Ferguson - None So Deaf As Those Who Will Not Hear

Yesterday we finally picked up on the analysis of a video of the aftermath of the Ferguson shooting. With credit to the Conservative Treehouse for listening carefully, we gleaned that an apparent eyewitness, explaining the circumstances to a bystander, said that Michael Brown ran from the police truck and then doubled back.

Right wing media have been on this, but today the NY Times delivers a surprising non-surprise - in a report on the Michael Brown autopsy they include a link to the video in question but utterly overlook the key bit (from 6:30 forward). Here is the Times:

A 10-minute video posted on YouTube appeared to be taken on a cellphone by someone who identified himself as a neighbor. The video, which has collected more than 225,000 views, captures Mr. Brown’s body, the yellow police tape that marked off the crime scene and the residents standing behind it.

“They shot that boy ’cause they wanted to,” said one woman who can be heard on the video.

“They said he had his hands up and everything,” said the man taking the video, speaking to a neighbor.

Here is the key exchange as excerpted by the Conservative Treehouse:

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he coming back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him...

Let's cut to the Times coverage of the autopsy:

FERGUSON, Mo. — Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed on Sunday found.

One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access.

Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

That would be consistent with the statement above, that Michael Brown turned and charged.

Well, now that the Times has listened to the tape and deemed it a useful resource (by running other excerpts) I assume it is only a matter of time until they discover this evidence. It starts around the 6:30 mark with the "he double back/comin' back" just after 6:50. I'm sure they can take it from here!

Comments

[henry]

By "take it from there" you mean put it in a safe place like Lerner's emails.

[D 1]

With 100's of thugs looting, shooting and assaulting in Ferguson while police stand down, you now have a good example to use if any gun grabber asks you why your would ever need a 30 round mag (actually they would ask about a 30 round clip).

[Rick B]

Well, at least Democrat Governor Nixon is getting those horrible militarized police off the streets.

[Extraneus]

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

Or kneeling on the ground begging for mercy, only to be brutally executed by the white man and his power structure.

[Extraneus]

Speaking of "news" reporting, here a re-post from the end of the last thread:

Here's how a record-breaking, 1,000-pound-plus gator was pulled from Alabama River

It's interesting and a bit graphic, but a great illustration of what real reporting is, for those of us who had forgotten.

[Extraneus]

The gator was caught near Camden, Ala., by Mandy Stokes, at gator's head, along with her husband John Stokes, to her right, and her brother-in-law Kevin Jenkins, far left, and his two teenage children, Savannah Jenkins, 16, and Parker Jenkins, 14, all of Thomaston, Ala.

After an all-night fight that lasted until 5 in the morning.

[Beasts of England]

I am not a gator hunter...

[Threadkiller]

The DoJ's autopsy may be to determine if an Emmett Till open casket funeral is in order.

[Beasts of England]

In case you missed it, here's Benjamin Crump regarding Halo Brown's shooting: 'That baby was executed in broad daylight...and left in the road like an animal.'

[Jane]

I wish they would stop covering it.

[Miss Marple]

TK reminds me that there is still the funeral to come, which will be heavily attended and over the top and probably televised.

I wonder if they are leaning on that Hollywood coroner to say that there were bullet holes he missed. (I think they wouldn't hesitate one bit to pump some into the body if they thought they could get away with it - they being the DOJ.)

[Beasts of England]

Can we arrest all the idiots who knew for a fact that Halo was shot in the back? I enjoyed reading some pieces at Talk Left during the St. Skittles™ kerfuffle, but their commentariat has gone full retard on this case. And they've already been proven wrong about shots to the back...

[Buckeye]

Recently a JOMer made the comment that getting the black vote out was likely the only hope for Dems in this year's midterm elections.

Trayvon II gets thrown in their lap. And Holder will only be too happy to help.

[Threadkiller]

As long as Jindal can explain percentages to them, Buckeye, we have nothing to worry about.

[Ignatz]

--“It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”--

Or he could be falling, on his way, to the ground, as the cop keeps shooting.
Only on TV do they pop a shot and then stand there hoping the guy charging is incapacitated by it.

[Dave (in MA)]

Does the National Guard carry live ammo, or are they just issued "high magazine clips" full of earplugs with the "shoulder thing that goes up"?

[Beasts of England]

@Buckeye: I'd guess that reasonable people see this as another assault on decency from a lawless president and AG, and will not only vote against all this dem insanity, but they'll bring a friend to vote with them. Another huge backfire for President Feckless.

