Gun Madness, Jersey Boys Version

Radley Balko has more on the absurd case of Shaneen Allen, a Pennsylvania mom facing three years in a Jersey jail for bringing her Pennsylvania-legal handgun into the Garden State.

But just to elevate the old blood pressure let's hear from Bryan Miller of Heeding God's Call, who apparently thinks that God wants this 27 year old mother of two in prison:

Recent reporting in the Courier-Post and elsewhere has made much of the plight of a South Philadelphia woman, Shaneen Allen, reportedly charged in New Jersey with transporting and concealing a handgun loaded with armor-piercing bullets — three transgressions of long-standing state law.

Heeding God’s Call, the faith-based and grass-roots movement to prevent gun violence headquartered in Philadelphia and operating in New Jersey and other states, applauds the fact of the coverage, if not all of its tone.

The good news is that, by working to promote attention to this case, pro-gun zealots, such as Allen’s lawyer, have inadvertently done an important public education service, as the case’s notoriety may make it less likely Pennsylvanians holding permits to carry concealed and loaded handguns in public will bring them across Delaware River bridges, thereby making themselves and New Jersey safer from gun violence.

Yeah, it's those rampaging moms I worry about when I hit the mean streets of Jersey. And far be it from me to suggest that this guy has no idea what he is talking about, but... every other report I have seen (e.g., here) describes her bullets as "hollow point". Although I would consider myself a very casual observer of the gun scene, (as family members will attest, and they know who they are), I am highly confident that "armor piercing" is essentially the opposite of "hollow point".

Maybe the next time Bryan hears from God he can clear that up.

Comments

[glasater]

Interesting events over in the Ukraine people.

[Exasperated]

Unless that brainless twit wants to kill cops, she doesn't have any legitimate reason to use armor piercing ammunition in a pistol. Hollow points in a pistol are practical only at close range. The higher costs of both of which exceed theit values.

[Man Tran on iPhone]

Tonto,

Re Monterey: my two (non-JOM) buds made it down there in the new Vette, but sadly we have a nick in a compressor blade that, for us, will be like bidding on one of the Ferreries. Ouch. And it's all invisible.

[Jeff Dobbs]

TM:
But just to elevate the old blood pressure

I think you're trying to tell us that you are not in favor of a salt weapon ban.

[jimmyk]

Is it legal to bring fries cooked with transfats into NYC? I think the supersize sugary drinks are ok since that ban was thrown out in court.

[rich@gmu]

35 million for a compressor blade Man Tran.

YIKES!!!

[Ignatz]

"Armor piercing" undoubtedly merely means full metal jacket.
I didn't see what type of handgun she had but it is very common and in my opinion advisable to use full metal jacket rounds in semi autos because they are less prone to jam.
I use full metal jacket exclusively in my 45s.
And of course many criminals are in possession of body armor and round nosed FMJ pistol ammo is not particularly armor piercing in any event, so the idea that these are "cop killer bullets" is, how should I put it, retarded and ignorant.
I do use hollow points in my 9MMKurtz because it is a relatively weaker round.

Moreover for the effective range of self defense handguns, hollow points are perfectly satisfactory and if they disable an attacker who otherwise might kill or maim you their cost is quite cheap. Hollow points are fine in a revolver.

[Jim Eagle]

Regarding guns (and for that matter God), can Lyle or Eric or publicus tell me if this a real sign as you enter Idaho or a damn good photoshop?

[Dave (in MA)]

You may not like salt.
That is your right.

But if you're eating an Idaho potato with no salt (and butter) on it,
you're doing it wrong.

Damn, I'm on the wrong thread.

[Jim Eagle]

Its hard to read but says:

You May Not Like Guns.
That is You Right
You May Not Believe in God.
That is Your Choice.

But if Someone Breaks Into Your Home, The First Two Things You Are Going to Do Are...
Call Someone with A Gun and Pray They Get There on Time.

Gov. Nick Waite

[Eric in Boise]

Idaho's Governor is Butch Otter.

(Sniff, sniff)

Nope. Doesn't pass.

[jimmyk]

Was going to say, not much point in having a road sign that is impossible to read without stopping your car and getting out, so not bloody likely.

[Threadkiller]

First they placed blame on the typos, I said nothing because I knew where to hear the truth.

Then they placed blame on the speakos, I said nothing because I knew where to see the truth.

Now they place blame on the photos-os...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/14/Photographer-Deletes-Obama-Dancing-Photo

[jimmyk]

Seems that deleting e-mails is SOP in the Obama administration.

