Party Building And Character-Building

Ross Douthat has a column on reform conservatism I heartily recommend even though, on this lovely morning, I couldn't take the time to get to the finish line. Yet.

Comments

[Exasperated]

First through twenty-third

[MarkO]

24th

[peter]

Is it me, or is Douhat's writing so dense and disjointed that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FINISH ?

[Exasperated]

;)

[henry]

It's not just you.

[Exasperated]

"Its Gotta Be You"

[Liam]
Girl I see it in your eyes you’re disappointed
‘Cause I’m the foolish one that you anointed with your heart
I tore it apart
And girl what a mess I made upon your innocence
And no woman in the world deserves this
But here I am asking you for one more chance

[Harry]
Can we fall one more time?
Stop the tape and rewind
Oh, and if you walk away
I know I’ll fade
‘Cause there is nobody else

It’s gotta be you
Only you
It’s got to be you
(Oh) Only you
Hey (hey)

[Liam]
Now, girl, I hear it in your voice and how it trembles
When you speak to me I don’t resemble who I was
You’ve almost had enough
And your actions speak louder than your words
And you’re about to break from all you’ve heard
But don’t be scared, I ain’t going nowhere

[Zayn]
I’ll be here by your side
No more fears, no more crying
But if you walk away
I know I’ll fade
'Cause there is nobody else

It’s gotta be you
Only you
It’s got to be you
Only you

[Zayn]
Oh, girl,
Can we try one more, one more time?
One more, one more?
Can we try one more, one more time?
I’ll make it better

One more, one more,
Can we try one more, one more...

Can we try one more time and make it all better?

[Harry]
'Cause it's gotta be you
It's gotta be you
Only you
Only you

It’s gotta be you
Only you
It’s got to be you
(Oh) Only you

[Danube on iPad]

Imagine being stranded on a desert island with Ross Douthat.

[Rick B]

Some are born incoherent, some achieve incoherence and some have incoherence thrust upon them.

I'm not sure which category best suits Douthat and the thought of the inducement necessary to force me to read more in order to decide (waterboarding? burning splinters under finger nails? the maw of a wood chipper displaying flashing blades?)makes me thankful for the freedom to utterly ignore him.

[Marlene]

Just back from NH. We enjoyed having Mom at the cabin with us,she loves to travel. There was a steady flow of traffic driving into Maine on this beautiful day.I played the license plate game and noticed that
most of the vehicles were from other New England states.That is probably an indication of the economy and the gas prices. The most exotic license plate I saw was on a RV from Alabama.
It is great to read Frederick on the blog,I also enjoyed his travel blog.

[James D.]

I got about one paragraph in. I think I would rather slice my entire face off using JiB's mandolin than read any more.

And that's the kindest thing I can say about Douthat and his blathering.

[James D.]

Imagine being stranded on a desert island with Ross Douthat.

Wouldn't that violate the Geneva Convention?

[gad-fly]

"Reform Conservatism" is oddly named - perhaps intentionally so in order to point the failure of the brain-washed public at large to comprehend and embrace solid conservative principles.

Conservatives who bend principle for acceptance are no longer conservatives and only conservative thinkers can make the viable economic decisions that will save the world from its death spiral.

But the liberals have made us all paranoid.

PARANOIA

This man I never saw before
At 3 a.m. breaks down the door
To tell me my aspirin is LSD.
"It says right there on the bottle,
Acetylsalicylic Acid."
I tell you doctor, honestly,
It seems like someone's after me.

I don't think fighting is what I'm made for
But this lottery ticket I never paid for
Sold by a pusher known as Sam
Has won me a ticket to Vietnam,
A twelve months, expenses paid, tropical vacation
With a funeral, free, from a grateful nation.
But the doctor says I need therapy
For thinking someone is after me.

And then there are things I just can't ignore
Like the little man in our bedroom door
Says we'll be in jail by the end of the night
Unless we turn over and do it right.
Doctor, Doctor, come and see
There's really someone after me.

Then he asks, as he rips off the sheet,
For our marriage license and tax receipt;
Says "you need a license to shoot at a duck
How come you think that it's free to f... "
Who so blind as will not see;
The state, the state, is after me.