[Jane]

OT: This makes my heart sing:

New York Observer: Deadline: Judge Emmet Sullivan Lays Down the Law:

On behalf of the country, Judge Emmet Sullivan is pounding the IRS and appears as unsatisfied as most of America with the agency’s stalling, side-stepping, neglect, arrogance, and cavalier attitude toward its legally required record-retention responsibilities. Late yesterday afternoon, Judge Sullivan entered an order that demands answers to a lot more questions.

The IRS’s filing in Judge Sullivan’s court Monday evidenced no interest in finding the emails all of us know are out there somewhere. The fact that the IRS took thirty days to file its meager declarations, which actually said less than it had disclosed to Congress, is truly insulting. The agency better take Judge Sullivan seriously—and fast—or he’s the one who will be furious. Have IRS officials Kane and Koskinen still not reviewed what this fearless enforcer of the law did to the last Department of Justice prosecutors who played games with the truth in his courtroom? ...

The IRS is represented by Department of Justice attorneys. Do they not read the news, the latest books, or the law? This column has tried to warn them repeatedly that, like Toto, they’re not in Kansas any more. They are in the federal courtroom of a real Article III judge who has powers they should bloody well know not to ignore—the same kind wielded by Judge John Sirica, whose integrity and persistence in dealing with the Watergate case led to the resignation of Richard M. Nixon.

This is the same Emmet Sullivan who appointed a special prosecutor and initiated criminal contempt proceedings and a full investigation of the Department of Justice attorneys who played unethical and dishonest games in the prosecution of United States Senator Ted Stevens.

Someone in DOJ or the IRS better find those emails, fast, or this Judge will do it for them and they’ll just think they were caught up in a Category V tornado—or wish they had been and carried off to Oz instead. Judge Sullivan will keep on until he finds the man behind the curtain.

One of the things I can’t help but continue to wonder is, if the emails and all the information truly were not recoverable from the Lerner hard drive, why did the hard drive have to be “degaussed” and destroyed to “protect taxpayer privacy”? And why did someone testify to Congress that an IRS IT expert said it should be given to an outside vendor to retrieve the messages—and instead, the hard drive was degaussed and shredded?

With each turn, the IRS has raised more questions than it has answered. But this time it’s not the media and the citizens doing the asking. They’ve now got a week to answer to a judge

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2014/08/the-irs-scandal-4.html

[Jane]

~"high magazine clips" full of earplugs~

That should last forever.

[Miss Marple]

Jane, Truly it should last forever. It was SUCH a good example of how ignorant of real life reporters are, especially the juicebox variety.

[Cecil Turner]

Well, it's pretty darn obvious he didn't have his hands up when shot . . . though that meme will likely never die.

[Danube on iPad]

That off-camera eyewitness is not likely to be found. If found, he will not give that testimony.

[Dave (in MA)]

Cecil, that's not what St. Michael's family wants you to think: http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/08/18/autopsy-shows-michael-brown-was-repeatedly-shot-lawyer-says/QE3OZWHRuRuWzQSG8DRvfM/story.html

[Danube on iPad]

Jumpin' Jim Jeffords has assumed ambient temperature.

[Cecil Turner]

I may have to retract that last . . . the autopsy will certainly make it apparent whether his hands were up or down, but the diagram (as reported in the times) is not conclusive.

[cathyf]

Someone in DOJ or the IRS better find those emails, fast, or this Judge will do it for them and they’ll just think they were caught up in a Category V tornado—or wish they had been and carried off to Oz instead. Judge Sullivan will keep on until he finds the man behind the curtain.

Maybe. Looks to me like Judge Sullivan let Washington, DC, steal a Senate seat from Alaska with no serious consequences.

[No 'will of the people' here.]

Yes, cf, stolen, but with ballots, too.

[Cecil Turner]

Maybe. Looks to me like Judge Sullivan let Washington, DC, steal a Senate seat from Alaska with no serious consequences.

That's the way I see it, too. Made a lot of righteously indignant-sounding noises, but at the end of the day it all amounted to nothing much.

[Jane]

Sadly I think you may be right. Optimism is hard to come by.

[jimmyk on iPhone]

Another puzzling aspect of this case is that there's been no Taiwanese animated reenactment, at least not that I've been able to find.

[Buckeye]

BoE @ 11:25

I plan on encouraging as many of my like minded friends to vote as I can.

Not much on the ballot in Ahia this fall other than Governors race which is shaping up to be a landslide. The "edmund fitzgerald" has been running ads suggesting the state is near the end of the pack in job creation. LIV might buy it but most of the public sees it as an act of desperation.