As Obamacare Website Failed, CMS Chief Instructed Top Spox to “Please delete this email…” Between White House and HHS

[Man Tran on iPhone]

Rich,

That was in proportional dollars. :)

Looks like I'll have to keep my 34 yr old autobahn runner a few more years.

[lyle]

P-shopped sign. There's LOTS o' guns in the Gem state but we're pretty reserved about them in public.

[Threadkiller]

BUNDY!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/14/Document-Homeland-Security-Predicts-Rise-of-Anti-Government-Violence

[centralcal]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Retweeted by Bret Baier
Washington DC News ‏@washdcnews 4m

Al Gore sues Al Jazeera for fraud http://dlvr.it/6cxYp3

[Rick B]

Governor Blimp could stop the silliness with a full pardon this afternoon. He won't though - he's big but it's just gas and there's no chance of a Stan and Ollie shot involved.

[Jane]

Boy ya gotta love that Capn' Johnson.

[Exasperated]

I see that that 6'6" 300 lb. black punk that they're making a big fuss about out in Fergusen, Mo. was captured on tape robbing that convenience store, and he was shot while fighting two cops and violently resisting arrest in the back seat of their patrol car.

Laws don't apply to him or Obama or other blacks, don't you know? They're always the victims.

[henry]

Ig, my understanding was hollow points for urban environments to reduce ricochets. Or do FMJ with fragmenting bullets do that?

[Sue]

When I took chl class, one of the first things we were told is ignorance of the law is not a defense. Before you cross state lines with your gun, make sure that state recognizes Texas' chl and allows you to carry. While I thinks he young woman should receive a lenient punishment, she did break the law. My 2 cents.

[MarkO]

There is a picture of the suspect shot dead in the street. How did he get there from the police car? What did he do in the street to warrant being shot?

[Extraneus]

When the CMS director asked the WH & HHS to delete email, she meant to first Delete it, then go into the Deleted Items folder and permanently delete it from there.

Why is this even allowed in the taxpayers' email systems?

I predict that this will no longer be an option on gov't email systems if a Republican administration is sworn in after 2016, and that new procedures will be in place for permanent backups.

[Exasperated]

For that to be true, Jane, I would have to know what you're talking about.

[Dave (in MA)]

I guess Jane was talking about the Highway Patrol who was put in charge of the Ferguson police for the time being.

[Dave (in MA)]

Highway Patrol captain

[Threadkiller]

Could this be what Barry will be talking about on his return visit?

On Monday, Obama’s Department of Education sent a fact sheet to states and schools highlighting the children’s right to attend public school.

It says all children in the United States “are entitled to equal access to a public elementary and secondary education, regardless of their or their parents’ actual or perceived national origin, citizenship, or immigration status.”

http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/some-speak-mayan-illegal-kids-swamp-public-schools/#DLH2a1m7tCD5gyMR.99

The story highlights the destruction of Atlanta, FWIW.

[Beasts of England]

Wait, what? Is that sign for real, JiB?

[Beasts of England]

Good points, Exasperated. We can't have them niggers gettin' all uppity and shit...

[henry]

A Ukraine link. As glasater pointed out interesting things going on there-- Ukraine army knocked out a column of Russian armor (APCs) after it crossed the border. Other reports suggest many of the relief trucks were empty. Bloody nose for Vlad.

[Beasts of England]

And, Shark Week!

[lyle]

No, it's not, Beasts.

[Beasts of England]

It's not Shark Week? Crap...

[Strawman Cometh]

from Narc's McDaniel link 2 threads previous:
"McDaniel has criticized Cochran for reaching out to black voters who traditionally support Democrats."
Yeah, that's what he was doing. And this is a Fox story.

[Stephanie]

It is shark week, the sign isn't real. Variations are all over on FB for just about every town city and state that is relatively conservative.

You got your SEC tv figured out yet? I've watched four games so far and I think Alabama was in all but one.

[lyle]

Sorry, BoE!

[narciso]

You look to the end, it's AP

http://www.ibtimes.com/mike-brown-videotaped-possible-quiktrip-store-robbery-ahead-ferguson-shooting-1659782

so we're going to need as with Twin Falls

[Porchlight]

There is a picture of the suspect shot dead in the street. How did he get there from the police car? What did he do in the street to warrant being shot?

Well, if the allegations are true, he assaulted the officer in the car and tried to get his gun. Then got out and tried to run away. That typically gets you shot under the laws of many if not most states.

Hannity had Brown's family's lawyer on yesterday. I think it's the same guy who represented Trayvon's folks. He was asked if the picture changes if it was true (as was rumored even before today's news) that there was a struggle for the gun in the car. He said yes, it did.