[Marlene]

My mother lives in an attached in-law apartment at my brother's house.The house was built by my grandfather 50 years ago and my brother and sister-in-law bought it after my grandmother's death. A few miles down the road is property and a business that was owned by my grandfather,then my uncle,now my cousin. I was driving Mom down the road and went by my cousin's business. There is a new section of stockade fence in the front of the business. There is a message in black spray paint scrawled all over the new fence. As I drove by,I said to Mom,what the heck?! She said your cousin did that! The message says: "Who is John Galt?" Last night I was talking to my sister-in-law about some family issues and asked her about the scrawled message. She told me my cousin has been having major problems with the town. The property and business have been there for decades and the town for whatever reason(s) has been citing him for supposed violations. I guess in a moment of frustration he spray painted the new fence. I had to laugh,because he is quite a character. I used to baby-sit him when he was a baby and he hasn't changed a bit!

[AliceH]

Is it me, or is Douhat's writing so dense and disjointed that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FINISH ?

That's what I thought until suddenly I didn't.

My theory: It's like hearing English in a completely new/different accent and cadence for the first time. It takes a time and exposure to develop sufficient familiarity in order to not be so consciously aware of the mental translation work going on, but once achieved, it's all right there, accessible as any other accent.

[Threadkiller]

Does he mention citizenship?

[Marlene]

By the way,my cousin is probably sorry he spray painted the fence,because now he has to explain the meaning of the message to his LIV customers. : )

[Bela1]

>… the Reformicons, who are diverse in their views on social issues, need to be bolder in approaching cultural modernization. To have a future, conservatism cannot view an increasingly diverse and tolerant America as a horror. A Burkean traditionalism honors the gifts diverse communities bring to a nation.<
Someone provided a link in another thread that led me to what happens in Folsom at a "fair" every year under the guise of cultural tolerance or diversity... No, not within that prison, but I couldn't help but wonder if this total jackass ever took a long, hard look at what he perceives as modernization himself? I doubt it. I'm so sick & tired & disgusted whenever I see liberals & progressives trying to define what is wrong with my "diversity" or "tolerance" as a conservative.

[Threadkiller]

He could tell them that Galt wrote him a bad check.

[Threadkiller]

I'm so sick & tired & disgusted whenever I see liberals & progressives trying to define what is wrong with my "diversity" or "tolerance" as a conservative.

I share your sentiment. Sadly there are more than enough "conservatives" that like to do the same thing to conservatives.

Optics...

[Threadkiller]

I guess I'll keep working on this car.

[narciso]

Edmund Burke, would do a McLuhan, and tell him
'you know nothing of my work' Charles Fox, would say much the same thing,

[squaredance]

No it is not just you.

This is the very acme of the gobbledygook we get out of these so-called "educated, urbane coastals", and of course the Democrat Party has no total purchase on them.

Imagining that people like this actually have something meaningful to say is one of the the chief reasons why we now find ourselves in such a huge pickle.

When people like him start yapping about "cultural populism" what they are really grousing about is is that dread polity: the normal, decent people that make up the middle and working classes--those who indeed where until recently taken to be "Americans". These people of course are possessed of common sense, good intentions, actually know something real, and heretofore used that knowledge to earn an honest and honorable living. They merely want to return the nation to that nation they and their forebears built. Essentially it is they who posses a real and true "culture". Of course they are loathed so.

"Cultural Populism" indeed.

It a "concept" about as bootless, self-serving, self-deluding and as flabby as any that might come out of the PolySci depts. at Berkeley or Harvard, or an upper East Side Starbucks, and it, and the attendant hand-wringing over having even momentarily contemplate with such unwashed troglodytes, clearly show how these "Coastals" view their nation and themselves.

Ii is the strangest sort of snobbery for in actual fact those so-called "cultural populists" in the main have better real educations and more balanced and ordered minds than these self-appointed "elites".

This NYT article minces about, whining just how "unfortunate" it is that "focusing" on the "educated and urbane" does not win elections; there is in fact nothing unfortunate about it at all.

Perhaps one day the rest of America will learn this. Perhaps, come the revolution, these "sophisticates" will be forced to earn an honest living.

How shocked they would be to face their fellow Americans with out their brittle and juvenile delusions and defenses.

Douhat, like David Brooks, is not really a "conservative"; he is a foil--perhaps unwitting and hapless--of the Propagandists at the NYT.

[Old Lurker]

Go read Lyle's great letter in the WSJ, TK, THEN go work on your car.