Seems to be backfiring, but a lot can happen in 3 months. Appears to be significant outside money starting to pour in.

[Extraneus]

I am not a gator hunter...

Seems pretty exciting, though, and fun for the whole family!

[MarkO]

I own a pair of crocs.

[Extraneus]

The only Emmet Sullivan could atone for the Stevens case would be to appoint a special prosecutor chosen by the commenters at JOM.

[Beasts of England]

I've never had a mourning dove drag my boat around the swamp, Ext. ;)

[Dave (in MA)]

What MarkO may look like. #CanAnyoneConfirm

[clarice]

I can't fault Sullivan for being naive about the extent of the DoJ corruption in the Stevens case. To my mind it was unprecedented.

[Ignatz]

The one on the left or the right?

[Extraneus]

White House blindsided on National Guard callout?

Gee, what might have been the problem — that Obama has spent most of the last week golfing, or the Department of Justice second-guessing Missourians over the last few days?

This is good, though.

The NAACP wants an apology from the Ferguson police department to the Brown family, presumably for releasing the videotape of the strong-arm robbery that preceded the shooting.

On what possible basis would this justify an apology?

[Ignatz]

Some wise-arse will almost surely say I'm the one on the right.

[Ignatz]

How's about the Brown family apologize to the victims of their gentle giant of a son who almost certainly left many other victims in his wake?

[Beasts of England]

Family of Halo has tweeted that there can be no peace until the officer is arrested. I believe that's from Jaba the Crump's settlement playbook.

Don't worry too much about burning down the town, my 40% contingency is on the line!!

[Jeff Dobbs]

Dave:
"high magazine clips" full of earplugs

Anyone who says they need this many clips is just flat out up to no good.

[Jeff Dobbs]

Ig:
Some wise-arse will almost surely say I'm the one on the right.

Thanks for throwing in that "almost" Mr. Pop.

[Ignatz]

Wow.
I got about half way through Lew Alcindor's latest scribbling linked above and will quite probably never waste my time on his stuff again.
It is hard to recall a more shabbily sourced and reasoned piece than that scrawl.
A couple of previous pieces of his were pretty good. He was either stoned out of his gourd then or now. I'll let someone else figure out what his natural state is.

[Rick B]

Buckeye,

Any increase in black turnout will be much more than offset by a shift in the white female demographic away from the Race Fascists. Ole Merde Touch will assure that outcome.

[lyle]

I'm just glad the JOM cotton crop survived Dr. Weevil...

[Danube on iPad]

Drudge says the kid had weed in his system.

[Jim Eagle]

OT: Just for interest, here are the original locations of 15 famous food chains.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1z8ZHY/T8@[email protected]:eRMX8YcP/mentalfloss.com/article/54809/original-locations-15-famous-food-chains

Never knew that Dunkin Donuts originated in Mass. And Burger King in Jacksonville or Pizza Hut in Wichita:)

[Porchlight]

Recently a JOMer made the comment that getting the black vote out was likely the only hope for Dems in this year's midterm elections.

Trayvon II gets thrown in their lap. And Holder will only be too happy to help.

Yes, but Obama doesn't seem to be handling this the way the race hustlers would like. I guess Holder can be his proxy but that doesn't quite have the same oomph for the LIVs.

[Threadkiller]

Racist pig probably dipped his bullets in THC.

[cathyf]

LOL, TK

[lyle]

TK, FTW!

[clarice]

St L ME -Brown had marijuana in his system,and was shot from front.Michael Brown was shot in the head and chest multiple times, according to Mary Case, the St. Louis County medical examiner.

While Case declined to comment further, citing the ongoing investigation into Brown’s death, another person familiar with the county’s investigation told The Washington Post that Brown had between six and eight gunshot wounds and was shot from the front.

In addition, Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot and killed by a police officer on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, according to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

[Ignatz]

Pot in his system will be seen as proof the jolly Brown giant was murdered; after all choom makes you cool and laid back like our president.

[Stephanie accidentally OT?]

This is good:

http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Police_Brutality_Weapons.jpg

[Dave (in MA)]

had marijuana in his system

That's what the stolen cigars were for.

[Stephanie accidentally OT?]

And this:

http://youngcons.com/what-would-happen-if-al-sharpton-and-jesse-jackson-actually-wished-to-end-racial-strife/

[lyle]

A commenter at Reason:

I dunno, when I see someone on the news running out of an electronics store with a flat screen TV in his arms, my first thought is, "he must be fighting for social justice."

