Tunnels In Wartime Through The Years

The WaPo offers a brief history of tunnels in wartime.

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[Threadkiller]

CNN's Wolf Blitzer gets an exclusive look inside an underground Hamas tunnel

BLITZER: ....And you say this concrete came from Israel.

 How do you know it came from Israel?

 

AZOULI: Because we found a — we found bags.

 

BLITZER: The bags?

 

AZOULI: The bags. The bags who — the sandbags in the Karom Shalom (ph) station.

 

BLITZER: So basically, the concrete was provided by Israel to Palestinians in Gaza to build schools, hospitals, stores, apartments, but they used it, what you say, to build this tunnel?

 

AZOULI: Yes. They elected — for example, the electricity, it comes from Israel. Israel give electricity…

 

BLITZER: The electrical power for Gaza.

 

AZOULI: Yes, the power for…

 

BLITZER: Yes.

 

AZOULI: — for Gaza. And the people in Gaza can’t use their electricities a few — like a few hours on a day. And all this stuff to build the tunnels

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/28/cnns-wolf-blitzer-gets-an-exclusive-look-inside-an-underground-hamas-tunnel/

[peter]

do they mention the tunnels under the U S Mexico border?

[Ignatz]

Israel will have no peace to their west until they annex Gaza.
What better time to do it than when their main enemies in Syria are utterly preoccupied with killing each other and the Iranians are preoccupied with Syria and a growing hostile Sunni state to its west?
Egypt would prefer Israel in Gaza and Jordan is trying not to turn into Iraq.
They should annex Gaza and warn Abbas the West Bank is a-next. Sorry.

[Threadkiller]

Here are a couple, peter:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Border-Tunnels-San-Diego-Mexico-Otay-Mesa-Marconi-Amistad-253890411.html

[peter]

thanks, tk, my point was that Mexico is at war with us

[Ignatz]

Jerry Brown says we should ignore immigration laws and heed religious calls to welcome strangers.

There is no wall of separation between the church of the Democratic party and a statist's vote.

[Threadkiller]

An 'asymmetrical' war?

[jimmyk]

They should annex Gaza and warn Abbas the West Bank is a-next.

You may know that back in the seventies, I think, Israel offered Gaza to Egypt and Egypt said, "No, thanks, we don't want it."

I'm not sure annexing solves the problem without expelling the population. Or at least massively rounding up tens of thousands of Hamas operatives. And do they give citizenship to the residents? If not, they will be accused of "apartheid."

[Ignatz]

--If not, they will be accused of "apartheid."--

Is that worse than being called Nazi's engaged in a Holocaust which they're already accused of?

--Or at least massively rounding up tens of thousands of Hamas operatives.--

Declare them all unaccompanied children, send them to Juraez and point them north; presto, refugees we're obliged to make citizens. Problem solved.

[jimmyk]

True, Ig, not to mention that they are already accused of 'apartheid.' Israel has the same problem that Republicans have: No matter how much they try to please the left with their 'compassion,' they still get accused of heartlessness and cruelty.

[Ignatz]

You raise an interesting equivalence the left promotes, jimmy.

They repeatedly demand Israel, by various means, retain their democratic elective process while allowing enough Arabs/Palestinians in to overwhelm the Jews and end Israel as a free state.

It's exactly the same process they're trying to use to end the USA via our southern border.
At least they're consistent in their demand countries they don't like commit national suicide.

[Danube on iPad]

The Mexican government built the tunnels so they could transmit the ebola virus into the U.S. And don't forget the murder of Loretta Fuddy--it's got Mexico written all over it.

[narciso]

it's not out of the question, that an Islamist group, ISIS being the popular one, could use the cartel's tunnels to smuggle a weapon of mass or even medium destruction (re Act of
Valor)

[Danube on iPad]

I'll grant you that ISIS is at war the U.S., and the cartels might as well be. But Mexico?

[Beasts of England]

Is a virus tunnel considered asymmetric, or would it collapse if it were shaped like that?

[Ignatz]

There are hot wars and there are cold wars.
Mexico es muy frio.

[Threadkiller]

Is it possible that "Mexico" isn't at war with the United States, but some Mexicans are?

[Beasts of England]

Lots of Mexicans are, TK - starting with the idiots of La Raza.

[Threadkiller]

Or here, Beasts:

h t tp://w. ww.exa. miner.co m/article/mexico-made-deal-to-send-more-illegal-aliens-to-the-u-s

*link has Allen West/TypePad disease so I added spaces.

[Ignatz]

OK, Mexico's and the Central American nations' acts may not rise to "acts of war" but they seem to be encouraging terrorism whether international or domestic;

18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions

As used in this chapter—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
(2) the term “national of the United States” has the meaning given such term in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act;
(3) the term “person” means any individual or entity capable of holding a legal or beneficial interest in property;
(4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of—
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Now, in Mexico's defense, Fast and Furious did seem to meet pretty much all three definitions so I have to give them a bit of a break.

[Beasts of England]

Good thing that those pesky codes don't apply to Teh Won, huh, Ig?

[Threadkiller]

I am still convinced that some Mexicans were involved in Fast and Furious thanks to this quote, prior to the divulgence of the program, from the President of Mexico.

Calderon:

"One more thing -- one more thing I forgot to mention. One other thing we can do is to track the weapons that we have in Mexico. If we manage to detect weapons sold illegally in the United States in violation of this law on the control of weapons exports, or if, in the United States, they can have -- probably move forward on a good registry of armament or on the prohibition of certain massive sales of weapons, for example, to a hunter or to a common citizen -- we know that these people do not usually buy hundreds of rifles or assault weapons or grenades -- if we can move forward in those areas, I do believe that security both of the United States and Mexico will improve because those weapons are pointing against Mexican people and Mexican officials today.

But crime is not only acting in Mexico. It is also acting in the United States. Organized crime is acting in both countries. And I do hope that those weapons that are sold today in the United States and are being used in Mexico, I hope the day will never come in which they will also be used against the North American society or against U.S. officials, just like they are now being used in Mexico."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/joint-press-conference-with-president-barack-obama-and-president-felipe-calderon-me

[MarkO]

DOOM™

[Danube on iPad]

"but some Mexicans are?"

I would place the drug cartels in that category, as I indicated. (They also appear to be at war with Mexico.)

[Danube on iPad]

The Dark Forces will stop at nothing:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/warm-water-sparks-flesh-eating-disease-warning-florida/story?id=24755485

Asymmetrical.

[Ignatz]

I wouldn't be surprised TK. Thanks for the link.