideration.

There are bad people in charge of our country, and we see only the tip of the iceberg as far as what they are up to.

I'm with you, MM.

When the people in high office lie regularly and without regret, and flaunt the laws they're charged with executing; and when the mass media either doesn't bother to call them out on it, or active aids them in their lies...what else are we supposed to think?

[pagar]

From the link Daddy put up @01:31.

"Most members of the military community voice support for Bergdahl, however".

I see no evidence that most is the right word.
I have seen some.

LUN

[MarkO]

If Bergdahl had been Audie Murphy I would still consider this to have been a dangerous transaction and one done for base political purposes, not humanitarian feeling.

I think the CIA calls it a "double description" when there is a second, plausible reason for suspect behavior. That's what we have here from the Administration. They don't care at all about the character of the traded pawn. P-K4

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Bergdahl facts? Who knows at this point. commence an Article 32 hearing, get the facts out, then CM him, administratively seperate him, whatever, but there needs to be a public hearing of what happened. Hah, fat chance that happens.

[Danube of Thought]

From daddy's link:

When a discussion on the Facebook page of his battalion filled up with negative comments, a moderator chimed in: 'I challenge any one of you who label him a traitor to spend 5 years in captivity with the Taliban or Haqqani, then come back and accuse him again. Whatever his intent when he walked away or was captured, he has more than paid for it.'

Will someone explain why it is necessary to spend five years with the Taliban in order to charge him with desertion?

[MarkO]

Desertion and captivity by the enemy are not incompatible. Captivity would be the result of a failed desertion plan.

[Beasts of England]

I don't have the links, DoT, but several have noted that the Taliban and Haqqani are ruthless and that five years in their captivity is more than likely proof of cooperation. A few of his unit buddies said that attacks and IED placements became much more precise after his captivity.

[Sue]

Suddenly, we leave no man behind. Too bad Obama didn't understand that when Benghazi was under attack. He could have saved a couple of real heroes.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

Deserter?, Captive? let's convene a hearing, call witnesses and find out the facts. Hah, no way the Obummer Army will ever do that.

[Trevor Saccucci]

At that point it will become a problem caused by the GOP.

Yes, Rick. Again, the majority of the American electorate will either buy this counterfactual (though, in fairness, by sitting on their hands or actively riding the boodle train themselves they have caused some of the problem, but the Dem Big Statists own the boodle trains - cars, tracks, and engineers - so I still coubt it as a counterfactual) or they won't. The buyers won't be reasoned out of a position they were never reasoned into in the first place, and the abstainers just need to keep on keeping on. I wonder, though, how many of the electorate are in a third category of favoring Statism but susceptible to rational arguments against it. While I'm inclined to think that this category is vanishingly small, I also realize that my outlook may be overly pessimisstic. Che pense, Rick?

[Jack is Back!]

He is no VN era aviator in the Hanoi Hilton, that's for sure. He turned immediatley. It was his stated inclination. Why wouldn't he? It also seems he was such a successful recruit he was also able to turn his dad.

The Wazirastan Candidate. Welcome home.

[Jane]

What Sue said.

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

Yeah, Sue. And nobody left him behind,...HE LEFT.

[Jack is Back!]

BTW, and so true, from a tweet I just saw:

"Meanwhile...the Pakistani doctor who helped us get bin Laden is still in jail...and has just lost his lawyer."

[Exasperated]

2:54 His daddy was already cuckoo. A pair of loony liberals.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

BTW-- what are the names/ranks of the witnesses to Bergdahl's desertaton?; what were the dates and locations of the IED attacks after Bergdahl was with the Taliban? Anyone? Right now that narrative is a persuasive as the fool Rice calling him a hero. Let's have a hearing with witnesses and oaths, only way to get the facts out.

[Danube on iPad]

Col. Frank Schwable, USMC was a friend of my parents; his wife and my mother were particularl close.. During the Korean War he was captured and, under torture, agryeed to sign statements that the U.S. had used germ warfare. After the war there was an extensive investigation, and ultimately he was not prosecuted because of the torture. However, his reputation was shot and his life pretty much ruined.

That was then; this is now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Schwable

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

Rush had a guest host today. 2 good callers from the part I listened to. A military guy around 12:45 & then another guy at 1:15 or so. Both were SO good.
I'd vote for either of them for political office. Seriously...there are so many great Americans out there with a ton more sense than the politicians & talking heads we have now.

The second guy went off on Obama's statement about if Congress doesn't act he will do it on his own. That right there is tyranny.
Sorry, Obama...that's not how our country works.
Anyway...I'd vote for the 2nd guy for President.

[jimmyk]

Right now that narrative is a persuasive as the fool Rice calling him a hero.

Nonsense. Rice is a known liar, unlike those who are claiming desertion.

Let's have a hearing with witnesses and oaths, only way to get the facts out.

You've just said there's no way we'll get a hearing. That ought to tell you something.

[James D.]

The thing to focus on, I think, isn't Bergdahl. It doesn't matter, on a policy level, or a rule-of-law level, whether he's a deserter or a hero or whatever else he might be.

All the questions should focus on Zero and the timing and consequences and lawlessness of the deal.

[MarkO]

Oaths? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Get the facts out? Will we be going door to door. Until "our side' has a major paper and a broadcast network, we are heavily handicapped.

[NK(withnewsoftware)]

JimmyK-- who are the persons making the assertions?, what are their ranks and service records? what is their reputation for veracity and accurately reporting fact? Please provide said information.

[Jack is Back!]

NK,

BS. If his mates and buddies say he is a dererter that is good for me. You can have all the UCMJ hearing and CM's all you want but the grunts statements are good enugh for me. Of course, he is innocent until proven guilty but someone has to have the guts to make that an event.

Ain't going to happen which only contributes further to the narrative. He is a deserter and released to make a politial point. 6 dead directly and many more to come indirectly. Watch for future developments with this family including scenes at mosques and protests ala Kerry in VN.