[Ignatz]

I fear Occifer Wilson is gong to be Stacey Kooned.

[clarice]

The reason commenter reflects my views and probably the majority view in this country--I expect a lot of middle class people are going to get off their couches and vote to get rid of the Dems.

I also think any effort to unfairly treat wilson is going to get major blowback from the cops in that city. He's well regarded, and they have access to info they'd surely leak if need be.

[DebinNC]

Either Dem Gov. Nixon is smoking something a lot stronger than weed, or he's certifiable.

[Stephanie accidentally OT?]

Dem = certifiable, yes?

[Captain Hate]

Pot in his system will be seen as proof the jolly Brown giant was murdered; after all choom makes you cool and laid back like our president.

Pretty high correlation between pot use and criminal activity (beyond the obvious one). It'll never shut up the pot-is-the-greatest-thing-evarrrrr bunch since they're all perpetually stoned.

[Rick B]

If they go after Wilson, the certain outcome will be a much greater reluctance by police to interfere with the operations of the local branch of the South Side Conflict Resolution and Waste Disposal Company.

The Chicago Model wins again - it's a buy signal for black funeral homes.

[lyle]

How many blacks were murdered on that same August Saturday in Chicago?

[lyle]

Has there ever been a more loathsome US AG in modern history?

[linusblanketeer]

Stephanie, you asked last night about dorm arrangements at Little League for the young ladies. They stay with a LL provided chaperone in a house in the complex.

http://www.silive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/08/little_league_world_series_201.html

Beasts of England, we've never chatted before but I ask that you lose the word retard. It's hurtful to many of us. Particularly when our family member can't ask for himself. thanks.

[DebinNC]

7 shot dead/29 wounded over the weekend in Chicago

[Threadkiller]

I had hoped to find a better version of this video. You will have to wade through the Aussie and the comedy banjo routine.

The cop ended up losing his gun to the perp. In the final moments the cop pulls his back-up piece and unloads.

How no bullet hit is beyond me, but the video gives you a good idea of Danube's point about shooting until empty and how quickly that goal is achieved.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7jdcm_cop-and-dog-wrestle-with-suspect_auto

The dog was a drug dog in case you are wondering why he didn't take the crook down.

[clarice]

Tox tests will take several weeks:http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ferguson-michael-brown-autopsy-20140818-story.html#page=1

[danoso]

Has there ever been a more loathsome US AG in modern history?

Ramsey Clark gets my vote, though more for what occurred after the idiot left public service.

[Ignatz]

Has anyone ever figured out how something like this gets traction and other worse, but similar, incidents don't?

Cops and civilians shoot unarmed black (and white) people not infrequently and usually there's not a peep out of anyone but sometimes it metastasizes instantly into riots and a national melodrama.
What makes the difference?

[Porchlight]

JE Dyer has the best reporting on the Perry indictment that I've seen thus far:

http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/08/17/soros-attack-squad-versus-rick-perry-ham-sandwich/

All the MSM should read it, but that will never happen.

[daddy]

I am confused. I went to bed having just seen the NYTimes story on the autopsy, showing the Gentle Giant had been shot 6 times, not in the back as suspect number 2 stated, so that part of the narrative was resolved.

Then the first story I click on this morning is this one linked under Drudge's main Headline: Attorney: Autopsy finds enough to charge cop
Independent autopsy reveals Brown was shot at least 6 times

In paragraph 4 we get this: ...forensics consultant Shawn Parcells, who assisted Baden, said the findings are consistent with witness reports that Brown may have been shot as he walked away and that he was shot again with his hands up.

How so?

I'm not a big time forensic expert, but how do you get shot in the front if your'e walking away from the guy doing the shooting?

And how do you get shot in your arms that are held up over your head if the bullets entered the front of your arms, not the underside?

I suppose I will find out on catch-up, but currently I am confused.

[Thomas Collins]

If Crump goes full Trayvon, I would think the anti-race baiting increase in turnout would exceed the Gentle Giant increase in turnout. But Crump doesn't care about turnout in the 2014 elections. The family hired Crump to extract a settlement from Ferguson. Crump proved in the Trayvon matter that he is expert at extracting a settlement (I believe from the homeowners' association). Look for this to get ugly until the Gentle Giant's family gets the money.

[lyle]

Ramsey Clark. How did I forget him? Still not as loathsome as Stedman.

[lyle]

Look for this to get ugly until the Gentle Giant's family gets the money.