And he was pretty nice and agreed with a lot of Hannity's points. Not argumentative at all.

And Obama was so sullen in his press conference about it. Not all on fire like the left wanted him to be.

It's....almost like they knew ahead of time that the facts, once released, were not going to support the narrative.

[centralcal]

henry: saw some pics on Twitter of those empty relief trucks. Sheesh.

Also, apparently Obama deigned to go on a bike ride with his wife and daughter or about 10 minutes or so, before heading back to the golf course.

Isn't his golfing becoming excessive and obsessive?

[Captain Hate]

"McDaniel has criticized Cochran for reaching out to black voters who traditionally support Democrats."
Yeah, that's what he was doing. And this is a Fox story.

Fox and the GOPe are very similar including Rove's perpetual presence.

[GMax]

For the Georgians, Insider Advantage has a poll out this AM. Even with Libertarians trying their best to elect Democrats, its not gonna happen. Don't you love another Carter coming in below 40%! Here:

US SENATE – GEORGIA (IA)
David Perdue (R) 47%
Michelle Nunn (D) 40%
Amanda Swafford (L) 8%

GOVERNOR – GEORGIA (IA)
Nathan Deal (R-inc) 43%
Jason Carter (D) 39%
Andrew Hunt (L) 7%

[Jim Eagle]

Mark O'Mara: Don't Rush To Prosecute. Words from the Wise.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/08/15/dont-rush-to-prosecute-ferguson-cop-darren-wilson-george-zimmerman-lawyer-says

[NKinLimbo]

The SHTF when local districts find out they have dozens of new 'special ed' students at $20,000+ a pop speaking mayan dialects and maybe some broken spanish, and they explain to parents that Federal law requires they be enrolled.

[Rick B]

This will please Daddy. Begich is polling around 45 and I'm sure he was praying for Miller to stick around so Begich could sneak over the finish line again.

Alaska now becomes a probable pick up for the Senate.

[GMax]

The SHTF when the administrators tells the parents that the football program may have to be cut back, to pay for illegal immigrants that pay no property taxes and must be paid for by allocation from other budget items...

[Beasts of England]

lol, lyle! Fake sign, real sharks! I'd prefer the opposite.

[Jim Eagle]

I found this amusing and prophetic. Coming soon to an Interstate near you?

Hitchhiking Robot Travels Across Canada

[Threadkiller]

The SHTF when one of my loon links gets read by so many.

[lyle]

I sure hope so, RB. Begich makes my skin crawl.

[Beasts of England]

They're going to send someone out to check it, Steph. On Monday! Ugh. But, I'm sure the titty bar I'm headed to in a minute has it dialed in...

[rse]

The first of those federal letters I saw was dated back in May.

Officials in multiple states had forwarded it. Given the language in the complaint filed in California where the feds intervened this summer on behalf of ELL, this gets back to my point that these interlopers from central america may not have legal citizenship but they are to have special economic privileges from the get-go. Plus the feds do not want anyone to be able to effectively challenge those who do vote.

[NKinLimbo]

Yep-- the special ed needs of the gorditos will bust the budgets and something will have to give. Can't wait for the first Blue Hell School board that propses a temp tax increase to pay for the gordito-Ed.

[Beasts of England]

Hey Porch! It's really easy: if Sharpton is behind a cause, be immediately against it - you'll be batting 1.000! :)

[Porchlight]

You bet, Beasts.

I bet that Sharpton rally gets canceled. And the dial-down on Ferguson coverage will be interesting to watch, too.

But none of that will help Officer Wilson get his reputation back - or his and his family's safety and normal life back.

[Porchlight]

Can't wait for the first Blue Hell School board that propses a temp tax increase to pay for the gordito-Ed.

But they won't be honest about it, of course. They'll say it's for something else.

Looks like my town's city council is voting to be first in line to host some of the newly-arrived future Americans.

[Strawman Cometh]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nc-senate-poll-tillis-45-hagan-40_802962.html

Republican challenger Thom Tillis has pushed slightly further ahead of Democratic incumbent Kay Hagan in North Carolina’s U.S. Senate race.

The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely North Carolina Voters shows Tillis earning 45% support to Hagan’s 40%. Six percent (6%) prefer another candidate in the race, and nine percent (9%) are undecided.