[Centralcal on iPad]

Excellent letter, Lyle!

[Skoot]

Cool stuff from Drudge:50calcorrection

A friend of mine builds these rounds by hand at his bench. It's the shizzle as the kids say. He also happens to be an ex-touring musician and technical magician ala Tom Sholz, Skunk Baxter.

Nice letter, lyle. And watch the digits boys.

[AliceH]

Interesting. What I got from the Douthat column was entirely consistent with Janet's post on the prior thread:
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We definitely need a conservative group that starts pitting the different lib. factions against one another.

*abortion worshipers vs. Black's fed up with the slaughter of their kids

*the "ride the bus" greens vs. hard working Latino's that dream of cars, trucks, homes, boats, ...the middle class life

*the lefty sex fanatics that wanna teach fisting to elementary children vs. God fearing families of all ethnic backgrounds

Posted by: Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself | July 12, 2014 at 08:47 AM
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[narciso]

Is that your final answer:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/12/one-big-reason-the-cia-spied-on-germany-worries-about-russian-moles-in-berlin.html

[Cecil Turner]

Imagine being stranded on a desert island with Ross Douthat.

He just drowned. Don't know what happened. I swear.

Yeah, that column was a waste of time. Dunno how many conservatives I'd speak for, but my own interpretation of the "cultural conflict" runs something like:

• Don't care in the least about civil unions . . . just want it done in legislatures, and not foisted off by some jurist as an "equal right";
• Don't care in the least about immigration numbers . . . just that it's pursuant to some legal framework, and that the executive actually enforce the law;
• Not terribly stressed about "racial injustice," but think laws ought to be color-blind and applied equally to all;
• Relatively unconcerned about religious issues, but opposed to government interference (or any other infringement on basic rights).

Obviously that makes me a hating racist homophobe, but it's a lot closer to what I expect of conservatism, rather than "courting" of a certain slice of voters and trying to achieve a critical mass of demographics for political gain. That I'd leave to the Democrats.

[lyle]

Thanks again, everyone. I really didn't think it would get published due to its length.

[Frederick]

Hi, Frederick here,.

My dad says Bravo to lyle for his letter, Well said and more lucid than Douthat, [He is telling me this as I type].

I am also posting this photo of his finger and he says, "take that, Hit".

[Threadkiller]

“Was IRS Union Boss Colleen Kelley the Lois Lerner Link to Obama?”

“On March 31, 2010, the day before the Inspector General’s report says the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) began its scheme to target tea party and conservative groups, the White House Visitors Log reveals that President Barack Obama met with IRS union boss Colleen Kelley.

In a notable feat of investigative journalism, American Spectator reporter Jeffrey Lord exposed what appears to be an unholy alliance among the White House, Democrat members of Congress and the thousands of IRS employees, who are members of the far-left, anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU).

The NTEU, which supported Obama in 2008 and 2012, through its political action committee, raised $613,633 in the 2010 cycle, giving 98% of its contributions to anti-Tea Party Democrats. In 2012, the figure was $729,708, with 94% going to anti-Tea Party candidates.

NTEU’s Kelley has a long history of interaction with the Obama Administration, first meeting in the White House on January 30, 2008, a mere ten days after his first inauguration, which she described: “We are looking for a return to what we used to call partnership. I don’t really care what it’s called. For me, it’s about collaboration.””

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/was-irs-union-boss-colleen-kelley-the-lois-lerner-link-to-obama

Hat tip CitizenWells.

[Threadkiller]

I gave kudos.

Well done lyle!!

[Threadkiller]

I FORGOT kudos...

The finger pic threw me off.

[sbw]

So I got a paragraph in and Douthat quotes, without laughing, E.J. Dionne writing, “conservatism cannot view an increasingly diverse and tolerant America as a horror.”

Why read further? Intolerance, thy name is progressive!

And if Douthat cannot see that Dionne cannot see, why should I waste my time reading the rest?

Douthat could have ended his article pointing out just that.

[lyle]

Anyone citing approvingly citing Dionne should be dismissed out of hand run through.

[pagar]

Frederick, I went back last night and read your
Journey from 1st post to last post and it made it much more impressive to me than when I read it each time a post appeared when individually.

I sent it to my great grandson today.Since I will never be able to give him such a tour maybe he can enjoy it thru your posts.