Bingo. It's all about the Benjamins. Period.

[Threadkiller]

Dr. Baden said he had waived his usual $10,000 fee for the autopsy, adding, “Many black men die of accident or homicide in this country, and the President of the United States has yet to get involved.”

http://www.newsweek.com/what-we-learned-michael-browns-autopsy-265247

[Ignatz]

--Beasts of England, we've never chatted before but I ask that you lose the word retard.--

I've been hesitant about using that word myself sometimes but I'm not sure where you can draw a line.
Is "idiotic" out? Moron, imbecile, stupid, dummy? How does one indicate a person is acting as though they are profoundly mentally challenged, usually more so than they actually are, without using potentially offensive words?

[Thomas Collins]

Daddy, I'm not a forensics expert, but I think there was a head wound that could have been caused by a shot while the Gentle Giant was attempting to defuse the situation by walking away. In any event, I think the new narrative for Team Crump will focus on GG trying to surrender while the racist cop kept filling him with those earplugs.

[Thomas Collins]

The surrender meme accommodates the accumulating evidence that GG turned around at some point (probably to invite the cop to a healing session at church).

[narciso]

Rush points out Mark Lamont inadvertently let the 'cat out of the bag' that the rioters are coming from Oakland, which one recalls is
where Van Jones, is from.

I thought pot was supposed to make you all mellow, hungry but mellow

[Cecil Turner]

I've been hesitant about using that word myself sometimes but I'm not sure where you can draw a line.

In any event, it's a fairly famous movie quote . . . which is generally considered fair game.

[Thomas Collins]

This is the Bonfire of the Vanities Cubed.

[Cecil Turner]

That would be consistent with the statement above, that Michael Brown turned and charged.

And inconsistent with most other interpretations, barring some inventive theories (e.g., "running backwards" from Baden's assistant, IIRC). Occam's razor suggests . . .

[lyle]

Yes, it is, TC. With POTUS and his AG as chief pyrotechnics officers. Just think about that.

[Porchlight]

I was wondering about that this morning, Iggy. Why this shooting and not others?

[Jane]

"What MarkO may look like. #CanAnyoneConfirm"

MarkO is a stud!

[daddy]

Reading comments at the NYTimes which is always guaranteed to make me dumber and angrier.

So if the cop is crazy and rogue and a trigger happy racist who wanted to shoot black guys, why not shoot the second black guy also? Why just swiss cheese the Gentle Giant but not the Gentle non-Giant?

Plus that'd have gotten rid of a witness.

[Stephanie so OT Im on fire]

Thanks for the info and link, Linus.

[lyle]

What makes the difference?

An overabundance of electronics stores?

[Dave (in MA)]

Well,

Nobody's going to be violating the Fergie-MO curfew tonight.

[Captain Hate]

I probably use the word "retard" more than Beasts does and mean nothing derogatory toward anybody other than at whom it is specifically directed. Per Iggy, is there something particularly wrong with using that versus other terms of slow-wittedness?

[DebinNC]

The autopsy did not reveal signs of a struggle

The store video showed MB forcefully backhanding and manhandling the little store clerk 10 min. before he died, and the autopsy missed that too.

[henry]

This shooting was "suburban" while the rack 'em ups are in urban blue hells. Milwaukee has an officer shoot a "teen" every couple of months (Chicago probably has more). The last was a couple weeks ago right next to city hall, a youth with mental health issues was shot and killed by city police. In Milwaukee that gets drowned out within hours by other "teens" killing children during gunfights in playgrounds.

Note, Trayvon was also in a "suburban" area.

[Ignatz]

Regardless of Rick Perry or Lehmberg or Ronnie Earle it seems kind of crazy to me that Texas would have a statewide public integrity unit run out of a local DA's office.
That should have been changed long ago to a more independent, stand-alone organization regardless of who they were going after.

[Stephanie so OT Im on fire]

Bet they do, Dave. Common sense is not in abundance in that group. Although, most of the caRp that went down last night was 9 - midnight and pre curfew anyways. I'd bet on some strike and run activity and some activity moving to other areas.

[DebinNC]

What do y'all make of Gov. Nixon sending the msg about the MO National Guard taking command of Ferguson in the middle of the night as his handpicked AA Capt. Hug-a-Thug was ending his nightly update ... with BOzo/WH this morning claiming they didn't know about Nixon's NG decision until they read it in this morning's paper?

[Threadkiller]

CNN has some new sources. They are speculating that Brown went for the gun.