[Rick B]

NK,

It's more likely BOzo will call for an emergency supplemental for the Department of Education (call it the Dreaming Gordito Act). He isn't disclosing where the gorditos are being shipped so he can use the money as needed for the Dem GOTV effort in November. If the nasty GOP House won't fund Dreaming Gorditos, he'll use the refusal to whip Hispanics. He will also use the "emergency" as justification for illegally diverting DoE money to hire Hispanics as "helpers". They will 'help' by being given precinct lists and whips.

[Porchlight]

After 2008 and 2012, I need GOP candidates to have a ten point average lead in at least eight of the pickup races to be able to relax in any way about November.

[FTL]

henry,

Hollow point bullets are used in handguns to increase handguns' stopping power. The hollow point bullet is designed to mushroom on impact thereby increasing the size of the wound channel in the target and dumping more (if not all) of the bullet's energy into the target than would be dumped if the bullet simply passed through the target.

There is an enormous can of worms containing months or years of discussion on several tangents about hollow points, but I stick by my limited description

As for the fragmenting bullets you mentioned, those were designed and marketed as "safer" with respect to over penetration and ricochets:

http://www.corbon.com/safety-slug/general/glaser-safety-slug

[James D.]

One thing to consider with the whole Ferguson thing is that, although there are a lot of facts we don't know (or, at least, that haven't been reported), and a lot of blame cast when it shouldn't have been, and the officer's reputation is probably forever tarnished...

I'd say that, aside from racial tensions and the MSM's always-irresponsible behavior, government and law enforcement at every level, Federal, state and local, have done SO much over time to squander public goodwill and destroy trust in them, that it's not unreasonable for the public to prematurely blame the police and not wait for the facts.

The disregard in which lawmakers hold the citizenry is displayed pretty much every day. Laws are passed that don't make sense, and which are applied unevenly, and which NEVER seem to apply to those in power. Police overstep the bounds of law and Constitution.

Is it any wonder that people don't trust any of them, even when the facts ARE on their side?

[Strawman Cometh]

I meant to add that Hagan Reid has spent a done in NC. If you have an NC IP address, Hagans mug is on every web page (I always click in the hope that it costs more) and all over TV and radio. Most recently, she touts that she was recently named "the most moderate Senator", seriously. Her latest slogan is that she's "Not too far left, not too far right, just like North Carolina!". Tillis has run a few adds pointing out that she votes 98% of the time with Obama and Reid.

[Stephanie]

Felony. If for nothing else the white socks and flip flops.

[Jim Eagle]

Already blowback from the kids family and Ben Crump. Not buying the Chief's story: "not falling for the banana in the tailpipe". Whatever the hell that means.

IOW, we have another Ziimerman/Martin story on our hands and I see multiple if not dozens of future threads on the subject. So break out you inner Perry Mason and take down your CSI kit off the shelf and get ready to play: Rush to Judgement!

[NKinLimbo]

RickB-- that's the plan. Personally, I look forward to it. I think the gordito invasion is a loser for 2014 Dem candidates (i.e. white guys and gals). For Obummer this is all about OFA $$ and votes in.... 2028.

[NKinLimbo]

JiB-- 'Bananas in the tailpipe' is a Beverly Hills Cop movie reference.

[James D.]

Here's one for the "break out the popcorn and watch the fight" files:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/al-gore-sues-al-jazeera-725762

Current TV co-founders Al Gore and Joel Hyatt have launched a fraud and breach-of-contract lawsuit claiming that Al Jazeera is withholding money from its $500 million purchase of the cable news network.

[Porchlight]

I'd say that, aside from racial tensions and the MSM's always-irresponsible behavior, government and law enforcement at every level, Federal, state and local, have done SO much over time to squander public goodwill and destroy trust in them, that it's not unreasonable for the public to prematurely blame the police and not wait for the facts.

I don't think it's fair to conflate the actions of local law enforcement with the actions of local, state and Federal government.

How a smallish community handled the atypical escalation of riots, looting and national media attention (not to mention the specter of US DOJ attention) is a completely separate issue from the facts of the case that sparked the outrage.

It is ALWAYS prudent to wait until the facts of the case come out. ALWAYS. Duke, Trayvon, the list goes on and on. We should know better.

[Beasts of England]

Two more years of mush-mouth Crump? He was born on full retard.

[FTL]

"not falling for the banana in the tailpipe". Whatever the hell that means.

I'm betting it was a reference to Beverly Hills Cop

Instant imagery: Bumbling white cops in super rich Beverly Hills who need to be dragged off their donut-eating backsides to do their jobs by a hip, visiting police officer from Detroit who happens to be black

[NKinLimbo]

Gore v Al Jazeera.. can't wait for discovery in that case. WTI/Brent crude prices are dropping, and Hamas will come looking for $$$ to replinish their rocket cache, so the Qataris are watching the $$$$ these days I guess.