Thank you for all the joy you bring to us.
Judging by that picture, I don't think your Dad will be typing for a while.

I have been around for quite a few years and do not recall ever having heard of anyone cutting themselves that way.
Now apparently it is happening to a lot of people. Strange!

[sbw]

Nope. Can’t do it. Can’t finish Douthat.

Douthat never learned to write an editorial:
1) Lead with your conclusion.
2) State you case in easy steps, with a proper lead in paragraph.
3) Restate your conclusion.

[pagar]

Apparently the US House and Senate have decided that Americans have too much privacy and are determined to put an end to it.

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/91476173938/cispa-is-back-with-a-new-name-and-its-even-more

"In addition to the threats to every American’s privacy, the bill clearly targets potential government whistleblowers. Instead of limiting the use of data collection to protect against actual cybersecurity threats, the bill allows the government to use the data in the investigation and prosecution of people for economic espionage and trade secret violations, and under various provisions of the Espionage Act."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/08/privacy_groups_protest_senate_cybersecurity_sharing_law/

As near as I can tell, they think we are real threats to
the politicians and government employees and they are determined to make sure that no whistleblower escapes punishment.

At the bottom of the Poor Richard;s link are the contacts for all the Senators and House members if you would like to express your thoughts to them about their efforts to take away your and everyone's freedoms.

[GMax]

I don't read Ross Douchebag, ever. Same category as Brooks. The nicest thing I might say, if pressed, is perhaps he has an extreme case of Stockholm Syndrome.

[narciso]

Yikes, that looks like more than just the tip, in the Memeorandum, the mayor of South Miami, who recently fired as city manager, one of the most capable people, who had served in Ramadi and had incurred no serious casualties, to his unit, is on SkyDragon watch.

[rich@gmu]

read douthat, not missing much.

social liberalism is necessary for the welfare state ... surrendering those issue (as we have) means we can only promise a better run welfare state.

at least until opm runs out.

great letter lyle.

[narciso]

the public official 'removes all doubt' here:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/miami-drowning-climate-change-deniers-sea-levels-rising

[lyle]

Fox Butterfield curse, narc.

As I posted a few days ago, I'll believe the warmist's creed when coastal RE values start plummeting. Then again, Guardian.

[GMax]

OMG narc. I got as far as the professor who says sea levels has increased 10 inches since the 19th Century (without a source or footnote BTW ) and then says its going to rise 10 feet by the end of this century!

So accepting his stated "fact" 5 inches per century for the last two is going to become 120 inches!!! No support, just Chicken Little. I quit reading.

[rich@gmu]

we are going to get a poor man's polar vortex, with temps dropping about 10-15 degrees below normal next week.

#climatefool

[chemman]

Posted by: sbw | July 12, 2014 at 03:14 PM

You are correct--but most people were taught that method of writing.

[chemman]

Correct to above should have previewed it.

Most people weren't taught that method of writing.

[Marlene]

Frederick,if you are interested,there is a "puffling" in a puffin burrow on Seal Island that the puffin cam is monitoring. I'll send a link to your Dad's e-mail.
Ouch! Jack,hope they gave some good meds!

[MarkO]

There could be a murder in Brasilia today.

[narciso]

they teach you to not get to the point, I know look who's talking, but that's because
I use complex references,

[clarice]

I;m with Cecil. (As usual) I read Douthat a bit more generously as saying --in too many words--attention must be paid to general sensibilities.

[Jane]

Cecil, I'm on your team.

[narciso]

I don't how he didn't pass out, with all the hyperventilating,

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/07/12/jewish-republicans-alarmed-at-the-prospect-of-a-void-in-the-house-and-senate/

[henry]

Clarice, yes. Something along the lines of don't be so obvious about ignoring the rubes, they'll go French Revolution on you. Lead them to lose with self-esteem and kumbaya happens. No unicorns need be harmed in following his advice.

Plays right into the Tea Party = terrorist meme.

My rural neighbors aren't stupid, they simply skipped finishing school and got on with life. They know where to spread Douthat's manure.

[sbw]

Probably the problem with Douthat is that he doesn’t have a spouse who reads and edits his piece before publication.

Hell, Douthat probably doesn’t reread his work before it’s published. Heh!

[Old Lurker]

Count me with Cecil too.

[pagar]

I must be missing some vital clue. Where do I find Lyle's letter to the editor?
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"and then says its going to rise 10 feet by the end of this century!"

Am I reading correctly that leftists think the way to stop the ocean from rising is to pass a law?

[Threadkiller]

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/liberals-progressives-are-two-sides-of-the-same-coin-letters-to-the-editor-1405111807?mobile=y

[Threadkiller]

http://online.wsj.com/articles/liberals-progressives-are-two-sides-of-the-same-coin-letters-to-the-editor-1405111807

[narciso]

Let me try this one again;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/iowa-republican-joni-ernst-delivers-gop-weekly-address-before-leaving-for-active-duty-video/

[DrJ]

pagar, you are going to have to use the Google/Bing trick to get behind the WSJ paywall. Use the search string "Liberals, Progressives Are Two Sides of the Same Coin"

[GMax]

This just keeps happening all over the world:

Not since July 28 1911 has Brisbane felt this cold, getting down to a brisk 2.6C at 6.41am.

At 7am, it inched up to 3.3C.

Matt Bass, meteorologist from BOM, said the region was well below our average temperatures.

“If it felt cold, that’s because it was, breaking that record is pretty phenomenal for Brisbane,” Bass said.

“The average for this time of year is 12C, so Brisbane was about 9C below average, it is pretty impressive really, to have the coldest morning in 103 years is a big record.”

[Threadkiller]

Sneaking behind a paywall?

Spread the wealth.

[GMax]

Did you know Iowa Senate candidate Joni Ernst is a Lt Col in the Iowa Nat Guard? The more I hear of this lady, the more I like her. Cashiering in Harkin and getting Ernst? Iowa would be well served.

[Beasts of England]

I made my very first Hole-in-One today! Number 8, 192 yards, with a 7-wood. Virtual drinks for all my JOMer friends!!

[Threadkiller]

Sarah Palin might have called for the impeachment of President Barack Obama Tuesday, but Iowa Republican Senate candidate Joni Ernst actually beat her to the punch by six months.

At a Montgomery County, Iowa, candidate forum in January, Ernst told a crowd that she believed Obama had “become a dictator” and that he needed to face the consequences for his executive actions, “whether that’s removal from office, whether that’s impeachment.”

http://news.yahoo.com/joni-ernst---impeachment--of-obama-should-be-on-the-table-204439051.html

Joni should shut up.

[Threadkiller]

BoE!!!

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

Wow beasts. Awesome.

Thanks for the Cosmo!

The daughter had the ball roll over the hole and finish about three inches past and all excited tells the club pro about it. He says "you know what that's called?" She, thinking she's about to learn something new about golf, breathlessly says, "no, what?" He says, "a two." If looks could kill...

[Beasts of England]

Congrats, lyle! Is there a link?

[lyle]

Is a "hole in one" a good thing? J/k. Congrats, beasts.

[lyle]

Thanks for the virtual bottle of Chateau Latour, big spender.

[Beasts of England]

Just shy of a miracle, as far as I'm concerned, lyle! Just like Steph's daughter, I've had shots end up directly behind the hole on a few occasions - no way they couldn't have missed, but they did! A real shocker!!

[Stephanie]

Guess who is playing in the WC final?

http://www.mlssoccer.com/worldcup/2014/news/article/2014/07/12/north-korea-world-cup-final-vs-portugal-so-says-north-korean-media-sideline?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=WorldCup&utm_campaign=Unpaid

[Beasts of England]

You'll have to virtually share that one with me, lyle!! lol

[narciso]

read your letter on dead tree, lyle, kudos again, congratulations beasts, of course, gail collins, 'removes all doubt,' as usual, lizette
alvarez, gives her considered opinion on the Florida redistricting case,

[rich@gmu]

drinks on beasts!!!!

congrats on the hole in one

[Rob Crawford]

This NYT article minces about, whining just how "unfortunate" it is that "focusing" on the "educated and urbane" does not win elections; there is in fact nothing unfortunate about it at all.

And the reality is that the bulk of people we declare to be "educated" aren't. We give morons a slip of paper, let them serve enough time doing nothing of any value, then declare them experts.

[rich@gmu]

>>>
Am I reading correctly that leftists think the way to stop the ocean from rising is to pass a law?