[narciso]

What are you going to believe:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-fergsuon-shooting-police-name-20140815-story.html

[Porchlight]

Also forgot to mention, the witness reports of Brown having his hands up came from Dorian Johnson, the alleged co-perp in the alleged store robbery.

That won't change the minds of the people who have already decided that Brown was murdered in cold blood for jaywalking while black.

[narciso]

Like the ones in the link above,

[Sue]

On a lighter note, my youngest daughter taught Alexi Ogando the Texas two-step last night. A picture of them are on her FB page. Now if she could just teach him to throw a strike again. ::grin::

[NKinLimbo]

'bananas in the tailpipe' was actually spoken by the very cleancut AA Beverly Hills detective. Yes, the movie mocks the clean cut AA detective for speaking 'too white'. That was back in '84; the bad stuff never changes.

[jimmyk]

Read on MSNBC (yes, I know) that Darren Wilson is white.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ferguson-police-name-michael-brown

[narciso]

Congrats, Sue,

Lowery, and Reilly, are about as useful as Al Jazeera in Cairo

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/heres-the-surveillance-video-allegedly-showing-michael-browns-robbery/

[Sue]

I think his name is Ogondo. A Dominican Republic starting, reliever pitcher for the Texas Rangers.

[Porchlight]

Read on MSNBC (yes, I know) that Darren Wilson is white.

I think so, jimmyk. The other Officer Darren Wilson, who is black, is with the St. Louis PD.

[Sue]

I hope they are protecting the officer with the same name who works for the St. Louis PD. his picture has been on social media as the Wilson who shot the gentle giant.

[Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/15/Video-of-Alleged-Robbery-At-Convenience-Store-Released?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=breitbarttv

my 1:55 link is when he steals the merchandise, this link is the video of him leaving the store.

[Porchlight]

Sue, he made a public statement which will hopefully be enough, but yes, I hope both officers are receiving protection.

The "real" Officer Wilson is reported to have left his home several days ago. Wonder if he'll ever be able to go back.

[henry]

FTL, thanks. I have friends at an ammo manufacturer, a couple beers will get the months worth of discussion from them.

[Old Lurker]

Saw a blond babe anchoring the breaking news on Fox and she too used the phrase "When he was murdered by the police..."

Man.

[Stephanie tortoise not the hare]

LLLWS has started. Two chicks playing this year including a starting pitcher for Philadelphia and a player from Canada who supposedly hits homers.

The team from SHITCAGO is all black and espn has just about made their games unwatchable with all their fawning coverage of their "historic" appearance.

This concludes your Friday thirty second sports update.

[Old Lurker]

Here's the LUN to my Fox thing. "Murder" is in the first 20 sec or so.

[Jim Eagle]

OL,

Played that comp round yet?

[Sue]

The gentle giant's family is outraged that the PD is smearing their son. Never mind they've spent days smearing an officer that was attempting to arrest their son as someone who just decided to pick on their son. You know they knew the whole story.

[Porchlight]

OL,

That is disgraceful. Shocking even.

[Old Lurker]

JiB, Sunday a week. Stay tuned for a report.

[Beasts of England]

But he was a sweet boy, Sue. Lots of future astronauts and aviation mechanics getting 'murdered' by cops. And Tony Stewart...

[Sue]

I know. He was going to college. He just needed those Swisher Sweets.

[NKinLimbo]

some gratuitous Belgium news: http://news.msn.com/world/brussels-blooms-with-begonia-flower-carpet-1

[Ignatz]

Let me get this straight, all black teams in the 30s is a sign of historic racism. All black teams now is a sign of historic what? Racial harmony?
Would an all white team now also be a sign of historic racial harmony?
Who would even notice this sh*t if the modern day Jim Crows didn't point it out?

[narciso]

Frum, removes all doubt, because it's a thing,

[Rick B]

The rest of the story will come out with the postmortem tox screen. I suspect Angel Michael was fueled with crack or meth and it may have affected his judgement just a tad.

[NKinLimbo]

Ignatz-- the ChiTown LL team is a big deal because it is a rare big city team, and almost unprecedented a big city team made up entirely of kids from black neighbs. These particular kids come from a league heavily subsidized by NY Met Curtis Granderson, who is a super guy. Personally I hope they win the thing, and more importantly, behave well, win or lose. MLB/ESPN are desperate to get AA kids back into baseball after they began dropping out starting 30 years ago. Baseball needs them... and that's a good thing IMO.