Posted by: pagar | July 12, 2014 at 04:29 PM <<<

we can use the federal register to sop up all the water.

[Stephanie]

Ace has a poll up on the 2016 presidential race and I'm really tempted to vote SMOD.

Head on over and add some votes to the thing.

[rich@gmu]

prayers to those in Israel tonight and to those of you who have family in harms way.

[rich@gmu]

Rob-

esp if the lily white Vox is representative of the "educated and urban" ...

[Jane]

Here is a link to Lyle's letter. It's the first one.

Beasts I am impressed beyond words. Congrats!

[Rick B]

"And the reality is that the bulk of people we declare to be "educated" aren't."

RC,

You could enter Douthat's case of logorrhea as Exhibit 1 and move for a directed verdict. I really hate reading the 'penny a word' Empiricists of the 18th century but each paragraph does serve a purpose (counting reiteration as a purpose). Douthat just filled an empty screen (pace AliceH, if I have to hold my head at 72 degrees, squint with my left eye while blinking the right to get the 'true meaning', he ain't communicating).

That the NYT pays for this tripe explains their financial condition.
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Cecil,

Congratulations on your appointment as Governor General of St. Jane's. Please remember that I am always available to perform those boring and demeaning tasks concerning revenue and disbursement which might tend to draw your attention from important matters of state.

[Porchlight]

Congratulations, Beasts! Wow!

[Centralcal on iPad]

Way to go, Beasts! Will be toasting you in about an hour.

[Frederick]

Mr, Bieasts,

My Dad congratulates you on you HIO. He has had 4 himself and knows the feeling, I came close once playing with my Mom,

My Dad says he saw the poll at Ace's and thinks Texas is doing pretty good so far.

We watched the Dutch beat Brazil for 3rd place even with an incompetent Algerian referee,

But he has changed his mind on the final and niw thinks North Korea will dominate Portugal.

[Captain Hate]

I don't know what I'm more shocked by, Beasts getting an ace or owning a 7 wood. Congrats either way; is there a Paypal account where I can charge tonight's tab?

[Captain Hate]

I voted for Scott Walker and if some RINO like Prince Jebby is crowned in Cleveland in two years, it's SMOD all the way.

[narciso]

Well Walker's in the lead, with Cruz as no. 2,
and SMOD in third place, at last chance that pixy allowed.

[Beasts of England]

Thanks, all! I've been catching grief about my 7-wood (and my Heaven Wood before that) for so many years I've lost track, Captain! Of course, I gave it right back to them with the advent of hybrid and rescue clubs, my buddies so quickly latched onto once the sissy club 'optics' were better. lol

[Threadkiller]

The optics war is being fought in the comments section.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/212038-rubio-i-can-beat-hillary

[Beasts of England]

Hello Frederick! Thanks for the kind words and the updates on your Dad's finger! Enjoyed your travelogue - please keep writing - you're good at it, and it's fine exercise for your mind and a prime indicator of intelligence!

[Threadkiller]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-widens-air-attack-gaza-death-toll-tops-24535958

Not biased at all...

[Bori]

BoE,

Wow, congrats!!! Can't tell you how many times I have clanked the flag only to fall harmlessly away.

BTW, I agree with Frederick and the recovering JIB, North Korean will roll and the Algerian ref was an incompetent.

[Bori]

That should have read flag "stick", my typing is not keeping up with my thoughts, again.

[rich@gmu]

TK-

revolting how the media is covering it. looks like they are going to go in a clean house.

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Home.aspx

they are now taking rocket fire from Lebanon and Gaza.

[Rick B]

Congratulations, Beasts. Obviously a great club selection. I could never get a 7 wood any tighter than a 4 iron so I never bothered keeping one in the bag.

[Captain Hate]

Beasts, were you inspired by Angel Cabrera getting an eagle from about that distance at Greenbrier or Bud Cauley getting a HIO on the 72nd hole?

[narciso]

well it's much the same way they treated the battle of Fallujah, the first time around

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=350444

[Threadkiller]

Here is the headline, Rich:

Israel Ignores UN's Gaza Truce Request, Extends Bombings

And here is a sentence tucked in the article:

Meanwhile, Hamas, the Islamic militant group that controls Gaza, has fired nearly 700 rockets and mortars at Israel this week and said it wouldn't be the first to cease fire.

Israel should shut up.